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Spartan Erik
11-14-2011, 11:41 AM
How do I go indirect without coming off as an interviewer or a questaire, an HB asked if it was a questionaire ?

Techniq
11-14-2011, 01:34 PM
You didn't even say what opener you used. I'm assuming by her reaction it was an opinion opener.. if so, I'll comment by asking questions.

What was your body language?

Were you congruent with someone genuinely wanting to know a female opinion on something?

What were you subcommunicating? subtext really speaks volumes.

What was your backstory? IF you can't tell her a proper backstory, why are you asking the question in the first place? ( this ties into your subtext)
A PROPER indirect opener does not telegraph interest, comes across as non-needy, leaves the girls comfortable in the approach and is a genuinely good conversation. This requires proper body language, subcommunication, and tonality for congruence. Add to that a good vibe and you enter the set with a slightly higher energy to boost buying temperature..

I have a background in acting, so I always know what i'm subcommunicating before I enter the set, and I do this by going through the scenario before the opener..

--here's an example subtext.
you were riding in a car with a friend of yours over to the bar, and she was playing that kesha song on the radio, and now its stuck in your head... especially that part about mick jagger... he's old.. he's not attractive.. or is he? (oh a whim) Oh look, there's some girls, they can answer that question for me (before I get back to my friends)

You: "hey guys, is Mick Jagger hot?"
Girl 1: "No way!"
Girl 2: "Is this a questionaire?
You: "Actually, I was riding over here with my friend Stephanie and she had that kesha song on the radio and the song was like 'Kick em' to the curb unless they look like Mick Jagger' .. I didn't think he was attractive at all."

and now you can multi-thread into whatever routines are in your stack.

Also, if you really have genuine questions, wanting a genuine female opinion on things really show you the path. I remember a friend of mine getting up and leaving after dinner at a restaurant because I was talking to some girls in the booth behind us. I really wanted to know why she got up and left (she wouldn't return my calls) and wanted to know what was going on, but the story itself played out like a soap opera and was total chick crack. I was genuinely interested in what they had to say, and it had a more profound effect than running the words of any opener. I really wanted to know what they thought, and nowadays I mimic that level of genuineness on my openers to get the same effect.

Epicure
12-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Why do you suppose she asked if it was a questionnaire?

I used to get that when I would ask more than one question, one after another.
Also, I would approach where I was physically 180 degrees in front of the girl I opened. It must have felt I was confronting her. So, now I open over my shoulder, as if she already was in a conversation with me and i just noticed her to the side. The other way made it seem like I walked over like a tv reporter to ask her something. Now, I make believe that I am at a big party at my house and she is one of the guests and I am just casually including her in a conversation because she just happens to be near me when I just happened to think of whatever it was that came to my head. But really, I practiced that opener and I practiced being casual.

Tim Strong
12-10-2011, 02:06 PM
don't ask so many questions!

make statements.

ask a question, she answers, and then you make a statement regarding her answer or something else new.

indirect has this problem, which is why direct is preferred.