Matador Review, New York Jan 2006 Bootcamp (by Obie)

[Admin]

As for Matador... this man is just beyond. So alpha, so cool, so charismatic and just plain fun to be around... he pulls you into his reality, and that's a damn great place to be. More than all the routines and everything, Matador made this bootcamp a real success for me on the second night. I was struggling a bit with hooking sets, which I had been doing consistently the previous night. I was feeling a little frustrated, and Matador gave me some quick tips and guided me through a set to get my energy back up. The real magic, though, came when he pushed me into high energy "kamikaze" sets... I really started going nuts, I stopped thinking about what I was doing and just started doing it. Opening, stacking, multiple threading, kino escalation, locking in, qualifying, I was doing the stuff we had talked about and to my own surprise, I wasn't thinking about it, just doing it. For those minutes I got my first taste of what Pickup can be like when things come together, and it only happened because Matador took the time to give me personal attention, figured out what was wrong, and solved my problem without me even knowing what it was. Now that I know that feeling, I will be able to search for it during my own time in field, but had I never felt it I think I would have searched for it on my own for many months. Plus he opened a really hot girl by giving her the finger, which was terrific.

The bootcamp has given me a great head start in learning pickup, and somehow without even realizing it, has given me a kick in the ass to improve all areas of my life. When the hell did that happen?

[obie]

That was a great bootcamp.

In some sense I wish I had taken it a few months later because these guys were literally so good that I didn't really have a cognitive model at the time toapprecitae what they were doing in the field, even though they had just spent the previous five hours explaining evreything to me in great detail. It was like part of me understood it, and the other part of my brain was just going "HOLY SHIT!" the entire time. I remember I was watching JDog sarge the two coat check girls and I had to hold my jaw to keep it from hitting the ground. Awesome.

I wish I had taken even more advantage of the field time by getting more feedback from the coaches, but overall a great investment, and a great time.

[Xtreeme]

Hey guys. Great stuff you write in here.
I hate to put this in here because I know its a new company and im in no way of flaming anyone or whatsoever be negative...
- I just want to get realistic.

You talk about jawdropping moments and stuff that gives you the same reaction as seeing a dead person come alive.
The video of Mystery in this site, and other videos of puas in field like from Mehow and such doesn't give me those reactions a bit.
I mean, im not saying its bad stuff, but it sure isnt amazing. Its simply, competant pickup.

What I want to ask you is, If you compare your memory of Matador doing his approaches to theese videos, would you say they are kind of similar in turns of methods, girls reactions etc. or are the videos doing no justice to what a JAWDROPPING pickup should look like?

Im asking because im considering doing a bootcamp and if the videos are what it should be like then i dont need the bootcamp.
- for other then to learn to do it without being so state-dependant.

Thnx in Advance!

Peace

[armac]

Hey guys. Great stuff you write in here.
I hate to put this in here because I know its a new company and im in no way of flaming anyone or whatsoever be negative...
- I just want to get realistic.

You talk about jawdropping moments and stuff that gives you the same reaction as seeing a dead person come alive.
The video of Mystery in this site, and other videos of puas in field like from Mehow and such doesn't give me those reactions a bit.
I mean, im not saying its bad stuff, but it sure isnt amazing. Its simply, competant pickup.

What I want to ask you is, If you compare your memory of Matador doing his approaches to theese videos, would you say they are kind of similar in turns of methods, girls reactions etc. or are the videos doing no justice to what a JAWDROPPING pickup should look like?

Im asking because im considering doing a bootcamp and if the videos are what it should be like then i dont need the bootcamp.
- for other then to learn to do it without being so state-dependant.

Thnx in Advance!

Peace

Mystery's video and other PUA videos were really made for simple shy guys like me. Many people just do not think it reality that attractive girls are ok to talk to. Simple as that.

Obviously you do not have that hang-up, so that is very cool. I do not think there will be a video that will impress you then. I do recommend taking a boot camp though.

I am a MM loyalist but for you I would recommend looking here, MM, PU101 , and other companies and finding reviews about teachers that reflect your style and goals and you can not go wrong.

Great luck to you

[obie]

I was a 100% total noob when I took the bootcamp. I wasn't asocial or a dork (which, no offence intended, at least half of the community guys I meet are), but I had never approached a girl in a bar before my bootcamp.

I would say that a bootcamp would still probably benefit you, even if you consider yourself good. You aren't "wowed" by the demos so your subconscious and conscious mind can really look at what the PUA is doing and pick up on the subtleties. The more you watch the more your subconscious fills in the gaps, maybe even ones you aren't aware of.

I have also taken PU101 and they have an excellent bootcamp. Very different from MM, (at least when I took it) but extremely worthwhile.

If anyone wants more info about the contrast between MM and PU101, let me know.

[AJNY]

I was also a noobie when I took the bootcamp, but I had bartended in nightclubs and bars before and had seen thousands of attempted pickups.

I stand by my comments in this thread
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362

I had Matador make a few changes recently to take out some other PUA's names since I wanted my comments to focus on him and his seminar.

His skills in field were way better then what Mystery or Mehow has shown
on the videos on website. There is also a difference between seeing one or a few clips which were chosen to be put on the site, and seeing Matador doing on set after set after set after set.

There is a difference between seeing Hank Aaron hit one of his 755 home runs on film and seeing another baseball player hit one or two or three in a row.
The key here is consistency in difficult sets, set after set.

I think you could learn a lot by watching Matador. We were in much harder venues then what Mystery and Mehow were doing in their videos, way louder, girls were way more ADD.

And yes, the videos of Mystery and Mehow didn't blow me away either.

That said, I don't know what level you are at. You have to decide about the investment in your game based on your financial situation and were you are at in your game.

AJ

[SpainWonderer]

Where can I see this field videos? I tried searching on Google but didn't find anything.

[Limelight]

Where can I see this field videos? I tried searching on Google but didn't find anything.

Myster's video is right here on this site: www.venusianarts.com
Mehow's videos are on his website: www.mehow.tv

[Mehow]

Matador has sick game. He is definitley one of the top 10 puas on the planet. One time I had the opportunity to listen to an entire set of his when he was ON ON ON and it was magical. Like levitate off the ground magical. I think the VA guys have that one on tape. Every instructor I know at VA is freaky consistent in field. That said everbody has nights when they walk on water. Everbody has better and worse nights. My videos are actually far from my best work. All of the ones out now come from one night of taping. And you see every set. The only stuff we cut out are things that girls wouldn't want out there. A few of the women were, well, drunk and did/said some embarrasing things. Keep the criticism coming though. One of the things I learned from Lovedrop early on was to take all criticism and use it to get better and never take it personally. One of the ways to attain a true positive state is to have people constantly criticise you and you just practice using the information while at the same time being not emotionally affected by it. When you get there magically positive things happen (I wrote more about that in the post about the secret). -m

[Pulse]

actually the venusian arts video hasn't worked for weeks now... you guys should probably fix that at some point.

[AJNY]

Pulse,
It worked for me yesterday.
Check out my thread on hookah pipes. I'd like your
input.
AJ

[Pulse]

Haha... already did.

I am still getting the error.

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Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Source Error:


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Source File: c:\webserver\venusianarts\v1_0\sl\pr\Bootcamp.aspx .cs Line: 44

Stack Trace:


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Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.42; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.210


Actually I just tried it with a different browser and it worked.

For the admin: I'm using Safari 2.0.4 and the video used to work for me but now doesn't.

[Fierce]

good review dude :cool:

[Adamm]

I think what would really help us out who are interested in a bootcamp is to actually describe what the instructors did: did they makeout with a girl in under 25 seconds? Did they get a bathroom pull in under a minute? As another person stated, "amazing" and "walking on water" are basically empty statements unless they are attached to an objective description of what actually occured.

Ex: I rolled out with a newbie a couple of weeks back. We had some food and we chit chatted about our interested in pickup. I asked the waitress for some "healthy" food. The waitress and I talked for about five minutes or so. The newb said to me: "wow! I have NEVER seen ANYONE have such a long conversation with a waitress before!" I don't know what that kid was smokin' but I should've asked him.

I've seen the same reaction repeatedly from every newb who has tagged along: "wow! I can't believe it! You were amazing!" I can't really fathom what they're talking about: I chit chatted for a few minutes with some girls, maybe got a number, maybe ejected, everyone laughed, so what? "Wow! I've never seen anything like that!"

So yes, some objective description of events in addition to/or as a substitute for blanket superlatives would be beneficial.


Adamm

[AJNY]

Adamm,
I will be as specific as I can.

I did not have a watch so I wasn't timing him, but I was
looking at my cell phone timer once in awhile since I was f***ing tired.

1. Matador gamed a cute Hispanic girl on line and walked
in with her. She was smiling and laughing. He kinoed
her with the trust test (and maybe the TV test).
He made out with her. This is within the first 15 minutes or so
in the club.

2. In the sets he did in front of me, the targets had
BIG smiles on their faces in the conversations with him.
They were not looking away, they were not asking to be
rescued by their friends. The targets were contributing to
the conversations. The targets were laughing.

3. They had extremely positive body language toward him.

4. After students fucked up sets and the girls were losing interest,
he was able to enter the set and re-open the set and regain
their interest.

JD (an approach coach) also had three very attractive girls basically physically accosting him. They were following him around the club,
leaning into him, pawing at him, yelling over each other trying to get his attention. Basically he was like a stripper having members of the audience go after him.

That's the best I can do Adamm. I didn't have a hidden camera
or a stopwatch on these guys.

AJ






I think what would really help us out who are interested in a bootcamp is to actually describe what the instructors did: did they makeout with a girl in under 25 seconds? Did they get a bathroom pull in under a minute? As another person stated, "amazing" and "walking on water" are basically empty statements unless they are attached to an objective description of what actually occured.

Ex: I rolled out with a newbie a couple of weeks back. We had some food and we chit chatted about our interested in pickup. I asked the waitress for some "healthy" food. The waitress and I talked for about five minutes or so. The newb said to me: "wow! I have NEVER seen ANYONE have such a long conversation with a waitress before!" I don't know what that kid was smokin' but I should've asked him.

I've seen the same reaction repeatedly from every newb who has tagged along: "wow! I can't believe it! You were amazing!" I can't really fathom what they're talking about: I chit chatted for a few minutes with some girls, maybe got a number, maybe ejected, everyone laughed, so what? "Wow! I've never seen anything like that!"

So yes, some objective description of events in addition to/or as a substitute for blanket superlatives would be beneficial.


Adamm

[Adamm]

Thanks for the detailed review!

Adamm

[Thor]

Can you post a few tips on how Matador held their attention so that I can steal them :)

[AJNY]

He was using the canned material that he taught in the seminar.

Also, one thing he did when a student was losing the set after an opinion
opener was come in and say "Hey, we've got a beer riding on this,"
which helped increase/re-initiate the girl's interest / investment in the conversation.

Also, we were outside on a cold January night at the club with some smokers.
He always had a lighter for the girls who were looking to light up,
then he would initiate/open her or the set she was in.

Little things like this, night after night, make for an extra 2-3 sets a night,
an extra 10 sets a week, an extra 500 sets a year.

AJ

Can you post a few tips on how Matador held their attention so that I can steal them :)

[Ridiculous]

Wow, just heard of MeHow for the first time and its amazing. I love the videos on your site! Thanks! I hope Mystery can update his as well. Would be educational to watch.