Amog tactic

[Yoda]

In highschool, I've noticed how many of the guys in drama club are really alpha. They walk with there heads up high, they're good speakers, and they're entertaining. They always have some interesting stories and they're really good at acting out situations in those stories.

How's a guy like me suppose to compete with them? They're such good entertainers... theres never a boring moment when they're around.

But I think i've figured out a solution. Play their strength as a weakness! :eek:

Today i saw this good-looking drama club guy named josh telling a really funny story to a nearby set. I saw some of the HB's in my current set looking over, obviously interested. So i loudly called josh over by saying (playfully) "hey josh, get over here, tell US a funny story. Entertain us."

And he came over really willingly. From then on it was just standard amog stuff.

Just identify them as the entertainer. Remember it's bad to be the entertainer? Just call them over and tell them to entertain your set. It keeps your set entertained while making you come off more alpha and at the same time making him seem like a tool.

[Bravo]

Different angle,

how about you invite him over like a nice friendly guy and SP him to your set, build him up, then ask him to tell a funny story.

This way you dont come off as a cock, it shows you are friends with more people.

Remember a rising tide raises all ships.

[Yoda]

Different angle,

how about you invite him over like a nice friendly guy and SP him to your set, build him up, then ask him to tell a funny story.

This way you dont come off as a cock, it shows you are friends with more people.

Remember a rising tide raises all ships.

But he is competition.

Regardless, how is that different from what I did? I did it playfully (it was in parenthesis).

Besides the set didn't take it badly, it's all in the execution.

[Dragon]

i am giving you a crash course on social relationships in florida. you need it.

-Rewok

LOL! OK..Rewok and I totally different views but by what your saying above Yoda, I'd suggest you take the invitation. Not taking sides here.. but I'm more closer on Bravo1's opinion here. I rather build everyone up and get a fun vibe that way than start going into AMOG tactics. My toolset in this situation is default in this order: befriend, ignore, tool.

I'm also going say your looking at it much differently then Bravo1, though you state its the same its not, it all comes down to intention. Your looking at it as well he's competition, while I'll say Bravo is looking at it leaving everyone better at the end. Totally different views, each on to his own. Hope that clarifies things.

[Yoda]

I disagree.

Intentions different, yes.

But the actual delivery was the same as bravo suggested.

Just like how you could run jealous girlfriend as an opener for newbie missions with the intention of getting experience where as I may use the same opener with the intent of getting laid.

We still did the same opener, that HB is still going to say "heard it before."

[Bravo]

First off if you are thinking the DRAMA guys are the shit, you really need to step up your game.



In highschool, I've noticed how many of the guys in drama club are really alpha. They walk with there heads up high, they're good speakers, and they're entertaining. They always have some interesting stories and they're really good at acting out situations in those stories.

How's a guy like me suppose to compete with them? They're such good entertainers... theres never a boring moment when they're around.




How about you OBSERVE him and learn from him?

2nd the girls from HIS set should be looking over at YOU, which means you weren't running your set.

The problem I have with stuff like this is if I saw someone do it I would think they were a dick. If you keep doing it eventually someone else will think it too.

This might be a short term solution but think in the long run it DLV's you.

Now if he was AMOGing you, then I would put him to work for you, but if he is just doing his own thing....

[Gypsy]

Please identify how "he is competition". Just because he was getting a bit more attention than you? Or was he hitting on your target?

Bravo1 is right. If you were running your set correctly than your target and other components of your set wouldn't be looking over at him they'd be puppy dog eyed fixated on you. I think you have an inner jealousy of these Drama guys because they have some qualities you desire ("They walk with there heads up high, they're good speakers, and they're entertaining"). So why don't you hang with them and learn to do well what they do and expand your social circle. Afterall, you could probably teach them a few things about being a PUA as well, so fair trade.

Furthermore, I don't entirely disagree with your tactics, just with your attitude. Why see this cat as compettiton? Why make him the Black Knight when he can be your White Pawn? You invited him over and he came. This is good. Keeps you in control and gives you some SP. That particular point would have been the perfect oppurtunity to isolate your target. I'm assuming that you did have a specified target. All obstacles are now busy with smily dancing monkey Josh while you're running the cube or whatever other isolation technique you like a few feet away, building that all important comfort and kino escalating to a kiss close baby. This is what being a PUA is about and not about socially dominating everyone you encounter. If you go the latter route you're going to make many enemies and have a shitload less fun.

[Yoda]

I'm still in highschool, when I game, its just for experience and for fun. I didn't have one particular target I was focusing on.

I think I did treat him as a pawn. I mean, i didn't totally destroy him, just decreased his value next to my own.

[Greystoke]

There is no competition. Hundreds of alpha men can be in a room and still get along. Just show respect and you'd receive respect in return. the belief that you have of them being 'superior' to you automatically lowers your value since you'll respond to them in ways that really make them higher value.

[Dragon]

There is no competition. Hundreds of alpha men can be in a room and still get along. Just show respect and you'd receive respect in return. the belief that you have of them being 'superior' to you automatically lowers your value since you'll respond to them in ways that really make them higher value.

Yep. I'm seconding that. "Treat others as you would treat yourself", treat others as friends they are, treat them like competition they are, everyone is how you make them out to be. Its all in YOUR mind.

[Yoda]

the belief that you have of them being 'superior' to you automatically lowers your value since you'll respond to them in ways that really make them higher value.
They aren't superior.

I was noting the many skills/talents that he had at his disposal.

[Rythm]

Sir Launcelot was the greatest, most handsome, most powerful knight in King Arthur's court. However, whenever Launcelot did something awesome, it only contributed to the fame of King Arthur. Why? because he was top dog. There should be no need to AMOG. Just suck the guy into your reality too, because if he is braught in as your friend, every cool thing he does, contributes to your fame. The King doesnt have to AMOG, he's the King. Savvy?

[Dream]

In highschool, I've noticed how many of the guys in drama club are really alpha. They walk with there heads up high, they're good speakers, and they're entertaining. They always have some interesting stories and they're really good at acting out situations in those stories.

How's a guy like me suppose to compete with them? They're such good entertainers... theres never a boring moment when they're around.

But I think i've figured out a solution. Play their strength as a weakness! :eek:

Today i saw this good-looking drama club guy named josh telling a really funny story to a nearby set. I saw some of the HB's in my current set looking over, obviously interested. So i loudly called josh over by saying (playfully) "hey josh, get over here, tell US a funny story. Entertain us."

And he came over really willingly. From then on it was just standard amog stuff.

Just identify them as the entertainer. Remember it's bad to be the entertainer? Just call them over and tell them to entertain your set. It keeps your set entertained while making you come off more alpha and at the same time making him seem like a tool.

I can see this working, and Ill say go ahead and do it if you feel like it. The underlying frame is wrong though, if your looking to tool guys, your going to get tooled yourself eventually.

You would probably be better off inviting him over and then merging him into the set. Your still in charge when you say "hey man, these cute girls here were checkin you out so i figured id invite you over and embarass them"

Create a good vibe, not a validation seeking one.

But hey, try both of them out and learn em in case you need one and not the other in the future, because eventually youll need both when some drunk amog comes barging in your set like a tractor.

[xen0s]

Why destroy when you make him your friend and possible wing? I generally don't like to AMOG since it might create some resentment and bad karma lol.

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[The MD]

I think I did treat him as a pawn. I mean, i didn't totally destroy him, just decreased his value next to my own.


First, I completely agree with bravo 1.

Second, it sounds like you don't need to decrease his value. Instead you need to work on improving yours. If you feel like you got to knock down a guy a few notches, bc he was stealing your attention from the other side of the room with out even trying, then you need to work on some of your inner game.

Third, if your tryin to game then game your target. You can't just be throwing it everywhere without any focus. That shows that you'll take anything. instead focus on your target, approach the set, and work the steps.


the MD

[CaptainAmazing]

hmm hey guys maybe its different in aus becoz there are so many schools in the one area BUT i dont think we shood b sargin at schools

talk 2 people u dont no at malls etc and pick them up, it just seems kinda odd 4 me coz my year consists of about 100 people and we all no each other so well now (as we've been at the same school for the last 4 years now lol)

maybe its different for you yanks tho lol

[Zebra]

Sounds to me in this scenario like the drama guy is just a guy who knows how to handle social pressure and attention, not really an obstacle or amog. Who knows maybe the drama guy is a PUA that just learned how to tell good stories and good body language.

For me a AMOG is a guy who is actively trying to lower my value. If another guy is working the venue and my value is lowered in comparison to him, I would try to bring him into my social circle so he can raise my value along with his (whole tribal leader and tribal leaders friends scenario here by Mystery)

Amoging is fun but unless the guy is actively being a dick, I don’t think its necessary. I would personally use the David D. mentality and try to make the guy my friend and then pick his brain for info about how he does it.

The only real problem I have with amogs is with drunk guys who you don’t even have to acknowledge, or when you work a set with a 10 or a 9. If it’s a girl who everyone is looking at and you open her, a lot of guys in the room who don’t have the balls to approach her will try to approach you instead and lower your value in front of the girl to indirectly try to gain her favor

befriend, ignore, tool.

I like this a lot. The B.I.T amog formula, very nice. I posted about it in another forum but couldn’t remember who I saw it from.

Remember a rising tide raises all ships.

Another really good way to think about it. A cool guy in your social circle raises all values.

-Z