How does one use a Pivot?

[smoothie]

First things first. HI ALL! I’m Smoothie. Joined the forum today and look forward to getting to know all of you. Like many before me I found the community after reading Neil’s book “The Game” and haven’t looked back. I’ve been kicking around on some of the other forums for a while now so I have a good idea how it all runs.

Now that my introduction is out the way I’ll get straight down to business.

From my wussy days of not having the balls to make a move and falling in to the LJBF trap, I have made MANY attractive female friends. I’ve talked to a few of them (roughly 5) about being my Pivot and I’ve had no objections to the idea as of yet.
So here’s the thing I have a couple of smoking hot girls who want to Pivot me and I don’t have a clue what to do with them. There asking me what I want them to do and I honestly don’t know.
So I guess my question is, How does one use a pivot?

Is it enough to just walk in to the club with her around your arm? Cos I’m pretty sure there’s more to it than just that. Help!

[Johnny.Vegas]

Welcome Smoothie.

Have you read the VAH ? Basically the way that I understand Pivots, are that they are somewhat similar to wings. If you go out with an attractive pivot(s) they help aid in social proof. They can also help you open sets, merge sets, help in accomplishment intro's, help show pre-qualification, aid in creating jealousy plotines and keeping the rest of the set occupied whilst you isolate your target.

I think the success of how you accomplish this, is what you've worked out with your Pivot. It be best for you guys to work out how you are going to operate in the field etc.

[Syren]

You don't "use" anyone. Girls are great for social proof. Especially if you can be visually and outwardly playful with them. The idea is to be seen with hot girls. Anything beyond that is a bit much.

[Cedar]

So here’s the thing I have a couple of smoking hot girls who want to Pivot me and I don’t have a clue what to do with them.

Stop thinking like a PUA. It's an artificial mindset. Focus on hanging out, having a good time. Tell these girls you're no good at getting girls and you need their help. How? Two ways.

1. Cold approach. Bring some friends to the bar. Have fun. Run an opinion opener or some shit. Grab a pivot and get opinions from another set. Do your thing with your target. Done deal.

2. Social circle. Get your friends to introduce you to other girls. Straight up. You're looking for girls. She knows girls. Tell her to invite you out next time she's with friends. Meet her friends, done deal.

[Harlequin]

You don't "use" anyone. Girls are great for social proof. Especially if you can be visually and outwardly playful with them. The idea is to be seen with hot girls. Anything beyond that is a bit much.

I hear they make good doorstops. Pfft.

I don't even like the term pivot, granted you're girl-friends can be pivotal with the interaction; you have a game-savvy hot female wing & your own game is not too shabby, you're made. There's no need to be kino shy with your wing-girl, there's a fine balance, any girl watching will wonder if she's your ex, just your friend or if you're sleeping together. That wondering is a good thing for you. Curiosities like to be satisfied just like libido. It's another layer of the interaction for you to work through.

Merging sets is great, you can introduce your so called obstacles to each other & end up with the girl you desire. There's nothing better that a hot wing-girl to occupy an amog. She knows what's going on & hey, she'll have plans of her own... there's mutual benefit.

And of course you slept with her... you sly dog (' *,)

[Mild_Seven]

What's up, Smoothie? I brought a visiting female friend out with me to a club recently, and sets flew open. It helped that she was attractive and perky as hell. Not one set failed to open when she was with me, and merging sets was piss easy. I would work on my target while she occupied the rest of the set. I never asked her to be my pivot and we were techincally just hanging out, but she naturally helped me open, occupy sets, and I heard her repeatedly Accomplishment Intro me as a really helpful guy who took care of her and showed her around the city. I think any female friend would do all of those things without much prompting from you. Just make sure she doesn't AI you as "the sweetest, nicest guy I've ever met" or something wimpy like that.

The downside was that she expected me to stick with her and not wander off with some other girl, so I couldn't push sets that far. I had to just build attraction and number close. If they've actually agreed to be your pivot, you can discuss those kinds of details, like what happens if you want to isolate a girl or take a girl home or whatever happens. Girls hate being left alone, so if you can bring 2 or more pivots go for it, then you won't have big problems in those situations.

[bugsy111]

I hear they make good doorstops. Pfft.

I don't even like the term pivot, granted you're girl-friends can be pivotal with the interaction; you have a game-savvy hot female wing & your own game is not too shabby, you're made. There's no need to be kino shy with your wing-girl, there's a fine balance, any girl watching will wonder if she's your ex, just your friend or if you're sleeping together. That wondering is a good thing for you. Curiosities like to be satisfied just like libido. It's another layer of the interaction for you to work through.

Merging sets is great, you can introduce your so called obstacles to each other & end up with the girl you desire. There's nothing better that a hot wing-girl to occupy an amog. She knows what's going on & hey, she'll have plans of her own... there's mutual benefit.

And of course you slept with her... you sly dog (' *,)

nice words

[smoothie]

You don't "use" anyone.

Your right use was the wrong wording. What I really meant is if there any techniques to having a pivot or female wing.

I mean other than keeping the group occupied and showing social proof that I have this playful relationship with the woman around me are the any other ways my pivot can help me along?

Like lets say while I leave the set for so-n-so reason (toilet, get a drink etc.) My F-Wing could throw in how she has been trying to lay me for ages now but I turn her down every time. This would not only be a major DHV by saying that I don’t fuck every girl that comes my way, that I have some standards, but would also peak curiosity.

This seems good on paper to me but what do you guys think?

(Thanks for all your feedback btw guys it is most appreciated)

Also I know this is really newbular of me but what do you mean by AI?
(I'm guessing not artificial intelligence)

[Syren]

Like lets say while I leave the set for so-n-so reason (toilet, get a drink etc.) My F-Wing could throw in how she has been trying to lay me for ages now but I turn her down every time. This would not only be a major DHV by saying that I don’t fuck every girl that comes my way, that I have some standards, but would also peak curiosity.

AI's are approach invitations.

Thats a horrible thing to get a girl to say, one because in a club very few others will hear that, and two, girls would rarley use that kind of language if they know they're being heard. Granted *some* will say "I really wanna fuck him", but most likley they will say "I really like him, but I'm not sure if he likes me, he knows so many girls... I just don't know...".

You're going for strong bodylanguage, it can be seen throughout the bar/club and has way more impact that what is actually said.

[smoothie]

Body Language aye? That makes a lot of sense. So through my body language with my female friend I should be conveying how fun and playful I am. I mean I know I should convey that I’m fun and playful anyway but its amplified by having a female friend there to bounce of. Is that right?