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Vladi
04-18-2011, 03:16 PM
I've read this thing somewhere way back and thought i could make it in a routine.
I'm thinking of opening by saying something like:
me: wouldn't it be great if you could make split second decisions just by listening to your heart?
hb: no (neg her)
hb: yes
me: ok lemme show you this cool trick i use (reach for a coin in your pocket). Let's say you must make a decision between 2 things can't make your mind up. I want you to think about such a situation you have or had.
pauze for a sec or until she says she has something
me: Give a choice to heads and a choice to tails in your mind right now.
pauze again until she's ready
now flip the coin and catch it in your hand and DON'T let her see the result.
me: You still know which side was which choice right?
hb: yes
put the coin back in your pocket
hb: will look surprised and say something like how do i know the choice that i have to make now?
me: you already know because for that brief moment the coin was in the air your heart already told you what you want the outcome to be.

This creates interest and mystique. It also let's her know that you folow your heart and not your mind.

Lemme know what you think of it.

HoleyEars
04-22-2011, 07:47 AM
I really like this routine!

I'm not sure if I'd use it as an opener or hold onto it for A2. Either way, I think this is solid.

I have perfect dialogue with multi threading and all all lined up for this.

My ex and I always used to do this too when we were unsure. Many times, we didn't care about the outcome but it definitely became obvious when one of us had an opinion while the coin was in the air.

Good stuff!

Vladi
04-22-2011, 07:53 AM
I think if you would do this routine in A2 you can later in A3 or C1 just take the coin and flip it and put it back again. She probably will ask you why you flipped it :)

HoleyEars
04-22-2011, 08:04 AM
If she asks why, you can neg and say I was deciding whether or not I want to talk to you some more. ;-)

Genius
01-12-2012, 08:14 PM
I like what I've read thus far; I'm going to field test this one and get back to you.

However, I definitely think that this should be saved for A2 or A3. More vague, abstract questions like this don't work as well unless you've already built some attraction and interest first.

EDIT: As a clarification, the reason I say this is because asking for her to reveal a personal situation in which she had to make a decision requires compliance, and as Revelation teaches us, is an IOI in itself. In other words, we need some attraction first to ensure her compliance.

Great addition Holey Ears, that really makes this routine a must-know. It also enables you to use the gambit once in A2 and then continue to use it in A3 and C1. Plus, the gambit becomes something known between the two of you, giving you a shared frame, which is great for comfort-building.

Genius
01-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Went out and field tested this one today; worked great. However, I have a few suggestions I think that could improve it.

1) After you flip the coin, ask her "So, which side do you think it is?" After she answers, nod and put the coin back in your pocket. I find that this tends to amplify her reaction. After her response, tell her "it doesn't matter what the side the coin landed on, the side you just said is your decision. That's what you wanted it to be."

2) One girl I ran this on had an interesting reaction. She said "but that's what my head wanted, not my heart!"

Without missing a beat, I stacked with some cold reading "You can be really influenced by other people, right?"

She said "Oh my god, I'm totally influenced by others!"

"Yes, and sometimes you make decisions based on what others want you to do, even if it's not what you really want, right?"

She replied "Yes, that's me!"

From here, it's really easy to transition into a DHV story that demonstrates independence and emotional intelligence (A time that you took a risk and listened to your heart, in spite of others, and it paid off) or go into palm reading and do some more cold reading. If you can't isolate her and immediately go into palm reading just yet, then leave it as an open thread and use it to isolate her later ("Oh my God, I have something really cool I need to show you, remind me later").

3) An additional note, if you're doing this in A2, do NOT ask her about what the personal dilemma is, as you haven't built enough comfort and connection yet. However, if you're in C1, then consider asking her to tell you about the dilemma. You can even share a vulnerability story before running this gambit to increase the likelihood of her opening up and telling you.

Good stuff, I'll be using this one for sure.