Taking Advice From Women

[Prophet]

We have an awesome on-going thread in our Best Of Section with a woman answering questions about Pick-Up from her perspective. It's a great thread and there's some awesome advice in it. You can find it here:

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7014

It has always been a standard sort of thinking by many aspiring PUAs to assume that you should never take the advice of a woman because what they say they want and what they really want are two different things. While this is true in many cases, it should not be taken as the final word on the matter.

You can take advice from women, just be sure to take it with a grain of salt. Also, try to understand why a women is saying a particular thing, that can sometimes tell you more than the advice itself.

I always try to keep close female friends who I would never try to seduce, and I always try to encourage other PUAs to do the same. Close female friends who you are not sexually interested in are great for social proof as pivots, can help you be more comfortable being around women without experiencing sexual tension, or even just to make sure you have some women somewhere in your life at all times. And you can also learn a ton from them.

For instance, one of my good friends just broke up with her boyfriend. Within the first week of her being single, she received close to a hundred texts, phone calls, emails, and myspace/facebook messages from different AFC guys that she knows (which shows you the kind of quality of women I like to keep in my social circles). What I found interesting is that all of them were basically saying the same thing: "Hey, I heard you and XXXXX just broke up. If you want to get together and have a coffee and talk about it or something, I'm here for you." Now, she's not naive, she knows that it's never just coffee, and she's always telling me about these guys who hit on her in creepy/shady/AFC ways and I make sure to file every story in my brain under What Not To Do.

I have honestly learned so much about women and how AFC guys act just by watching interactions between guys and my female friends, and I encourage all of you to strive to do the same.

Similarly, there are also many girls out there that are very much aware of how their minds work.

I was with another one of my friends on New Year's and we were talking about an issue she had with a certain guy and - honest to god - she said to me "I don't necessarily 'like him', he's not even hot, but he's just so cocky and confident and it's...attractive."

Does that ring any bells to anyone? Now, a girl like that can sometimes be hard to find, but they are out there. Women are not as blind to what's happening as some PUAs like to think.

In summation:
- Always listen to what women have to say about men, but be sure to take it with a grain of salt and learn to read between the lines.
- Watch how AFCs interact with your female friends and how your female friends react in response and learn from it.
- Keep an eye out for that rare "aware" girl. They are learning goldmines.

Happy sarging everyone!

Prophet

[azazels_wolf]

This post is SOLID GOLD. :D

Thank you for elaborating on such an important topic that so many guys never wrap their heads around.

Everyone here should make sure they understand this and APPLY it. It can make a huge difference in your game and your LIFE.

[Couture]

I was with another one of my friends on New Year's and we were talking about an issue she had with a certain guy and - honest to god - she said to me "I don't necessarily 'like him', he's not even hot, but he's just so cocky and confident and it's...attractive."


This goes along with the saying: attraction is not a choice!

Good stuff Prophet.

- Keep an eye out for that rare "aware" girl. They are learning goldmines.


I can imagine it would be great to keep a few 10's just as friends so you can figure out exactly what's going on in their heads.. But really, it would be hugely tempting. I guess you just have to spare 1 seed to get 10 oranges in the end.

[Decibel]

Great post.
I have a pivot at the moment who I've been studying just for her unshakable AFOG qualities. She is so utterly alpha that the past few months have literally been a frame tug-of-war (she's never a bitch, she just always wants things on her terms). Since I always win the battle she's been recently complying, but before that...never.
Women are also helpful because of their intuition. They can sense things about potential targets. If I glance over to one of my chick friends while I'm gaming and she gives me her subtle shake of the head, time to move on.

[Hengman]

I agree with you, Prophet.

I always make sure that I understand women fully ('cause female psychology has its limits) before I do something big.

And yeah, Decibel. I do think that women can sense potential targets. Now, I'mma bring a AFOG friend (she's a hot girl) to come sarge with me more. She's pretty much like your pivot, but this girl is interested in me like by a lot (which is so easy for me to bring her along to places without getting flaked or rejected). It's not wrong to fuck a pivot, is it? lmao

[azazels_wolf]

I can imagine it would be great to keep a few 10's just as friends so you can figure out exactly what's going on in their heads.. But really, it would be hugely tempting. I guess you just have to spare 1 seed to get 10 oranges in the end.


Part of the idea is to keep female friends who you are not sexually interested in.

You'd be surprised what a woman will feel free to tell you when she is deep in comfort and not playing with sexual tension. :) Trust and rapport without sexual expectations can reveal extraordinary things.

[Rocco]

I think taking advice from women in Internet is not very reliable because you don't know how they look and what their rating is (1-10), and from personal experience and according to Mistery's VAH:

..the truth is that women of different ratings do behave differently, to a great degree. And furthermore, men and women will also respond differently to other people based on perception of their relative difference in social status. This prejudice is a fundamental human behavior-it's hardwired.

Here is one example of responding based on social status: Seeking rapport is often an easy way to open a conversation with a set of 5s, but will only get blown out with a set of 10s. Whereas being cocky and challenging, which 9s and 10s absolutely love, will often cause a 4 or 5 to react in a nasty way.

The Mystery Method, with its emphasis on negs, group theory, and preselection, is geared towards attracting 10s.



So the advice we may take from women in internet who are 5s would be quite different if not the opposite from the advice we may take from 10s, and my suspicion is that the women who post here are not 10s, but 5s and 6s at best.

[HornDog]

Fantastic post! ;)

[azazels_wolf]

I think taking advice from women in Internet is not very reliable because you don't know how they look and what their rating is (1-10), and from personal experience and according to Mistery's VAH:

So the advice we may take from women in internet who are 5s would be quite different if not the opposite from the advice we may take from 10s, and my suspicion is that the women who post here are not 10s, but 5s and 6s at best.


It has been my experience that the internet brings a whole new dynamic to interaction with women. There are plenty of HBs on the net, and in non-dating contexts they often find comfort in the semi-anonymity, resulting in them being less on guard and defensive.

If you take a look at Tinker's thread, no matter how you'd personally "rate" her, she's been giving some very honest responses that support the validity and effectiveness of the Mystery Method. She has even demonstrated the results of bad negging and given responses with subtle differences in accordance with who she perceives as high-value vs. low-value guys here.

Is she not a girl you could learn something from?

[Wild Card]

you know ive always brushed advice women give me aside. keeping in mind that ive always thought that women are just full of dumb pointless pieces of information... but you raise way too many interesting points for me to do such horrible things now. ill be sure to keep a good ear open :D

[Cro]

when my female friends want to give me 'pointers' about what I should do to get some girl, they always tell me to do the most AFCish things possible. I just laugh and continue my way.

[TKDLover79]

I only trust taking advice from 3% of females. Other females I don't take seriously.

[BigJohnson]

Great post Prophet. For many reasons.
My brother's girlfriend made mention of how she'd like to go out with me, and become part of the action. As well as her friend. They're fascinated by social dynamics, like most girls are.

One of them is an AFOG, the other is very laid back. It will be great to see how two pivots will work, with a predetermined itinerary.

Fun fun fun. :D

[Nutz]

when my female friends want to give me 'pointers' about what I should do to get some girl, they always tell me to do the most AFCish things possible. I just laugh and continue my way.

Ditto. I've been testing out a new opener about asking for good icebreakers and the stuff women come up with for what they THINK works on them is the worst stuff imaginable. What they don't realize is I've just broken the ice with them in a neutral way that lets me build attraction. Silly AFCs.