What happens when your pivots DON'T hook you up with their girls?

[smoothlatinkid]

Though I've hooked up with some of my pivots' friends---it's always been on the down-low. They don't truly "hook me up", ie, provide accomplishment intros.

When I asked them about this, they say it's because they don't want to get shit from their girls because I've "played" them.

Now, I'm not a liar. I don't say I want a relationship. And I'm not really the one-night-stand guy anymore (though occassionally, I do have relapses...heh-heh!)

But this seems counter-productive to my idea of branding; ideally, your rep should be bringing you girls. A lot of women know Clooney and Colin Farrell are players; they still want to be down.

So my question is, where is the middle ground? IMHO, a woman likes a man that's wanted by other women, but doesn't necessarily want a manwhore.

All too often, I've come off as the latter.

Trust me, that carries it's own SP; I'm a magnet for married women (but I don't partake.)

What I'm doing? Keeping my exploits to myself. Not overtly hitting on anyone in front of them. Trying to be patient.

How do you all deal with this issue? And do you have suggestions as to how to "re-brand" yourself in the eyes of your pivots?

[Affection]

It depends... are "their girls" girls that they've just met 5 minutes ago or long-time friends? If you're going out to bars with friends and they're hiding all the women from you, then yeah, that's gay, but if you're expecting an AI for their friends, I think you're expecting too much.

~~Affection

[smoothlatinkid]

are "their girls" girls that they've just met 5 minutes ago or long-time friends?

Most generally, the girls are their co-workers, or semi-long-term friends (one year or less.)

I don't think expecting an AI is asking too much; would you AI your pivot? I would. Turnabout is fair play.

[BonJovi]

Its sounds like you are more interested in running social circle game. If you want to f-close girls in the social circle it 1) has to be on the down low and 2) the sex has to be amazing.

If you can't give them mind blowing orgasms its a waste of time since the girl will then become uncomfortable rolling in the same circle as you fearing you will want to have more bad sex. If the sex is amazing (use viagra or something) you become a special friend and she may even recommend you to the other. Have you f-closed your pivot?

I much prefer to role with a group of girls and use them as social proof and for pre-selection. I find when you game girls outside of the social circle the girls in your social circle naturally become attracted to you.

[smoothlatinkid]

Thanks for replying, BonJovi---great name, by the way.

My main pivot I haven't f-closed---but we've done everything but, and yes, I've given her mind-blowing orgasms (thank you David Von Arrick!). Some of her friends---who I have f-closed--have heard about me, sexually, from her--and opened ME up.

What I suppose this thread is truly about IDENTITY and BRANDING. I've used my pivots exactly as you have---for SP and pre-selection. But I found it interesting---and a possible place for improvement---if the identity you hold within your social circle exempts you from hooking up WITHIN that social circle.

I believe it shouldn't.

This doesn't mean I want to bang all of her friends. But if my identity within the group is that of, say, the manwhore who sleeps with all the girls---as opposed to the great guy that their friends would love---that's a sticking point worth attending to.

[LifeWithBG]

The purpose of a pivot's not really to open up a social circle for you to fuck. If you succeed in this; good job and let me know how you did it.. But the classic 'pivot' is for sarging more so than social circle game.

[smoothlatinkid]

What up, BG!

When it has happened (hooking up within the circle), it's been organic; they've heard about me (sexually or otherwise), or I game them on the spot when my pivot brings them out.

[Limelight]

What up, BG!

When it has happened (hooking up within the circle), it's been organic; they've heard about me (sexually or otherwise), or I game them on the spot when my pivot brings them out.

I don't know but I would NEVER use my pivots to sarge their friends. We even have an agreement that they're taboo and I think that's fair and keeps things from getting complicated.

In my eyes it's way more effective to use a pivot to open new sets(and they do open MUCH easier with a pivot on your side)!

I mean I can understand why she's feeling uncomfortable in helping you picking-up her friends. So what I'd do is to sarge someone from her social circle(and try to give that girl the best you have;) ) and from that one time your pivot will see that you're able to handle it. She will recognize that her friends won't blame her for anything 'cause you're just amazing.