Get Away From Online PU - It's Not Real PU

[LivinThedream]

I have been reading a few posts about how awesome people are at PU with AIM or Yahoo. Come on guys - being a keyboard jockey is a sad substitute for real life PU - its the shortcut way and you arent really learnign anything. Trust me, this is coming from a former AIM PUA (if you REALLY want to call it that) - Sure you can be smooth on AIM, but I have found that often these so called OPUAs (my made up word) have no social skills outside their virutal world - they become so used to talking online to people, that they loose their social skills out in the field - if you are getting action from online sources good for you, but don't let that become a substitute for real life interaction and practicing your game in the field. How much confidence does it take to IM a stranger? None. Going up to a live set, running game? Lots.

[gaash2]

Still, online dating is by far the easiest way to get laid and the quality is not bad either. But really you shouldn't be kicking game on AIM, any AIM convo should be. Hey, this is so and so from so and so site. Are you free this week to hang out? Or something along those lines.

[LivinThedream]

You are right about it being easy and that's my point - it doesnt breed any real skills - especially verbal skills. Not one thing I accomplised so easily was translated in the field. It is taking me practice with live women to build up the game I want to have.

I cannot tell you how many Men and Women I meet that are addicted to AOL that have NO LIVES outside of online. Making matters worse is they are so used to talking in chat rooms (I could throw in a napolean dynamite reference here but won't) that they are nervous, shy, and awkward in person.

Granted not EVERY AIM, AOL, etc habitual user is like this but many are and I don't consider online game, game at all. Mystery mentions in his book anyway - the game is not played online, it is played in the field.

[seldomseen]

Pickup is pickup. Its just another avenue. Ask Dave M who's dated close to 400 women from online.

No one should be spending 10 hours a day tied to their computer but you can use your computer to market yourself and meet women. Eventually you meet those women in person so you still have to have skills beyond pickup when it comes to getting ya swerve on with women.

[LivinThedream]

Ive probably met a minumum of 100 women online - slept with a decent portion (or could have but turned it down) and I can tell you in no way was I running game to get these women.

I stopped about a year ago becuase I was not getting the quality of women I wanted and I was not doing well in the field but using online as a crutch - now that I have been out practicing I feel much more confident than I ever did online.

[gaash2]

I still disagree, provided you are meeting and closing the girls in person. Yes, online dating is MUCH easier than picking up girls in the field, because unless you deceive/lie w/your pictures, they are already physically attracted to you. However, physical attraction is not enough to get a girl in bed w/you. You still need to be social, DHV, etc. when going out to get meaningful results. (f-close or near f-close) Is it harder in real life? Yes. However, to say you won't improve your game meeting girls from the internet (meeting them in *person*) is pretty niave.

[LivinThedream]

Online is no different than guys on this forum posting what the "will" or "want to" say. You can say these things via AIM, but could you say them in person to a girl by walkng up to a set. My experience says no.

My point is that if you continue to try to "game" online only - you will never get real social skills.

[Killikina]

Good point LivinThedream.

Online game is a great tool to meet new girls and talk to them. That being said, pua's should not rely on it as their MAIN source of meeting and communicating with women (especially AFTER they've already been on Day 2). It's all about balance.

Also, I've known and met pua's that are one way online and totally different in person. It's a lot easier presenting a certain persona or image in the virtual world. Try to be consistent.

[Killikina]

Oh and on a sidenote, when people ask you how you met, don't you feel embarrassed saying you met them on a dating site or facebook versus a club or through friends? That's if you decide to give an honest answer....Personally, "we arm-wrestled over the last popsicle at the summer BBQ" is a bit more entertaining :p

[gaash2]

I find it is usually the girl who feels awkward about telling the truth about meeting, not the guy. I have nothing to be ashamed of. Anyways, online game is an outlet to meet women IN PERSON. It is easier because if the girl contacts you she is probably attracted to you physically. This makes things easier, but at the end of the day, you are still going to have to meet and interact with a woman, IN PERSON, and there you can improve and use your game.

[Cleric]

Honestly I love online pickup because it outsources a lot of my time in the attraction and rapport building process. I can create multiple profiles that work to find women for me 24/7 while I go about my daily business. The selection truly is excellent as well. I used it to meet an HB8 Italian descent heiress (dad was a ferrari collector) from New Zealand (killer accent) who was into flying jets, racing motorcycles and had just purchased a house in Vail. Upon finding out this information I called a friend of mine and said, "Dude! My girlfriend's fucking Lara Croft!" Lol.

I will say that I have been writing poetry for about 18 years and have studied how to create online profiles that elicit emotional responses within women. It is my strength and I believe, as Mystery teaches, on capitalizing on your stregths.

Cleric

[LivinThedream]

You have fun online - more women for me in the field :) How do you practice take away or kino online exactly? Do you have some mythical way to touch the girl through your computer. Just messing with you man, but seriosuly, you say it helps you build attraction? Umm I dont see how thats possible but ok - I can see how it helps build comfort - but thats not getting you to squat if you dont have the solid attraction game going for you.

[fishbulb]

There's nothing wrong with online game on it's own. No reason why you can't use online game AND go out loads.

[Heartwork]

You have fun online - more women for me in the field :) How do you practice take away or kino online exactly? Do you have some mythical way to touch the girl through your computer?

Facebook Poke :)

[Killikina]

Ha ha if Facebook pokes counted Id be black and blue from bruises :p

[gaash2]

Often, you can get a girl to agree to meet you, IN PERSON, in the very early stages of attraction. In general with the girls I speak to online, they either e-mail me or I e-mail them with a 'Hi, What's up' type e-mail and from there it is immediately: "When are you free to meet" etc. The attraction and comfort is usually not built online, it is built when you meet them IN PERSON. The main difference as I alluded to before is that there is usually physical attraction already in place. But I thought game wasn't about physical attraction :)

You have fun online - more women for me in the field :) How do you practice take away or kino online exactly? Do you have some mythical way to touch the girl through your computer. Just messing with you man, but seriosuly, you say it helps you build attraction? Umm I dont see how thats possible but ok - I can see how it helps build comfort - but thats not getting you to squat if you dont have the solid attraction game going for you.

[Satan]

When I chat with a girl on MSN it's fun to get her on the phone. Through doing this I improved my story telling LOADS.

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[relics]

I made a girl orgasm through MSN nudges.

[Decibel]

Where are people going to hook up online? I've done practically every site for 4-5 years on and off and had about 2-3 dates from it. Online dating was a magnificent failure for me.