Getting past the "She's HALF your age, dude" mentality?

[Diebold]

Any suggestions for getting past the "I'm robbing the cradle, she's half my age, but yeah she's bragworthy, but still what the fuck can this old fart do for her" state of thinking?

The only way that I've been able to work past it is just saying "fuck it", throwing my thinking to the wind, but I mess up calibration and timing by doing that. :mad:

[Smurk]

Age is nothing but a number man. If she's 20 and you're 42, so what? does that mean you arent any more manly then a 22 year old?Unlikely. Dont limit yourself, it's beliefs that stop half of our 100% potential from rocketing up,and achieving what we REALLY want.

get out there man. if worst comes to worst she says 'you're scary' and you walk away.

[Superfreak]

Reframe what you are thinking. Seriously, you being older is an advantage not a weakness. You have experienced life and you are a man not some boy. Sure she can hook up with a boy her own age but how often does she get a chance to experience a real man. You are the prize. Also most women do not care about your age they care about how you make them feel. Think of it this way because your options in the woman you date is very broad. You can finally pick and chose. If you do not make your age an issue it does not matter. Its your reality.

There was two bulls in the pasture. One was young and one was much older. The young one said "I am stonger and faster than you." The old bull was not phased one bit he just turned his head and said but I can do it better."

[LondonPlayboy]

haha. Man, I turned 30 last year, and pulled two of the youngest girls I've ever been with (18 & 19 - one of them a model).

A good friend of mine is 36, and dating a hot, bi-curious 21 year old. He's best man at his friend wedding, who's 45 with a 23 year old bride-to-be.

Dude, men really do become more attractive with age. You gain life-experience, confidence and a wealth of other attributes that you did not have when you were younger.

Something you may find IME, is you will need to run some solid A3 if you're gaming seriously younger girls than you. If you have the rest of your shit together, the girl should be thinking "what would this cool, confident guy with all this life experience see in a young girl like me?" Convince her.

[Diebold]

So when the dreadful question of "how old are you?" do you respond honestly (after reframing the hoop to make it yours) or just straight up lie?

Or do you just blow off the question?

[Tha Gangsta]

I get asked my age all the time. I'm 24, but if she's around my generation, I tell her "50." If she calls me on it, I tell her I have one hell of a plastic surgeon. :)

As long as you let your age be a detractor to YOU then you will not succeed. I mean, I can very easily pull someone twice my age (quite literally) when I go home in a few weeks. HB8.5 business professional.

As long as she and I don't let the age difference become an issue (and I'm sure it'll be nothing more than just sex) than it's all good in the hood. :D

Most of the women I've been with are older than me. Whether one year, or 7+. Don't let it affect you and she'll go for it. Even more so since you're older.

You've got a good job. You're secure with your situation. You're stable. All very attractive qualities. Just put some dye in your beard before sarging though. :D

OG

[Demo]

My friend age is a number as said above nothing more nothing less. You cannot let something that is merely numerical mess up that which is emotional and fluid. Numbers are uncomprimising and stiff and have no place in the emotional level.

Do you honestly believe being older is a bad thing? I think not. Be solid be strong know you are good enough for any woman and age is nothing more than a meaningless catagory for those who believe people can truly be catagorized

[Godhand]

Any suggestions for getting past the "I'm robbing the cradle, she's half my age, but yeah she's bragworthy, but still what the fuck can this old fart do for her" state of thinking?

The only way that I've been able to work past it is just saying "fuck it", throwing my thinking to the wind, but I mess up calibration and timing by doing that. :mad:

I understand what you're saying. Today a 2-set opened me in the gym this morning. They thought I was a trainer and asked me how to use the equipment as an excuse to talk to me (even a fool could have figured out on his own how the arm curl machine works). Normally, I would have been all over them like wild dogs on meat, but these girls looked under 21. I'm 28 and I find it difficult to take women that can't buy their own drinks seriously unless they're a 9 or 10. The 2-set consisted of a 6.5 and a 5 (I grade on a tough scale). The 5 was married or engaged (ring on finger), so she was a non-factor. She seemed to be winging for her friend, infact. I just had a problem reaching down for a 6.5 that can only get in all-ages clubs. So I kept it in 1st gear and interacted with her on a courtesy level.

[comfort]

You have nothing to gain by her learning your age. Die your grey hairs and avoid conversational threads that lead to age. For example, dont say "I did this or that for 10 years." Just say I did this or that.

When you are finally forced to reveal your age, just state the number boldly and confidently, as if you're proud of it. Shut up and let the number sink in. Let her respond. Then say, in a c&f kind of way "Yeah, you are kind of young, arent you. How old are you?" as if she's too young for you, not youre too old for her.

If she asks your age later into the relationship, say after sex, its an IOI. It means she's considering a relationship with you. Why else would she be interested in how old you are?

A very, very young girl might be curious as to your age, but might herself be avoiding the subject because she doesnt want you to know she is 17! In that case, you do want the subject to come up because then it really is she who is too young for you. So be careful.

[Bassman]

remember David D?

"attraction is not a choice" :)

she couldn't decide not to be attracted to you, even if she wanted to, so why would her finding out your age make any difference?

i'm 36 next month, my girlfriend is 21, and I took her through A1, A2 & A3 in front of her parents... before learning any of this stuff I would never have bothered even trying to talk to this girl, since I knew she wouldn't be attracted to an old guy like me... :D

ultimately, you really do just have to say "fuck it" and realise that there's no downside to giving it a try... nothing bad will happen

and if you do what you're supposed to do correctly, she won't need to find a way of overcoming problems like what her friends or family might think, because MM is based on you disarming them first of all

[Spectyr]

So when the dreadful question of "how old are you?" do you respond honestly (after reframing the hoop to make it yours) or just straight up lie?

Or do you just blow off the question?


HB: How old are you?
PUA: How old do you think i am?
<Note, whatever age she says is the age she is hoping you are>
HB: Ummm.. 28
PUA: OMG, you are so good, do you believe in esp? You know... run game

or C&F

HB: How old are you?
PUA:Way too old for you
HB: Come on tell me
PUA: 428

[relics]

Dudes, I can't believe nobody's mentioned the most powerful two names with age and sex:


Hugh Hefner.

[Diebold]

Let's see...

Offers drugs,
Watches gay porn during Viagra™ fueled sex,
Promises fame to get women.

Yeah, that sounds like Hugh.

Myself, I respect Larry Flynt more. :)

[relics]

It's not the skill but the possibility of a 70ish year old man scorin chicks half his age.

Remember that time when people said it was impossible to run a mile in four minutes? SURE he might've used Erythropoietin but he still could do it.

[evan_essence]

Age is nothing but a number man. If she's 20 and you're 42, so what? ... if worst comes to worst she says 'you're scary' and you walk away.Actually, the worst thing she could say would be, "Nice to meet you. I'm friends with your daughter."


It's not the skill but the possibility of a 70ish year old man scorin chicks half his age.Half? Um, they're one-third his age. As in "Nice to meet you. I'm friends with your granddaughter."


Remember that time when people said it was impossible to run a mile in four minutes? SURE he might've used Erythropoietin but he still could do it.I think you missed the main point of his observation. Namely, Hef is a sugardaddy, not a PUA.

-Ev

[Silver]

If you aren't "Ho Chasin'", and are limiting your attention to chicks who are showing interest, it shouldn't be a problem. Unless they are stupid or blind, it is obvious how old people are. If they didn't dig older guys, they would blow you off.

If she is still there, it is still on.

It is more likely a shit test.

When I was young, several different girls told me stories about some older guy they fucked who gave them the best night ever. I think it is a young girl fantasy. Most guys suck at sex, and the younger they are, the less they know.

Silver

[Adamm]

I'm not so sure if it's age per se, but the type of lifestyle you want to lead and the type of person you are looking for. I often find that even some of the mannerisms and patterns of speech of younger women are sometimes ridiculously grating and annoying: "omg, like you know, I'm like totally, you know this guy, I mean..." Their topics of discussion, their circles of friends, their preferred leisure activities (smoking pot, sitting on a couch, drinking) can sometimes be aggravatingly stupid and mind numbing. Now, not ALL younger women behave in this way, or spend time with people who engage in such stupid activities but it occurs so frequently, at least around where I live, that I sometimes can't even fathom the thought of a long term situation with someone in this age bracket (18-23).

I find younger women to be quite physically attractive sometimes, but the combination of their limited outlook and experience, their distinctive mannerisms which constantly remind you of the age difference (the way they walk, talk, the way they dress, their companions, etc.), among other factors just leaves me shaking my head in bemusement sometimes.

Anyway, I'm venting a bit, as a number of women in the younger age brackets find me attractive, but beyond the physical, there is often a bit of a gulf. Now, if you can find someone who is substantially and really has their act together, more power to you. You WILL have to spend more time looking for this gem.

Adamm

[MINDreadr]

I'm 47 and date many girls from 19 up to 28.

Last nite I opened a cute latina on SoBe. She asked my age (an IOI) and I quickly and happily told her 47. Then quickly asked her in neg form her age. She: (with a smile) 21.
Me: we could NEVER go out!
She: why?
Me: Because I seldom relate to girls so immature.
She: But I act like I'm 28.
Me: Me too!
She: and I look like I'm 17, right?
Maybe. Call me on your phone right now.
She: I don't have your number.
Me: (cell number)
She: (calls)
Me: (answering) Hello, hello? Now you have mine.
She:What's your name?
After that she was showing me the nude and seminude photos of herself on her phone.

My not having a problem with who I am showed confidence and I turned it into a neg... then into a fun play.

Cheers,

MINDreadr

[MindWarper]

I agree with MindReadr that setting the frame of normally being attracted to women that have more maturity or life experience is a good way to make the girl qualify herself. After all, most women in their early twenties want to be viewed as mature. I have done the same thing a number of times and had good success. One of my regular girls is 25 and another is 23. I am 45. My frame is not that she is almost half my age, but rather that she is lucky to be with a guy that has some stability and has already learned to please a women. Of course, in the back of my mind I do chuckle at how lucky I am to be living a reality that many guys view as impossible.:D

[MINDreadr]

How very true! :D

[specialK]

I like MINDReadr's response (line) about also acting 28. I have a tendency to act like whomever I'm around at the time, not necessarily deliberately, just subtley, it's like it happens unconsciously or something. I never have any hesitation interacting with 20yr olds, in fact maybe I don't act my age in general (I'm 41).

What about attire? How much of a factor do you think that is? Do you dress 35-45 or "younger"? I tend to wear clothes 20-somethings wear. Does that help or hurt or does it matter?

[MindWarper]

I don't dress like most guys my age. It seems that many men have decided that boring clothing that looks like it came from the Goodwill store is cool. I buy clothing that comes off as cool, but not the same thing as a 20 would wear. For example right now I came back from lunch with a 25yr old and am wearing a stylish Claiborn button shirt,slacks with a subtle chevron weave and biker boots that sport an O ring on the side. I was able to wear the same thing into my office and simply untuck the shirt before heading out with the girl. I find that look works for me, but I think everyone has to figure out what works best for them. To wear something from Hot Topic would not fit me at all, but it might work for some of you.

[revmojo]

I must say that I don't get many of these post. A 28 yo having trouble relating to a 20 yo? You've got to be kidding. I'm 49 and I don't game anyone that looks over late 20's. Of course I'm not looking for a "soul mate" nor do I believe in such a concept. I've laid women in their 30's and I've laid women who are 19. All things being equal, I'll pick the 19 yo every time. Hugh Hefner could have any woman he wants, ever wonder why he keeps picking women in their twenties. One of his 'girlfriends" was 19 when she moved into the mansion.

[El Diablo]

In any interaction, I have this philosophy about bad feelings: I think in percentages. 100% her, 0% me.

If there is going to be X amount of embarassment, nervousness, shyness, or worrying about something (like age difference) --- don't share it 50-50 with her. Let her feel 100% of it.

If anyone is going to be worried about age difference, let it be her, and 0% you. She'll fall in line with you if she sees it doesn't matter to you; girls follow.

[Leonard X]

Man I am 36 I ve met a girl who I didnt imagine that I could be with, then I just rememberd some one saying that I shouldnt rejecte my self on her behalf.

I just did my own( social circle) routines as usually, and reframed everything that she was not enough for me and stuf like that. And when the momnet came she just came up to my place without any hestitation.

I fucked her without any actual kiss closeing. ( new routine to getting past resistence)

So dont rejecte your self before she is done it for you!

[MindWarper]

In any interaction, I have this philosophy about bad feelings: I think in percentages. 100% her, 0% me.

If there is going to be X amount of embarassment, nervousness, shyness, or worrying about something (like age difference) --- don't share it 50-50 with her. Let her feel 100% of it.

If anyone is going to be worried about age difference, let it be her, and 0% you. She'll fall in line with you if she sees it doesn't matter to you; girls follow.


I am not sure I really can eliminate all the questions, but acting on the frame you are suggesting is a great place to start.

[Randel Flagg]

Just be specifically well groomed. I find that younger women Like a older brother figure mixed with a little playboy. Just be playful,mix in a couple of harmless older brother negs, and be funny; not ha ha

[dman]

Simple solution: don't ask her age.

After all what does it achieve?

[steerpike]

My two cents (from a 48-year-old who prefers twenty-somethings):

Just work on your inner game. Men are biologically hardwired to like younger women. Understanding and accepting that and not worrying about what others think about you will help a lt.

[Hoch]

Or
HB- How old are you?
Me- Old enough to know not to answer that question.
HB- No, really tell me....
Me- A true gentleman never reveals his age.
HB- Common.....
Me- Ok, 96.
HB- No your not.
Me- Your right, I'm really 120 I just tell people I'm 96 to get all the hot chics.

[Decibel]

Girls in their early 20s can be good for a quickie, but the one's I've dated are dumb and clingy. If that's what you want, don't let it bother you. But if you want someone mature, you probably shouldn't waste your time.

[biglu]

sometimes, I use false disqualifier.
me: uhhh, you're kind of young, hmm, I'm going to give you a chance so don't act all immature and disappoint me.

some times I make them work for it and then tell them and cut the thread
her: so how old are you
me option 1: older than you
me option 2: old enough to know, not to answer, a question like that
either option then...
her: come on tell me
me: guess
her: ##
me: WRONG!, I'm ##
then I cut into next thread

I read or heard somewhere that if you are congruent with who you are then just don't look at it like an issue and move on. its not a problem unless you make it a problem. most younger women believe that older guys have their act together and they like this.
I drop the ones that make it an issue.