Mystery's new secret

[khenak]

What do you guys think the new secret is? Season 2 for the pick up artist?

[strife]

hope not...

[Unique_pua]

Secret? What have I missed?

[Dox]

New Model...please, let it be the New Model...

*crosses fingers*

[Hollywood]

i'm dying for a new model, it would only make sense that he would sell out the old one (which is associated with the MM guys that screwed him over) and then release an improved one that will easy all of our newbie minds of worries of getting "caught" in field

[kjtw]

How could there be a new model? If the MM is true and factual, no matter what the model, it would have to follow the same rules...

New material, new methods, maybe...but a new model, probably not. I can't see how a new model is possible.

Besides, regardless if everyone in the world knows the MM, you still have to go through the motions of the model in order to get where you want to be. So the old stock material has been exposed, there is always new material being developed by PUAs and being field tested and proven. These are always going to be posted here. The biggest thing, use original canned material. Routines and such that you have come up with on your own. If you follow the same rules as the field tested and proven material, it will have the same effect...

[Hollywood]

I use 80% original stuff and I'm not talking about a complete revamp, everything in life no matter what can be improved upon. So this is it then? You aren't going to allow Mystery to add any new theories or tactics to his current model? He must have nothing more to offer. I mean all the successful businessmen and forward thinkers in the world just stop working once they release something. Must be why Windows is still in version 3.1 and we all still use 8-tracks and cars have to be wound up to start... get it yet? you're taking this too literal, get off your high horse.

[/end rant]

[kjtw]

I use 80% original stuff and I'm not talking about a complete revamp, everything in life no matter what can be improved upon. So this is it then? You aren't going to allow Mystery to add any new theories or tactics to his current model? He must have nothing more to offer. I mean all the successful businessmen and forward thinkers in the world just stop working once they release something. Must be why Windows is still in version 3.1 and we all still use 8-tracks and cars have to be wound up to start... get it yet? you're taking this too literal, get off your high horse.

[/end rant]

But wait, you were talking about a NEW model. The discussion was about creating a new model and discrediting the "old" model. By discrediting the "old" model, this is, by effect, discrediting Mystery himself.

In your most recent post (the one quoted above), you and I are saying the same thing. No new model, new material and routines. Yet, you insist on bashing me and saying that I am on a "high horse" (which by the way, I don't see that one). I thank you for that, now I am going to hop onto that "high horse" that you talk about...

Does Windows do something different today than it did when it replaced DOS? No, it doesn't. It may look different, have new and improved features but it is still a graphical user interface that allows us to operate a computer easily. The computer still works the same way. The computer doesn't see Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows blah blah blah...the computer sees 1s and 0s (a bit over simplified, but still). That has not changed.

Think of it in this sense. Humans are the computer and The Mystery Method is Windows. In order for the computer to understand what Windows wants it to do, it all must be (eventually) translated into binary 1s and 0s (this being the model). If Windows were to be changed to the point that it no longer spoke to the computer in binary, then the computer wouldn't understand and nothing would work. This is just the same. The model works because it plays on human nature. TMM can change in the sense of new material, routines and tactics but it still has to talk to the human psyche in the same way, 1s and 0s. If not, it wouldn't work.

I agree with you that there will always be improvements to the system in this manner, but I don't believe that the model can ever change. If you look at other systems and teachings in the community, they all have commonalities in that they play on the human brain's hardwiring and instinct. If you disect them all, you could almost apply the TMM model to each from what I have seen.

So basically, this is where I am at. You read into my post WAY to deep. You got things out of it that were not there. I never said that Mystery was done. I never said that TMM can't grow. I simply stated my opinion that there could not be a new model. If Mystery were to release a new model, it would discredit everything that he has done and, by matter of fact, discredit himself (as previously mentioned). I also believe that a lot of people (not saying you because I don't know you) are only half learning this system and are blaming the system for their failures. Placing blame on VH1's PUA for stock routines not working. Mystery says numerous times on the DVDs that stock material should only be used to kickstart yourself and that you should create your own canned material and routines. This is just another example of people not paying attention to details, there is a difference between stock material and canned material. A lot of people here have gotten those terms confused and interchange them all willey nilly like.

Here is where I leave it. I apologize if you felt I was attacking you or lecturing you, that was not my intention (as a matter of fact, I was responding to all posts not yours). My intention was to voice MY opinion and get my point out there...

[Hollywood]

I'm prolly just pissed some of my friends are cramping my game haha

[Dox]

kjtw, there's no "he might release a new model soon" about it - it's been announced that he's releasing a new model called The New Model, it's supposed to be totally revolutionary to the PUA community, and they said that they should have it released by the end of the year. I think it's close enough, so I'm hoping that this is Mystery's announcement tonight.

[kjtw]

kjtw, there's no "he might release a new model soon" about it - it's been announced that he's releasing a new model called The New Model, it's supposed to be totally revolutionary to the PUA community, and they said that they should have it released by the end of the year. I think it's close enough, so I'm hoping that this is Mystery's announcement tonight.

The New Model is an eBook re-write of the VAH that is already released (see the main page of the Venusian Arts Site - http://www.venusianarts.com/sl/va/VenusianArts.aspx). It goes into further detail than the original VAH with updates and new material. Here is the description as listed on the page:

This complete re-write of Mystery's classic Venusian Arts Handbook is the new authority on dating for men. Greatly expanded with the latest techniques developed by Mystery, Matador, & Lovedrop - the same brand-new techniques taught at the Mystery Special Training this summer: Microcalibration. AMOGing. Escalation. Identity. And much more...


I am not sure how to get it, and am waiting on a response for that question. It is not "new" persay...but it is "new." Windows XP verses Windows Vista...

[LivinThedream]

I want that e-book, but the link above says page not found....

[Lothario]

Bonus #1 - A FREE copy of the new Venusian Arts e-Book, "The New Model" ($79 value)

This complete re-write of Mystery's classic Venusian Arts Handbook is the new authority on dating for men. Greatly expanded with the latest techniques developed by Mystery, Matador, & Lovedrop - the same brand-new techniques taught at the Mystery Special Training this summer: Microcalibration. AMOGing. Escalation. Identity. And much more...


And anyway, whether its a new model or not, shit is going down tonight. I cannot fucking wait.

I hope to hear from Mystery, we deserve too.

[Dox]

The New Model is an eBook re-write of the VAH that is already released (see the main page of the Venusian Arts Site - http://www.venusianarts.com/sl/va/VenusianArts.aspx). It goes into further detail than the original VAH with updates and new material. Here is the description as listed on the page:



I am not sure how to get it, and am waiting on a response for that question. It is not "new" persay...but it is "new." Windows XP verses Windows Vista...

Huh. Well, apologies on my obviously dated information then lol.

[spearhead21]

It would be cool, but I doubt it will be the new book.
My guess is that they will release the DVD ("Mind of Mystery"??) that people were supposed to get in the last bootcamps.

[Dynamism]

I think that the secret is that he'll continue to teach bootcamps.
Notice what the contestants are competing over:
$50,000 and the chance to travel with Mystery and his wingmen to TEACH the art.

[Dox]

that makes more sense...btw, what's this "The Pickup Artist: Tricks of the Trade" show on at midnight? Any clue?

[Rugal]

that makes more sense...btw, what's this "The Pickup Artist: Tricks of the Trade" show on at midnight? Any clue?

It's just a compilation of all the extras on vh1.

So where are they announcing this?

[kjtw]

that makes more sense...btw, what's this "The Pickup Artist: Tricks of the Trade" show on at midnight? Any clue?

Geesh...I was going to go out after the final episode, now I am conflicted...conflict over, I have a DVD recorder and its set...

I think that it was on late last night and I caught the tail end of it. Looked like unseen footage and so forth as well as Mystery reading more viewer questions. But, then again, there was the commercial about texting openers to 22444 for Kosmo and Brady to use live. Maybe something different all together...I HATE ROCK OF LOVE!!!

[Rucker]

LOL i hate the rock of love also... I have it on mute right now so i can listen to music and play some games before my next hour and a half takes place. Yeah i don't know what is in store with this big announcement but..... I has to be big thou. Looking forward to it.

[Xanatos3135]

I'm dying to hear what the surprise is, and I'm somewhat disappointed because I thought it was to be announced at the end of the season finale.

With that being said, I think it'd be money if Mystery and Kosmo were to go around teaching bootcamps. It didn't sound to me like is said it outright, but the hint was definitely there. Not sure what I'd do to have a weekend learning from Mystery. Interesting to see how far he's come in the last 6 years when he was running bootcamps at $500 a pop, huh?

[kjtw]

I'm dying to hear what the surprise is, and I'm somewhat disappointed because I thought it was to be announced at the end of the season finale.

With that being said, I think it'd be money if Mystery and Kosmo were to go around teaching bootcamps. It didn't sound to me like is said it outright, but the hint was definitely there. Not sure what I'd do to have a weekend learning from Mystery. Interesting to see how far he's come in the last 6 years when he was running bootcamps at $500 a pop, huh?

What a trip he has had...now charging $9997 per day for one on one training...that would be nice! He definately has earned it though...

[staypuft]

I do not have cable. I was only able to see episode 1 and episode 7. I plan on buying it on DVD so I know what material not to use anymore... I think a new model would work. I tweak this one anyway. I have found that if you use certain techniques you can jump to keno quicker.

[phoenix]

I do not have cable. I was only able to see episode 1 and episode 7. I plan on buying it on DVD so I know what material not to use anymore... I think a new model would work. I tweak this one anyway. I have found that if you use certain techniques you can jump to keno quicker.

In three weeks you can use in material from the show again. The re runs will have stopped and no girl is going to remember anything from the show.


So who cares?

[Dox]

Not true man, I'm already starting to run into the situation where I'm gaming girls who know I'm gaming them...makes me paranoid that they're just trying to study the Game so they can come up with a counter-game...a new, fully revolutionary model would be helpful in a few months' time I would say...MM as it is now would still be relevant, I'm not saying this is the end of everything, but it's gonna be harder if we all just stick to the same model, especially with it hitting mainstream like it has been...I predicted cult status, I'm seeing now that I was underestimating.

BTW, did anyone see if Mystery did show anything interesting in the 30-minute special? I totally forgot about it.

[bonce]

BTW, did anyone see if Mystery did show anything interesting in the 30-minute special? I totally forgot about it.[/QUOTE]

it is all on the v spot at vh1

[phoenix]

no...nothing. Boring. And it never had alvaro and brady using any openers, in fact, it was all just rehashes of lessons he taught on the show, and some he didnt teach on the show. Also, it had all the Letters to Mystery things.

[phoenix]

Not be rude but, where is this new secret? The show aired hours ago, it prob has aired in cali by now, i'm kinda disappointed that we don't have the new secret yet.

[khenak]

i know and i am getting kind of tried. I still think its a stupid season 2... because i mean seriously they offer bootcamps since like the stone ages how could that be the new surprise

[phoenix]

i know and i am getting kind of tried. I still think its a stupid season 2... because i mean seriously they offer bootcamps since like the stone ages how could that be the new surprise

I'd love a season 2.


But honestly, They need to work on the show a lil, the whole format, probably wasn't the most entertaining. And how can mystery do a season two with his fame now? Girls are gonna recognize him.

I hope its a realease date for the new model!


I know whats on my X-mas list, Neil Strauss's new book "Rules if the Game" and "The New Model"


cant wait!

[kjtw]

Well, aren't I glad that I recorded it and decided to go out...geesh. At least myself and my wing had a few good sets during that time! Although (hehehe) the first set of the night was NO GOOD...my wing number closed this really old (and really big) girl. Oh well, good practice! Ran a number of new routines on her that we had come up with and they worked out nicely.

We (rather I) opened on of the waitresses and got some good IOIs and Kino! At first I thought they may be false, but after a while, when she wasn't serving someone, she would come straight over and hang out with us. It was gold...more new material tested and worked on her...Productive night regardless...

KJtW

[Trader]

I got the impression that the "secret" would be revealed in an email from Mike Long and not on VH1...

[phoenix]

I got the impression that the "secret" would be revealed in an email from Mike Long and not on VH1...

It will.

Right?...

[Limelight]

Guys, after all this you're still falling for this marketing trick? Come on, didn't Pickup teach you to think independently?

[Xanatos3135]

Guys, after all this you're still falling for this marketing trick? Come on, didn't Pickup teach you to think independently?

Uh...no! I'm still a sucker for marketing tricks.

[phoenix]

so it was just to get us to watch that extra features shit?

[khenak]

seriously trick of the trade... that didn't teach me shit... he didn't even get into the good stuff like A3...

[Cedar]

..makes me paranoid that they're just trying to study the Game so they can come up with a counter-game...


You're an idiot. Are you suggesting girls are developing a systematic method to KEEP them from having sex?

[Dox]

No, I'm suggesting that since many girls do view pick up in a negative light, especially considering the negative press and net attention it's been getting, that they would think that this is just another sleazy, dishonest method to sleep with women and notch up that old bedpost - which we all know it isn't - so naturally the ones who don't want to be "gamed" for those reasons would be trying to figure out how to shoot the PUA down. I'm not an idiot, Cedar, I'm recognizing the negative effects of the community hitting mainstream. There are women who think pick up is stupid and wrong.

Either way, I'm curious what this announcement will be...according to Mr. Long, it might make me cry. I'll take that as a personal challenge.

[Rucker]

Yeah i didn't like that email either Dox.. Makes me think about alot of angles they could be going.

[Poetry]

Yeah i didn't like that email either Dox.. Makes me think about alot of angles they could be going.

My first thought,

"Mystery has some sort of illness."


[shrugs] This will be weird, to say the least.

[irelad]

This might sound stupid, but the first thought I had was that Mystery is getting married and as a result, would be stepping back/out from the community.

It was something in the mail about it being at the heart of what has driven him for the last 14 years. I could be wrong and I don't think he set out with that goal at the start. But that was my initial reaction.

[Poetry]

If that's the case, I wonder if we all get wedding invitations.

[kjtw]

This might sound stupid, but the first thought I had was that Mystery is getting married and as a result, would be stepping back/out from the community.

It was something in the mail about it being at the heart of what has driven him for the last 14 years. I could be wrong and I don't think he set out with that goal at the start. But that was my initial reaction.

This is exactly what I was thinking earlier today...I guess we will find out soon...although not soon enough!

[blade]

It better not be another show. Next thing we know approaching groups will be out of the question.

[orbicore2007]

KJTW:
Mystery has been improving models of attraction for over ten years now man...
One of his original models was the "FMAC MODEL" ..Find , meet, attract, close.
Now as you can see, he's retired that old model and created more since then. So how can he not develop a new model to follow?
He's seen the success that the M3 model had, but maybe he found things that go better with it, more steps, with more switches! More information to social dynamics.
It's not impossible, it's very likely.
-The Orb

[JeM]

No, I'm suggesting that since many girls do view pick up in a negative light, especially considering the negative press and net attention it's been getting, that they would think that this is just another sleazy, dishonest method to sleep with women and notch up that old bedpost - which we all know it isn't - so naturally the ones who don't want to be "gamed" for those reasons would be trying to figure out how to shoot the PUA down. I'm not an idiot, Cedar, I'm recognizing the negative effects of the community hitting mainstream. There are women who think pick up is stupid and wrong.

Either way, I'm curious what this announcement will be...according to Mr. Long, it might make me cry. I'll take that as a personal challenge.

Sorry, I disagree to a degree. While yes, obviously girls do not appreciate being just another "notch on the bedpost," as you put it - I don't think they're going to be out there actively looking for ways to "combat," pick up. They enjoy being picked up as much as we enjoy doing it...

Example: The way that I got into pick up was via one of my closest female friends actually. She read "The Game," with the original intention of being able to tell when she was being picked up on, and defend against asshole guys who just want a good lay. So, yes, this would support your view. However, once she had finished the book, all she really cared about was guarding against those guys who are so unoriginal as to actually only ever use the prepackaged shit thats in the book. She acknowledged that it was in fact a self help thing, and actually approved of pick up to a degree - just not the kids who go out there and purely use the prepackaged stuff. She actually ended up recommeding the book to me (LOL - think she was practicing her negs, eh?), and here I am.


Trance

[phoenix]

The Email Scarred me. Pain and Crying?


He isnt wanting to Destroy Pick-Up somehow? I know it cant be utterly destroyed, but if any man could fuck up game, it would be Mystery.

[10Pin]

My guess is that the new model will include direct game...which can be painful for some guys ha.

He's probably coming out of retirement for JUST ONE BOOTCAMP, bla

Seriously, though, que sera sera...

It reads like a lot of promo. Will be along the lines of every other email they've sent me from Roswell lately.

[Dynamism]

Game is impossible to fuck up. It's psychology and science. You can't fuck up 2+2=4.

[Dox]

Sorry, I disagree to a degree. While yes, obviously girls do not appreciate being just another "notch on the bedpost," as you put it - I don't think they're going to be out there actively looking for ways to "combat," pick up. They enjoy being picked up as much as we enjoy doing it...

Example: The way that I got into pick up was via one of my closest female friends actually. She read "The Game," with the original intention of being able to tell when she was being picked up on, and defend against asshole guys who just want a good lay. So, yes, this would support your view. However, once she had finished the book, all she really cared about was guarding against those guys who are so unoriginal as to actually only ever use the prepackaged shit thats in the book. She acknowledged that it was in fact a self help thing, and actually approved of pick up to a degree - just not the kids who go out there and purely use the prepackaged stuff. She actually ended up recommeding the book to me (LOL - think she was practicing her negs, eh?), and here I am.


Trance

I hear ya, man, and I do have a few female friends that think nothing but the best of pick up. Unfortunately though, as in most cases, the bad outweigh the good. I do have at least two girls who I am almost positive just want me around so they can effectively neutralize any future PUA attempts. They were avid viewers of the show, and one's even read the VAH. I don't spend much time with them because of the feeling I get, much like an observed lab rat.

Either way, I'm just pointing out that there is a good possibility that this kind of behavior could become commonplace now with the community being plastered all over mainstream multimedia. The show's great, but its effects are not all great.

And if anyone wants to flame me for having a different viewpoint, please do so in PM from now on. We're supposed to appear to be helping each other out here, not tearing each other down.

[Safari]

So even after the finale we're still not sure what the big secret is? Didn't they say it would be announced through some means on Monday? And no one has gotten any definitive emails?

hmph.

[kjtw]

KJTW:
Mystery has been improving models of attraction for over ten years now man...
One of his original models was the "FMAC MODEL" ..Find , meet, attract, close.
Now as you can see, he's retired that old model and created more since then. So how can he not develop a new model to follow?
He's seen the success that the M3 model had, but maybe he found things that go better with it, more steps, with more switches! More information to social dynamics.
It's not impossible, it's very likely.
-The Orb

I am sure that you can expand the M3 model, however, I believe that the basis of the model would remain the same, therefore, it would not be a totally "new model" per se. I don't know much about the "FMAC" model, but just from the acronym, it appears that it contains the M3 model with less detail. My point initially was that he could not come out and say "Hey, the M3 model is BS...this is the new model" because it would totally discredit his new model as he was discrediting himself. Now, if your theory is correct, there could be an expansion of the M3 model within a new model, but in order to maintain his credibility, it would have to contain the M3 model as its basis. Also, I can't imagine that he would completely discard the M3 model if he (and his instructors) are still teaching it. I think that, in reality, a new model will not be the news that is released from the email that was sent out. Why would a new model cause people to cry? Then again, I guess we will see when it the news is released...maybe someday...

[methodman]

Got this in my email on WED, thought it might help

Yo D ,

First off, let me get this out of the way:

The big announcement that Mystery
made last night will have to wait until at least
tomorrow, until I can share it with you properly.

I'll explain why in a second, but first
I have to set the scene...

Last night, Mystery's star protege,
Style, hosted an insane event to celebrate
the finale of the first season of Mystery's
VH-1 show, "the Pick-up artist."

And things got a little out of hand...

******************************
HERE'S THE SITUATION:
******************************

Mystery, Matador and J-Dog assembled
along with most of the contestants from
the #1 VH1 show - Including both finalists,
Brady and Kosmo who faced off for the title:
Master Pick-up Artist.

And that's not to mention fan favorite Joe D who
had an astonishing - and emotional - post Pick-Up
Artist tale to share...

I'll go into detail about that tale and Style's event
in the report I'm preparing for you, but for now I'll just
say that Style's Hollywood pad was PACKED with
beautiful women, celebs, and the best and the brightest
from the pick-up community.

************************************************** ******************
PLAYBOY MODELS, BIG-SHOTS, AND FOLKS LIKE US
************************************************** ******************

Here are some of the names:

Joseph Matthews, Zan, Jay from fast seduction,
and even the Rich Jerk were in attendance,
along with Playboy models, big wigs from the music
industry, and even Myspace honchos and
dozens of others.

But that night - as is so often the case in
Mystery's world - the celebs and the "regular
guys" were all the same...

Guys and girls alike oohed and ahhed, and
erupted into applause and cries of pain and
sympathy at nearly every scene of the
tear-filled finale of the show.

The event was a smash success filled with
good feelings and new-and-old friendships.

Here's my confession:

************************************************** *****
MYSTERY AND I HAD AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE
************************************************** *****

And during the whole party Mystery and I
worked together on a secret project...

We didn't even inform our own people what
we was up to because Mystery insisted that
we maintain folks comfort levels but ALSO
gave you the straight up scoop on what was
REALLY going on...

...So we filmed a series of "under-cover"
movies. And starting THIS WEEK you're
going to get to watch them.

Here's why:

Starting weeks before he even filmed the
show, Mystery and I started collaborating
on a black-ops mission that we're finally
ready to reveal...

... in my report this week.

I don't have it for you today because we partied
VERY hard last night AND so did our video guys.
So we gave them the day to recover.

But tomorrow we'll have the first shocking
movie ready for you - along with the big
announcement that Mystery made last night.

****************************
SWORN TO SECRECY
****************************

(By the way, people can try to run around
trying to figure out what the announcement
was - but folks at the event were sworn to
secrecy and won't reveal a thing - until I release
my report.)

Here's the deal:

Starting tomorrow, keep checking your inbox.

But get ready...

************************************************** *************
WARNING: MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN A SAFE PLACE
************************************************** *************

Hey, I'm not trying to scare you or anything.
But this announcement is big and will probably
lead to some big emotions and even tears.

That's because it goes to the heart of what
has driven Mystery over the last 14 years to
train THOUSANDS of folks just like you and
me to become socially confident and even
POWERFUL.

To say this stuff has changed people's lives
is a huge understatement. And to be straight
up with you, there is some FEAR AND PAIN
involved.

And this announcement and the videos we're
about to share with you will explain
EVERYTHING - whether you're ready or not.

So get ready.

Talk Soon,

Mike Long

[Nutz]

Got that same email earlier. It's got to be another video series given the comment about the video crew. My guess is it's probably something similar to Mehow's Infield Exposed.

[The Real McCoy]

this marketing strategy looks just like Annhilation Method. Probably some video series Mystery wants to sell you at an outrageous price.

[Urbanite]

This is all about building hype and suspense to sell you something. Sounds like PUA tactics used on us to market a product. Baaaaaaaaaa...where can I buy it?

[Nutz]

Speaking of pricing, has anyone noticed the prices going up and up and up? I can't help but see correlations to the real estate industry where they're pricing themselves right out of the market. How many people can really afford to buy these video packages for upwards of $500 a pop, or $4000+ bootcamps. I'm sure some would, but there comes a point where more profit per product is offset by less volume. Plus a high buy in leads to piracy which can't do anything for their bottom line. With the goods I produce IRL I learned that lesson the hard way. I'd much rather make less on a product than see people trading it on bit torrent. I dropped the price and *Poof!* sales went through the roof. It's pretty simple economics.

I suspect bootcamps aren't selling so well with the new rates these days, especially away from LA and NYC. The guys that I've come across in this community IRL are very rarely able to afford $2K for a 3 day bootcamp, let alone the 4-10K that some folks are charging.

My guess is that once the hoopla from the show dies out and people start dropping out of the community that things will normalize again. With the rampant commercialization of Pick-up it's understandable that rates have increase these last few years.
/threadjack

[Maxim de Winter]

this marketing strategy looks just like Annhilation Method. Probably some video series Mystery wants to sell you at an outrageous price.

Mysterylife Academy.

[Dynamism]

this marketing strategy looks just like Annhilation Method. Probably some video series Mystery wants to sell you at an outrageous price.

Yeah, that'll sure make me cry and be in pain. ;)

[Slick]

Mystery's dying....







Slick

[LivinThedream]

Whatever - he's probably just announcing a new DVD or something that invalidates some of what we have learned.

[Dox]

now hitting the 2-day-late mark after Mr. Long said we'd be hearing this big announcement...you know, you build trust with potential customers more easily if you actually stick to your time frames.

Enough with the FTCs, guys - let's get on to the routine.

Almost feels like that scene from "A Christmas Carol" where Ralphie's going crazy with anticipation in regards to his top-secret decoder ring message, and it turns out to be a cheesy "Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine" advertisement...

[phoenix]

now hitting the 2-day-late mark after Mr. Long said we'd be hearing this big announcement...you know, you build trust with potential customers more easily if you actually stick to your time frames.

Enough with the FTCs, guys - let's get on to the routine.

Almost feels like that scene from "A Christmas Carol" where Ralphie's going crazy with anticipation in regards to his top-secret decoder ring message, and it turns out to be a cheesy "Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine" advertisement...

It does feel like that. I like the way you just related pick up to a family Christmas movie, Good one.

[Jetstar]

Another email that doesn't follow through on a promise.

First the Transparency video.

Now Mystery's secret.

Lovedrop, sack this Mike Long prick before he runs you guys out of business.

[Xanatos3135]

Anyone else get another "it's over...are you okay?" email this morning? It's bad enough the first email came two days late, but receiving the exact same email again is really sad. I really thought they had something at first; now I can't think that they're doing anything else but stalling.

[phoenix]

Anyone else get another "it's over...are you okay?" email this morning? It's bad enough the first email came two days late, but receiving the exact same email again is really sad. I really thought they had something at first; now I can't think that they're doing anything else but stalling.

I got it too, its so they can throw out the, "Email Malfunction" card.


lol.

Yeah I really don't like mike long at all.

He is like Vault, from the Mehow Emails, and whats his name from Styleife Emails.


I think seriously, StyleLife and VA have the same ppl doing their emails, I don't care who they say they are, their both written by the same person, the styles are just identical.

[CountG]

You are all morons really. lol
Stop being attached on outcome when its not set in stone yet.

Who cares what happens before you know what the outcome is, as long as it comes. Just wait.

[Nutz]

You are all morons really. lol
Stop being attached on outcome when its not set in stone yet.

Who cares what happens before you know what the outcome is, as long as it comes. Just wait.

VA is a business. How this business is treating it's potential customers is not appreciated at all. Luckily for the VA owners and employees their clients, you and I, are loyal as hell. Otherwise people would walk in droves after the way we've been jerked around.

And I agree 100% with the above posters about the way they advertise through email. It's little more than spam at this point. And yes, the other sites are guilty of this as well.

[spearhead21]

I agree 100%.
And no, not every other company out there does the same thing.
Other companies have blogs that they update weekly giving solid content, send out newsletters that actually teach you things and their instructors post regularly in their forums.
I'm not trying to bash on anyone, I mean the VA guys are working very hard for sure, as they had to start from cero not a long time ago.
Also, we all know that this guys have a lot of value to offer.
But I think that they would be better off if they would do a different kind of marketing. Giving away "secrets" is cool but it gets old fast and comes off as if they are trying to hide things. Marketing "super secret technique" might fool some people, but for the ones that have been in this more time it is just lame.
It would be better if they would just openly say what things they have to offer for the near future and actually set more or less accurate release dates for them.

[John Candy]

And no, not every other company out there does the same thing.
Other companies have blogs that they update weekly giving solid content, send out newsletters that actually teach you things and their instructors post regularly in their forums.
ALLELUIAAAA!!!!!
See Badboy, See David Shade, see Zan......
I subscribed lots of PUA newsletters, and the only Spam i got is from this forum :mad:
I say one only thing: i hope for venusian arts that they mantain the PROMISE they made moths ago (before VH1 show) to SHARE FREE, i repeat FREE, their material (transparency DVD and the book) ;)
I have the mails to prove that promise.

[Nutz]

ALLELUIAAAA!!!!!
See Badboy, See David Shade, see Zan......
I subscribed lots of PUA newsletters, and the only Spam i got is from this forum :mad:
I say one only thing: i hope for venusian arts that they mantain the PROMISE they made moths ago (before VH1 show) to SHARE FREE, i repeat FREE, their material (transparency DVD and the book) ;)
I have the mails to prove that promise.

I'd like to add Mehow and Spear to that list. I've gotten tons of newsletters from their sites with advice, Do's & Don'ts, etc. And they actually post to their forums and give feedback to people like you and I. Read Mehow's blog and newletters. He has an active hand in the material that goes out. Same with Spear. FYI, here's Spear's URL: http://phaseshiftlounge.com/forum

From what I've been learning of VA, Mystery & Matador don't really even teach at the bootcamps they go to--for the most part they're there as guests and just sarge during the in-field training. I can't say this from 1st hand experience, but that's what I've been told by students and an instructor.

Guys, VA is a great asset to the community, but as a business it's not doing so hot in terms of customer service. I'm sure the guys teaching the actual bootcamps are great, but the site itself isn't instilling any confidence in the business. When was the last time someone's seen Mystery or Matador actually get involved in threads? I guess the bottom line everyone is bitching about is the dislike of how everything is being delegated now and how Mystery & co aren't actively involved with the community aside from making money off of it.

[Dox]

It does feel like that. I like the way you just related pick up to a family Christmas movie, Good one.

Tune in next week for "Merry F-close, Charlie Brown!"

[Poetry]

Tune in next week for "Merry F-close, Charlie Brown!"

Good luck, Lucy will just pull the hoe away from him before he inserts.

[Kurt Jaydestone]

mabey he's droping his price for the one on one sessions
plz

no i bet its' the new model but thats not a secret its available for purchase
isnt it

[irelad]

Yeah, I have to say I'm getting a bit fucked off too waiting to hear what this big secret is. We got this mail last Sunday saying there would be an announcement after the show. Immediately I thought "cool, wonder what it is". Monday came and passed, and no news. Then we hit Tuesday with another mail revealing little or no information. Now it's Friday and I'm Inbox is suspiciously lacking an email from Mr Long about what this big secret is.

I mean why go and say there is going to be an announcement if for whatever reason they can't actually stick to it and go through with it? Just say nothing rather than keep people hanging on. At the same time, I am not the most patient guy in the world so that isn't helping.

I don't know if it's yer guy Mike Long's fault or not. The only thing I didn't like about him was when Mystery was doing the demonstration with the 3 girls by the pool and he kept butting in, not letting Mystery finish what he was saying. It irritates the hell out of me when people do that to me, or when I'm listening to others.

[phoenix]

Ok guys, I don't like this. how often does Style participate in his forum? He did at first, never anymore, maybe in the one you pay for. But Mystery def isn't the only one.

Style's emails are total spam, way worse than Mystery's. and he never followed through on occasions too, I still have two IDENTICAL emails from him, set 2 months apart, about a Dr. Phil appearance which never aired.


And weekend Wingman? Come on, I hope you guys don't just take their word on it, because I read closely on the first two or three, and i think they were written by immature pua's, it was either rehash, or even scarier, WRONG. False info that is just gonna screw up your game, just to fill an email.

Mehow is on his shit though, seriously, Mehow really is doing good.

But Mystery has a good forum, its just a website guys, i'm sure it ons Walmart Forums. Pick-Up is in field, and in field were still using Mystery's method, so personally, I don't care if Mystery dosn't have enough people to post on the forum, just so you all don't complain.

Grow up guys, i'm sure their all busy, and if not, sarging, like you should be, not sitting here on your labtops.

[Dox]

First off, mine's a desktop :P

What it boils down to is this: They're trying to run a business based on a community they care nothing about. It all comes down to dollars and cents - the dollars and cents of those who can afford their ridiculous pricing. I am confident that at this point in the community, if they brought the prices down to a realistic amount, they would make just as much, if not more, money then they're making right now with the $5k bootcamps. Maybe they price it so high because they only want upper-crust members to buy because they might potentially have something to offer to VA (business leads, partnerships, etc)? Almost sounds like sleazeball networking, but I wouldn't rule it out - otherwise they would at least convincingly give a damn about those who aren't upper-crusters, but may show just as much potential as a successful PUA.

[phoenix]

First off, mine's a desktop :P

What it boils down to is this: They're trying to run a business based on a community they care nothing about. It all comes down to dollars and cents - the dollars and cents of those who can afford their ridiculous pricing. I am confident that at this point in the community, if they brought the prices down to a realistic amount, they would make just as much, if not more, money then they're making right now with the $5k bootcamps. Maybe they price it so high because they only want upper-crust members to buy because they might potentially have something to offer to VA (business leads, partnerships, etc)? Almost sounds like sleazeball networking, but I wouldn't rule it out - otherwise they would at least convincingly give a damn about those who aren't upper-crusters, but may show just as much potential as a successful PUA.

It is still a business, Mystery is worth more than say, the best pua in austin texas, so why pay the same price for both?


He only charges it, cause he knows people will buy it.

[lazarus paradise]

First off, mine's a desktop :P

What it boils down to is this: They're trying to run a business based on a community they care nothing about. It all comes down to dollars and cents - the dollars and cents of those who can afford their ridiculous pricing. I am confident that at this point in the community, if they brought the prices down to a realistic amount, they would make just as much, if not more, money then they're making right now with the $5k bootcamps. Maybe they price it so high because they only want upper-crust members to buy because they might potentially have something to offer to VA (business leads, partnerships, etc)? Almost sounds like sleazeball networking, but I wouldn't rule it out - otherwise they would at least convincingly give a damn about those who aren't upper-crusters, but may show just as much potential as a successful PUA.



The one that disappoints me the most is style. His advertising tactics are just outrageous. This is starting to look like the self help craze 10 -20 years ago. Everyone is trying to get a piece.

[Dox]

It is still a business, Mystery is worth more than say, the best pua in austin texas, so why pay the same price for both?

Because, if Mystery charges the same as the best PUA in Texas, then it brings ol' Tex some real market competition, and would quite possibly run him out of the game. Less financial competition for Mystery, and all Tex's business would come running Mystery's way, which would obviously = more money.

He only charges it, cause he knows people will buy it.

Yeah, the 1-2% of the market that can actually afford it...I wouldn't be suprised if that Rich Jerk character was one of the fat cats who took a bootcamp, and that's how they began their marketing partnership. Really, it's not a bad idea for hooking the lonely corporate CEOs who have something to offer in networking, but a strong network isn't nearly as good as a strong customerbase...that's just common sense.

[Nutz]

He only charges it, cause he knows people will buy it.

And there's your problem. You're assuming people are buying his product when reality could be just the opposite. What I'm seeing in these forums (and others) is that the costs are just too damn high for most people to partake. You'd think someone would have done some market research and realized that the largest customer base (18-24 year olds) don't have an extra $4K sitting around willy-nilly. And $10K for 1 on 1's? Puh-leeze. That might be great for the handful of fat-cats and rich kids in LA or NYC, but those kinds of payouts are bound to dry up due to limited availability. Personally speaking, I'd only be willing to pay up to $1500 or a 3 day bootcamp. I make damn good money and that's really all something like a bootcamp is worth to me. I'd put the pricing on par with martial arts seminars. They've already got 40 years of experience under their belt of working out the kinks in marketing and whatnot. And since the parallels between PUA and MA is so great I think that'd be a great way to go about pricing the seminars.

[Dox]

And there's your problem. You're assuming people are buying his product when reality could be just the opposite. What I'm seeing in these forums (and others) is that the costs are just too damn high for most people to partake. You'd think someone would have done some market research and realized that the largest customer base (18-24 year olds) don't have an extra $4K sitting around willy-nilly. And $10K for 1 on 1's? Puh-leeze. That might be great for the handful of fat-cats and rich kids in LA or NYC, but those kinds of payouts are bound to dry up due to limited availability. Personally speaking, I'd only be willing to pay up to $1500 or a 3 day bootcamp. I make damn good money and that's really all something like a bootcamp is worth to me. I'd put the pricing on par with martial arts seminars. They've already got 40 years of experience under their belt of working out the kinks in marketing and whatnot. And since the parallels between PUA and MA is so great I think that'd be a great way to go about pricing the seminars.

Yeah, but here's an interesting thought - say VA does drop their prices, and more people in the majoral age group (18-24) can afford to go to the bootcamps. Joe Twentysomething saves up working at his part time job all year and finally has enough to go to a bootcamp during his summer break from college. He goes, has an excellent time, and learns some great skills. Months of enthusiastic sarging later, this kid becomes one of the greats, revered highly in the community, so he decides to break off and start his own seduction company using his own personal tricks and methods, and his bootcamps cost half as much as VA's, but still teach innovative, quality material. Now say this happens with 15 other kids who just "get it", out of the hundreds that would have gone to the more affordably-priced bootcamps. This poses some serious competition for Mystery - do you think he would really risk taking such a financial dive just to advance the seduction community past himself, especially now that he's recognized as the "Worlds Greatest" and gets all the media attention?

[phoenix]

Yeah, but here's an interesting thought - say VA does drop their prices, and more people in the majoral age group (18-24) can afford to go to the bootcamps. Joe Twentysomething saves up working at his part time job all year and finally has enough to go to a bootcamp during his summer break from college. He goes, has an excellent time, and learns some great skills. Months of enthusiastic sarging later, this kid becomes one of the greats, revered highly in the community, so he decides to break off and start his own seduction company using his own personal tricks and methods, and his bootcamps cost half as much as VA's, but still teach innovative, quality material. Now say this happens with 15 other kids who just "get it", out of the hundreds that would have gone to the more affordably-priced bootcamps. This poses some serious competition for Mystery - do you think he would really risk taking such a financial dive just to advance the seduction community past himself, especially now that he's recognized as the "Worlds Greatest" and gets all the media attention?


Guys theres only so many bootcamps at a time, and even then, only like 10 or so students per bootcamp. Why lower it when, say, the 7 bootcamps per month, are always getting their slots filled?

Lower prices, more people wanting it, dosnt make anymore slots available for the 7 or so bootcamps. He only loses money.


he dosnt want to get hundreds of Decent pua's going out giving bootcamps for VA, thats what MM does, I know if i attend a VA bootcamp, I expect to be taught by a Mpua, that i have heard of, that I know who he is and what he's capable of.

So suggesting he hire more instucters and do more bootcamps, still dosnt work.

[Nutz]

Guys theres only so many bootcamps at a time, and even then, only like 10 or so students per bootcamp. Why lower it when, say, the 7 bootcamps per month, are always getting their slots filled?

Lower prices, more people wanting it, dosnt make anymore slots available for the 7 or so bootcamps. He only loses money.


he dosnt want to get hundreds of Decent pua's going out giving bootcamps for VA, thats what MM does, I know if i attend a VA bootcamp, I expect to be taught by a Mpua, that i have heard of, that I know who he is and what he's capable of.

So suggesting he hire more instucters and do more bootcamps, still dosnt work.

You're going right back and assuming they're selling out the bootcamps. TMK that's not the case anymore.

[Jetstar]

http://www.area51lifestyle.com/joed.php

http://www.area51lifestyle.com/brady.php

http://www.area51lifestyle.com/kosmo.php

[Sentinelrv]

I don't like the way that Area51 site is setup. I wish there was an actual complete list of the videos. The only way I knew there was a video of Brady was because I played with the URL.

[JekDaPUA]

Speaking of that site,

I've typed my details in 10 x now and not once received a single e-mail that would guide me to all the "exclusive pick up videos and so forth"

its really frustrating, everytime I go there its pretty much the same intro clip

whats going on damn it!

[Coleco]

i have had the same problems jek

[JeM]

And if anyone wants to flame me for having a different viewpoint, please do so in PM from now on. We're supposed to appear to be helping each other out here, not tearing each other down.

Wasn't meant as a flame dude (dunno if you were referencing me or not). Just a different point of view.


Trance

[city_knight]

Come on guys! You have learnt one of the most challenging aspects of life but when it comes to business skills seem to be making very little progress. "Fake it 'til you make it" - look at the most professional and profitable e-book enterprises and see what they do and copy it!

The whole commercial side of PU needs to assess its performance. It simply isn't a viable business model to re-package much the same product time after time with ever decreasing marketing skill.

[Nutz]

Got another message from Mike Long, but here's the good part:

http://www.area51lifestyle.com/mysterysmagnumopusreport.zip

The promised 7 videos everyone here has probably seen by now.

[Slick]

Take that link the fuck down...

[Sentinelrv]

This is almost like the Annihilation Method. What's it going to be, $5,000 for one DVD set. And then they only make a limited number of copies.

[LivinThedream]

Thats it? That was the big secret that everyone would "cry over" Im going to puke.

[Khaki]

Looks like a lot of the Area51Lifestyle stuff is on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/user/wwwarea51lifestyle

[Dynamism]

lol that was totally embarrassing.

I'm starting to get kinda tired of the whole MM/VA stuff. They seem more focused on hyping up their stuff and then providing crap.

I've spent some time on Charisma Arts recently and read some free blogs that made me think totally differently. I haven't gotten a lot of that from VA at all.

They are just good at presenting their stuff in a different light than what it really is.

But, learn while you can. =)

And does Mike Long's speech pattern annoy anyone else? Blah, they've turned a great self-improvement company into a $$$ focusing one. Rings bells and it means that it's time to move on to other things, for me at least. :) I'll learn what I can, but resources have been exhausted here. We're spinning tires in the same place.

[Charybdis]

What is the problem here? It will be a very great stuff, but you do not need to purchase it.

And there will be a 100% money back gurantee, so it is impossible to loose.

I am very happy that this product will launch. Yes, there are already great products in market, and also free stuff.

I think people will buy this because they think this IS what is going to help me at last. You will think, that you have an unfair advantage, or this method is much better and easier than all the others. But it is not a problem. You will get the belief, that this method is going to make you successful, because you are 100% sure it works.

That's the key, you will buy not only a product, but also the belief that this stuff is the newest, greatest thing, and it WILL help you. This is not wrong, you must be confident about the method.

And you can gather a lot of info on the internet much cheaper, or even free, but this product will save you time, because it will contain a lot of information, and you will see the system in whole. You dont have to search all day for pickup info then.

And again, there will be (I think) a money back guarantee. Mike Long, on area51marketing.com website sold out recently a search engine optimalization package for $997. (for 500 people maybe)

So this Magnum Opus will cost $997 probably. The idea behind this: Magnum Opus could be cheaper, but then the Area 51 Inc. would have to deal with more customers. So what is better? Sell it for $300 but deal with 3300 people, or sell it for $1000 and deal with 1000 people?

I am not happy because it will be expensive, but the reason is above. At least only serious people will buy it. And at least you will think: "I have bought this expensive package, so now I MUST go out 4 times per week, or it was a waste of money!"

[Jetstar]

The problem I have with the marketing is it is sleazy and offensive and I am beginning to think it’s more about Mike Long than anything else – (read the last sentence of the pdf , his circle of close friends). Just look at the photos he put of himself in the marketing pdf – bizarre. It looks like he’s trying to social proof himself using Mystery.
Lovedrop and Matador sack this Mike Long cat, in the marketing world he is an AFC. His attempt to DHV Mystery is coming off as DLV.

Venusian Arts + AFC Marketer = Loss of clientele/reputation

Mystery’s products will sell themselves – who doesn’t want Mystery’s latest technology, just put the word out and they will sell out your reputation intact.

[Goatie]

I for one totally agree with Jetstar

[Catspaw]

Mike Long needs to SHUT-THE-F*CK-UP :mad:

I'd rather watch Oprah and The View than listen to him continually interrupt Mystery.

BTW, anyone else find Mr. Long's "Valley Guy" like-you-know accent really annoying???

Just make the "Mind Of Mystery Manuscripts (With Lovedrop)" available for less-than $50, and keep the irritating Mike Long-continually-interrupting-Mystery CDs and DVDs!

[Mezmerize]

The marketing tactics of VA, Mike Long and Area 51 sound like carbon copies of stuff from the Rich Jerk methods... and if memory serves me correct "the Rich Jerk" has made an appearance or two at Mystery's parties. Soo is it safe to say that Mike Long = Rich Jerk or just a student of RJ's marketing school.

Really the current state of the pick up community is reaching critical mass, within 2 years time it will be inundated with self-proclaimed gurus and bring itself to a temporary low. This is similar to the housing boom at the turn of the century, anybody and everybody could be a realestate agent or flip houses for big cash, now you pactically have to give houses away to turn them over. All in all this is just a cycle and the big boys of VA are trying to cash in while the market is hot and Mystery has the appearance as "the one."

I don't blame them, for long term survival the next smart move Mystery & Co. could make is franchise and have local sessions taught in major cities by "Licenced MM Instructors." So not only would they have a centralized academy of sorts with a tuition but then you have a replication process so it's nearly the same thing being produced in every town at a much lower rate. A way to keep instructors on a leash is to run refferals through the web site, no walk in traffic. Costs could be kept to a minimum, and VA could take a cut of the action. In other words, be the McDonalds of PU and make it affordable for the crowd this was originally intended for... the common Joe.

**edit**

I just finished checking out the pdf file and the posting on the area51 site... this is totally a temperature check for the market, depending on the number of comments left for the contest will dictate the opening price of the package. Also in reading the pdf it obvious this smacks of RJ marketing techniques... create a sense of urgency and limited supply, salt and pepper an overly lengthy selling page with BOLD headlines. It works for a little while and that is what RJ's selling method tries to feed off of, a huge opening at an over-inflated price with little or no follow up sales then you dump the campaign and move on to the next; similar to pump and dump with stocks. This is not the best way to establish a respectable long-lived brand name.

[mR. PotenTial]

Nowadays, everything is all about $$$ guys.
That's just the way the world works now. :(

[phoenix]

Couldn't Mystery jsut tell us he has a new video series? That this one will have live infield action and be better then his last set?


Just tell us what all it has, and then sell it to us? Permantly, at a okay cost, maybey 300$, after all its like 27 dvds.

it wouldnt seem sleezy, and I would trust it.

[Nutz]

I don't blame them, for long term survival the next smart move Mystery & Co. could make is franchise and have local sessions taught in major cities by "Licenced MM Instructors." So not only would they have a centralized academy of sorts with a tuition but then you have a replication process so it's nearly the same thing being produced in every town at a much lower rate. A way to keep instructors on a leash is to run refferals through the web site, no walk in traffic. Costs could be kept to a minimum, and VA could take a cut of the action. In other words, be the McDonalds of PU and make it affordable for the crowd this was originally intended for... the common Joe.


I would LOVE to see this. It's exactly how a lot of martial arts schools operate. Instructors get "certified" under various known instructors and then teach said instructors' curriculum. You could have PUA schools that teach Stylelife, others that teach MM, others that teach VA, and others still that get multiple "certifications" and can teach multiple curriculums or a hybrid like most JKD academies do.

Speaking of a multi-school operation, I'm working with some folks in the community (of various disciplines) and if you have any vids you'd like to post, please add yourself to our group:

http://www.youtube.com/group/pickup

It's open to amateur and professional PUAs alike and is meant to transcend the boarders of the various camps that are cropping up. Think of it as the UN of pickup.

[Nutz]

I would LOVE to see this. It's exactly how a lot of martial arts schools operate. Instructors get "certified" under various known instructors and then teach said instructors' curriculum. You could have PUA schools that teach Stylelife, others that teach MM, others that teach VA, and others still that get multiple "certifications" and can teach multiple curriculums or a hybrid like most JKD academies do.

Looks like someone is listening to the community. Mehow just announced they're moving in that direction.

http://affiliate.besocial.tv/

To be honest I'm not really all that crazy about his material--it's good and has something to offer (most of the big operators do). What blows my skirt up and is making me such a fan is how the guy runs his business. His newsletters don't have the same spamish taste that SL and VA's often do and he's been giving away a lot of free tidbits in his videos and emails. Now this affiliate program pops up. What's not to like?!

[Smoke]

I recieved this link today http://venusianarts.c.topica.com/maah5GVabBFN2b9sILQbaehtzV/ . This is a link to a PDF. This seems to be something like style's annihaltion method with workbooks and many videos and cd's hopefully better though. Has anyone learned anymore about this, im afraid it may just be an advertising stunt.

Smoke

[kjtw]

I recieved this link today http://venusianarts.c.topica.com/maah5GVabBFN2b9sILQbaehtzV/ . This is a link to a PDF. This seems to be something like style's annihaltion method with workbooks and many videos and cd's hopefully better though. Has anyone learned anymore about this, im afraid it may just be an advertising stunt.

Smoke

This is the link to Mystery's Magnum Opus - The Mind of Mystery report. It is a big 34 page document that touts how great Mystery is and how successful his system is. There are a couple of videos embeded into the document but they are not new. They are all videos available on You Tube. It is, in fact, an advertisment for Mystery's new home study course that is going to be coming out soon (sure to be over a thousand dollars) and a link to enter to win the system for free. No new information on PU included...I believe that this was Mystery's big announcement btw...

[Smoke]

I never said the report was. my point was the actuall program being talked about, Dont misunderstand im sure it is nothing new but maybe that is the suprise haha a new more expensive bigger program

Smoke

[kjtw]

Mike Long sent out another email today (maybe yesterday) saying that Mystery may be giving away more than one of these things...we will see.

Sorry Smoke, I didn't mean to say anything other than what the report was. The Magnum Opus - The Mind of Mystery home study course is the news. Yes, I agree with you from before, it was a big advertising gimmic...but, hopefully they will release this thing and someone besides Bill Gates will be able to afford it....time shall tell...time shall tell...

[Smoke]

you got it and i didnt mean to jump on you i brainfarted atleast we all have this figured out 25,000 posts later. you are right we will see.

Respect
Smoke

[baggins321]

http://www.squidoo.com/mindofmysteryreview

[ReallyPatheticFatSlob]

I would LOVE to see this. It's exactly how a lot of martial arts schools operate. Instructors get "certified" under various known instructors and then teach said instructors' curriculum. You could have PUA schools that teach Stylelife, others that teach MM, others that teach VA, and others still that get multiple "certifications" and can teach multiple curriculums or a hybrid like most JKD academies do.

Speaking of a multi-school operation, I'm working with some folks in the community (of various disciplines) and if you have any vids you'd like to post, please add yourself to our group:

http://www.youtube.com/group/pickup

It's open to amateur and professional PUAs alike and is meant to transcend the boarders of the various camps that are cropping up. Think of it as the UN of pickup.

There would be a pick-up company in every mall in America. Men can go to their pick-up lesson, then afterwards drop by the food court and grab an overpriced cookie and some chinese.

Fluffy top hats will be an item carried by Walmart, the hat will be wrapped in a package that reads,"Be just like Mystery - VH-1 Superstar Pick-up Artist." At the bottom of the package written in small letters will be, "Routines not included."

A lot of schools of pick-up are moving beyond routines and canned material, The Mystery Method is kind of old skool according to some people, yet most of these pick-up guys took a bootcamp taught by Mystery to get good.

I want to record some of my in-field sarges. Yet I don't know anything about hardware.

[Nutz]

I want to record some of my in-field sarges. Yet I don't know anything about hardware.

I'm in the process of doing just that. In fact my computer is chomping away on a tape from last Saturday night that I need to edit and post. What I did is recorded our presarge practice--yes, I practice--and break down the material for newbies. The biggest problem is getting the time down to 10 minutes and the video compressed to 100mb in order for youtube to accept it.

Next time when we go out I'll have someone taping the interaction as folks can get a good look at what a live sarge looks like, similar to Infield Exposed or Mystery's upcoming video set. Surprisingly there are very few infield videos and it'd be nice if others did this as well so we could help each other out, not only by giving examples, but by getting feedback and corrections as well.

[Jetstar]

Mike,

I can't spend much time writing this post, I have some beautiful women picking me up in a sec.

So how much is this set going to cost? All the fucken crap we have to read in your emails, makes me feel like I'm gettin fucked up the ass. If I buy the DVD's, I WILL feel violated by your shitty marketing.

You know what? The DVD set is WILL sell out just because it is Mystery's product. When it does.... don't think that you had anything to do with it! It's Mystery's rep that has done the hard work. You're just a seagull, eating up all the crumbs.

Thank God his rep is more compelling than your marketing, otherwise you would have turned everyone off.

Oh. Only six 10 minutes videos of Mystery infield. That is shit.

Mehow's Infield is calling my name.

Darn it! The girls have arrived I have to go.

[Charybdis]

Ahhhhhhh...

IT COSTS $2397
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Nutz]

Ahhhhhhh...

IT COSTS $2397


Frack! Well so much for that idea. I'd love to get a copy, but I just had to replace two cars this week, so no bootcamps or DVDs for me for a while. :mad:

There was a silver lining though, which is a direct result from you guys. I got the new cars for a really great deal because of the skills I've learned here. Keep up the good work!

[kjtw]

Frack! Well so much for that idea. I'd love to get a copy, but I just had to replace two cars this week, so no bootcamps or DVDs for me for a while. :mad:

There was a silver lining though, which is a direct result from you guys. I got the new cars for a really great deal because of the skills I've learned here. Keep up the good work!

See, and people think that these skills only apply to PU...I use the skills I have learned every day in my business...used game to get a female business owner to sign a contract with my company...opened, DHV'd, created attraction (to my service and me of course), gave her some props...had some conversation...and finally closed the deal!

The concepts of PU apply in so many aspects of one's life, people would be surprised if they really lookd at it closer. It isn't about manipulation and lies...its about effective communication!!!

KJtW

PS...hopefully you can save up some cash for the bootcamp...I am going to one VERY soon and am EXTREMELY excited!!!