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Rich_101
03-08-2008, 07:13 AM
I'm really torn on this. I enjoy hearing women's opinions on certain issue's and most have enlightening perspectives that usually reinforce what most of us are already learning about the Venusian Arts.

However, I recently had a women come to our local lounge meeting and it really was odd to have her in a room with 50 plus guys talking. Here is why(credit pua Ameno who posted this on another board) I've come to believe women have no place in community except as pivots and/or teaching tools:

"First off being the only woman there, she was a distracting influence. This is just a fact, there is no way around it. And because she is receiving a ton of attention, she will subconsciously do things to receive even more.

Less confident individuals may not speak up and ask the questions that the otherwise would have. Remember, some guys get into this community because they are intimidated by women. Having a woman there will cause them to clam up. Even for those of us who wouldn't be at all intimidated by a woman, putting a woman into the mix DOES change the dynamic within a group of men. That is just biological.

Most importantly, a great many techniques we will discuss are "masculinizing," and are not of much value for her. The things she needs to know, in terms of "game," are virtual opposites of what we will be discussing.

Lastly, a woman WANTING to go to a meeting like this is about as suspect as a man WANTING to go to a baby shower. The only reason I'd want to go to a baby shower is for the chicks."

azazels_wolf
03-08-2008, 07:34 AM
Wingwomen already exist, you know. They can be quite fantastic in the field.

I think women who are open-minded, and understand and appreciate what PUAs do, should certainly be allowed to participate. They can have a lot of valuable knowledge and opinions, and many skilled PUAs find it valuable to listen to and analyze their input.

Women have also come to bootcamps before and have found that the game can very well apply to them, because the game is designed to take them through their own natural courtship process. So they too can benefit from seeing these techniques work and the process laid out. Not all women are naturals with these things, and they can obtain a better understanding of men by learning what PUAs have to experience and struggle through.

Overall, I think the community would be improved by more female participation. That doesn't mean they have to be there ALL the time, but I certainly wouldn't reject their presence right off the bat. PUAs shouldn't see women as a threat or an interference... that is a poor frame to hold.

Hengman
03-08-2008, 07:50 AM
Women are an essential part to help in gaming.

I find from experience that women tend to be the best when it comes to occupying AMOGs and assholes in general.

I TOTALLY agree with Wolf on this. Women who are actually opened to the community are the keepers. They can help any AFC turn into PUAs in short time if you just left a woman being a practice course for an AFC.

Mike Sinner
03-08-2008, 08:28 AM
I'd say just be selective.

There are some female friends of mine that I've shared some concepts with. I haven't shared all of it with any of them, but I am often surprised how much women validate the truth of it.

Other women live in some fantasy world (sometimes caused by out of control feminism) and can't handle it.

How would guys feel if there were brought to a meeting of women who were talking about how to show leg and boobs, how to control body language, how to do makeup, how to smile and touch in order to get more men interested in them for the purposes of getting a BF?

Some men would love it, some men would rather let things remain behind the curtains. So just be selective. I do think that in general, the knowledge we have should operate behind the curtain. That is not to say that we should be fakers or robots, though.

Rich_101
03-08-2008, 09:38 AM
Wingwomen already exist, you know. They can be quite fantastic in the field..

I'm not opposed to them as wings/pivots as they give social proof and preselection but do they need to understand game to do this? Do they need to regularly come to essentialy "men's group" meetings?



I think women who are open-minded, and understand and appreciate what PUAs do, should certainly be allowed to participate. They can have a lot of valuable knowledge and opinions, and many skilled PUAs find it valuable to listen to and analyze their input...

Sure they are good as teaching tools. Both in-field and planned out, especially for body language, testing banter. And some have used them as teaching tools for things like kissing or, demoing other stuff.

Now I'm just speaking from personal opinion here but when I first started out in this and joined the local lounge I was meeting with 4-5 likeminded guys and talking to them about stuff I would not talk to my best friends or family about...my failures at picking up women(a very demasulating subject). Would I have been able to tackle my issues if I showed up and had to reveal my secrets to a group of the opposite sex who I was already so intimiaded by, I sincerly doubt it. Anyone, whose been at a poker table with 6 guys and 1 hot girl knows it subconsciously changes the dynamic whether we want it to or not.

latinguy
03-08-2008, 11:11 AM
If you're that uncomfortable, you should just be alpha and ask them to leave.

It might be good to get used to having them around if they are genuinely trying to add value.

girlinnyc21
03-08-2008, 01:33 PM
In a word: no.

checkers
03-08-2008, 04:58 PM
Hmm....

I would say that, if they are there to actively contribute, then let them stay. However, if they're being a wallflower in the meeting and not doing anything to contribute to the meeting, then why are they there in the 1st place? For a guy to kind of hang back and listen would be okay, but a girl? Idk, but it would kind of seem like 'spying' to me if they just sat there the whole time...

azazels_wolf
03-09-2008, 04:35 AM
In a word: no.

If you don't think women should participate in the PUA community, then why are you, a woman, hanging out on an online PUA community?

A bit INCONGRUENT there..... ;)

Ronin
03-09-2008, 06:11 AM
Perhaps as wings or pivots; otherwise no.
Their fundamental construct will never change; which is the source of all our issues; and why we're here anyway. If women were logical at all; nice guys would get more tang than a 7th grader at Space Camp, and Jerks, Abusers, Bastards and their ilk would be sol.

The percentage of women who are Logical, Intelligent, Experienced, Self-Aware, and Wise enough to qualify as consultants is In-Sanely Small.

Remember, you Never go by what women Say; you go on what they Actually Respond To. -2 very different things.

azazels_wolf
03-09-2008, 06:32 AM
If women were logical at all; nice guys would get more tang
......
The percentage of women who are Logical, Intelligent, Experienced, Self-Aware, and Wise enough to qualify as consultants is In-Sanely Small.


This kind of thing always irritates me.

I agree that the percentage of women who are truly self-aware is small (but that applies to men as well... it is a challenge for humanity as a whole, I think.). If a woman is not self-aware, her words and her actions and responses may not correspond at all.

However, my issue is with the "women are not logical" part. What about all those girls who have excelled in math and science? What about all those women with university degrees? ARE THEY NOT LOGICAL ENOUGH?!

I think it's better said that "Women act from a predominantly emotional standpoint in relationships and interpersonal matters." Smart women can be very logical in other matters when they want to be.

Argo navis
03-09-2008, 02:25 PM
Well put : I am not gonna dwelve too deep into the question, because I see no question, but the very best demonstration I received of how to approach hired guns was from a...

Lesbian PUA who turns straight girl into bi. On a consistent basis. And the lady is ugly, but the hired guns? Amazing.

She works on confidence to obtain this result. Here in this community, HBPornstar has given me great advice and consistantly sounds like an educated woman, and there are others, other girls who have left GREAT POSTS behind.

It shouldn't be a question at all. Hope this helps.