Bodybuilding

[Matador]

Bodybuilding

When I was around 21, I got into bodybuilding. I played football, basketball, martial arts, track, & pole-vaulting in high-school. I grew up in Texas and being big and muscular increased your social value immensely (as most high schools I assume).

When I turned 21, I started to lift for aesthetic purposes, not just for athletic performance. At my peak I managed to get to 245 and 3.8% body fat benching 450lbs for 4-5 reps.

In short, I looked like a real amateur bodybuilder. Anybody who knows me from a couple of years ago can attest to that.

Here is my experience of various dynamics during my journey.

ATTENTION FROM WOMEN

This result was two-fold. I am around 6’2”. When I hit around 205 at 5% body fat, I noticed a night and day difference with women throwing IOIs at me. When I started to increase to 220lbs at 6% I noticed it started to go down. When I hit 245lbs @ 6-7% body fat I noticed it go down a lot. Some girls would still throw IOIs, but most were scared of me. In addition, some simply gave me deliberate IODs.

To put 205@5% into perspective: It would look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club or Troy.

At 220lbs@6%, it would look The Rock in Scorpion King.

At 245lbs@6-7% body fat, it would look freakish and like the guys on the cover of Muscle and Fitness and maybe FLEX (the guys on the cover of FLEX are pros and still are at another level above).

This was back before I knew anything about the community. In my mind:

More Muscle = More Social Value = More Women.

My conclusion: The Brad Pitt Fight Club look works the best for pua goals.

RESPECT FROM MEN

QUICK NOTE: Bodybuilding and fighting are two different art forms. Weight training-not bodybuilding-helps the latter. Do not think that just because you are big you can fuck with anyone. There are some scary cats out there. Avoid fights if possible is my best advice. It is not conducive to our survival goals.

Pros and Cons here: On one hand, you almost get instant respect from men. Men simply do not want to fuck with you. From bouncers, businessmen, athletes, musicians…etc. They all start throwing submission IOIs to let you know you’ve got them in this area. Some want to align with you, some want to distance themselves from you, and some outright resent you and talk shit behind your back.

Another pattern I observed. Rich guys will want to be seen with you (when you’re really big). They will want you to roll in their entourage. They will buy you drinks, throw women on you, and introduce you as their friend.

Cool guys, who you want to be like, will give you a level of respect instantly into their social circle, provided you are not a socially unintelligent person. In other words, they will give you access to their world, provided you don’t do anything stupid.

People in general will give you compliance easier. It’s the small things you notice in everyday situations from waiters, people standing in line...etc.

One funny story, I ran a red light at about 60mph, simply because I thought I could make in the yellow on pacific coast highway. I was in a national park and I noticed the park ranger slow down as I sped up. I was going to try to make the light and he was going wait for the next one. I ran it and he turned his sirens on and pulled me over. Why would I do such a thing you may ask? Well, I didn’t think these guys handled traffic violations. I thought they monitored park activity such as fires, vandalism...etc., things like that. In short, it was stupid, but that’s what my rationalization was at the time. As he is pulling me over, he asks me if I have been drinking which I said no and then asked me to step out of the car. After I did, he took one look at me and asked me, “Why shouldn’t I give you a ticket.” I told him, “that was a completely stupid thing I did and it won’t happen again.” He let me go! Some may say that was completely random. However, I disagree. Nothing is completely random, nothing is an accident. Even if people themselves are not aware of what they are doing, they’re emotions are reacting nevertheless. In this instance, his emotions & logic decided to give me a pass, if I simply gave him this one little compliance test. He didn’t want a cute logical answer, but wanted an emotional one. Notice how I never answered the question that he asked? Why would he do this in the first place? I believe, by the intimidation factor of this huge guy being presented to him on a one-on-one basis on the side of the road.

Women will want to show you off. Hold your arm like they are so proud to be there. Even though it all breaks down to value, there is nothing like seeing the love and adulation in a young girl’s face as she is looking at you and you know it is real.

CONFIDENCE

At gladiator dimensions, you’re CONFIDENCE is SUPER-HUMAN. I am not saying it is entirely real…just describing how you FEEL. You feel entitled to any girl in the venue. You FEEL entitled to TAKE what you WANT. You feel like you can slam dunk a basketball (which I could barely do)…you FEEL like you can accomplish anything after enduring the discipline and pain it takes to get there. YOU FEEL FUCKING AWESOME. Almost anything you wear looks good, you feel like a Ferrari on a road filled with Cadillacs. You feel peaceful. You feel clean. You feel energetic. You feel younger. You feel like you’re not aging. You feel DANGEROUS. Your feel POWERFUL…physically & mentally. Remember, don’t go into the gym get up to 225lb on bench with a gut and say you don’t feel these things. This is how I felt when my body was at a level where someone would pay me to photograph it.

HOW TO GET GOOD

A rough but effective game plan to get your body to where you want it to be is a follows:

First, outsource the knowledge. A lot of you guys are busy on your wealth and relationship nodes of your life. You don’t need to immerse yourself in the world of bodybuilding. Here is the solution and eventually you will acquire the knowledge yourself.

Find a trainer that LOOKS like a bodybuilder from a reputable GYM. You may not want to look like him, but he will have the knowledge and drive to take you to where you want to go because he has done it himself. They may be exceptions to the rule; however, I don’t want to waste any time finding out. Also, you have to believe in your trainer as a teacher/role model and he needs to earn that respect as he is yelling at you to grunt out another rep on the leg press as you have a white-hot burn going through your legs.

Second, you must hit your training, diet, supplementation, and rest in unison. If anyone of those areas is left undone, you will not get the “Perfect Look”. There are some major mistakes I see a lot of guys do. The will either:

1) Over train
2) Not know how to train, but think they do after reading a few pages of muscle and fitness.
3) Train and then go eat a pizza afterwards and wonder why their ab wall doesn’t show after the million crunches leg raises that they’ve done.
4) Not rest enough…I knew one guy do did fifteen sets of 8 on bench press as his first chest exercise! WTF!
5) I saw this same guy repping with the same weight for about 2 years!

The list could go on an on. In short, seek out those you have the knowledge and motivation that you need TODAY and who have proven successful at the task you are about to perform.

Here is a rough summary:

1) Seek out a QUALIFIED TRAINER based on my text above (this is an important step).
2) Follow his instructions exactly…believe in him even if you don’t see results at first. (That’s why step #1 is important, he needs to inspire, motivate, and earn your respect).
3) Believe that this body (the archetype I found the best for our PUA goals) is something worthy and worth fighting for. You have to want it. I illustrated my experience, so you’d know it is a huge DHV prop to your avatar.


CONCLUSION

For RELATIONSHIP purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

For HEALTH purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

For WEALTH purposes…I think it is an excellent sport that does provide the ROI you are looking for.

In this regard, remember I mentioned that High-Value guys will want to align with you. I can’t tell you how many different wealth-building alignments are spawned from guys wanting to be your friend and throwing value your way.


All-in-all the BODYBUILDING activity permeates through multiple areas of your life that are consistent with PUA goals. I high recommend it for the reasons in this post.

[Good]

Good post. I have been competitive in bdybuilding when I was in my early 20's and still exercise daily. Not as big as I was back then but still muscular enough to get me noticed. Huge return on investment.

[Dynamism]

I started a year ago and I love it. That's what got me more confidence, which also got me into PUA.

It's addicting. All these physical and psychological self-improvement plans accomplish so much in terms of self-esteem.

I do have a sticking-point, I can't gain enough weight. I'm not that big in the first place.
I know to eat every three-hours, and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. I think it's all self-discipline.

But body-building and PU are both my passions.

[d-man]

Great post. I actually JUST joined 24 hour fitness this week and plan to get my feet wet, because I literally know nothing.

[Matador]

to do this right, make sure you GET A TRAINER WHO LOOKS LIKE A BODYBUILDER.

some guys who are new, jump in too fast, jump in too slow, or don't know what they are doing, get discouraged and quit.

if you can pull this off (and you will) and achieve that look, you will feel you have a new lease on life...combined with tight game...you're lethal.

remember, this whole this is one more prop for your A2, but a damn good one.

[Rocco]

Ok to do all this, but I think if you don't have the right genetics and you didn't start training before the age of 26 or so, you have almost no chance to get the "Brad Pitt Fight Club" look. (I hope I'm wrong :D )

Anyway what counts is the effort and not the goal.

[Matador]

fair,...this is a logical conclusion (story/law) that you've come to and if prevents you from taking action...then there is nothing much else i can say...however, if I can find one example that contradicts this...then would you entertain the possibility that it might be an theory and not a law...or even a refuted theory...if that is the case then a cause for inaction would not exist and you could give it a shot.

in my personal experience, i have seen 50+ old guys walking around with six packs...don't get me wrong, it takes a lot of hard work and the road is harder, but still possible.

[hyper]

Madador, you said you did martial arts. Did you feel that you got more benefits from that or going to the gym? I mean knowing that you can kick anyone's ass anytime must feel pretty dam fucking good.

[Matador]

bodybuilding for our goals (and I mean more than just picking up chicks)...it is more visual, compliments your avatar, and subcommunicates so many characterstics about yourself that are good for PU (if you'll notice..all the RSD boys have seem to undergone, some bodybuilding overhaul...maybe it's a new company policy or something:)

fighting is a good survial skillset if you're under attack...I actually hate it, but learnt it to protect myself growing up as I got into alot of fights. You can't bring that into the public gathering or do high kicks in the air to convey personality. Well, I guess technically you can, but will look like a JACKASS.

fyi, "kicking anyone's ass" is a dangerous mind-set and one I definetly do not endorse...there are some genuine killers that I've met that scare the shit out of me! Like a 20yr kid who almost broke my arm in 30 seconds on the jiu-jitsu mat, had I tapped out a couple seconds later...thank god it was practice and not real! I'll avoid a fight like the plague if I can for legal, health, and karmic reasons.

[CPeters]

fair,...this is a logical conclusion (story/law) that you've come to and if prevents you from taking action...then there is nothing much else i can say...however, if I can find one example that contradicts this...then would you entertain the possibility that it might be an theory and not a law...or even a refuted theory...if that is the case then a cause for inaction would not exist and you could give it a shot.

in my personal experience, i have seen 50+ old guys walking around with six packs...don't get me wrong, it takes a lot of hard work and the road is harder, but still possible.

I don't rate six packs, I had one for five years or so, doing 1500 situps a week at peak, it doesn't impress women because generally they can't see it except at the swimming pool. Pecks they can see if you can get the weight up a ton.

I've been doing bridging for six months or so, it is a great joy to me to see all those subsidary stomach muscles Rocky has coming out. I really spend little time doing them so its quite surprising, the magic pill of stomach exercises, IMO.

It's quite easy to spend just a little bit more on your diet, and eat healthier versions of the stuff you already eat, 1% fat milk, super lean beef, etc, all helps gradually reduce the body fat, painlessly.

[Solus]

Can you guys gimme some advice? At the moment I am nowhere near the shape I'd like to be.

I'm 6'2", 18% body fat and 189 pounds. My BMI is about my age; 25.

What's the best way for me to get in better shape?

Cardio work out? Resistance training?

My first priority is to get rid of the excess fat. About two weeks ago I joined a gym and am now doing a 45 min cardio workout 4/5 times a week. I'm just wondering if it might be a better idea to find a resistance training plan. Would that help me get rid of the fat better than the cardio work out by putting my bodies energies into building muscle?

[TheCoolerKing]

Ya I feel that I first have to lose weight to get anywhere.

And I have been running for about 30 min each day but then had to stop cause of school starting to become more stressful.

I stopped doing bench press and went with free weights, using a technique called dynamic tension with low weight. Which really did a good job toning my forearms.
Then I would do some of the machine weights. Then run for 30 which was really on an eliptical machine.
Do you recommend those? It seemed like it was doing a lot of work for me.

I didnt notice any fucking results from this.
But I think my problem is the shitty campus food here at College.



I should really start back working out...

[DrSwift]

absolutely agreed.

I was training last year and was really starting to see results coming on. It was great. Required a lot of control of my diet, high protein intake, optimum training. It was all going great.

Then (and here's the warning for folks):

Around a big set of examinations I stopped training completely.

Might not seem too bad but as you increase in size you start increasing your BMR. Your calorific intake will actually increase (despite the fact that you're not eating a hell of a lot of bad foods it takes a lot of protein to maintain high weight).

Anyway I really wasn't *that* far into my training when I stopped. Enough that I could see the results clearly and that I was starting to get the 'do you work out' question a lot. The results of stopping were astounding........Muscle dissappered over a couple of months and my body fat crept up.

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Anyway I've just started again - arms are nicely sore with the good old DOMS now.

You're also absolutely right about finding someone with the knowlege. My wing Mist is a professional personal training - and a top knotch one at that - he came over and gave me pointers. It was ASTOUNDING the difference he made to my training.

The difference was simply night and day.

Give me a few months and I'll be on my way to being built once more ;)

Swift.

[TheCoolerKing]

I guess this thread did inspire me.

I just came back from working out and eating as healthy as I could.

I did some free weights, then the machine weights-both arms and legs.
In a way I tired to max out on the machines. But stopping at the end of a set and holding out the bar or whatever, then doing a few quick reps without going all the back to start position.
That made it burn.

Then I went on a eliptical for 30 min. Burned about 430 calories and got my heart rate up to about 180....according to the machines computer.

Then I went to the dining hall, which at the time I went didnt have much of a selection. Only things open was the salad bar and the deil. I wasnt too sure on getting a sandwich since I usually pile shit on it so I started off with a huge ass salad instead. Put ham, green peppers, some kind of cheese but its good, chic peas, onions with the salad then topped it off with italian dressing.
Then I had a small bowl of granola with about a cup of skim milk.


I grabbed two apples for later but I dont know if I should eat them because it was found that the futrose in apples really makes you feel more hungry.

But ya, I feel nutrion is my biggest problem pertaining to this. Cause of the dining halls really, a lot of the food that supposed to be healthy really isnt because of the way they cook it.

[DarkPrince]

for ABS

I just started using this vid... and well :) try it for a week.. And tell me how YOU like it first hand...I like the results im getting...
but keep in mind... in ANY work out.. Its not How many you do, or how much weight you do... If you can do 3... do 3, but do it RIGHT!!

at first I couldnt do any push ups... but i started and soon, I started doing them to Resistance Bands...

anyways try the video, i think its quite and VERY well done..

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/393890/power_90_workout/


Good luck brothers
-Prince

[obie]

The 4 best ab exercises EVER for functional ab strength (not just for show).

1) Inhale 75%. Flex your butthole like you are stopping yourself from taking a shit and pinch your buttcheeks together. Flex your abs, and the whole midsection HARD like you are trying to squeeze out a massive shit. Once you pressurize the abs slowly let the air out to a 5-10 count. At the end release the tension and exhale the remaining air forcefully.

2) Keep your feet planted and twist your body around in a cricle. Relax your arms. They should swing in an arc. When they wrap around your body reverse direction. Any twisting motion is great for the abs.

3) Ab rollouts. Get a power wheel and do rollouts or pikes.

4) Planks. Get into pushups position and lower your forearms to the ground. Keeping your body STRAIGHT, hold this position for time. 1 minute is good. 5 minutes is great. Ten minutes is SICK! (Pinching the buttcheeks really helps)

Bridging is also a very good full body exercise.

I was fucking MAJORLY into working out a while ago, then I stopped, principally because I got bored. Since becoming a vegetarian a couple months ago I've gotten FAT. I don't like it.

Here I publicly declare my intention to get back into KICKASS shape.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Really great post M. Really helpful on the deminishing returns based on size.

When I bought one of Tony Robbins programs it had a video where he talked about and demonstrated being able to gain up to 25 pounds of muscle within 10 weeks. The method also allows you to decrease the time you spend in the gym working out. I've been getting back in the gym and revisiting the method.

It's called "Static Contraction" and there's a really good book out by the creators Peter Sisco & John R. Little that has clinical studies and proof the method works.

Book Description
"This is truly an incredible discovery that could cause physiology books to be rewritten." -- Ironman Magazine

"A thorough, productive weight workout in less than three minutes? You better believe it! Larger muscles. Stronger techniques. Fewer injuries. What more do you want?" -- Martial Arts Training Magazine

From bodybuilding and fitness pioneers Peter Sisco and John R. Little comes this revolutionary guide to building maximum muscle size and strength--using workouts that last as little as two minutes! Based on the authors' groundbreaking new research, Static Contraction Training reveals how a program consisting of only six 15 to 30second exercises per workout will build muscle size and strength more efficiently than any other method. Learn firsthand the concepts that are revolutionizing bodybuilding, including:
- Why training more than once a week--or longer than five minutes--can compromise your progress
- How to stimulate maximum muscle mass
- Nutritional fact vs. fiction
- Gaining muscle without fat
- Your weak link and how to overcome it in your next workout
- The "law" that guarantees you huge muscle growth Whether you are a weekend athlete, beginning bodybuilder, or champion, the information in this book will forever change the way you view bodybuilding and strength training exercise.

Check it out on yahoo if interested:
http://www.amazon.com/Static-Contraction-Training-Peter-Sisco/dp/0809229072/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1356816-8855140?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1172985174&sr=8-1

[Matador]

To everyone asking for specific advice on training programs...here is my suggestion...seek out someone in your life...a trainer or friend who is looks like you want to look and follow thier advice...the road consists of knowledge and motivation and is a long-term strategy.

[helo]

Pros and Cons here: On one hand, you almost get instant respect from men. Men simply do not want to fuck with you. From bouncers, businessmen, athletes, musicians…etc. They all start throwing submission IOIs to let you know you’ve got them in this area. Some want to align with you, some want to distance themselves from you, and some outright resent you and talk shit behind your back.

Another pattern I observed. Rich guys will want to be seen with you (when you’re really big). They will want you to roll in their entourage. They will buy you drinks, throw women on you, and introduce you as their friend.

Cool guys, who you want to be like, will give you a level of respect instantly into their social circle, provided you are not a socially unintelligent person. In other words, they will give you access to their world, provided you don’t do anything stupid.

People in general will give you compliance easier. It’s the small things you notice in everyday situations from waiters, people standing in line...etc.


Great thread...and I can vouch from personal experience that getting a trainer is the way to go. I've been lifting for years and making little progress...then I got a trainer and realized a bunch of stuff I was doing wrong, not only with the weights but my diet.

Matador, I'm curious about how height factors in here...do you think the "respect you get from men" would occur for a guy who is average height, like 5'8", even if he got down to 5% body fat and up to a respectable weight (say 170lbs)? My impression has been height is more of a factor here (in terms of getting other guys to supplicate to you) than build or body fat, assuming you aren't super-skinny. To phrase another way, if a guy is 5'8"...is time better spent developing personality-based game or getting ripped?

Helo

[Matador]

First, game is more important than any of this. I am suggesting bodybuilding as a sport to supplement your game and serve other areas of your life.

Second, height does play a factor, but at 5' 8", provided your big and ripped will look impressive...combined with the right clothing that shows off and does not look try hard...if can be a big advantage.

[Levo]

I took weight training as a class this semester to hopefully bulk up and lose some body fat but so far the guys has been terrible, canceling class all the time and having us play ultimate frizbee instead of sticking to our workout schedule.

But other than that the big thing holding me back has been food. I LOVE it. And I cant stand that hungry feeling when youve eaten your correct ammount of calorie intake for the day but you still want to eat a whale.

Oh well. Just more shit to overcome. Being slightly overweight is a DLV and fucking annoying. I'll get there.

[TomSawyer]

Matador, what is your opinion on Body For Life by Bill Phillips?

I have been using his program since late August, and have noticed some difference in my body, but would like to speed up the results. Any way to do this or are there no short cuts on this path?

thanks

-TomSawyer

[Matador]

once again...a good trainer who looks the part can show you the way.

[Adamm]

I was going to PM this question to the OP, but I think it's of general interest. The question is a bit sensitive, but I think it needs to be asked: in your experience, do most individuals who attain the type of physique you describe: extremely ripped/very low body fat/ridiculous mass do so in a "natural" manner? Or, does this typically, or sometimes, require illegal supplements?

By way of comparison:
6'2" and 180+ sounds about right for an average/lean physique, and 200 lbs. or so would indicate a muscular physique as the OP says. Adding 40 additional pounds of lean mass in addition sounds like (because it is) a big jump up. For example, most power forwards in the NBA are around 6' 8" and 245. Elite professional wrestlers, who are absolutely gigantic, are often in the 6' 240 lb. range, for purposes of comparison.

Also, might it be possible to obtain similar compliance and respect through other means? For example, I happen to know people who are of average size but who have extremely loud and deep voices. I've literally seen such people intimidate others just by ordering a soda at a foodstand. No kidding. And they are not deliberately trying to gain compliance or social proof; they are just speaking in a normal tone of voice and people get out of their way.


Adamm

Bodybuilding
ATTENTION FROM WOMEN

This result was two-fold. I am around 6’2”. When I hit around 205 at 5% body fat, I noticed a night and day difference with women throwing IOIs at me. When I started to increase to 220lbs at 6% I noticed it started to go down. When I hit 245lbs @ 6-7% body fat I noticed it go down a lot. Some girls would still throw IOIs, but most were scared of me. In addition, some simply gave me deliberate IODs.

[Matador]

Good question,

I will say that it is very hard to get past amateur and stay away from drugs.

I will say that you can get below and up to amateur with or, and if genetically gifted, without supplements from health food stores.

But these are just word games aren't they? If a drug is something that is defined as artificial and chemically alter's your body, then aren't vitamins drugs...isn't creatine a drug...isn't hydroxycut (fat burner) a drug...isn't even altering your diet an attempt to alter your body's chemical composition a drug? All these remedies are legal, but philosophically, these and illegal drugs are doing the same thing. I would suggest doing whatever is safe for your body. That is up to you to educate yourself on and decide which calculated risks you are willing to take.

For your height 199-205 at around 6% is a VERY realistic drug-free goal and you will look awesome.

Bodybuilding is not the solution for pua or life...it is simply one more tool in your arsenal that works well...there are other tools...if you choose to develop other tools...more power to you.

[Taiji]

hey matador
just out of curiosity
can you post a picture of yourself in the ideal body state?

[DarkPrince]

So i been doing abs workouts for the past 3 days... and well.. my lower Abdomin is still not showing.. (this is based on body fat),

As for the top part of my abs when I sit down, breathe out, or lay back Its noticible the line down the middle of the abs(yet not the actual muscle).. which goes down about half way...than there is the the lower part...

which isnt really bad.. its just annoying that half of it is gettign inshape and the other half isnt...I do work out both of the muscles, and have cut back tremendously on fatty foods and carbs, and have gone down to Water insted of drinking juice(most had sugar).

so. any suggestions of exercises of getting more workout on the lower part of the abdomain? the ones I am currently doing is : Leg rises, Adv. Leg rise, and sitting on my butt and lifting both legs up and moving them 10 times clock wise and than 10 times counter. I have heard that the whole "thrust" technique would be good for the lower part but I dont feel anything doing it.

Any suggestions or tips from you guys would be appriciated.

thanks
-Prince

p.s. I could take a pic and link it to see my situation...


P.s.s http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/DarkPrince101/Photo-0094.jpg thats what i got so far.. I wanna tone it out.. but :(

[Thor]

hey matador
just out of curiosity
can you post a picture of yourself in the ideal body state?

Does this scare anyone else?

Just fucking with you man. Sort of......

[Taiji]

lol i meant that in a totally non-homosexual "pictures illustrate the point better and this is what worked for him" way

[Thor]

lol i meant that in a totally non-homosexual "pictures illustrate the point better and this is what worked for him" way

Lol its cool bro I know what you meant.

[Satan]

I like this post because I started off weight training 5 years ago and it's changed my life. When I used to fake tan up and wear tight tshirts I'd have nights where girls would AI me constantly, I'd feel like a rockstar.

I reccomend,

-researching like crazy (www.bodybuilding.com)
-focus on diet and sups (whey, nlarge2, creatine)
-buy some cheap weights and train at home for a few weeks
-go to a gym and seek guidance
-then maybe in the future invest in a good home gym. I'd have given up a long time ago if my weights weren't close.

Also take regular photos (1 a week), nothings more motovating than seeing a change. I post a weekly pic on Myspace so if I've been slacking the world can see it.

S*

[Adamm]

Come on, you post on a seduction forum implying that someone here is gay? Wait! I thought this was the Savoy thread!

But seriously, all Matador is saying is that women find physically fit men attractive. Go to an extreme, however, and then all sorts of stereotypes come into play: the dumb jock, cro magnon man, etc. The typical middle class and upper middle class hottie favors, as Matador has pointed out, a lean, athletic build.


Adamm

[Luxberry]

First - great thread. A lot of people just "don't get this." I'm tall as well(6'5) and I noticed my best weight was when I was playing college football - I was around 255 at about 10-12% bodyfat, I literally turned the heads of every person in the room when I would walk through the doors. At 220 and 6% bodyfat, this wasn't the case, yet I still got a ton of looks, just not the same ones where girls would literally run up to me, stand so close their titties would be on my chest and look into my eyes wanting me to hit on them(true story). I've let myself "go" the last 2 years but I'm getting back into it and feeling great.

For anyone interested in program design, etc... the best site I have ever found is - www.t-nation.com

They post articles daily on nutrition, techniques, etc... best programs IMO are by Christian Thibadeu(look under authors on the left) and the best nutrition systems are by John Berardi.

Believe me when I say, t-nation is the ONLY website you need to accomplish your goals.

With that said I do have one question for Matador - how do you balance a body building lifestyle with going out sarging? Is it possible because your job(I'm assuming VA is your only job) allows you to sleep in, etc..? Are you keeping protein shakes/grilled chicken in your car for as soon as the bar closes? Venue changing to Dennys or something and just eating omelette's? These have been my hardest problems with getting back into shape - balancing the PU time with it. I notice if I eat around 9pm, by 12:30-1:00am I am STARVING. I can't even think/open, etc...

[Nutz]

Heh, the only drawback to being big and/or strong is you're the first person everyone thinks of when its time to move.

[Thor]

I just started working out about a week ago and I have to say, the confidence you get from it is amazing. There is no reason that everyone shouldnt be working out.

[Mehow]

btw, for those of you who haven't seen matador recently he is now positivley huge. he is a bodybuilding matster, just 4 months ago he got started again seriously and now he looks bad ass. I was on the same diet and schedule for a while and it was putting the huge on me too ... but then i got injured and am now recovering so i can get back to it.

I love bodybuilding though. Love it - its my favorite thing! I miss it a ton.

The nice body definitley tweaks your results a bit towards the positive. Matador and Mystery are tied for closes last I counted at the house. Although Matador was doing that before he got started on his schedule.

I think the biggest reason to bodybuild is for innner game and health and the fact that at some point in your life you might have to carry something.

-m

[CPeters]

Hey matador, I have bits of thin purple skin zigging down from my armpits to my biceps, which I think are stretch marks, what should I be taking to strengthen my skin?

[ax_tor]

link....johnberardi.com

[Luxberry]

With that said I do have one question for Matador - how do you balance a body building lifestyle with going out sarging? Is it possible because your job(I'm assuming VA is your only job) allows you to sleep in, etc..? Are you keeping protein shakes/grilled chicken in your car for as soon as the bar closes? Venue changing to Dennys or something and just eating omelette's? These have been my hardest problems with getting back into shape - balancing the PU time with it. I notice if I eat around 9pm, by 12:30-1:00am I am STARVING. I can't even think/open, etc...

I'm sure he's out fucking more girls than me, but if any TRUE brothers of the iron could tell me how to handle themselves when the craving comes in the middle of a set!

[Superfreak]

There is no cut off or age range, someone said 26 WTH,

Take a look at Joe Weider when he represented Arnold He was a fat tub of shit, at age 60 he had a body most 18 year olds wish they had that kinda muscle.

I used to BB but now I like boxing, it keeps you in shape and does not get as routine as BB does.

[Matador]

Hi Luxberry,

I am assuming that you are not able to schedule your going out and sarging time in between your meals?...I started eating at 8:00am in the morning and finished with my last meal after I got home, not matter what time it was...a protien shake with no carbs...map your day with a 3 hour sarge block and eight hours sleep with work time and I think you'll see you have enough hours in the day...my meals are simple...ground turkey meat and rice with multivitamin pack with protwhey/oatmeal shakes for in between...very simple, easy-to-make meals that I can take in my backpack slingshot no matter where i go...pace your meals every 2.5-3 hours apart...map it out on an excel spreadsheet...you will be able to fit everything in...my goals these days is not to be so huge, so it is even easier...my protein and caloric intake does not need to be that high, thus my meal count is even lower.

[SONICBOObs]

Question to any experienced BB's.

Is it possible for a guy to have a larger muscle pump % than other guys. When two guys hit max pump is it possible for one guy's muscles to show a bigger increase in comparison to what they looked like before?

Confused? Tell me, I will clarify.

[bosstone]

I think there is a big difference between weight training, which will make you healthier, and competitive bodybuilding, which can actually kill you.

If you use weight training properly, your metabolism will be higher, your joints will be stronger, and your overall fitness will be better throughout your entire life. But some people take it to an extreme and go after "the look" for the sake of the look. The biggest, most ripped guys are ironically have the worst health. These guys are the ones who are not just taking supplements and eating right, they are also on "the juice." Stay away from the HGH and steroids, guys. All of the following are documented effects of steroid use:

-enlarged internal organs
-your hair will fall out
-your head will get bigger
-your balls will shrink
-you will have uncontrollable bouts of 'roid rage
-you are at greater risk of various cancers
-you will rip various muscles and separate tendons from muscles. Your muscles will grow at a rate too fast for your tendons, overloading them.
-acromegaly: enlarged hands, big head, thick brow, thick jaw, etc.


I think if you are lifting weights SOLELY to get big and to impress women, that's stupid. If you are training with weights to improve your health and help you with sports so you can have a great life with hobbies, that's a good move. Don't get obsessed with the game and trying to impress women. Recognize that most guys who are huge have abused steroids.

[bosstone]

That is because Joe Weider and all professional bodybuilders use steroids. Virtually all professional bodybuilders use steroids. Vince Mcmahon was on the cover of one of Weider's magazines. How do you think a 60 yr. old got that physique? By taking multivitamins?

There is no cut off or age range, someone said 26 WTH,

Take a look at Joe Weider when he represented Arnold He was a fat tub of shit, at age 60 he had a body most 18 year olds wish they had that kinda muscle.

I used to BB but now I like boxing, it keeps you in shape and does not get as routine as BB does.

[Se7en]

Hi I'm new here and this is my first post...

I have to Agree with Matador's first post (among others) as I've been training since I was 19. I'm only 5'6" so I'm not a tall guy but when other guys see me they have this odd respect for me even though they are much taller. They usually end up wanting to start a conversation and be friends etc...

Incidentally I found Brad Pitt's Workout for "Fight Club" a while back here if anyone is interested:

http://www.sixpacknow.com/brad_pitt_abs_workout.html

I look forward to learning from this community! :)

-Se7en

[Seamless]

Great thread.

https://secure.rodalequickpay.com/uof/absdiet/index.html

I found this plan last year after a gf breakup left me with "happy fat" (that extra layer you get after getting too comfortable in your relationship. Happy fat = too much comfort = diminishing sexual attraction in the realtionship, but that's another topic).

It's a good plan if you've not had much experience at the gym, or in the kitchen. You have to get both arenas working together to see real changes in your body. It's all about revving up the metabolism by adding lean muscle mass, and eating 6 times a day, similar to what folks are talking about earlier in the thread. This is all gradually becoming common knowledge, but the book really helps you plan your steps day by day, workout by workout, and meal by meal.

The meals are easy, the workouts attack the whole body with a focus on the legs (the largest aeras of muscle mass), the writing is a little goofy sometimes, but overall it helped me a lot.

Like any real life changing program, you have to internalize it into the threads of your daily thought process for it to take hold. When people start calling you a "sexy mother fucker" you'll know you're doing it right! Like Matador said early on, the changes in your overall feelings and consequent projections of power, strength, and confidence will manifest positively in all areas of your life.

Oh yeah. Beer = gut.

Get a blender.

Enjoy

~Seamless

[JekDaPUA]

Question to any experienced BB's.

Is it possible for a guy to have a larger muscle pump % than other guys. When two guys hit max pump is it possible for one guy's muscles to show a bigger increase in comparison to what they looked like before?

Confused? Tell me, I will clarify.

I'm not "experienced" exactly, but from what I have studied and learned over the last 3-4yrs


yes.. all has to do with blood flowing into the muscle.. and how the muscle retains the water and "fills"

but pump means nothing.. and there is such a thing as "long term muscle mass" and "short term muscle mass".. the difference being, one isn't going to go away anytime soon.. while the other will if you stop your training or dieting

[Hengman]

Nice to meet you other PUAs.

I'm a bodybuilder and personal trainer. I can help if anyone needs help.

[hugscot]

Nothing wrong with trying to look good to enhance your game. It is just another part of your arsenal. Not to mention lots of honeys at the gym:) Diet and cardio is the key to getting that ripped look from my experience. Weightlifting is great for adding size but you got to eat a lot to do it. Don't even need to get fancy just stick with basic compound lifts and staff away from machines. Hey, if a trainer motivates you at least get a good looking one. Just remember there is lots of misinformation out there in the media and even some in this thread especially regarding steroids etc. Like any meds they are ok if used as prescribed and not abused.

Peace.