How to game while fighting felony lawsuit?

[Masters]

Hey guys,

So I have a quick question on this one.. flames, comments, suggestions welcome!

Some guys I know are trying to manage this new Seduction Company but the problem is they're involved in this Felony lawsuit, among other things.. and they can't seem to stop.. I'm just wondering what they can do to keep their company running while being investigated and charged with just a few of these corporate crimes?

I was thinking about showing them this line and hoping maybe it would help them figure this shit out..


18 U.S.C. § 1030(g). “Damage” is defined in the statute to include “any impairment to the integrity
or availability of data, a program, a system or information.” 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(8). “Loss” is
broadly defined to include “any reasonable cost to any victim, including the cost of responding to
an offense, conducting a damage assessment, and restoring the data, program, system, or information
to condition prior to the offense, and any revenue lost, cost incurred or other consequential damages
incurred because of interruption of service.” 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(11).
Accordingly, a victim of a computer hacker may sue the hacker for damages under federal law
if the hacker violated one of the one of the provisions of § 1030 and one of the factors set forth in
§ 1030(a)(5)(B)(i)-(v) is met. Section 1030 is quite broad and contains several subsections, each of
which constitutes a separate violation under the statute:
a. 18 U.S.C. § 1030 (a)(2) - Unlawful Access to Obtain Information
Section 1030(a)(2) proscribes conduct most people think of as hacking – the unauthorized (or
in excess of authorization) access to a computer to obtain information. Under § 1030(a)(2), it is
unlawful to intentionally access a protected computer4 without authorization or exceed authorized
access and thereby obtain:
(A) information in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as
defined in Section 1602(n) of Title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting
agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15
U.S.C. § 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or
foreign communication.

I don't know, it just seems like it would be hard to manage a company from prison is all..

[MrC]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in saying "I keep losing more & more respect for you, Mr. Masters."

& yes....my post is my opinion etc.....same lame disclaimer you listed on yours. Mr. C

[Limelight]

Masters I respect the way you handled the whole thing-untill now. Is this really necessary?

You're saying in your signature that it's just your opinion, but lets face facts you wouldn't post something like that without having spoken to certain people from your company.

Does The Mystery Method Inc. really need to bash the VenusianArts in order to scare of future-students from them? I think TMM(and their instructors) did a great job in conducting bootcamps and they got amazing reviews for that. So don't damage that image by doing stuff like that.

With the hardcover book out already and the new book coming out soon there'll be a tremendous pressure on TMM but deal with it in a professional manner and not with such a lame attack.

Besides if one of the VenusianArts Instructors would go(they can't 'cause they're banned) to The Attraction Forums and post stuff like this(or start to flame like you did on other threads) you'd delete it and ban them. So why do you apply double standards?

btw: Hey guys,

So I have a quick question on this one

Are you opinion-opening us?:D

[Savoy]

I don't think anyone wants anyone in prison.

We have appropriate channels to deal with the current situation, which while no doubt entertaining for some people watching, is not especially pleasant for those involved. On both sides, presumably.

I respect the hell out of Masters and while he has his own reasons to be angry above and beyond those of our other instructors, and while we've all posted something online that we later regret, I have to say that this kind of thing is not endorsed by Mystery Method Corporation. In my opinion, the post should be withdrawn.

[My opinion does not equal an order, which I can't do]

[Masters]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in saying "I keep losing more & more respect for you, Mr. Masters."

& yes....my post is my opinion etc.....same lame disclaimer you listed on yours. Mr. C
Thanks man

Masters I respect the way you handled the whole thing-untill now. Is this really necessary?

You're saying in your signature that it's just your opinion, but lets face facts you wouldn't post something like that without having spoken to certain people from your company.
You can write anything you'd like my friend but in any corporation, especially one I VOLUNTEER for, men still keep their FREE WILL. What I wrote wasn't for or reflecting the rest of anyone else in MM's opinion. Let anyone else speak for themselves. Assume what you will..

Does The Mystery Method Inc. really need to bash the VenusianArts in order to scare of future-students from them? I think TMM(and their instructors) did a great job in conducting bootcamps and they got amazing reviews for that. So don't damage that image by doing stuff like that.
I don't think MM has bashed anyone yet that I'm aware of. Feel free to post an official statement by them though.

With the hardcover book out already and the new book coming out soon there'll be a tremendous pressure on TMM but deal with it in a professional manner and not with such a lame attack.

Besides if one of the VenusianArts Instructors would go(they can't 'cause they're banned) to The Attraction Forums and post stuff like this(or start to flame like you did on other threads) you'd delete it and ban them. So why do you apply double standards?
Weve already told them if they ask for their passwords well let them back over. They haven't. They were originally banned for security stuff. But, I've already written many posts on that before. Also, I don't think I've ever flamed anyone on these forums or any forums previously.

[Sovereign]

In Masters signature he makes it clear he is speaking on his own behalf and not on the behalf of MM. He has the right to make his displeasure known in anyway he sees fit. This is Masters and Masters alone raising his objection. Nothing wrong with that.

[Masters]

Are you opinion-opening us?:D

OMG, are you and MrC like BEST friends? :D

[Sway]

This is what happens when the community becomes commercialized. Everybody wants a piece of the pie, and the original purpose of this gathering of future scholars, noblemen and diplomats becomes forgotten in the battle for dominance in this new market.

Like all popular new industries, there's a moment where growth accelerates rapidly and new startups are followed by more new startups, in rapid succession. But, as always, the bottom will fall out of the market in the end, and only the strongest, most reliable and most secure businesses remain. I just hope you're all ready for that.

In the meantime, I wish all of you "businessmen" would just keep the dirty details of business out of the community. There are still some people here who believe that while everyone has a right to make money the only true community is the one where guys see each other as allies, not enemies, as mentors and students, not employees and customers.

The real community is in the forums and in the field where guys help each other out for the benefit of all, especially women. :D

Nobody benefits from posts like that, but many lose.

- Sway

[Vision]

This is interesting.

[Mild_Seven]

...especially one I VOLUNTEER for...

I've heard you guys are volunteers, but I didn't believe it. It's true? If the instructors are unpaid, that's just asking for further fracturing of the market. Instructors are going to jump ship and start their own businesses once they have experience and a good reputation. That much seems obvious to me. Investing in my future is the only reason I'd work for free in the present.

[Sheek]

Masters, dude, come on. Just when I thought I'd found a forum free of stupid politics, it comes back to haunt everyone here.

The answer to your question is, game the inmates. ;)

[gamble]

I've heard you guys are volunteers, but I didn't believe it. It's true? If the instructors are unpaid, that's just asking for further fracturing of the market. Instructors are going to jump ship and start their own businesses once they have experience and a good reputation. That much seems obvious to me. Investing in my future is the only reason I'd work for free in the present.

Masters is not an instructor. Masters is an approach coach, afaik all they get is reimbursed for their expenses, the instructors get paid though.

[Superfreak]

Well honestly unless a company has an employee sign a non completion agreement or an agreement to protect its corporate secrets then those employees can go to any other company and/or start their own and use those skills and methods,

Though Ideals are not copy write as in Microsoft Vs Apple computers over the use of a Gui in their OS, Which in truest terms both stole (the ideal) from an IBM research Facility in Florida.

This established lawful ruling that ideals are not copy write.


Just some possibly related stuff as I have no clue what the hell you people are talking about in the first place.

IMHO people should either share the story or not share it but the whinnying and complaining in a public forum full of people that do not have both sides or any sides of the argument is petty and worthless.

[Greystoke]

I dont know anything about all this lawsuit, but I think the message that Masters is trying to put across is that the Venusian Arts founders are not as angelic as they want to be seen as.


I'm not approach coacthing anybody or any company.

On a related note, have you heard about Ranko Magami[Shark] and Robert Torrey's recent split? Both were the founders of Attract&Date, the company that teaches direct method in addition to badboy.

[Satan]

"The sad part is, in jail you'll be the target", they'll use the indirect, soap slide routine and go straight for a full close.

S*

[Greystoke]

"The sad part is, in jail you'll be the target", they'll use the indirect, soap slide routine and go straight for a full close.

S*

Are you speaking from experience, Satan? :D

[Satan]

Are you speaking from experience, Satan? :D

**runs off and crys** :eek:

S*

[Lovedrop]

Mystery invented a methodology and a name, reserved a website in that name, and created for the world a piece of knowledge - the Mystery Method - that changed all of our lives.

Years later, after his fame was secure, he entered into a 1-page agreement with someone he intended to have act as a business manager.

When Mystery later decided to end that 1-page agreement, he did so correctly and properly, serving 60 days written notice as required by the agreement.

But here it is, more than 90 days later, and Mystery’s former associate is still marketing bootcamps and products at that website, all branded with Mystery’s name, and without Mystery’s permission. He has also filed a restraining order against Mystery to prevent Mystery from using his “mysterymethod.com” domain.

Thus, we (Mystery, Matador, and I) are using the name “The Venusian Arts”, and we are doing business at www.VenusianArts.com (http://www.VenusianArts.com)

Mystery is now exclusively involved with VenusianArts.com, where he continues to develop new ideas and new thinking on pickup. Mystery oversees quality control at Venusian Arts and nowhere else. He has a vision, and a direction, and he is not sitting still.

To now see “felony lawsuit” threats of this sort, lobbed at someone special like Mystery, to whom we all owe a great debt, is just beyond the pale in our opinion. I am disgusted to think that Mystery’s success has made him a target of this sort.

The nature of Masters’ comments seem very detailed and implies access to inside knowledge. But Venusian Arts feels it is false in several ways and as such we must comment.

The claim that there is a “Felony Lawsuit” is a false statement as there is no such thing as a “felony lawsuit” in a civil suit. There are no charges by the government. Rather, there was a lawsuit filed by MMC and Savoy claiming ownership to the name "Mystery Method" and the business. The suggestion of "prison" strikes us as libelous since I’m not aware that any criminal proceedings are even being considered by authorities, which is much less than the writer of the comment appears to us to suggest.

I feel it is wrong for us to allow or condone the claim that the ownership of Mystery’s methodology and website should end up with anyone other than Mystery himself. Period.

We are resolute and I can assure you that we are not moved by petty threats of this type.

Please let’s get back to productive and substantive discussion about GAME, and keep things positive in spite of whatever shit occasionally gets thrown from the monkey bin.

-Lovedrop

Hey guys,

So I have a quick question on this one.. flames, comments, suggestions welcome!

Some guys I know are trying to manage this new Seduction Company but the problem is they're involved in this Felony lawsuit, among other things.. and they can't seem to stop.. I'm just wondering what they can do to keep their company running while being investigated and charged with just a few of these corporate crimes?

I was thinking about showing them this line and hoping maybe it would help them figure this shit out..



Originally Posted by United States Penal Code
18 U.S.C. § 1030(g). “Damage” is defined in the statute to include “any impairment to the integrity
or availability of data, a program, a system or information.” 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(8). “Loss” is
broadly defined to include “any reasonable cost to any victim, including the cost of responding to
an offense, conducting a damage assessment, and restoring the data, program, system, or information
to condition prior to the offense, and any revenue lost, cost incurred or other consequential damages
incurred because of interruption of service.” 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(11).
Accordingly, a victim of a computer hacker may sue the hacker for damages under federal law
if the hacker violated one of the one of the provisions of § 1030 and one of the factors set forth in
§ 1030(a)(5)(B)(i)-(v) is met. Section 1030 is quite broad and contains several subsections, each of
which constitutes a separate violation under the statute:
a. 18 U.S.C. § 1030 (a)(2) - Unlawful Access to Obtain Information
Section 1030(a)(2) proscribes conduct most people think of as hacking – the unauthorized (or
in excess of authorization) access to a computer to obtain information. Under § 1030(a)(2), it is
unlawful to intentionally access a protected computer4 without authorization or exceed authorized
access and thereby obtain:
(A) information in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as
defined in Section 1602(n) of Title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting
agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15
U.S.C. § 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or
foreign communication.
I don't know, it just seems like it would be hard to manage a company from prison is all..

-Masters

Note: My posts, threads, and opinions are just those.. mine and in no way represent The Mystery Method or the Opinion of any employees or associates of The Mystery Method Corporation.