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Matador
03-05-2007, 02:18 AM
APPROACH ANXIETY

I have read many references to this topic. It occurs to me that many people think that there is something wrong with them for having approach anxiety and are looking for ways to “get rid of it.”

WHAT IS APPROACH ANXIETY?

Approach anxiety is the hard-wired, natural emotional circuit that fires and causes you to experience discomfort at the thought of approaching a set.

WHY DO I FEEL APPROACH ANXIETY?

Approach anxiety stems from two sources of fear that have been hard-wired through evolution.

FEAR#1: Fear of being retaliated against by other males.

FEAR#2: Fear of being ostracized by the remaining available female population.

WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

We have descended from a tribal culture. We still live in a tribal culture, although not one that easily identifiable compared to what we think a tribe is (i.e. African Tribes).

Take the movie Braveheart for example. Think of the William Wallace’s tribe or clan and that was how life used to be for our ancestors. A lot of our emotions have been developed and refined for survival in that environment. However, our environment has changed far too rapidly and our emotional circuitry has not adapted fast enough.

In a tribal culture of let’s say 100 people, roughly half would be male and half would be female. So you have 50 viable females to choose from. From that 50, half of those would be too old to align with, so now you are down to 25. Out of those 25, half would be already taken by another man, so now you are down to approximately 12.

In this environment, it is very easy to step up to the wrong girl…a girl who is already spoken for by another man. Times were brutal back then. It was a real possibility that if you stepped to the wrong girl, that man would come by with his friends and kill with a rock. That’s were fear number 1 comes into play. Fear of being retaliated against by other males. Remember, there are a lot of blood lines that are not here with us today that didn’t have the precise emotional circuitry that you have. There emotional circuitry proved insufficient to govern their behavior for optimal survival purposes. To put it into context, a lot the guys who didn’t pay respect to this legitimate danger back then died out and their descendants with them. You are looking at a biased population.

Now, remember from the paragraph above, you have 12 healthy, viable females to choose from now. If you step to on of those 12 and she rejects you…word will spread of that rejection and pretty soon, the other 11 will not want to align with as well. You can see this trend in some small college communities…have you ever gotten player/scumbag reputation and all of a sudden none of the other girls will want to go out with you. If the cause of the rejection was bad enough, you might have to leave your tribe to another to find a woman that will align with you. This is the cause for fear number 2: Fear of being ostracized by the remaining available female population.

HOW DO I GET RID OF IT?

Now, to try to accomplish this is to say something along the lines of, “how do I not scan a girls breast, hair, body, and the rest of her health indicators when she walks in the room.” The answer is you can’t. You will do so as an automatic reflex. The universe behaves has it should gentlemen. God only knows where we were given all the false stories and references points that leave us wallowing in a sea of confusion and frustration at the contradiction between reality and idealistic fantasies. You approach anxiety will always be there. It is a hardwired response. Try not to think in terms of getting rid of it, but understand it, and de-fang it.

Logically, in the watering holes and public gatherings that we TYPICALLY roll in, is a jealous boyfriend going to kill you with his friends if you open properly…I have never had someone try to kill me with his friends for opening a girl…I pulled a girl right out of her boyfriends arms last week in south beach and I did it without hitch…it is not something to brag about either…anyone, can do it with the right approach. The fear should be inoculated for our CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. It does not apply.

QUICK NOTE: There are some environments that are very tribal…there are some cultures that are very primitive…don’t try trust test with a bunch of natives of one of those Hawaiian islands where the blood line is still pure and expect not to get some shit.

Next, in the watering holes and public gatherings that we TYPICALLY roll in, is a target in a set, that didn’t go well, going to inform the entire city, state, or country that you live in of your game and how bad it is? Is she going to put up a website call, www.bobsgamesucks.com? Hell no, she will have forgotten what you look by the end of the next day and life goes on.

In the sea of people that big cities provide, this fear does not apply and should be logically neutralized.

QUICK NOTE: In closed communities, such as small colleges or small towns where word spreads. If you get a reputation as a guy who is a player, who impregnated a girl and left, who beats girls, or does anything that would red flag a girl’s S&R value judging circuit, then they will spread the word about you and you will have to leave and game somewhere else.

Our emotional and logical parts of our brain are in constant conflict. I am not suggesting that by logically knowing why you are feeling AA that it should go away…that would be unnatural. I am however suggesting arming yourself with the logic of the situation so that you can better control it, rather than, it control you and ruin so many possibilities in the making.

Even TOP PUAs feel it. Imagine a Master Instructor’s approach anxiety on bootcamp night…not only do we have to deal with our own…we have performance anxiety on top of that…we have to hug, kiss, number-close, and pull girls for an audience in a totally unscripted and unpredictable environment.

How do I deal with it? I feel it and immediately identify it. Next, I logically deal with it and dissect it. Then I logically override what I am feeling by crudely saying, “FUCK IT…I’M GOING IN” and then DO IT. I’ve done this some many times at this point, I am kind of desensitized to it, but it is always still there…if we could attach ourselves to heart rates monitors, you would see a little bleep here and there…the point it, at a TOP PUA level, it doesn’t CONTROL us…we CONTROL it!

One final note. ALCOHOL is not a solution for AA. You can drink to be social, unwind, and have fun with the boys when gaming, but drinking should not be a tool to combat AA. In fact, drinking more than a few drinks impairs my game. If I am being filmed or I have some audience, I am in top form with one beer maximum if any.

I once had a bootcamp student in Los Angeles, and I kid you not, had eight shots of tequila before he opened one single set. I felt really bad for him. His approach anxiety was BAD…he looked like he was really in pain. I’ve had grown men start crying when I try to push them to open (some were ex-military). AA is very real and no joke and if you don’t understand it, de-fang it, and control it…it can SEVERERLY lower the quality of your life by destroying so many possibilities. I think back to all those years, I was clueless about game and girls and all the potential LOVES I’ve lost…all the popular girls in high school that I could’ve gotten…oh well, fuck it…going to plow forward! To briefly reference my “Excuse Master” post…I believe this is many times the true culprit behind all those fantastic rationalizations we have to not go into a set or not call a girl the next day.

I am not above my humanity either…I feel it same as you. I am not always as strong as I would like to be and am imperfect in many ways…what I strive for is a higher level of awareness and execution of my elaborate plans for this life with the ultimate goal of what I perceive to be happiness.

DarkPrince
03-05-2007, 06:22 AM
First of all Great post and explanation!
Something hit me about AA last night, I thought it was not a big deal.. than i saw this, might as well share...
But I do agree of where it came from, and why its there.

Us as human beings help AA is strengthened by addentional mindsets as kids.
the one of the most important phrases I remember as a kid was "Dont talk to strangers"

sure, you can say Its only for protection, and I completly agree, but after years of this, and I mean years of having this engraved in your heads, It can only make you avoid conversation with a total stranger.

now if there was a way to reverse this thinking process...

This is something just poped in my head, and I figured you guys could expand on it :)

best of guards
-Prince

Mild_Seven
03-05-2007, 08:59 AM
Good breakdown, Matador.

After I've warmped up, I can usually just say fuck it and move in. But that's tough for the first few sets. Recently I've been doing something with a friend of mine that eases the anxiety. We play the opener challenge game, in which I give my friend a word, and he has to open with a sentence that includes that word...and I don't tell him the word until we're right near the set. He has to move in and make up an opener with almost no time so he has no time to get nervous over how hot the girl is, and since I gave him the word he doesn't feel any responsibility for the outcome of the set. I gave him "monkey", "potato" etc. He gave me "cigarette burn", "omae", (a rude way to address someone in Japanese), "wooly mammoth", crazy shit. We come up with openers so weird that we're sure the girls have never heard them before. These sets usually end up being the best of the night. The best part is that if you get blown out, it's your friend's fault because he's the one who came up with the lame-ass word.:D

This game is nothing new and I don't take credit for it. But for me it's a good way to get over AA.

sting
03-05-2007, 09:25 AM
I don't know about the evolutionary explanation. IMO, its simpler than that.

in my experience -
when approaching people (guys, girls, old, young) with no INTENT to PU, i get little and usually no AA at all

when approaching people with the INTENT to PU, i get AA in varying forms and degrees.



conclusion - approach anxiety is a product of the awareness of your own INTENT in approaching.

cheers,
Sting

OPEN-FIRE
03-05-2007, 03:22 PM
I don't know about the evolutionary explanation. IMO, its simpler than that.

in my experience -
when approaching people (guys, girls, old, young) with no INTENT to PU, i get little and usually no AA at all

when approaching people with the INTENT to PU, i get AA in varying forms and degrees.



conclusion - approach anxiety is a product of the awareness of your own INTENT in approaching.

cheers,
Sting

i agree with sting.

its not hard wired.

Nitro
03-05-2007, 04:33 PM
I get a buzz when I allow myself to fully experience the AA and open the set anyway.

Eric in CA
03-05-2007, 08:30 PM
i agree with sting.

its not hard wired.

Just because it depends on your intent does not mean it is not hard wired.

The intent is in fact what triggers the anxiety producing circuitry.

Taiji
03-05-2007, 10:03 PM
excellent post man
you can understand it, deal with it, but it's a natural body response. you can't get rid of it, you just have to accept it.

Thor
03-06-2007, 06:20 AM
Just because it depends on your intent does not mean it is not hard wired.

The intent is in fact what triggers the anxiety producing circuitry.

AA comes into play when your subconscious perceives that you are actively trying to find a mate. If your just out having fun and meeting new friends then there is no reason for your body to perceive any danger.

Taiji
03-06-2007, 07:45 AM
I'd like to add something here, a quote from "feel the fear and do it anyway" by susan jeffers:

FEAR TRUTHS
1. The fear will never go away as long as I continue to grow.
2. The only way to get rid of the fear of doing something is to go out ... and do it.
3. The only way to feel better about myself is to go out ... and do it.
4. Not only am I going to experience fear whenever I'm on unfamiliar territory, but so is everyone else.
5. Pushing through fear is less frightening than living with the underlying fear that comes from a feeling of helplessness.

Dynamism
05-06-2007, 09:17 AM
I'm interested to see what everyone makes of this:
http://www.charismaarts.com/blog/Dimitri/155

It's a totally different theory of AA, than what Mystery/VA explains.

Showcase
05-06-2007, 09:50 AM
That was a great article written by Dmitri, but the fact is I always get AA to some degree when I'm going out in the field.

You basically just have to try and ignore AA, and it only really sticks around until you open your first couple of sets, and then it turns into this amazing feeling like you are on fire and can open any sets...the pain period is definitly worth this feeling.

Another thing that you can do is focus on whats happening in the Now, and don't get stuck in your head thinking about things.

Dynamism
05-06-2007, 10:07 AM
That's true, it can get addicting. But I don't know, at the core I'm still interested to know if "AA" is really intended as positive energy as Dimitri states, or whether it is simply fear, as VA and most others state. (BUT, you HAVE to interpret it as positive energy, even if it isn't in fact. It's all in the mind. Facts are something else.)

More specifically, I'm interested if this is the fact:
Some of the leaders of the seduction community had attempted to justify the wrong label by explaining that in their opinion the so-called Approach Anxiety is a psychobiological response genetically pre-programmed in the ancient tribal society when a man could have been killed for approaching a woman that belonged to the leader of the tribe. I find this explanation false, because according to this very explanation only the descendants of the tribal leaders could have survived to our age, and these descendants by definition could not have such response genetically pre-programmed because their predecessors, the tribal leaders, would not have to deal with the threat of being killed, due to the fact that they were the ones who did all the scaring and murdering.

The above certainly makes more sense.

sting
05-06-2007, 02:00 PM
Dynamism,
thanks for bringing this article into the discussion.

I do NOT believe that AA is hardwired and never have. before finding the community, i would approach now and then, i would chicken out now and then and it wouldn't occur to me to approach usually. AFTER finding the community, i stopped approaching altogether for awhile out of AA.

Why? - the pressure of raised expectations.

Tyler D. recently made a point about this (he's been cracking jokes about 'poooahhh' identity for awhile now) - how only "pua's" get approach anxiety when they're approaching a girl they're not even attracted to. its because they need the interaction to go well to validate themselves - the girl is not a factor in the approacher's AA/emotional response. this feels right and lines up with my experience.

it was somewhat irresponsible of Mystery - 'world greatest PUA' or not - to make this explanation of AA. how is he qualified to explain evolutionary mechanisms?

As Dynamism says, your better of thinking about AA from Dimitri's perspective - it makes your role easier! - so better to go with it.

THE NATURE ANGLE - Never really thought about it that way before, though. If there is a genetic component to this, THEN LOGICALLY, the gentically gifted person is the one who wouldn't have AA - because its the Gene Pool's/Mother Nature's will that they have an easy time of it. so why give them anxiety as they do the will of nature? the people who had to learn how to attract a mate the hard way (like most of us), would have AA, we've only overcome our genetic 'defeciencies' through nurture.

THE NURTURE ANGLE - imagine if you'd only ever been exposed to the idea of AA as a way of putting you at your best to approach women (as opposed to it having historical consequences of having your genes weeded out of existence). Wouldn't that have made approaching a lot easier?

Also, wherever AA comes from and whatever it is, if you expose yourself to the idea of it being a negative thing - you ARE NURTURING that, and most of us in the community have. Lots of guys don't get AA at certain times and some claim never to get it - if guys like Mystery and Matador (who have presumably done more approaching than just about anyone) - then it must be because they've NURTURED the idea that its inevitable to the point where it is for them.

Anyways, AA or no AA, natural or nurtured - approach away gentlemen!

Sting

PizzaLord
05-06-2007, 03:15 PM
Am I the only person here that NEVER gets AA ?

I have just learnt to not care about the outcome of the approach, if I get the girl, if I get blown out etc.... etc ... I just do not care.

The only reason people get AA as far as I can tell is that they do not feel they can HANDLE what might happen. I know I can so I don't care.

Casimir
05-06-2007, 03:29 PM
Am I the only person here that NEVER gets AA?

I don't believe you. If this is true, you need a better explanation. I approach girls who I don't care about either but I still get lots of AA.

Dynamism
05-06-2007, 03:50 PM
The only time I haven't gotten AA was when:

a) I approached with the intent of asking for directions ONLY. (I really needed directions for something, PU or anything of that nature hadn't even passed my mind. I hadn't even considered them as suitors or someone I was trying to pick up on. It really was an innocent question.)
b) When I got a lot of AA initially, but then I just got into it and started opening with momentum.

So yes, I don't believe you don't get AA if you find them attractive and are trying to get anywhere.

PizzaLord
05-06-2007, 04:23 PM
I don't believe you. If this is true, you need a better explanation. I approach girls who I don't care about either but I still get lots of AA.

It's a zen thing. Even if I am talking to a HB10 I honestly do not care about the outcome.

Of course I want it to go well but at the same time I do not care if it does not.

Not sure how else to explain other than to say that I have learnt to let go.

It's kind of like throwing a dart at a dartboard and just not caring if I hit it or not. That does not mean I am sloppy in my PU technique. I totally concentrate on good gaming technique and, as long as I ran a good game, I am happy. If I didn't then it was a learning experience so, either way, I win.

These days I just run game and don't even ask for the girl's phone number. It's great to come across as NOT one of those guys who comes up and tries to chat a girl up and ask for a number.

Sometimes I even use the "you know those lame guys who come up and say - hey you are cute, can I have your number etc - I am not one of those guys. I know if a girl is interested in giving me her number then she will volunteer it. I am not going to ask for it". If I say this and I have been running good game then they usually give me their number at this point. How cool is that? Getting a girl to give you her number by telling her that you are not going to ask for it.

If you run good game you do not need to desire anything. I have successfully gamed girls and have never at any point asked them their name, their phone number or if they want to go out / meet up again. They have volunteered all the info and chased me for dates. It's great !

Pussypilot
05-07-2007, 08:01 AM
When i go in i think: "i could not talk to this lowie or i could talk to her and try and put her on her back within a week or two". Its upto me and i might as well do it coz if u dont shoot you cant score. I honestly dont care about these chicks and to prove this i can honestly say ive gone through a few girls ive been gamings' handbags. These people are just a game to me so i dont care about what they think and at the end of the day its just a laugh for me. Ive gone in and been blown out before and said things like "Your loss then bitch" and "Your a chat mut anyways i only hit on you as a dare", just for a laugh in front of the boys

Nels
11-03-2008, 05:30 PM
Great Post Sensei,

I used to have monster approach anxiety. I read a book that pointed out that there is no difference physically between "excitement" and "anxiety", except your interpretation of the event. Your body goes through exactly the same thing. Two guys jumping out of an airplane will feel essentally the same emotions. One guy says that he was "excited" while another feels "fear" or "anxiety".

Now I reframe the feeling. Calling it "approach excitement" instead of "approach anxiety" helps me get through it. You still have to push through it, but for me it is easier.

--NN

blue81
11-04-2008, 05:02 AM
totally agree to nel's statement well said