ethics question

[coyote]

Ethics question. I’m 55 in shape; I have kind of a Sean Connery thing going on. Coupled Mystery’s books and two years of dedication to the principles, I’m lethal. I’ve used what I have learned to fill my life with a really fun job and a book case of interesting friends who I relate to on spiritual level. I am having a lot fun but, as Aristotle said.

“It remains true that the greatest injustices proceed from those who pursue excess, not from those who are driven by necessity”.

So here is the situation. A couple of times a month my friends and I enjoy a good meal and then go out to see a local band, who we are also friends with, play at some of the clubs around here. This band has quite the following and we see a lot of the same people from time to time. What we do is, as a group we pick people out that we find interesting especially attractive women, of course . Then I use my skills to go get them bring them in to the group and have fun. I use the cube, the four questions routines and I have a Nordstroms routine I really like.

The last two times we’ve gone out, there has been this very attractive 30 something couple present she’s hb10+ impossible not to notice. They look like they ought to be on a wedding cake together. Not married but he obviously wants to be and he is smothering her. It’s painful to watch the poor afc blow it over time.

This is what happens; my group comes in, she moves them so she can observe me without turning her head if I move they move. She gives me this (when are you going to come over a talk to me) look and he gives me this (please mister don’t come over and talk to her) look. Now me, I’m not above a thirty something hb10+ when opportunity knocks once in a while but fifty something intelligent hb8s hb9s is my comfort zone and I stay there for the most part. I’d like to bring these two into my circle but if I do she will end up in my bed and he’ll end up destroyed…lot of drama.

It would be a much better decision not to but she is just so damn HOT. What do you guys think about this?
Coyote

[Tim Strong]

I think you should go for it.

Theres no point in living life concerned about what other people thing, if you want something - you should go out there and take it.

So this guy like a girl. Whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, unless I'm freinds personally with the guy, any chick is fair game. This has gotten me into trouble, but the stories are worth it

Go for it mate!

[oktar]

I dont think there is a universal "ethical" rule about this. If you would regret later destroying their relationship then you shouldnt go. I usually dont go after girls who are in a relationship or with a guy in the venue, even when the girls come to me by themselves, I show sexual disinterest and let the guy take the girl. it is about my inner game thing. I just dont want to ruin a happy relationship, just because I can and I want a cute girl for a night. Some guys do/try that which I dont also judge them for doing that (even to my gfs many times) but so far I saw no guy succeeded either with my gfs or the girls I know. My only exception is those type of guys, cos if they like or in a relationship with a girl that I like/fancy, it is my joy to get their girl. simple as that.

Actually this weekend a very funny thing happened that I will probably never forget in my life. There was a HB100+ (yes a hundred, since I couldnt find any flaw on her. total greek goddess) dancing in front of me with a guy. he was ugly, (probably high as well), dancing funny/bad, nothing intimate with her etc. I wouldnt even consider him as an obstacle, as he was not even an AFC! She looked pretty much bored with dancing with him, but she was still dancing with him! She was always making back turns, checking me out, making eye contact, meanwhile I was trying to figure out their interaction (as he could be her colleague as well). Then I went for grabbing a drink for myself. when I came back to the dancefloor I saw her approaching to a really good looking guy (probably the best looking guy in the club) who was standing next to the dancefloor and texting. She grabbed his hands and invited him to dance. While I was hitting my head on the wall regretting why I simply not went for her, they started dancing... and he tried to escalate. She didnt repond, even not allowed him to escalate (which is kinda unusual in sweden especially when the girl comes to you!). They dance for a few minutes. he was really good dancing with the girl, intimate, but within the limits she allowed. Then she went back her AFC guy. hugged him. went towards the bar, making that good looking guy follow her like a puppy dog. Hugged the bartender (that she knew before I guess), then went to that AFC guy and left the club with her AFC guy! I still do not know her interaction with that AFC guy but sometimes girls just want to be validated. That is why she went to that best looking guy, made him her puppy, felt good about being able to attract the best looking guy. but still left the club on the arms of that AFC guy.

You do not know why she is with him. Maybe he has something going on that you cant see just by observing him from a distance. Maybe you should just bring those into your circle and see what he has going on, why she is with him. and if you are really convinced that she is only with him since she has no better options, then go for her. I know how painful it is seeing really HB10+s with AFCs, but it is also much painful when those HB10+s really committed in those guys and use you as a tool to validate herself and prove herself that even she is with that AFC guy for some reasons, she can get any high quality guy whenever she wants.

[Tim Strong]

is it really painful to see an "HB10" with a guy... I mean who gives a shit?

If i see a hot girl with a guy my blood doesn't boil...

Maybe you should live a bit more in your own reality instead of comparing yourself to others ;)

beauty is subjective as well as objective

[oktar]

I totally agree on that everyone should live their own reality..but not their own illusion ;)

[Tim Strong]

what is the difference?

perception = reality

[coyote]

Thanks Tim Strong, oktar
All good points, I really like this forum, reading your younger takes on life. Interesting, innovative but sometimes shallow.

Tim Strong, have you ever put a married couple in to counseling for over a year, because she looked like Michelle Pfeiffer? Sex with a sexually deprived married woman is intensified by taboo and she thinks it’s that’s just how the sex is with you and her. (Asbestos ice cream) it may taste great, but I’m not goanna eat it ever again.

As to the hb10+’s current relationship… Nietzsche would say (if the relationship can’t survive the environment it should die) that might be why she brought her boyfriend there, to kill it.

My experience is that most women don’t wade from relationship to relationship they step from rock to rock so they’re never really outside relationship.

As to validation, how embarrassing, I had not thought of that. Great anecdote oktar, of course the hb10+ expects every guy in the place, who’s got the guts, approaching her. If they don’t something’s wrong and she starts trying harder. Outstanding, useful tool thanks.

As to reality, in this discipline, we swim through other peoples realities like fish (our reality is we swim through other people’s realities like fish).

So oktar you experienced an HB100+ (the white buffalo) rare but they exist. I’m 55 I’ve seen two. The first on a busy London street few years back. It wasn’t just her beauty, it was her Presence. She stopped every man on that street or they took three more unconscious steps and stopped some of them were too frozen to turn and stare. She was twenty feet in front of me; I saw the street stopping before I saw her. When I did, she was looking me in the eye. I must have had this duuuhh expression on my face because she smirked looked down, then up and winked. I was frozen just like the rest of them. If she had said “would you go attack Russia for me?” I’d have done it. She walked around the corner and into HB100+ lore.

What will I do with the hb10+ next time I see her? I’m goanna open.
coyote

[oktar]

Oh man, they sure exist. I think it is not only their beauty or figure but mostly how they carry themselves. you can tell that she is somebody who is content with herself. The first one I met and dated was three years ago which lasted about 9 months and she fucked my life afterwards because since then I am looking for such a girl... I saw the second one two months ago in a club. Timing was not appropriate both for her side and my side so I skipped. Luckily I skipped since later I found out that she is after some other guy, which would make my chances minimal if not zero at that time. interestingly that guy she is after turned out to be a PUA. I dont know his level but I saw him later. Although he plays his cards well for her right now, when I looked in his eyes I saw that insecure guy. She will definitely get him, but I dont think she will keep him long once she is done with enjoying the chase. then I will make my move. and the third girl was last week as I said. I still dont know much about her, and dont care that much either since right now the other one looks like she would suit me more by her personality as I found out many other things about her later. For sure I will also make some search on the second girl as well since the bartender she hugged is also my friend ;)

Good luck with your girl