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chuyerik
09-12-2007, 11:36 AM
I was introducing the Mystery Method to a close friend of mine and we came upon a concern due to the appearance of the VH1 show "The Pickup Artist." The concern was that the MM (Mystery Method) would soon go out of style or efficacy. The reasoning wasn't completely clear, but it goes something like this:

Now that the show is becoming common knowledge to men AND women alike, and thus the technique, more men will desire to use it and act in a certain way while women will be more aware of the technique and will be able to spot potential suitors as they go about their game. The discrete element of the method will no longer exist because telegraphing interest will be noticed as more women increasingly become aware of the technique. The women will say, "Oh he's trying to DHV and neg me so that I'm attracted to him... he must be interested" and therefore not feel the attraction that she would've felt had she not known the technique. Furthermore, as time goes by, too many men will begin to act similarly and thus it will no longer be attractive to women since those men will not stand out - they won't be different than their competition. It might come down to who plays the game better, or it might not considering that women will be aware of the MM. With time, the technique to attract and pickup women will have to vary just like clothing style changes over time.

However, I strongly wish to disagree with this concept. I believe that since the MM has an evolutionary basis (hardwiring to react in certain ways over the existence of humanity), then one could argue that the MM would always be effective. Nevertheless, women knowing about the method is enough to destroy the ability to not telegraph interest because they will identify the technique and thus intentions of the pickup artists. How long before this becomes a reality, I do not know... and I hope it doesn't.

At present, some women have watched the pickup artist show and if one uses those techniques on them they will ask "Have you seen the pick up artist?" or "Did you just neg me?" or "Are you gaming me?" or something to the like. I am not sure how to respond to this without being uncovered and having my intentions be revealed. How do you deal with that?

I understand that using original material will aid in not being discovered. As a matter of fact, I would never use any material on the VH1 show, but rather only the concepts. However, a woman who is able to see through the originality and catch the general strategy will probably raise and eyebrow, raise the issue, and raise the curtains on your attempt to pick her up.

I hope someone can counter-argue this point or come up with a solution. Mystery, Matador, or any of the Masters or Pioneers of the Venusian Arts, I hope you read this and quell the problem. I believe that many would agree that this could be a serious concern for the near future. Thank you.

My greatest respect and sincerity,

chuyerik

stolen crown
09-12-2007, 11:45 AM
look around most of this has been covered

to shorten and summarize don't use any canned material from the show and odds are pretty good you won't have any issues...use original material and it will all work out a lot of what this type of thing teaches is the ability to read people...plus once the show ends these women will soon forget it...this shit is pop culture esque man the show will fade away and we will peservere and evolve just as the community has evolved to this point.

Sperkzy
09-12-2007, 11:51 AM
But, I really think using an opener, no matter how different it is, is still obvious what you are doing.

That show basically ruined us now. Because everything we do now is going to be thought as the show.

So, im working on my own technique. I just run in and scream, and say "YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE!" and just start smacking at their pants until they pull them off. And then pick them up and run out the door.

Its the only technique that will work after Mystery rules the TV.

Cedar
09-12-2007, 11:56 AM
...Now that the show is becoming common knowledge to men AND women alike, and thus the technique, more men will desire to use it and act in a certain way while women will be more aware of the technique and will be able to spot potential suitors as they go about their game. The discrete element of the method will no longer exist because telegraphing interest will be noticed as more women increasingly become aware of the technique....



A lot of girls wear a bikini at the beach. I still look.


The only people concerned about the media attention game receives are the guys not using it to get laid. Stop waxing philosical with your buddies and go talk to girls.

junkyfungus
09-12-2007, 05:42 PM
..........fuck you

-Rewok

See this is exactly why I freaking love Rewok! True ALPHA mother-fucker and the specific reason why MM does work.:D

Abower The Don
09-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Your both gay ^

Poetry
09-12-2007, 06:10 PM
Stop crying chicken little...

Abower The Don
09-13-2007, 01:22 PM
If gay is your way, that's okay:)

Pyrrhus
09-15-2007, 07:24 AM
lol no-one seems willing to discuss this properly

people who say the mm is based on evo psych. are wrong, all attraction and interactions are based on that if you believe it. the mm is a way of bringing that out and beating the social dynamics that get in the way of it- but if enough girls hear about it, it may change the social dynamics- yeah they'll still be attracted to the same things, but it'll be harder to create that oppourtunity

so if a 10, who loves lording over other men, knows that a neg is not a false disqualifier, but is actually an ioi before hes had a chance to dhv as he normally would- i think that would make a difference- over here in the uk its not that big a deal though- although over on tmm.com there was a post by a guy who has seen like 20+ girls actually reading tmm hardcover, and when he asked what they were reading they said they were reading it specifically so that if anyone tried to use it it wouldn't work so they could maintain their power and choice over men.

but i agree, hardly any guys will properly use it (although its easier now there is a cheap hardcover), hardly any girls will properly get or understand it but i think there is a legitimate argument that it was easier when girls didn't know about it

Alboi
09-18-2007, 09:24 PM
the show will run, people will watch it and try it, all straight from the show...the girls will know that is just pickup shit...if you think of your own stuff then you shouldn't have a problem. Girls are stupid, re-word/re-vamp the lines if you can't think of your own.
I have found that on this forum people dont put exact lines to use, they use ideas, this way everyone will have their own lines they make BASED of what is said here. That is the great thing about this forum. A girl could hear an idea from here said by (just for ease of names) Pyrrhus, then the next day i have the same idea but re-worded and she wouldn't even suspect it.
A girl will be able to see through someone using purely "the pickup artist" material, and I bet many of the girls that we have sarged have been neg'd and whatnot before, they just can't tell what we are doing is to get them. If you do thinks and seem honest enough while doing it they wont suspect a thing.

Also, the show will eventually stop airing, and then the wave of people will die down, and only truly commited people will stay in the community.

wow...thats alot of ideas shoved into one, and I am not sure if it really will make sense to anyone else.

Finn
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
The tv show doesn't provide enough in depth information for guys to go out sarging just based on what's been shown. The only thing guys might do is start using the canned openers although I'm not sure how likely that will be. That's really not the concern you should be having. What will happen is guys will get repeatedly called out by women if their opener sounds anything like what they've heard on the show even if it's original. That is not good news for beginners.

David24
09-18-2007, 10:51 PM
this weekend I had a nerd who looked completly transformed come over to a 5 set I was in and ask the floss or dental opener... the girls immideatly blew him off and made fun of him for trying to be a PUA:P so yea, I guess its harder for the beginners, but once u get your shit tight, then there will be no problem sarging=)

as the other guys have said: just use youre own ideas or others, but rephrase them=)

Good luck to all the newbies;)

peace

A36DD4ME
11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't use any material from the show.

Asside from that women and some men, are incapable of assesing and understanding their own behavior and are therfore powerless to change it. Especialy since it's hard wired. Try explaining to a woman how and why negs work. She will not believe you regardless of how convincing you are. You ever try to convince a woman that men can have sex with a woman they hate? Futile at best.

If you use a line from a show she saw it's an instant DLV but if you have a strong frame and flip her switches it won't matter if she saw every episode. Like Mystery says - attraction is not an option.

Insomniac
11-21-2007, 11:31 AM
And really of all my friends, only one even saw the tv show. And he really had no clue how any of it worked. So the tv show does expose the community, I believe it won't do any damage. And really it's VH1...who really watches that channel anyway? I bet i could ask 100 people at a bar whos seen the pickup artist and i'd be lucky to get 1 that did. So unless theres a sequel coming out, i'd say give it 6-7 months and the show will be completely forgotten.

DVD
11-22-2007, 12:32 PM
In my humble opinion no. It doesn't work as well for me today as it did 2 yrs ago or last year. Thats why I had questions when he wanted to go prime time out there. So I don't primary use his method anymore. Damn I was da bomb back in da day but now I get a sense people see right through it.

InfiniteEternity
12-23-2007, 12:59 PM
Well, I look at it like this. If the female gender in general ends up knowing about this and how to counteract it, then only the naturals will survive. Thankfully, I'm essentially a natural, but I use the MM jargon.