Ways to respond when you are discovered by a girl watching te show on VH1

[Precise]

So basically, tonight was my first night going out since school started (moved in today then went to a frat party). There were the usual patio and room areas. However, this had a massive stripper pole in the middle of the dance room. After two shots, i was loose enough to start my game. There was this hb8 (approx rating becasue it was dark and i approached from behind). so i convinced her to dance w/ me and she was showing me an amazing time because she knew how to work that pole. Then, i tried to step up my game by using the infamous line

Precise: "so what differentiates you from the rest of the girls here?"
HB8: "Are you a pickup artist?"
Precise:"what does that mean?"
HB8:"Im not stupid, i watch the show on VH1. I remember that exact line"
Precise:"No, i really wanna know what that means"
HB8:"Just shutup and dance"

At this point, I figured that i would rather walk away with my dignity of not being as discovered pua and gave her an ultimatium:

Precise:"Ill keep dancing once you tell me what that means"

ignores me but still dancing

Precise:"How much longer do i have to keep dancing with you untill you tell me?"
HB8:"not sure"

dance with her for 2 more mintes

Precise:"If you dont tell me what it means, im leaving"

By know, i think she was fed up and moves to the other side of the pole to get away from me. The only reason i responed by not knowing what it means is because i read an earlier post suggesting it works. What are other ways i could have handeled the situation?

[Graffiti]

come on man. watch the damn show and don't use what you've heard on it. If you want to say something like the "so what differentiates you from the other chicks here?" state that she is like every other chick at the party and she'd bore you like the rest of them. just change lines most chicks aren't that smart they won't notice a change like that.

[Sperkzy]

Ohhh... that sucks.

That is what im scared of. Now that the show is on VH1, its going to be harder for us to get chicks.

1. Because all the girls know the techniques so they will laugh when you try to use them.
2. Because more guys will try the techniques and it will be a cluster fuck.

Sucks for us. The show really ruined the chances.

[Abower The Don]

If you are discovered, it is either because:

1. You're not doing it good enough.

2. You got unlucky.

[doomstick]

dont drink if you ever get called on this shit you need to act accordingly with out any kind of delay. i got called on it from a chick who read the game. i didnt use any material from it but she recognized the body language and stuff didnt seem to natural (i was just starting out) i told her style was a friend of mine and im using his advice. it worked ok and i got her number and did her later that week.

[Sperkzy]

dont drink if you ever get called on this shit you need to act accordingly with out any kind of delay. i got called on it from a chick who read the game. i didnt use any material from it but she recognized the body language and stuff didnt seem to natural (i was just starting out) i told her style was a friend of mine and im using his advice. it worked ok and i got her number and did her later that week.

Woah man. Good idea!

I'll be sure to use that if I get struck with the "You are trying that stuff on me!?".

I'd probably do what you did, "Ah, you caught me. Matador is a friend of mine, he helped teach me what I know."

I'm sure they wouldnt be to happy with you using that, but you got to get out of it! Ha!

[ZipperBoy]

Frankly, if you get 'caught' using lines by rote memory, you deserve to be caught.

I can't say I've read any books on the game, and I've only begun to look around the community/lifestyle, but it was obvious to me that its only a guide and you should come up with your of version of the 'game'.

[mik3b4321]

also, if you really wanna use the lines. try to elaborate them. that way, it might seems unfamiliar to her. that s what i do!:D

[Precise]

well, it was my first night usin any type of pickup routines. I though it would fit the mood well but now realize that originality is key to sucess. concepts come first.

[Sperkzy]

Really though. That show being on VH1 is like the worst thing that could happen to us.

If a girl watches that show fully, its going to be impossible to do ANY of the techniques even when you try to change it up.

If you try "negging" her or try to shut her off when shes being to abrupt. Shes going to know you are just trying to make her want you more and shes going to just laugh.

Im going to a club Sunday night, and I have a big feeling the girls there have watched the show.

[xenos]

The show is just forcing you to stop using canned material and make it all natural. For people like me who have only been involved with this community for a few months, it's just the challenge we need to get it down that much faster.

[Cedar]

come on man. watch the damn show and don't use what you've heard on it. If you want to say something like the "so what differentiates you from the other chicks here?" state that she is like every other chick at the party and she'd bore you like the rest of them. just change lines most chicks aren't that smart they won't notice a change like that.


You kidding!!??? I use EVERYTHING from the show. I DARE girls to catch me using crap straight from Mystery's mouth! I DARE them to OBJECT to the material. And I DARE them not to want to see me again after I wow the pants off of them.

There is NO getting caught. There is only the journey you lead with your confidence. Confidence in yourself. Not some stupid routine or line.


BTW, I did the finger routine where her fingers come together to a girl that watched the show. I added Mystery's verbals from his Attraction Magic seminar... it works just fine. And she saw it on the show twenty minutes before.

[Sebulba]

I really sympathize with you guys, i feel really fortunate that i live in the uk and the pick up method only surfaced briefly when 'the game' was released. Apart from that it's pretty much unheard of by girls.

[Poetry]

THANK YOU.


I've done the exact same, it's about confidence and frame... People could open with "fuck off" and still get results, if they took the time to game and not whine about VH1

[frostie]

You kidding!!??? I use EVERYTHING from the show. I DARE girls to catch me using crap straight from Mystery's mouth! I DARE them to OBJECT to the material. And I DARE them not to want to see me again after I wow the pants off of them.



......Very reassuring for a n00b :)

I'm upset about the "what do you got going for you more than your looks" soundbite getting SO MUCH PLAY in the show...lol.. I love that one, something totally *me*!

Anyway the show will die down soon, and a year from now no one will remember. New openers will be written I'm sure, but by then I'll prolly won't even need them.

[frostie]

on a light sidenote, I did blow myself out with that line once because the chick was upset and told me that I was "acting cool" or some shit... but then I found out that she was only 17 and I blame her age. lol

[PureO]

Whats wrong with being a pick-up artist? I would tell her she should be thankful I'm talking to her.

[ou812]

I think it also depends on the age group you are picking up? I'm 33, and if go to a venue with college kids, I find that those are the type of people that have seen the show and are likely to call you out on it, only b/c the younger males that are the same age have been using the cheezy shit incorrectly and way too much on these women.

However, if you use the same shit that's displayed on Vh-1 on slightly older women, you'll find out that they are oblivious to it.

Think about it, if you are in the age group that watches Vh-1, isn't it likely that the girls in that age group are watching it to? I don't ever watch vh-1 or mtv because its just not what my age group is into. It all depends on your targets age and mental frame..

Just my 2 cents..

ou812

[Sperkzy]

The club I go to the girls are all 15-19. But after 10:00pm it changes to only 18+.

So the majority of them watch VH1.

[MastaSpiff]

I really wouldn't be worried about getting caught. The chances that the majority of women are going to remember any of those lines one month from now is slim to none. The lines that are being used on the show have been used thousands of times. The line: "what makes you different from every other girl here" has been around for awhile. If I am not mistaken that line was in the 'Double your Dating' e-book and came out around 2001. Not that Deangelo coined the term or anything, but you get the idea. I used it once on a bartender and she loved it.

[Finn]

Alright this is getting funny. Not sure why you were so persistent though. You were caught so no use denying it.

[Revel]

With the line which everyone seems to be hammering on about you are making her qualify herself. There are thousands of different examples of ways you can get her to qualify herself. "What are you trying to do with your life?"

When people ask if I'm a Pickup artist I say "Yes" then immediately stack forward into the next routine as though it's not a big deal.. the reason "IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL!!!". If they bring it up again. Say "I'll give you a moment to get over this" if it's still a problem... "What do you think a Pick Up Artist does?" Then you can disabuse her of her incorrect ideas about it. Be Playful but clear about it and recapture the frame for yourself.
Refreshing routines isn't that difficult.
I just altered "80's dogs" slightly to make it "Beatles dogs" which two names should they pick as they love the Beatles John, Paul, George or Ringo. You can then talk about how "John and Paul are the ones which most people know about" and "people might not see the connection between the names and the group" so George and Ringo might be better.

I only made this change a couple of weeks back and straight away I'm getting a possitive response and there's so much material to build from it that I'm only just beggining to think about. So update your openers and routines and while your doing it make sure they're congruent with the image you're presenting. The main time I get "caught" is if I try to use a routine which doesn't fit my personality.

[Session]

The show only really uses a couple of routines: "Hey did you see those two chicks fighting...", "So what have you got going for you other than your looks?", *Mystery's 2-finger Gambit"... that's the only 3 I remember, and I've seen every episode (some even twice if there's a rerun). Also, it is likely, with the show's success, that there will be more seasons of this show, which means even more lines will be known commonly.

[Taurus]

I do have a feeling that girls are going to recognize the game...but to play it off I agree with what one of the users said by saying Matador, Juggler, ETC are your friends....its still a awkward situation.

[Revel]

It doesn't (insert Expletive here) matter!!!
Game is the natural progression for a succesful interaction.
What naturals do is exactly the same as us except they don't know when they muck up or why.
If you are gaming properly you will just seem like a natural who never gets gunned down. Your canned routines are no different to the stories naturals tell except we load even more DHV spikes into our routines because we know what they are.
Use your heads and all of you go and re read the opening chapters of VAH or TMM whatever you're using.

Now stop stupidly panicking and go sarging "IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL"

[husky]

just go out more and practise more, the lines and tricks are for people who are new to this so that they have something to do and to say ,, as soon as ur game get tight , things will flow naturally , without any canned material

[Rod]

well i know exactly what you guys mean... tonight was the worst night because i instantly had to forfit my game tonight- i'll tell you why...
tonight i got together with some friends and some other people i didn't know
(just a basic social gathering) at a friends house... so, around the whole place were all kinds of sets... but as soon as i walk into the living room, to my
surprise- everyone (well alot of ppl) were watching tv... as soon as the commercial ended, i was stunned to see that some guys- and even GIRLS!- were watching 'The Pickup Artist' on VH1... i was like 'ah shit' u kno...?
so i ask this HB7, "wats this?" (as if i didn't kno)
she simply responds, "oh it's the pickup artist show"
Rod: "o really?"
HB7: "yeap"
Rod: "so do you watch this often?"
HB7: " yeah i've seen every episode so far"
at that point i said nothing else cuz i knew any routine would be noticed by this HB7's PUA detectability
long story short, i made up a lousy excuse that i needed to leave after i had been there for only 2 hours... talk about your cover being blown!

[Apolo]

like a lot of guys out there already said there's tons of ways to get past this... first of all avoid using stuff from the show.. if they call you out on being a pick up artist go with it.. If they say "are you TRYING to be like mystery" it's just a shit test so just say "i'm not trying..anything"

[Doctor]

Come on guys, just because some of the canned material is being exposed, your game is not destroyed. Eventually you would come across a girl that had heard a canned opener before, even if there was no VH1 show. Its like Graffiti said about changing the material, you have to understand how and why these openers work then mix them up a little bit. Like the two girls fighting opener. NEVER use that, if you are a PUA because it is so popular now, that AFC's have started to use it. As PUA's we need to set an example and evolve with the game. So AFC's get all our old played out material, we get all the new fun stuff that we make up! AFC's are afraid to go into a set without having been told almost exactly what to say. Think of a couple openers on your own, no matter how silly they sound and try them somewhere where you will never see that set again. The Mystery Method is a learning process. Its not a magic spell you recite to pick up girls. Its an outline to give you the confidence in expecting what is next, so you can spend more time having fun! I know from personal experience that when i switched from using canned material to making up my own, I started having a lot more fun, and stacking threads were alot easier, because your opener always relates to you when you make it up! Bottom line guys, don't get worried about your openers becoming over used, they are not magic, in fact they are obsolete, so lets all do ourselves a favor and upgrade!

[Doctor]

And you guys who are talking about the girls watching the show. Me and my current girlfriend love the show, and watch it together all the time. If you playfully joke that you could do it ten times better than any of these guys, all of a sudden the PUA's on TV are not as impressive, they are just on TV. I always tell my girl friend how i would of worded some things differently or how i never would of thought of something. You have to subtly remind the girls that its just a TV show, and you are above it. (even if you are intimidated by the guys on the show :p )

[Burnz]

First off I'm new to the art of pickup. I just started getting out two weeks ago and have been sick for the last week. So I have not had to much in field experiance. Although I have read a few things on this thread that I wanted to comment on. This is only my opinion and how I have understood things. If any Successful PUA have any corrections on my comments, please feel free. I'm open to suggetions.

My first comment is for "Precise",

As soon as you got called on your game, you reverted back to an AFC or Wuss. You let her take control of the situation. Don't, your in control, not her. You don't have to answer her question and let her set the frame. You set the frame. You tell her where the conversation is going. Lead, don't follow. As soon as you asked what that means the second time, she had the control. And she knew it. Her respond "Shut up and dance". She was telling you what to do and to qualify yourself to her. At this point, you should have rolled off. Show her that she is not that special and that you are willing to walk away. If she was at all into you, she would follow and tried to qualify herself. If she was not interested, then you just move on. Now, if you wanted to increase your chances of her pursuing you, here is my suggetion. The hole pole danceing set it up for you. When she told you to "shut up and dance". Quite simply, Fold a doller bill length wise, slide it into her clothing and walk away. Gauanteed reaction, and gauranteed that she will think about you and remember you. When she confronts you, smile once and its on again. Set the frame and forget about the hole VHI comment. She has.

This one is for "Rod",

So you walked into a room where all the girls were watching The Pick Up Artist. Perfict! Don't drop your game, drop the lines from the show. The show just became your game. You should have sat down with the girls and just busted on them all about watching the show. Neg the hell out of them. Show that your above the show and them. Aka, demostrating higher value. Don't use the canned material, use the technique's. The show was your opener, neg's and dhv's. Use it.

Now for everyone that thinks that the show has ruined the game for you. If you have not taken the time to actualy learn the techniques and are just using the canned material shown on the show, then your right. Your game is over. The canned material is just to get you out there and get you started. And don't use the exact same material from the show. Change it, make your own. Just follow there guidlines. You can have canned material that is origanal. And there are all kinds of material out there that has not been on the show.

When it all comes down to it, LEARN the Technique, NOT the material.

All comments are welcome.
Burnz

[Apolo]

HONESTLY lol if i walked in on a bunch of girls watching the show i would USE the canned material from the show on purpose and get a bunch of laughs... then go into material not on the show

[Revel]

If you had kept with the method they would not have noticed because the method is just a natural social interaction.

By dropping the Method you became a complete AFC.

If you had used a line from the show and they noticed and asked if you'd got it from the show you could have raised your value by saying "No, I was studying Mystery's stuff way back before the show was even thought of."

If you're getting called on your canned stuff, change it. It's no different to when a routine starts to go sour through overuse in one place.

[Allstar]

The show in my ultimate opinion is a good thing because it allows those without the natural abilities to get an idea of what you are suppose to do. All it requires on the PUA end is a little bit more creativity. I think for the next 3-6 months girls will be more alert to a guy trying to "game" them because it surfaced PUA's as an actual community. You will also have some guys try these techniques posing as a PUA.

Something I have done to test the waters on a girl to see if familiar with the show is saying the masturbation joke that Brady used. Every girl I have told it to fell for it and I had them totally engaged. I have yet to have a girl already hear the joke.

Of the multiple things I do when running a set only one of my techniques have been exposed and that was the "quarter trick" and it really didn't get revealed at all. If it got exposed as much as "the fight outside" I would of been very upset. I have been doing the quarter trick to pick-up women for 4 years. I have been doing it just as a trick for over 11 years, until I realized it worked on women. The trick is great because it engages the target, highly kino escalates, do it on the obstacle to neg the target. I then tie in the quarter on the elbow trick afterwards. This trick can shoot a coin across the room which is great because I use it to bounce the target and isolate her. I was impressed that something I invented on my own was actually being used.

[Apolo]

If you had kept with the method they would not have noticed because the method is just a [U]natural social interaction

although the method teaches lots of things that are just principles of natural interaction, the way these principles are applied is NOT... if it were people would not be using CANNED material.
I do agree with you on one point though.. they would NOT have noticed the material. even when people DO recognize a "PUA" (probably starting) what they recognize is the material and not the process... stay on the method just avoid routines on the show if you dont want to get caught.. Apart from that a possibility is trying the natural approach.. for me my "natural aproach" is talking to the girls while keeping the theories in mind. tease, neg, dhv but all spontaneously without the canned material.. I dont know if it's possible to learn this but it works for me. Possibly because i was a.. ?half natural? ... i could attract girls fairly well but sometimes i wouldnt know how to act or i would say something at the wrong time... Plus i wouldnt get the hint if they were into me and was too afraid to pull the trigger.

[Island]

I would try to use shit-tests in reference to the show (I haven't been confronted yet) to my advantage somewhat.

"I'm trying to pick you up?"

"Lets not get ahead of ourselves...you're too (neg) for me."

"One of my friends actually watches that show, he tried to...(humorous story)"

Something like that. Again I've never been been in this situation in-field but it would make sense to retain your composure and regain control instead of being defensive.

[VAcasanova]

I think it's pretty obvious when she told you to shut up and dance, she didn't care whether u were or weren't a PUA.

[JekDaPUA]

My advice go in with the same attitude you had before the show was announced

the reality is, while they might be more aware of it all

if you are congruent with what you are doing it won't come across as processed.

its like saying Mystery had trouble getting girls after they realized he was a PUA.. and if I recall their is even a story in The Game about a girl who knew what Mystery was doing.. and Mystery still used what he knew and got the close.

As soon as you be all insecure about the fact that you are "PUAin" its going to come across in everything you do, and then there will be a frame loss.. thats whats going to let you down

[Hathor]

all this is some pretty good stuff. i wished i read this before i went out last night. i was actually feeling pretty good about my self because i number closed this hb7 at this coffee shop earlier. long story short, i went to this hookah bar in southen cali and upon entering i immedeatly (spelling?) open a four set (two guys and two girls) the two guys were gay so i wasnt sweating. i was paying alot of attention to the obstacle, DHV'ing, negging the target hardcore (she said she was a model), the whole group was loving me and i knew my target was into me cause she would say something like "wow im not even apart of this conversation" right after she said that i grabbed the nearest thing (which was my I.D.) and gave it to her. then i said "hey hold on to that, ill show you somthing really cool with that later". i thought this was a done deal. i was controlling the frame and everything. then the most idiotic thing came out of my mouth. i said "hey guys did you see the fight outside?" and right there the obstacle said "oh really? the fight...haha!" and she began to walk away. i kept my composure and the obstacle came back and the horde of shit tests began. she was like "hey whats your favorite show on VH1?" i gave her vague answers and she still pressed the question. i was brushing it off like it was nothing and replied "it was pretty obvious you know where that line came from, so what do you think about it?" to which she was still Fu@#ing shit testing me. so i knew i wasnt getting anywhere further with this set and ejected by saying "pleasure meeting you guys". talk about a rough night man. im never using that stupid line again!


Hathor

[DnP]

yeah the show is going to be a big hit but it's a new challenge ne ways guys what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. =]

[mR. PotenTial]

Hahhaa, yeh that's what Kanye keeps telling us in his song that's constantly on too. :p

[JekDaPUA]

Hmm now here I go again

HB: "So your one of those pickup guys"

ME: "I prefer the term "furniture removalist, haha..only messing (fun tone)

or

HB "So your one of those pick up guys"

ME: I think of it as more like ESP.. I think im PSYCHIC!, like right now I can pick up on your hostility.. aren't I amazing!'

now these may seem ridiculous, but think about it, what you want to do in this situation is by time for further engadgment.

The reality is, if you create a bit of "emotional" confusion, and prolong this stage, by pushing through it and engadging a playfulness that makes you fascinating for them not to dwell on this particular thing.. you will move on, and by the time you move on the thought of you being a "pick up artist" will be the last thing on their minds. Besides girls love drama and a lot want to be seduced.. so long as they aren't being used, or at least from a PUA stand point "it doesn't look like they are being used"

I think you guys are getting way to hung up on this

[Allstar]

My best friend and old wing (I moved) had this comedy he would use and it would work perfectly for this situation. If someone used a word that had multiple meaning he would use the alternate meaning. His ability to make girls laugh with these jokes made him AWESOME in the field.

HB: You are one of those pick-up artists?
PUA: I don't like art/ I have been known to finger-paint every now and then/ I have never used a nude model before, why... are you interested?/ etc... add your own twists

HB: So You are one of those pick-up guys.
PUA: No, I drive a car/ My brother drives one/ Pick-ups are great for tailgaiting/ Yeah, are you wanting to go get in the bed?. The last one would tell her you are a PUA and think that you are being open and blunt about your intentions and get her upset, but then you let on that you meant your truck because she was asking about it.

Be creative.

[Shreddd]

I'm going to throw out a few lines because I'm feeling on top of things right now.


"Are YOOUU a pickup artist? I'm going to neg you if you don't start being nice."
"Of course. That's why I'm do damn sexy. (roll your eyes)"
"Are you giving me lip? (back turn) Doesn't she know WHAT a pickup artist is?"
"You wish. (stare, don't move...first one to move loses)"
"That's so lame. I'm sooo much better than those guys. Don't insult me like that."
"You watch a show on how to pickup women? Are you a lesbian?"
"60% of the time. Every time."
"(look away and look back at her) Mystery."
"I'm deeply offended. You better start apologizing."
"You're one of them girls who..."
"Yes. In field, people call me J-Tard. I get around. What's your pickup artist name?"
"Don't even ask me that."
"What? Am I too intense for you or something?"
"I wrote the book on how to be hott. I taught Mystery everything he knows. That's why he's so tall. I taught him that."
"Yes. Now I will proceed to go "kino". Kino is where you playfully molest a woman's hand, (take her hand and beat her with it) like so."



Basically just show her that she is out of line, that you are above the show, and that NOTHING can hold you back. Don't over do it, just ignore it unless it becomes an inside joke.

[Precise]

great responses shreddd. i really like "You watch a show on how to pickup women? Are you a lesbian?" and "You wish. (stare, don't move...first one to move loses)". Thanks!

[Beyonder]

Girl: Are you like those guys on The Pick Up Artist? (Or any other question regarding the show)

Me: You actually watch that reality shit? Thats cool. I can't get into it. The only reality show I like is Ghost Hunters. It's more realistic.

Then I'd go into one of my ghost hunting stories.:)

[Shreddd]

Nothing a little pre-game with Tension Tamer and Indian Spice tea (Celestial Seasonings if any of you are interested in getting some) can't help you think up. That stuff puts me IN THE MOMENT. That Tension Tamer must have a ton of taurine or something. I feel so loosened up and happy after I have it. I haven't had to use any of those lines yet...there comes a point in time where you can drop every single routine and just use the techniques because you understand it at a deep level. So I don't get found out unless someone else brings up the subject, then I go on and on about how addicting it is and all the controversial points. This stuff is like politics or religion...I actually just talked to two potential students last night. Although no closes... The hot girls were taken AS USUAL...not to say that I didn't game them maybe a little bit...in front of their BF's a little bit...haha, I even gamed one of my new student's potential suitors. That was HILARIOUS...she's got a playful bitch shield the size of Texas. I'm done my ramble.

[Kaiser]

Shreddd, I think you are on to somthing. I am not a big fan of david Deangelo but there was one thig i remember he said that many men tend to suffer from when they over analyze somthing is that they look so deep into it that they litterally come up with a reason why it may not work at all. Truth is and myself am just getting started in the whole Venusian art, is that its not the material that you say to a set that makes it a sucessful pick up. Its the way you said what ever you happend to say that triggered the psychological triggers that blew the set open. I think that is the core or what mystery means when he talks about the magic of this way of life. because that is exactly what it is a way of life. you can apply this to any interaction you may have with any human and even animals but that is a different story. bottom line is if you stop and realize that you really are in control and can maintain control you easily convey high social value simply because you are interesting and have alpha male characteristics. that alone is one DHV you will have going for you the entire time you are in set build on that and you will be money in no time.

[Technique]

just say "is that your best pick up line honey?"

reframe!

[Allstar]

These I feel are useable:

"Yes. In field, people call me J-Tard. I get around. What's your pickup artist name?" Makes fun of PUA's so disqualifies you as one, and is funny so will make her laugh.

"I'm deeply offended. You better start apologizing." This is good because you can roll-off to show you are displeased with her. When she apologizes you can reward her again. Making a woman feel like she is in the wrong and has hurt your feelings no matter how serious or playful it is she is sure to make it up to you WELL, depending on how well you play the "hurt card".

I did like the "You watch a show on how to pick-up women? Are you a lesbian?".

HB: Are you a pick-up artist?
PUA: Like that TV show on VH1?
HB: Yeah!
PUA: haha no. I watched an episode of it, it was pretty interesting but not my style. Did you watch it?
HB: Yes, I loved that show!
PUA: You watched a show on how to pick-up women? Are you a lesbian?

The rest I felt weren't my style. Either reason 1 is because they conveyed that you were a PUA and that would cause the girl to put up her guard.
Reason 2 is they are way TOO cocky. You could pull them all off if you say them with a smile but I think there are better options. I like to DHV through stories or less subtle ways then just stating it. They are good examples of D'Angelo's style and proven to work just my style opinion.

[Shreddd]

Yeah...they would have worked for me at a party. People are silly and cocky at parties. The sillier and cockier, the more positive attention you get. I went to two pretty kickass parties. I still had fun even though I had to use recycled women to flirt with. Oh well...

[mashOne]

Last night when me and this friend I met at bootcamp went out, we opened a 3 set. 1 HB8, 1 HB4, and an HBMarried all together. My Friend occupied HB4, since he was sitting right next to her..and I was talking to HB8, and HBMarried was texting someone (husband?!!)...

Things go really well between me and HB8. I wasnt gaming her at all....we just went into conversation from one topic to another and to another..it was so smooth and natural....i swear to God guys i dint use a single routine on HB8.

Heres when things go wrong...

MyFriend (to HB4): Introduce me to your friends thats the polte thing to do.
HB4: oh you saw the TV show the pick up artists
Friend: what you talking about, I dont know about that....
Friend (t0 me): have you seen the show pick up artists
Me: Oh yea, my friend Erik's in it..its a reality tv show where he teaches a bunch of ppl on how to get good with women its a fun show
Me (to HB4): have you seen it? eriks cool isnt he..
HB4: whos erik
Me: he goes by Mystery. and matador and j-dog are my friends too. really cool ppl. may be ill introduce you to them sometime
Friend: (he is a PUA but pretends like he never heard of mystery)...

HB4 can totall tell his BS.....and she caught him on it and wont talk to him again...so he gets embarrased and he leaves with the trademark

Friend (to me): iam gonna go find michelle. do u wanna come
Me: give me 5 minutes,
Frienf: im gonna go find her
Me(to HB8): his friend michelles ,a big dance freak....total A.D.D. she loves the rock and hip-hop and cant stpp moving.she is dancing in that club right across the street.

HB8: yea thats cool.
Me: is there anyway we can keep in touch?
HB8: sure. we all hang out at this bar almost everyday.do u come here often
Me: Actually I dont go out on weekday, i work 12 hours a week...and barely have time for taekwondo and cooking during weekdays..i go out only during weekends
HB8: oh u should meet us here
Me: heres the phone, put ur number in..its cool if u dont want to either (starts walking away)
HB8: no i trust you.puts her number in.
HB8: hey u dint tell me what you do, where u work....
Me:<*breifly tell her what i do*>

pleasure meeting ya'll...

POINT is DONT DENY PUA COMMUNITY. THE MORE U DENY, the MORE THEY KNOW. JUST ACKNOWLEDGE and move on

[j_dub]

Has anyone gotten busted using original material?

I haven't gotten a chance to do much sarging (living with mom after going back to school, talk about game killer), but I was hanging with a friend and feeling good so I decided to open a nearby 3 set.

I used an opinion opener that I swear is real. But maybe it sounds like bullshit.

I said I needed their opinion on something, they were receptive. I just got a new job (true), it's a good job that I went to school for (also true), but my boss is telling me that I have to be Santa for Christmas (yet again, true). What do you think, should I do it?

The obstacle says I should go for it. The HB says to the obstacle: "Oh, he's doing that thing from, um, How to Be A Player?"

Shit. Obviously she's got the title wrong, but she's right. I plead ignorance and insist that I'm telling the truth (and I really AM!).

Getting busted using original material was disheartening, but this situation (although I think my boss is fucking with me) is a God given opinion opener. I have to make the most of it.

Still, I hope Mystery does some fucking magic instead of another season of the show.

[Mikeumus]

You should have just kept danceing with her and then ran a differnt rutine instead of insisting on knowing, in my opinion, it kind of gave it away more. Just a guess as I'm no expert.

[anaethesia]

i agree with graffiti for example a good line of mystery is:beuty is very common what are the three thing that a person need this is how i changed it, and got to do a girl- i told her a good energy, great personality and love not alpha but love you will go deep not shallow. and get a poetry book pic up a lines to make her know you are interesting and different but do not use a poetry line woth out the 3 ioi

[anaethesia]

a good thing to say also is no i dont pick up on the britney or paris but say it with a serious face...

[chuyerik]

I liked what you were doing with your variation, however I didn't understand past "great personality" Would you mind rephrasing? thanks anaethesia