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Sovereign
02-07-2007, 05:59 PM
**Disclaimer- this DOES NOT apply to someone who has mastered their life!

Ok, since my last post was such a hit, here is the follow up. One reasonable objection to that post was, "Great, but how does one do that?"

If you didn't get my last post, and you feel that going out into the field without concentrating on mastering your life is a good thing to do, and that confidence will come with success in field. I suspect part of this post is towards you as well.

So without further adieu or anymore obnoxious disclaimers from me, here is the argument I am putting forward:

Most people have 'surface confidence', it is a confidence based solely on the approval of others. When you have affirmation from others, or a history of affirmation from others, you are more confident. When you are lacking that approval, your confidence goes down. (Hence, why so many here claim that if you go out in the field, and have success, than your confidence will increase).

This confidence is very transient and subject to having the proverbial rug pulled out from underneath you at the first sign of a bad day.

However, if your confidence is based on what you truly feel you are capable of, than it is very difficult to have it taken away. I've seen so many PUA's have a bad streak (just like a poker player would for example) and lose ALL their mojo. Taking a lot of time to recover from it. Or let's say you are simply brought down because of a bad day, you get yelled by your boss, your friend just bitched you out about something, your bills are backed up. Do you think PU knowledge as it stands right now will help you deal with that? Or the fact you had an HB9 last week will help you recover from almost being fired?? ( I can imagine the 2 or 3 responses of guys saying, "Yeah, knowing Juggler helped me deal with being thrown out of my apartment!!"...funny)

Now all these events, which can happen to anyone at anytime, will shake your confidence, impact your ability to game women, and because that confidence is surface level, the moment you hit a dry spell in the field, a great amount of damage to your ego can occur. Hence, it is a simple equation:

Surface Confidence collaspes as events in your life turn away from the validation that keeps that confidence strong, this hit to your confidence level negatively impacts your ability to game in the field, you have a string of bad sarging outings, and your confidence in that area begins to drop as well.

Mastering life is how one can combat that.

How does one do that? Well there are hundreds if not thousands of self-help books out there, or you can pop in a Tony Robbins DVD and watch it, you can listen to Demonic Confidence perhaps or simply repeat, "I am good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it people like me!" over and over. Nothing has really been shown to work long term.

The key here is two very simple points:

1) Love yourself as you would want someone else to love you.

2) Know what you are capable of based on your own internal assessment, and not on what others have told you.

The first point is quite clear, we want others to love us, take care of us, care about us, but yet look at what we do to ourselves? We don't spend our spare time improving our lives, we spend it most likely wasting away in front of a tv or computer. We eat shitty food, get our haircut once every two months, wear worn out clothes and unless we are going somewhere, generally look like crap and couldn't hold a decent conversation on any topic other than the few we happen to know.

Thing about everything you would do for someone you really really love? Do you do even half that for yourself? Think about how you would want someone who loves you to treat you? Do you treat yourself even half that good??

So other than those two points, what should one do practically? (Note, if you don't love yourself and have true inner confidence, you won't succeed or bother doing any of these things):

One of the things I realized is that in order to succeed you need to excel in anything you do. This means, if you are stuck in a job, rather than just drag yourself to work everyday, master it instead, do it to the absolute best of your ability and excel at it. It is always better to be the best at a shit job than it is to be mediocre at it. Treat everything as a skill to be learned and mastered.

Anytime you find yourself interested or intrigued about something, pick up a fucking book and read about it. Saw a show on Ancient Greece that looked cool. Buy a book (and not one with a lot of pictures) and read the damn thing. Do this often enough and you will be a really well rounded person.

Anytime you think that you want to try something like learning how to dance, cook, etc. Take a class. It is not much money, and usually one night a week, which I am sure you can fit into your busy schedule. Do this all the time and you will find you have quite a bit of talent that you did not know about.

Next time you have some extra money, unless you intend to save it, spend it on your appearance! Get better clothes, a haircut, join a gym. Spending $75 at a bar is not a good use of your money (besides, women should be buying your drinks anyway!)

And finally, pay attention to people who are socially successful!! Watch what they do and how they do it. Their mannerisms, what they talk about, etc. Watch the responses of people around them. Learn from it.

Now some of these seem obvious and this is about as surface level a guide as the confidence I talk about, but again the key here is that if you aren't doing these things, ask yourself how much you really care about improving yourself? Because if you can not do these simple tasks and take them to heart, then you can not begin to master life as something is stopping you. And that thing is self-loathing.

So yeah, you might be able to go out and successfully PU an HB9, you might even get some social proof from this and feel on top of the world. But the moment things turn the wrong way, and they always do, it comes crashing back down.

Find real confidence and love yourself enough to locate it. Unfortunately, if you have to ask how one learns to love themselves, than you need to put down the PU manuals and begin to dial a shrink to find out exactly what is going causing you to be your own worst enemy.

With love,

Superfreak
02-11-2007, 10:09 AM
Actually success breeds success, So its really is bull shit to say that to be successful with women you have to be a success at something already. To be happy with your life you have to start somewhere be it women or career or what ever else you want. Then you have to apply those successes to other areas of your life.

I do not share this with many people but for about 6 months I was homeless, Now I say homeless but I was no bum I worked 10 hours 5 days a week as a waiter and would get a motel room on my days off, on work days I would go to the University and get videos, they had small little video rooms at the library, so I would go in put a video in and go to sleep, sometimes I would go to the 1.50 movie theater and sleep as well. I would usually go to the gym and workout and get a shower before work. Everything I owned fit in a small duffel bag. I did sleep in the park a few times inside one of those covered slides so no one would see me.

Most people had no Fing clue what my life was like, I would still hit the clubs on days off and obviously I did not look the part of someone that was homeless. I only had 2 sets of personal clothes but they were clean and looked good although not the most expensive clothes in the world. Anyways the reason I tell you this is because before The Game, before I had seen anything on the web, before I was even aware of the community it was at this same time I was going through what most people would have considered a nightmare. It was this very same time that I realized that you did not need money, a nice car, the clothes, male model looks or even a home as I had non of those things. The amazing thing was when I was at work or out at a club I left all those problems behind. Plus I felt like I had nothing to lose. My outlook on life took a 180 degree spin. By the end of the six months I spent homeless (this was almost 9 years ago) I found myself staying at a female friends mansion on the beach, though I only stayed there a month to get my life back into control, I ended up dating a awesome girl for a while and while I would not at that time claim I was great with women I was at least better than competent. Since then I have grown personally and professionally as a person. I went to school and got my BA in computer science, then I started to learn as many aspects of the game as I could,and made it a priority to get that part of my life handled so that I was no longer just competent, I now have two published books and am currently working on my third and while I can not say my life is totally perfect its getting there. I do not think you ever accomplish perfection but that is not what is important its how far you have come to get to where you currently are in life.

So believe what you will but you do not have to have everything in your life in order to get better with women. Success breeds success and it is contagious so I hope you will not let your job, or your living situation, or your car or what ever other excuses you are trying to dream up as a reason why you can not become a success with women ever get in your way as it is all a huge steaming pile of bullshit. So to those that say you have to get everything else in line you are dead wrong, I am living proof other wise. The fact I was able to pull my self out of that situation and the fact I was able to not only succeed in the game of pickup but also to pay my way through school, and to accomplish every thing that I have put my will into.

I can honestly say that the game of pickup actually saved my life. Near the end of that 6 months I was tired, and it was November and it was very cold,I was so wore down and I almost gave up, but in that one of my darkest hours I have ever experienced everything just started to come together and it was those small successes that sparked something deep within and I have been soring every since.

So take it from me get something anything in your life handled and apply those successes to everything you touch.

VitaBrevis
02-11-2007, 01:46 PM
**Disclaimer- this DOES NOT apply to someone who has mastered their life!
So you didn’t write this for your wings Jesus and Buddha then? Man, those guys show just what chasing a bit of tail can do for you!

Undoubtedly you’ve got a valid point, Sovereign, but you’re at risk of sounding like the New Age nut in the mall if you keep pressing it. The issues you’re raising are bigger than the scope of this forum, a point that Cedar makes very well here (http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2535&postcount=4).

Reading your original thread I don’t think disagreement arose due to a lack of intelligence on anyone’s part so rehashing it as a service for those who ‘didn’t get it’ is unlikely to create converts. A lot of people just want to improve a particular skill set not pursue pick up as a path to mystic union with the creator and harmony with the cosmos.

Sovereign
02-13-2007, 04:48 PM
Reading your original thread I don’t think disagreement arose due to a lack of intelligence on anyone’s part so rehashing it as a service for those who ‘didn’t get it’ is unlikely to create converts. A lot of people just want to improve a particular skill set not pursue pick up as a path to mystic union with the creator and harmony with the cosmos.

First off, what exactly are you talking about? I mention self improvement and loving oneself and it belong under the category of New Age Mysticism?? That's funny. Sorry not every post is about opinion openers....

Also, the whole point is that people should not try to improve that particular skill set, unless they've mastered others first.

Some of you really worry me.....the fact that you are out in the field is scary and I feel bad for the women you sarge!

TruePlayer
02-13-2007, 06:32 PM
Now maybe it is just me and my Jungian brain, but why do I suspect that those who write inner game rants in such a hostile/superior tone, without even offering any new or non-trivial observations, are probably projecting their own problems onto others? Hmmm????

Impala
02-13-2007, 07:16 PM
Sov, excellent post. I set goals for each day. I have affirmations on the back of my door to my bedroom. I sleep with my bedroom door closed, so when I wake up; I have to see the affirmations before I open my door. I believe that Style was right when he said you need to do 4 things everyday that make you happy and one of them has to be physical.

As for the learning new things everyday, I have been trying that; but I find it is hard to do. Nothing in life that is good, comes easy.

VitaBrevis
02-14-2007, 02:33 AM
First off, what exactly are you talking about? I mention self improvement and loving oneself and it belong under the category of New Age Mysticism?? That's funny. Sorry not every post is about opinion openers....

Also, the whole point is that people should not try to improve that particular skill set, unless they've mastered others first.

Some of you really worry me.....the fact that you are out in the field is scary and I feel bad for the women you sarge!
What’s funny is that you don’t realise it does? New Age covers any eclectic belief system.

Maybe I could stomach it better if the current trend for the quasi-Buddhist, faux-Zen psycho-babble I’ve been reading of late wasn’t being trotted out all in the pursuit of a bit of tail. My advice to anyone serious about mastering life is join a monastery. If you’re just interested in becoming a better rounded person then a cookery class will probably suffice. Of course putting it that way doesn’t make me look as insightful but then I’m not pretending I’ve got the answers to the questions of the ages. I appreciate you’re not either, Sovereign, which is why you couched it in those terms.

I agree with much of your post. Your points were well put with real-world examples and your tone was better tempered than some of the would-be sages currently preaching around here. Being well-read, travelled and pursuing multiple interests will not only enrich your time on this Earth but allow you to talk to pretty much anyone on any subject that comes up. There’s only so much mileage in, “Hey, did you see the girls fighting outside?!”

Where I disagree is possibly just in semantics regarding how you define ‘Mastering Life’. I wouldn’t promote the idea of getting your life under control first before going out in the field. That’s a journey that should be shared in tandem. You’ll never get your life mastered, but you can as you suggest enjoy trying to. I’d also say be true to what you’re trying to achieve though. If you’re just going through the motions because you want better DHV stories then forget it; save the time and money and keep repeating other people’s life experiences garnered from the forums because there’s no guarantee it’s the magic bullet you’re looking for. You do it because you want to, not because you think it’ll help you get laid. There’s enough ‘Social Robots’ doing (or did) well to disprove that theory.

I just get uncomfortable with the whole giving life-advice thing. It’s one thing to take instruction on sports, academia, or sarging HBs in a bar from people with more experience and talent than yourself, and another to start dishing out more general advice on how to be a human being. Some of the stuff I’ve read in that regard is pretty harmful and getting into a whole new meaning on community ‘guru’. There are many people in this community that I respect, but none I want to follow.