Calling all online game masters

[thirtyplus]

This is it. I am officially asking for your expertise.

Background: I have been aware of "the community" since 2003. So I am not a newb.

But this online shite is the one area of my game that is not up to snuff: for the life if me I can't figure out how to consistently and regularly pull and convert from online to off.

Now I know the talking point which says, it's a waste of time, go out and sarge. I've even said that myself to others many, many times.

But I want to have well-rounded game. I do sarge, I do social circles, I do clubs, I do day, I do everything just fine....EXCEPT ONLINE.

And I really want to find out, for sure, if some guys are consistently pulling from online, and if so, how?

I had a MySpace for two years, it never paid off.

Have a facebook right now, nada.

Have tried craigs list....did get laid off that...once.

Do have an okcupid now, have gotten 2 numbers, haven't even bothered trying to convert them (1 fat girl 1 neurotic girl)

Really spotty results as you can see.

So, for all those out there who have had a good amount of success with online game, what are you doing, and how are you doing it?

Please, enlighten me....I am a willing student here.

What really works in online game?

[Dynamism]

http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18669

This there is good stuff.

[Good]

yep, what he said, great link

[waxlrose]

Try posting some of your messages that you've had back and forth with some ladies.

Then we can critique what you're doing.

Keep in mind that a lot of Myspace girls are really spammers trying to sell stuff, and they won't reply because that's an easy way for them to get their accounts deleted.

I usually open by busting on their elaborate profiles-

"OMG, your profile is AWESOME! It looks like you put a lot of work into it, but...

Maybe you should go out once in a while and get some fresh air and look at that thing they call the sun."

Sometimes I just point out their spelling errors and such.

Subject: You have a fuck up on your profile...

Message: Just thought you might like to know.

They'll hit you back wanting to know where it is

I have this one FHM model that I talk to all the time, I call her my chodey little sister and she loves it! We exchange chode jokes, it's a bit weird, but fun.

[Pulse]

Myspace is the easiest website to get laid off of... it's not an issue with your website it's an issue with your game.

[Ridiculous]

I got a myspace account, but only had 10 chick viewing it in the past 2 months...my profile is pretty good but dont know whats the catch!

[Ridiculous]

Actually im gonna check that link out right now! I will let u know how it works!

[thirtyplus]

Myspace is the easiest website to get laid off of... it's not an issue with your website it's an issue with your game.

Definitely. As I identified myself in my first post.

So, what are the t&t that a guy such as yourself might use to get laid off MySpace easily?

[trouble.]

Have pictures of you with other women so when she view your page after you neg or complimented on her page, she can see you have value.

[Ridiculous]

Well i tried my first msg to a hot chick...i used the lines written in mystery's old forum and this is what i got..

me:
subject: hey you know what?
Body: I was reading your profile and I noticed u like dancing, working out, and the fact that you love sking! Ya know what? Me too!! Lets hang out!

Her: how about no

lol....im so used to rejections i just move on to the next. I think women online just look at u by ure looks and then try making their judgements like that.

[Heartwork]

Well i tried my first msg to a hot chick...i used the lines written in mystery's old forum and this is what i got..

me:
subject: hey you know what?
Body: I was reading your profile and I noticed u like dancing, working out, and the fact that you love sking! Ya know what? Me too!! Lets hang out!

Her: how about no

lol....im so used to rejections i just move on to the next. I think women online just look at u by ure looks and then try making their judgements like that.

Just plow through with the friendship lines, by the way whoever created that opener is really really cool ;) ;) ;)
haha

Yeah that opener will work if you have a cool profile, but its just a test, No is sometimes more fun to work with than yes.

Add :P to the end of your opener

makes a difference

[Ridiculous]

I'm sure you guys may be curious on what my profile says. I got it from someone and he told me to try it out. What do u guys think? Like i said, even with this...i think women judge me by my looks.

here we go... also be free to copy it :)

About me:

First things first, you made an exellent choice visiting my page, you sexy fucker! I am the type of guy thats into the extreme, I am passionate about surfing, snowboarding and cars. Currently I attend school in Toronto, I can be a bit of a bad boy at times. I lead a busy life and tend to be a bit picky about those I let in, I have no time for games or drama queens. So shoot me an email and we will see where things take us. I'm very open, spontanious, friendly, and sexual, and I don't apologize for being that way. You must have great taste reading this so drop me a message, I won't bite (unless you're lucky).

Who I'd like to meet:
A girl who is ready for a challenge, you want to meet someone unique and spontanious, you need a friend to talk to, you're cute, you're open, you're shy, willing to explore new things and very sexual.

[PradaG]

Heartwork, I don't really approve of your lines. Not to say they don't work for you or others, but I've tried them many times, mostly with similar responses or none at all to the one the OP got. I do much better online with the way I work it. I think it all comes down to a matter of congruency. And yes, it is possible to detect incongruency even online from the way you use haha, lol, emoticons, and what your profile is like.

In my experience, I find it most effective to use negs and C/F and just flirt for a few lines, then move onto a DHV routine, move in for a real-time interaction (such as instant messenger), run more routines, and take it from there. It works almost like a live sarge. I've gotten this to the point that the girl first offered me her number without my asking, begged me to call (several times because I never called), initiated cybersex, told me how much she liked me, asked me if I would ever sleep with her in real life, told me how she wished she could fly down to see me, and was essentially head over heels. Keep in mind, this was all done online - every stage from attraction to comfort to seduction (at least virtually), and all I had to do was call and turn it real. But I didn't feel it she was good enough from my qualification and I was basically just seeing how far the online realm could be pushed - apparently, very far.

[Slick]

Rid, change "you sexy fucker" to something like "I'm one sexy fucker"

Then take out "You must have great taste reading this so drop me a message, I won't bite (unless you're lucky)." and change it to "If you can handle this, I want to hear from you".

See if you get better results.

[Ridiculous]

Thanks Slick! I'll give it a shot and see what i get.

[Dynamism]

It's an interesting thing. Speaking of challenges, even us guys don't get a lot of them.

For example, on myspace I put my AIM SN there and said "Do not under any circumstance IM me unless you're super entertaining, because opposites will definitely not attract."

If I read this on a girl's profile I'd AIM her right away and challenge her... lol There are few challenges. MY attraction switches will go way up if a girl actually IMs me with a challenge... hah

[Pulse]

I could write 15 pages on my myspace game but I'm too lazy. I get a 90% reply rate and if I can get a conversation going while she's online right then I can get a solid number close in about 45 minutes (or 4-5 messages).

First off... just like real life... you have to approach (message) the girls.

Your subject line must make them want to open the message. "hey" isn't going to cut it.

Just like real life you have to actively disqualify yourself in the first message.

Negging doesn't work online, so don't try it.

Give her a nickname (like goober) in the first message.

Your profile is A2... the most important thing is to have TONS of social proof on your page. The more pictures of you with hot girls the better.

Make yourself out to be an asshole... it's really hard to go to far with this.

Social Proof.

If she messages back (no matter what it says), you are now into A3. I start with what are your three best qualities... most times they answer, but if they don't I use an even harsher qualifier. For some reason this works.

Social Proof.

Telling a story before number closing will help get the number.

Did I mention Social Proof?

Control the frame.

QUALIFY.

Create a timebridge... this is the best way to get solid numbers. I use the zoo as a timebridge and I've never once gone to the zoo... just make sure the girl thinks that you are calling her to plan a trip to the zoo... she will eventually forget.

When you number close... make sure you say something like "Let's exchange information and I might shoot you a text." And then give your number at the end of the message... giving your number first VERY important on actually getting a number back.

You should be moving be doing this in 4-5 messages. Never take it over to AIM or MSN or anything... get the number.

For the first couple phone calls... don't try and set up a hang out... just call and tell a stupid story.

there is a lot more but... you'll figure it out.

[Dynamism]

Never take it over to AIM or MSN or anything...


I've never understood this. Everything else sounds cool, but I need you to elaborate on this.

[Pulse]

You don't want to be that guy she met online. You want to take it to the phone as quickly as possible. The longer you keep it online the more and more she will view you as some guy she met online and the harder it will be to meet up with her. Plus you can't control what state she is in... what else she is doing... or how much she is paying attention online. Let me dig up a post that explains it better.

[Pulse]

ActionJackson (my wing) and I codeveloped our myspace game together... and thus I can vouch for this because we've field tested everything on literally thousands of women. As to the first line... if your phone game isn't tight then you need to work on it, and the only way to do that is to practice.

Not exactly sure about those two models, but I agree that if your phone game isn't tight then instant messenger is probably a safer way to go since you avoid any chances of awkward silence, and if that happens on the phone you will instantly blow yourself out. That being said, I prefer phone because 1) If they don't answer I can leave a message and gauge how interested they are by the amount of time it takes for them to call back; 2) HEARING my voice gives off much better future projection of us meeting and separates me from the "internet guys"...she now knows I'm a cool guy and not some creep hiding behind a computer; 3) On the phone I can tell if I have her full attention or if she's distracted...if she's distracted I make her stop what she's doing and give me her full attention. Where as on instant messenger who knows what else she is doing while talking to you, maybe watching tv, at work, etc. 4) For the 2nd or 3rd phone call (since I NEVER try and set up a Day 2 on the 1st or 2nd phone call) my phone game allows me to convey a fun, laid back personality that gets her laughing and puts her in state to want to meet me. For that moment I have her completely interested in me and she's as excited as I am for the Day 2. Where as on instant messenger when you go for the Day 2 the girl has time to pause...and re-read your Day 2 message...and re-read it again...and stare at the screen and think some more...and maybe talk herself out of it.

One more thing about Phone vs Instant Messenger... just like in field if you're trying to go for a quick # close the chances of her being a flake are higher. So for quick closes (2 to 3 messages) I would suggest instant messenger since she'll be more willing to give you her screenname than her phone #. However, all of my solid Day 2's have come from taking the myspace messaging all the way into C1, and then # close and continue C1 over the phone. On average this takes me 6-7 messages to # close and at this point she is excited to give me her # and sometimes texts or calls me first.

[thirtyplus]

Looks great so far. Thanks for your thoughts Heartwork and Pulse.

I will report back.