Female Pickup Artists

[chuyerik]

I was wondering about Female Pickup Artists and they're existence, but I was especially wondering what is it that women can do to catch a guy's attention beyond the good looks, body language (confidence), and demonstrations of interest. Or are women simply at the mercy of the guy's preferences and interests. Is it just a matter of "HOT or NOT?"

What do you guys think? Do they exist? If so, what techniques do/can they use? More generally, what can women do to attract a guy beyond the mostly unalterable things (looks, for example)?

Here are my two cents:

From what I can tell, I would say that the idea of "the most direct way to a man's heart is through his ego" does not hold true in some cases... I don't think what I perceive as an unattractive girl would manage to get me attracted to her by means of massaging my ego, although she might get me to befriend her in the long run. I have not yet changed my mind about any girl whom I believed to be unattractive who has massaged my ego... it just hasn't worked for me.

In Dr. Laura's "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands," she states that men desire four main things from a woman: Attention, Approval, Appreciation, and Affection. However, I'm not sure when, if ever, this would get me attracted to a girl. But then again, I'm not 100% sure.

Here are some interesting suggestions to women, most of which I agree with:

http://www.wikihow.com/Seduce-a-Man

What are your thoughts?

[Akimbo]

I suspect the part you mean to talk about, for female pickup artists, is more the seduction and managing expectations phase rather than attraction. For women looking good is what attracts. As guys, our evaluation of a woman does not go very much deeper than looks. This is why sometimes we can think it is HBs who have the control of an interaction because they're holding demands, such as fishing for a drink or closing down attempted pickups, on the face value of their beauty and how easily they can get guys with their asthetic appeal. So generally speaking, I reckon that a female pua would not have to invest in much more than her sexual allure. HBs are treated differently, perhaps with more respect and caution over certain nuances. Beauty comes easily though. You're born with it. So it's an undue respect for men to be intimidated by beauty. The purpose of pickup is not to simply work become a toned adonis or sexy nymph (women), it is to become adaptable and fluent in all kinds of social situation and environment.

Making themselves look hot and attracting men is not hard if they put in effort. What they get from the onlookers and uptakers is perhaps a lot more challenging to determine though. That's where social tools come into play, to weed out who they (and we) don't see fit. I guess there is a pickup market out there for women, it's just that they're not ready for it yet. Whether or not, overall, they see the current seduction community of men as bad, we are still stronger for it. To observe and correct fault in ourselves and change things and people around us for the better is an admirable choice.

For those of us who are perhaps less deluded and naive, and do not deceive ourselves with the idea that 'it is solely the women who choose us', things like having our ego massaged and receiving attention, approval, appreciation and affection start gaining a bigger role.

It's part of an experienced PUA's sophistication, as a glorified man of self-improvement, not to let beauty, or an HB's social ranking, make him anxious about an approach. It isn't about making predefined steps so much as retaining an essentially solid social interaction, maintaining rapport and laying down flow to their game. Everything else goes with it, with each fundamental progression working its way in. We otherwise keep looking for that connection or base level to work from. If we do not keep each other's interest or the interaction is a bit jittery, we move on. Simple.

I don't see why the rules as a PUA should necessarily be much different for women if they see pickup as an artform. Pickup is just a name given to something much larger. It's not absolutely all about the opposite sex, but what you want out of life and this society we exist in. It's about finding a new frame and way of living, bringing out the best in yourself and others. Arguabley, everyone aspires to that.

Akimbo.

[noblepaladin]

I think there are some women who can learn some techniques that will let them have access to more guys. It's just that the average female knows most of them already. Have you ever seen a nerdy girl in class or something and thought that she could have very good potential if she wore better clothes and used make up? There could be a course made for women like this. However, these "AFC women" usually choose not to improve their social skills for whatever reason. Because all the material they need are in those girly fashion magazines, etc. Also, they can easily learn from their female peers. I blame extreme feminist ideals for this, these AFC women are so convinced that their intelligence actually matters and it would override any social ineptitudes. I am not trying to hate here, the same is true for AFC guys (they believe that because they are smart and nice, they will have relationship with women). The truth is that academic intelligence and social intelligence are completely different aspects, and both are important to having a good life. Many women wish that guys would be attracted to them for stuff other than beauty, much like how AFC guys wish that girls would be attracted to them for their brains and "niceness". Maybe someone can write a book about how to "fix" these socially inept women, but most of the stuff can be easily found in girl magazine anyways.

There probably can be some routines that girls can learn to encourage a guy to ask her out, but girls tend to be attracted to guys who already have this skill set already. So they won't need it if they are after high value men. Maybe there are some routines that girls can use to protect their value, but most girls seem to know them anyways (ASD, LMR, etc). Many women know how to play the game well that a female PUA is simply a women has been to public gatherings several times. They are masters already.

I guess one form of Female PUAs are exotic dancers. I know they use routines and other tactics heavily, such as giving intentional IOIs, Negs/Shit-tests (Ex: tricking a guy into proving that he is not gay by buying a dance from her, it's a brilliant tactic), etc. I believe that many exotic dancers are actually trained with specific routines. I've heard from some friends that they had the exact same conversations with two different dancers before. (Ex: Girl asks how old the guy is. She says she is two years younger than him. She finds out guy goes to college, she says she goes to college too. Etc. She tries to create a connection by trying to appear similar, so the guy will tip her more). It is actually pretty fascinating because they seem very well trained and methodical, much like how MM breaks down an interaction.

[hexxeh]

Even if they DO exist which I have doubts in, think of it this way, a not so good looking man can get a good looking braud. However its almost impossible for a not good looking woman to get a good looking man. agreed?

[Nine-Leaf Clover]

I've actually seen less-attractive girls make themselves the social center of the room, to the detriment of the HBs present, with the guys clamoring for the loud, fun girl's attention.

Of course, the HBs still get hit on by those who smell opportunity in an HB who is being ignored, but you get the idea. Personality goes a long way.

[Pipedreamz]

I agree with 9leaf clover, I've known a girl before who wasn't ugly but wasn't hot, just average. But her personality and attitude was what set her apart. She would always be having a good time and socializing with everyone in a playful manner.

She had that little extra something that made her attractive. I guess she was really just communicating a lot of the stuff that the venusian arts have taught us... except she didn't have any crazy gambits or else she would've been money.

[Jmgc13]

If you have watched the show there was one episode where the girl is the one that opened the set and was continuing it on so they do exsist; however, you want to tend to stay away from those.

[Cedar]

Even if they DO exist which I have doubts in, think of it this way, a not so good looking man can get a good looking braud. However its almost impossible for a not good looking woman to get a good looking man. agreed?


Disagreed. Most alpha females aren't hot. Just cute, with strong social skills.

[gaash2]

Disagreed. Most alpha females aren't hot. Just cute, with strong social skills.

Eh.. a not hot girl can sleep w/a hot guy, but turn him into a boyfriend or anything more than a guy just using her for sex? Highly unlikely.

[Cedar]

Eh.. a not hot girl can sleep w/a hot guy, but turn him into a boyfriend or anything more than a guy just using her for sex? Highly unlikely.


I look forward to completing this conversation AFTER you've been in field longer.

[Apolo]

i think one main point here is guys care a lot more about looks than girls do.. i read this in men's health but according to some study they did the most important traits a woman looks for and only 17% said looks, 20 percent inteligence (or somethin close), 20 percent confidence, 40 percent humor.. Men also like strong personalities, but looks are a lot more important to them i would say. 30-40%