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WANine
09-13-2007, 10:30 AM
Wrong
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/personal/09/07/wingman/index.html
CNN is pretty close to as big as exposure gets. Not to mention every single non-pua forum is talking about it now, so is myspace, so is facebook so is everything.
So all you guys who stuck with me in the beginning and said it would completely blow the top off the PUA tent, way to be right.
Everyone else, we told you so.
ninjamunky
09-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Of course it'll show if you're using the exact same lines as exampled. But that's the thing. They are just that. Examples. They aren't meant to be used all the time every time. They are to show you the basics and for you to expound upon them.
The whole thing is a science and just by being on this forum, other forums, reading the books, etc. you are studying it. Then, when used discreetly enough, you can apply the science without it being obvious. It's just a psychological science.
If a girl asked me something like if I flossed before or after I brushed, I'd know.
If she asked if I thought two girls kissing when one had a boyfriend was cheating, then it might not be so obvious. You're just a pessimist who seeks validation. You're not 'right' about anything. People are still going to be able to talk to girls and pick up girls using the METHODS rather than the lines.
The only thing this will be the end of is social robots, and really isn't that a good thing for the PUA community?
xenos
09-13-2007, 11:48 AM
Agree. It's good. Be more natural. As we all get better at this, lucky for those starting now who have to be, it can only be good.
WANine
09-13-2007, 11:48 AM
You're just a pessimist who seeks validation.
lol gotta love when new members try to neg people on the internet using words that they read about in the VAH like "validation". Especially when the insult doesn't event make sense in the context of the thread.
You're not 'right' about anything. People are still going to be able to talk to girls and pick up girls using the METHODS rather than the lines.
Wrong. The methods have been exposed, you can change the variables all you want but the smarter girls (and guys who are watching for anything they might percieve to be PUA) will still pick up on it.
Just look at all the "BUSTED BY THE SHOW!!!" stuff going on. Don't be blind to it.
Wrong. The methods have been exposed, you can change the variables all you want but the smarter girls (and guys who are watching for anything they might percieve to be PUA) will still pick up on it.
Not necessarily, man. The methods are based on Social Dynamics - the science behind the interaction of intelligent creatures (humans being at the top of this list). You could use 100% original material that follows the MM theory step by step, and most people wouldn't pick up on it. If someone does pick up on it, then that just means that they understand Social Dynamics and human psychology as well - they're smart, awesome. But they can't put your social skills, whether learned or naturally attained, against you lest they make a prick of themselves.
Be congruent, hold your frame, and it won't make the slightest difference if they ran a CNN news report specifically about you being a PUA - hence the reason why Mystery, Style, Matador, etc are still getting laid.
Dynamism
09-13-2007, 12:02 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
It's over for PUAs. ;) We're through. Done with. Kaputz.
(Te-hee - if u couldn't tell... sarcasm)
Yep. We're screwed. :rolleyes:
Dynamism
09-13-2007, 12:08 PM
Put it this way:
This game is hard as fucking hell.
Put it another way:
We're designed for change. All you short-sighted peoples have went this far to study social dynamics - - - why don't you look at the big picture and stop the bitching?
I used to be really insecure about this stuff becoming "common" knowledge to people, at the beginning of this year.
But then I realized that most guys will read it and will not invest in it.
And as long as you are your own man, a woman will NOT analyze everything and backward engineer it to figure out at what point in your life you "decided" to become good with women. Ha ha.
Dynamism
09-13-2007, 12:19 PM
Oh, and put it this way:
You cannot become a good pick-up artist if you don't have your shit in life settled. You aware of how much work that takes for people?
The idea of "improving your life" has been out for ... how many years? How many people are serious about it?
And I also didn't get the article. What's the relevance to what you say and the article itself? So two guys walk into a club and the girls immediately assume they are out on the hunt? Or if a guy and a girl walk in a room, they assume the girl is his wing?
Is there possibly a better way of looking at the same situation, WANie?
And also, the people who DO get called out, how good are they? How congruent are they?
I ask a lot of questions, but they have to be answered, don't you think?
lazarus paradise
09-13-2007, 12:38 PM
What ever happened to good ol fashion social skills :p
The only thing it will expose is people blatantly using the methods. IF you are good and understand social interaction and human nature you have nothing to worry about. Just like a magician who has practiced tricks for years and someone who just learned tricks (people will usually call the newbie out). At my college campus I hear guys walking up to girls with horrible creepy body language saying "can I get your opinion on something?" it is amusing. The cream will rise to the top, the more you practice in the field the better you get.
WANine
09-13-2007, 12:51 PM
Right, and you know they're going to try PU because they say "Can I get your opinion on something". It doesn't matter what they say after "Can I get your opinion on something", be it jealous gf, or something completely original, because once a girl here's those 7 words, she'll be on high alert (if she's aware of PU).
Dynamism I'll reply in a bit, I have some homework that's due in an hour :(
that's why opinion openers are generally considered "weak", dude...you can use pretty much anything as an opener, as long as it's congruent.
lazarus paradise
09-13-2007, 12:58 PM
Right, and you know they're going to try PU because they say "Can I get your opinion on something". It doesn't matter what they say after "Can I get your opinion on something", be it jealous gf, or something completely original, because once a girl here's those 7 words, she'll be on high alert (if she's aware of PU).
Dynamism I'll reply in a bit, I have some homework that's due in an hour :(
If you want to do the jealous girlfriend opener walk up smiling and looking at your cellphone like you just got a text message from your friend that has the jealous girlfriend and said "hey guys I just got this text from my friend I need your opinion..." It is all in the presentation.
yes, don't forget to anchor it - an anchored opinion opener is less lame than an unanchored one.
ninjamunky
09-13-2007, 04:11 PM
Apparently you're not an English major. So let me break it down for you. You are "seeking validation." I don't care if it's been used in books, online, wherever... you're posting up your argument and looking for others to say that you're right so that you'll feel gratified. You're being self-gratifying ("I'm right, I've been right all along, right guys?") However, you have to say something because you're not 100% sure. You're expecting the rest of us to confirm, which no one will.
Like someone else said. This will eliminate "social robots," or people who are not clever enough to break the ice and continue conversation, leading to the eventual start of a relationship - all of this on their own, in their own words, etc.
Jeez, what is this, the Y2K?
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