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    Some thoughts - hopefully helpful despite their absurd complexity.
    Distinction:
    C&F False disqualification.
    ACTUAL false disqualification.
    The C&F False disqualification is like busting her on her mannerisms. "I'm
    gay. This is my boyfriend. You can't to us, we're gay."
    Or she's giggling, and you say "Go away! Go away!", while doing the pushaway
    move that I described in the Tonguedown notes.
    Or saying "I would definitely NOT get along with this chick!" while the friends
    are laughing.
    Again, this is all C&F type stuff.
    It AMPLIFIES attraction at key points, because it pre-emptively disarms the
    natural cutoff mechanism that girls have when they feel themselves heating up
    to an uncomfortable buying temperature too quickly, before proceeding to game
    more.
    ---
    OK so what's REAL false disqualification, and what is its purpose?
    There exists many social SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey social value.
    -breaking rapport
    -neutral to rapport
    -trying to gain rapport
    This goes on in social interactions all day long. Notice that the "coolest"
    people in the club venue are trying to break rapport with everyone. (They even
    wear sunglasses in a dark club, to convey that they are too cool and don't want
    to make eye contact with anyone).
    They roll in with their Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in tow, and don't talk to
    anyone in the whole club except maybe the people similar to them. YET, if they
    were to approach YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club, you'd chat THEM, despite that
    they'd blow you off.
    You'd chat them because they have high social value in that specific venue.
    People are DRAWN to interact with people of value, even if they're not
    attracted. If Bill Gates wanted to chat, would I? Yes. Even if it was about
    nothing that helped me whatsoever, I'd just do it for some reason.
    What Style is talking about here (which is a related to stuff I've discussed
    extensively on the Mystery Lounge), is that value re-adjustments may be
    necessary PRIOR to gaming.
    Gaming = emotionally arousing (pumping her through states in a way that keeps
    her happy, aka C&F, and many other ways)
    A girl can still CUT OFF who she allows to emotionally arouse her.
    VALUE / ATTRACTION are DISTINCT.
    Value is a FILTER to see if the girl will ALLOW you to attract her.
    Think to the REVERSE.
    Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY (they purchase romance novels that are
    descriptive).
    Guys are aroused mostly VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they purchase porno and
    lapances).
    A fat girl approaches me, and starts touching me. She is arousing me because
    she is touching my legs with her hands. She is breathing on me. I'm feeling
    myself getting hard.
    Immediately I push her away from me, and CUT OFF what she is doing. Do I do
    this because I am INCAPABLE of deriving some pleasure from fucking her?
    No.
    Men fucked fat chicks for years, back when they were socially desirable (IOW:
    HAD VALUE). There's no biological reason for me not fucking her. It's just
    social.
    Similarly, girls emotionally cut off men from gaming them. They won't even
    acknowledge that you exist, or if they do, what you're saying is just cute or
    entertaining.
    Again, they are of high social value, and thus exhibit this by breaking rapport
    with people (both through verbal communications "why are you asking me this..
    go away", and non-verbal subcommunications like turning away from you, not
    matching your facial expressions or excitement levels, not being responsive to
    your presence, etc)
    Value is established by:
    -OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics, grooming, and clothing subcommunications)
    -SOCIAL PROOF (both your entourage, the level to which the surrounding women
    are appearing to be unlocked to you (which is made obvious by things they
    subcommunicate as you are in the area, and girls pickup on this), and the level
    to which people treat you (ie: are they breaking rapport with you, being
    neutral to it, or trying to gain it)
    -ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and tonalities that you convey, by the words that you
    say and the way that you say it, and by the people who you interact with in a
    particular order and the way you interact with them)
    So with girls, you can open with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER, and this is NOT
    ENOUGH.
    Hence Style's "Neg First" post.
    This was derived from "JAP Busting I & II"
    You must break rapport, perhaps several times, prior to gaming. Girls will not
    ALLOW themselves to become emotionally heated (aka; for their buying
    temperature to increase) for someone who does not pass through their filter of
    VALUE.
    So what does that amount to in practical terms? Here's an example:
    TD: Hey guys, I need a female opinion.. Do girls think that the rockstar David
    Bowie is hot?
    HBS: I dunno..
    TD: Hey, you're cool.. You guys are smart.. You're from Long Island, I can
    tell..
    HBS: Hey, we're not from there..
    TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns back)
    HBS: WTF?
    TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm.. My friends little sister gets this poster of David
    Bowie on her wall. That is an OLD MAN.. Do you guys like OLD MEN?!?!
    HBS: Why are you asking us this?
    TD: (looks at wingman like they are RETARDED and mumbles).... I'm talking.
    (turns back HARD, engages other set)
    HBS: What a jerk blah blah..
    TD: (turns around) hahhhaa, are you guys still talking about me?? haahhaa.
    (turns back)
    HBS: No, we're just saying blah blah
    TD: (now commencing NORMAL game) You guys are so cute.. You know, I'm going
    to adopt you guys, you guys will be my new little sisters..
    This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT. Neg first. (I'd also game a high value set
    differently, but that's another story.. I'd use the same stuff, but at a
    different rate, direct it at different people, and also alot less of it)
    You do the SAME with UG THEORY. Try to gain rapport with them first.
    Value calibrations imply rapidly ascertaining what their perceived social value
    is, and matching it.
    Girls are typically only inclined to allow themselves to be gamed with someone
    of simliar value.
    There are exceptions however.
    TRUST
    ATTRACTION
    VALUE
    These three things are SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times.
    Some girls want guys with high value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like this,
    ChickJunkie's 10$ Opener is good for girls like this, although an NYC JAP would
    probably pull out her attack whistle if you tried it on them)
    Some girls value TRUST, which is subcommunicated through many things. Like
    when you see guys who are out with their girlfriends, and NEVER turn to face
    them. The girls always have to do the initiating. Some guys telegraph this,
    and it telegraphs trust. This is why simlar to girls who just want high value
    guys (like NYC Jewish American Princesses), some girls want to fuck gay guys
    and convert them. Queers subcommunicate feelings of trust so strong that some
    girls fall in love with them instantly. Weird - ask 10 girls and 2 or 3 will
    answer you this.
    Some girls value ATTRACTION. These girls want the construction worker or
    badboy or the prejudicial racist stereotype of black guys.
    There are also piles of PROFILES for this that you can spot, and piles of
    subcommunications that you can learn (think "AMOG TACTICS" post - what do the
    out-alpha tactics subcommunicate, beyond their surface verbal level?)

  • #2
    AN EXAMPLE OF VALUE:
    Sickboy007 and I want entrance into an exclusive club. We ont only want
    entrance, but we want if free and we want to be bumped to the front of the
    line.
    We do this all the time - I sit back and pretend to be a celeb. I say
    nothing, acknowledge nobody, and act aloof. Sickboy007 is my manager.
    Sickboy007: Hey, we're heading up to VIP.
    BOUNCER: Are you on the guest list?
    Sickboy007: You guys treat us really good here. Actually, we're going to need
    to bring in our friends tommorow, and we need it Saturday as well.
    BOUNCER: Are you guys celebrities? Who are you guys?
    Sickboy007: (pauses)
    BOUNCER: Hello?
    Sickboy007: Yeah, umm we'll definetely need that Saturday. I like you guys,
    you guys treat us good.
    BOUNCER: OK bring in you and your friend. Talk to the manager about Saturday
    and Sunday, I don't do that stuff.
    TD & Sickboy007 skip the line, free cover, admitted to VIP.
    Look at the subcommunications. He didn't answer the bouncer's quesitons
    directly. He barely looked the guy in the eyes. He didn't shift his body
    towards him. He didn't show any nervousness or regard for the bouncer's
    physical presence. He didn't even answer the quesitons with anything
    COHERENT.
    The bouncer is TRAINED to pick up on this behaviour, and admit high value
    guests.
    I'm not sure if this makes sense, but this is the behaviour we use in the
    pickup of high value girls.
    P.S.:
    Active disinterest can also cause attraction because it engages certain things
    in a girl.. many things actually.
    A few are:
    1- She feels that she can become emotional around you, and you won't fuck her
    while she's in this illogical state (which then its too late and you do) -
    This is hard to explain, and is a concept that has never been discussed on
    mASF. So I'd have to post wack of stuff to get you up to speed on this. It's
    very real though man. Logic is the BREAKS that girls use to stop emotion.
    When you disengage logic, emotion takes over, and she becomes sexually
    RECEPTIVE. This is DIFFERENT from how guys get (which is sexually AGGRESSIVE).
    Girls become sexually aggressive sometimes, but most lays will happen when
    they're too emotional to adaquetely object, rather than when they're horny and
    want to fuck.
    Remember the lay report from Ryobi, where I said "just drag her out of the club
    caveman style"? I could recognize that she was in a sexually AGGRESSIVE state,
    so I advised him to caveman. But if girls are sexually RECEPTIVE, you need to
    go about it differently. Different gameplan. A gameplan where active
    disinterest is fundamental.
    2- It engages her "chase" instinct, which prevents the "screen" instinct.
    Think to when you're at a store, and the salesman is PUSHING something on you.
    Your thought process is "find stuff wrong with it.. find reasons not to".. If
    its the last one, and other people are buying it, you SCRAMBLE to get it. Your
    thought process is totally different.
    3- It subcommunicates VALUE, which some girls actually find to be a huge
    turnon. (like girls who want gay guys because their core desire is trust, many
    girls just want value and don't care about attraction that much.. the mere
    PRESENCE of someone with value is ENOUGH to make them EMOTIONALLY AROUSED, so
    the value actally takes care of the arousal process FOR YOU).

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