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SFPUA
02-26-2011, 08:04 PM
I don't really know who will read this but any encourage, criticisms, advice, and occasional boot in the ass is welcomed and requested
I have been working on ways to make sure I follow through with the goals I set in regards to pick up and I think this might be a good way to go about it.
I wont chat to much in this first entry but establish my first goal. I have been trying to make the transition from Information junkie to actual PUA and sometimes its hard to get off of my ass.
So here is the plan. Each week I'm going to set myself goals that I intend to follow to the letter no matter what. Due to my schedule day game is more reasonable so the majority of the goals will revolve around day game.
Goal number 1-
I'm starting small at first. Lately since my birthday I have lacked in motivation to even get out of the house and do approaches. I find instead of practicing I'm just noticing women while I am out running my daily errands.
So here it is for the next seven days the goal is to simply open and get a conversation going with AT LEAST 5 women a day. That is AT LEAST.
Ill be back on tommorow even to tell you how Day 1 goes
SFPUA
SFPUA
03-01-2011, 01:50 AM
I went out and accomplished my goal of opening five women. They were all casual openers and three out of the five I got into nice conversations with. I don't want to go into to much detail here about the actual approaches as I plan on posting them elsewhere on the forums But I realized something else about my approach that is lacking.
By approach I mean approach to pick up.
I'm taking the situations that are put forth in front of me and not going out of my way to create new situations and opportunities. By this I mean if a hot girl is in front of me in line or next to me on the bus I will open her. But if she is twenty feet away I don't bother doing anything about even though she is very much my type.
I'm confining my practice time to the amount of time I am in town running errands and I think it is effecting the quality of my practice. Tomorrow I plan on going out for the sole reason to practice and do approaches. Hopefully that improves the practice session and helps move me along.
GOAL 1: 5/35 approaches made
SFPUA
The Wild One
03-01-2011, 12:10 PM
How you coming along, and I must ask out of curiousity? SF pua ... Are you a special forces pick up artist? Breaching vaginas huh? j/k :D
SFPUA
03-02-2011, 12:37 AM
HAHAHAHAHA It stands for San Francisco Pick up artist. HAHAHAH but your is good to.
Thank you for the interest wild one any critique or advice on the following would be greatly appreciated.
Today was a little slower going I completely lacked any sort of motivation to do approaches. that was until my roomie stepped in. As we were on a bus on the way home around 5:00 tonight she asked me, "How many approaches have you done today," I sadly informed her that I had approached none and she continues with, "well that's OK you can come home as long as you are ready to inform everyone on the VA forum that you wussed out or you could stay on the bus and ride around doing approaches while I go home and start dinner. Your choice"
She definitely has my best interests in mind.
I am happy to say that after that I surpassed my goal for approaches and made seven. After the first two things just sort of flowed. Although I ran into an issue on the bus with another man who was insisting on hijacking the conversation (It was a university bus system) He originally tried starting a conversation with me and then after I started talking to my target who ended up sitting between us he insisted on putting his two sense in! (As easy as I am finding it to meet people on this transit system I am finding I have to think about my seating position a lot because its not like I can move positions after the bus is already moving to get within range of the women I am interested in. And if anyone has a way to do that please do share ;D)
I felt like I couldn't really do anything about it at that point without looking like an ass so I let him carry on and he ended up blowing himself out. My target and I ended up shooting eachother covert inconspicious looks of annoyance which was a lot of fun. I ended up merging this set with a blonde standing on the bus to try and distract this endlessly annoying guy but that blew up in my face because he seemed to get louder the biggest his audience got.
I had planned to close my target because I kept getting IOI's from her including her slapping me on the arm and saying "We have to hang out you are so cool" Needless to say my ego was pumped. Unfortunatly she got off a stop before I did and didnt have time to write her information so she asked for my name and gave me hers saying we would look eachother up on facebook *cringe* needless to say Ive learned my lesson.
I opened three women before getting off of the bus. Opened three at the bus stop and then opened one in the lobby of my apartment building. I got home at around eight O'clock. Im starting to realize that when I go out it feels like there is no one to approach but after two or three approaches I feel like I am surrounded by beautiful women. This is very uplifting to me as the biggest excuse I gave myself before was that I never saw anyone I was interested in.
Also I have a sleight concern. I find myself only attempting to pick up student from my school. I go to university in San Fran and there are lots of places (Bus being one of my personal favorites) to meet the women that go to my school. Am I hurting myself by focusing only on fellow students or is this an acceptable stepping stone to be able to approach anyone?
So all in all very good day. Seven approaches for a man who used to excuse himself out of every opportunity.
If you feel like giving some advice please I am more than happy to take any sort of critisms or critique. The current questions I really have on my mind are:
1. Am I hurting my progress by initially focusing on college students
2. How would you guys have handled an incredibly obnoxious Interaction Hijacker on the bus. The target was laughing politely at him so I wasn't sure what else to do than follow her lead.
3. Does the weather affect day game? The weather in SF is pretty bipolar at times. Has anyone found that rain decreases the likelihood of meeting someone interesting in the mall or some retail outlets.?
See you guys on day three
GOAL: 12/35 approaches made
SFPUA
Tommy Sinatra
03-02-2011, 05:35 AM
1. Am I hurting my progress by initially focusing on college students
2. How would you guys have handled an incredibly obnoxious Interaction Hijacker on the bus. The target was laughing politely at him so I wasn't sure what else to do than follow her lead.
3. Does the weather affect day game? The weather in SF is pretty bipolar at times. Has anyone found that rain decreases the likelihood of meeting someone interesting in the mall or some retail outlets.?
1. You're not hurting your progress by focusing on students. Every approach you make, no matter how it ends up, is progress. Your determination to get out and make approaches happen is all the fuel you need to get where you want to be. Approaches are the key, as long as you learn something from each one.
2. The way you handled that obnoxious guy was pretty good. You could have AMOG'd him a little but you probably made the wiser choice by eye-coding with the girl you were talking to. Women love that shit, raised eyebrows, eye rolling, etc. Good job.
3. Day game is great, I think it was Johnny Wofl, or maybe Johhny Soporno, who told me that during day game it's important to ground the reason you're approaching the woman. So, in other words, if you just walk up to her and start talking you may look like a freak, which is everyones main daygame fear. So go up to her and say something like hey, I noticed your bag, I'm looking for a gift for my sister and I was wondering where you got it...or it could be as simple as saying, I saw you coming in and think you're gorgeous, I wanted to come talk to you to see how you are...so how are you? So in both of those situations you're telling her why you're talking to her, thus not making you look like some guy who is just walking up to random chicks. While the weather and rain might decrease the amount of women who are out and about you never know when you'll meet the one so screw it, it's all in your head. Get out there and approach.
SFPUA
03-04-2011, 06:50 PM
Thanks for the advice MDR411. I feel a lot more confident in the way I dealt with the guy on the bus. I was unaware of the term Eye Coding? I think I know what it means by how you used it but for my own personal knowledge could you define it for me?
Well due to the lack of a real internet connection and food poisoning day three and four only had two approaches a piece. Im not feeling to guilty about it though because I drug my ass out of the house and only when back when I felt like passing out so Im actually quite proud of those four approaches even if it does put me behind on my goals. (I plan on making it up over the weekend)
Today I feel much better and am actually going toa large party my school is throwing for homecoming. I went out to get a couple of approaches in during the day to get my mood up and get myself ready for the night and they actually went quite well. I started out feeling lack luster and my roommate pointed out that I always feel like doing approaches after i get through the first few so what if I got the first few out the way during the day and felt great for the party tonight? I agreed with her and went out. Both approaches were on the school transit system. I have to get ready for the party tonight so I dont have much time but I noticed a couple of things about my game that I need to work on Ill give the details after the party tonight.
SFPUA
GOAL: 14/35 approached
SFPUA
03-05-2011, 12:11 AM
Well that went extremly well and I made up for the lost approaches on the days I was ill. The party itself was not what I would call great it was very reminiscent of a highschool prom. (The bright side about this however was that I am seriously considering going to clubs a lot more though). The dancefloor was a joke and the majority of the people at the party were newbies to the school and the city and were having fun acting like "adults".
I had the opportunity to try out a couple of different openers that I wanted to try and used them quite succesfully in terms of my goal for approaches. I got nine approaches in.
The main opener I experimented with was, "arent you amanda's friend" and variations on that. I was getting really good reactions every single target IOI'd me by trying to continue the conversation.
The only people that did not respond favorably were two asian women who did not speak english. But everyone else looked at me and smiled at which point I followed with, "Judging from the quizzical look on your faces that would be a no." which lead nicely into an introduction and a funny conversation. I was very pleased with the outcome.
This party has peaked my curiousity about dance floor game. I have never been able to just go out on the dance floor and get any sort of interaction (I.E. Grinding) with a woman going and would like to be able to do that. Any advice on where to look for that kind of information would be helpful. Or any tips about dance floor game?
SFPUA
GOAL- 23/35 approached
Tommy Sinatra
03-05-2011, 11:51 AM
Eye coding or what Mystery refers to as girl coding, whatever you call it, is when two girls look at each other and communicate with no words, just their eyes and/or facial expressions. Here's an example. Let's say an obnoxious guy opens a 2 set with a horrible opener. The guy delivers his opener to girl #1 and it bombs. Girl #1 may look at girl #2 and girl code her by raising her eyebrows, rolling her eyes, widening her eyes slightly, etc to communicate to girl #2 that this guy is a loser. Women do that all the time to each other. It's important for you to recognize when this happens to you in set so you can calibrate your game and save it. Also, you can use it to your advantage when a guy goes and bombs a set. If you can get some eye code going with a woman she will instantly feel like you can relate to her and you didn't even have to say anything. It's extremely powerful when you can tap into that because it's a major form of communication for women. So many times I've watched an AFC attempt to open a set by buying the girls drinks or delivering a lame opener. I will try to eye code with the girls while it's going on then when he leaves move in and say something like wow how awkward was that? I could barely stand to watch that! Girls will always say oh my God I know, but at least we got drinks! Then I'll move into conversation about awkward guys and I may even try to people watch with the girls by pointing out other guys or that same guy to see what he's doing now. It's a great way to open because you establish rapport immediately, at the other guys expense, but who cares! You can also just talk about the guy then go back to your friends and return later and re-engage them by saying something like hey any more creepsters stop by while I was gone?! I'm telling you it's gold.
SFPUA
03-07-2011, 07:54 PM
Well that challenge ended spectacularly today. Unfortunately I had wished to go above and beyond my goal but class made this impossible. I had to Strike out these last couple of days at hours I should have been working on my midterm to get my five approaches in for the day. (and return immediately after the fifth due to the fact that I had work to do)
I think I accomplished my overall goal of proving to myself that I can do these approaches and that it is truly the easiest part of the entire interaction.
Now I plan to continue the habit of a minimum of five approaches a day but Ill be adding a new challenge on myself starting tomorrow.
Something I did learn today in fact is that when it comes to being on a bus, or in a classroom, or in a waiting room for that matter. I need to seat myself within opening distance of the woman I am attracted to. I am finding that I end up sitting too far away awkwardly because I don't want to appear forward or show interest. Am I right in thinking that when you get on a bus with limited seats the right thing to do would be to without making a big deal of it sit next to the woman you want? As always any input would be highly helpful and appreciated
SFPUA (Approaches: 37)
Goal #1: 37/35 approached
SFPUA
03-07-2011, 07:56 PM
After a long talk with my roommate we decided what the second goal should be. For the next week I am going to continue the trend of approaching at least five women a day but from now on I am only counting it as an approach toward the goal if I attempt to close.
Does this sound like a good step up?
SFPUA (approached: 37)
SFPUA
03-08-2011, 08:01 PM
After some thought today I think I am skipping a step in my goal.
All the confidence I had from the approaches seemed to have fled the moment I decided that I wanted to close each approach. Now well I see the idea of always going for the close as a fantastic and beneficial idea I think I was putting the cart before the horse by making that my focus.
I have a lot of routines in my head and I have more openers than I can count. But What I really don't have is a reliable routine stack. Having spent the previous week working on my openers I think this week the focus for my goal should be working on my routine stack (Which if I understand the process will lead to more confidence which in turn will lead to more approaches more closes and ultimately success in my goals).
Any suggestions or critiques?
SFPUA
Tommy Sinatra
03-09-2011, 05:12 AM
The main thing is to get comfortable with your openers because that's what you need to start the conversation with women. Next, you'll focus on your routine stack, because that's how you'll keep the conversation going until she shows interest (A2). Then, you can work on rewarding her for showing the interest (A3). Next, you'll focus on comfort and rapport, which is VERY important because this is where you make her feel that you are vibing with each other. So I think your strategy of working on one aspect at a time is a great idea because it makes it easier to focus on one area until you learn it.
SFPUA
03-11-2011, 06:17 PM
I think I have a clearer Idea on how I am going about learning now. I have been working on my routine stack I feel its pretty good it gets laughs and IOI's unfortunatly I havent been able to practice as much this week as I would like but I have noticed a very large shift in how I do things. While I have only done a few approaches in the last few days the quality of the targets has drasticly gone up. Im approaching women that would have scared the shit out of me a month ago. I think it is finally starting to sink into my head that approaching is the easy part.
I would like to end this post with my routine stack in hopes of any critiques or advice-
This is the routine stack I have been using for day game under most scenarios but mainly on the bus-
1. Arent you amandas friend (or Arent you in my history of fashion class)
I usually follow with, "judging from that quizical expression Im gonna guess no"
2. Do you know any good lunch places in the ___________ area Im meeting my roommate after her class. I want to treat her to lunch she has been having a shitty week. (I sometimes modify this to saying I had tried to meet my friend but she was sick and didnt even go to class)
3. Flaming car through intersection story
It was really interesting this morning I was walking to my friends class and I reach the intersection outside of my apartment complex. All of the sudden I hear this pounding music. So loud I can feel it vibrations in my chest. A car pulls up to the intersection beside me and I smell smoke. Looking over I see just black smoke and orange flames billowing out the back. I try to yell to the guy DUDE YOUR CAR IS ON FIRE! He cant hear me because of his music. He looks over to me and just sees me waving my arms trying to get his attention. He flips me off and then peels out. Welcome to San Francisco. (Not my story and this is not word for word it always gets a fantastic reaction)
4. I mention my friend again saying how close we are and I met preforming at an open mic night. This leads into me preforming Dan Garrets ring thing. An illusion were her ring jumps onto my empty finger.
5. I exchange names with her at this point if I have recieved sufficient IOI's
This is what I have so far. Critiques advice? how can I make it better?
Thanks in advance.
SFPUA
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