Actors in Mystery's Show? [Archive] - The Venusian Arts Forum

empyrean

08-22-2007, 03:39 AM

Hey guys.

I'm new to the community, and I don't know if it's a faux pas to admit that The Game peaked my interest, but it did. Actually, it was probably some friends in a club that were trying out openers and false time constraints and me seeing them work.

Anyway

I saw this in another forum, someone posted this picture...
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8451/wtfsupxb3.jpg

On the left it's "My Name Is Earl" season 2 ep 19, and the right is mystery's show ep 2.

Same guy??? What gives? I know this works so I'm confused as to why they would hire actors, if true.

Anyway any tips for starting off with the community?

Thanksss

crypticfox

08-22-2007, 04:12 AM

Wow... that's interesting. Definately looks like the same guy...

If it is though, it's possible he's an actor with no game. lol

spearhead21

08-22-2007, 04:55 AM

He looks very similar.
Yet I think they are different people, by looking at their face closely.
I have a friend who also looks as a clone of that guy.

Prophet

08-22-2007, 07:57 AM

WOW they do look a lot like the same person.

The guy in the left looks like he's part of the crew, not an actor on the show. But I've never seen that show so I could be wrong.

revmojo

08-22-2007, 08:27 AM

Not being a part of the show I can't say for sure, but it could be the same guy. It's really not a problem though. Most reality shows, even of this nature, still pull the "cast" from casting calls. Naturally, many of the people showing up are want-to-be actors, or little-known actors. Still, if they "fill the bill" they get cast in the show. It doesn't mean that Mystery's methods don't work (as a student of them, I know they do) nor does it mean that cast members such as Joe W. are acting in the show, it just means that they are cast in the same way as actors and as a result many of them have acting backgrounds.

It would be no different than if we saw Joe on General Hospital as a patient, and then 2 weeks later he is taken to a real hospital to have tonsil surgery and it was filmed for medical students. Even though he played a patient on a show, does not make his surgery experience any less real because now he is a real patient.

Dynamism

08-22-2007, 08:32 AM

Compare the guy on the left with the guy on the PUA with the same facial expression. Go to VH1 and see the photo gallery of Show 3...

Mild_Seven

08-22-2007, 09:02 AM

I believe the guy Joe on the pickup artist is in theatre, isn't it? His profile says he's interested in musical theatre, but that often means someone is an aspiring or semi-professional actor.

That doesn't necessarily mean he's acting on the show though. Being an actor doesn't mean he has game.

predurabo

08-22-2007, 09:15 AM

I was in a reality show that failed horribly. It was called daisy does america. Produced by courtney cox. Basically this english comedian goes thru the US and becomes amaericanized. It didnt do well and was cancelled after a couple of episodes. They paid for my cousins wedding in which they filmed for the show. They do coach you on how to act to a minor degree. It's not total acting but they basically give you tips on how to 'get more camera time' If you want to see yourself on TV you do it because if you dont they will cut you out. My dad actually got a good bit of face time on the show cause he's this old country hillbilly looking fellow and it went in line with the show.

Savant

08-22-2007, 09:25 AM

Well it doesn't really matter if he is an actor. It matters if the women he try to talk to are actors.

predurabo

08-22-2007, 09:43 AM

the girl that blew spoon off is part of a PUA entourage out of texas where this is filmed. It's in another thread. plus Kosmo is also a actor:
http://www.sceneinteractive.com/talents/ALVARO/#headshot

Savant

08-22-2007, 10:30 AM

wow, why would the casting director place actors of all people in the show? There is enough adverage joes out there that would be great to be on the show. Just look at beautiy and the geek. Them mo fos need mystery's help like now.

seldomseen

08-22-2007, 10:33 AM

wow, why would the casting director place actors of all people in the show?

they're amateur actors not A-list guys. They have to cast some guys who atleast have some background in acting. It's part scripted part improv - notice you don't hear a single curse word in any of the club/bar scenes. There's other things you can notice to realize its a "you guys do this and we're going to film" type of set up.

Dynamism

08-22-2007, 11:06 AM

Creating an MPUA is pretty damn difficult in 8 weeks out of a complete AFC.

That should have rang some bells to begin with. ;)

Harpo

08-22-2007, 11:10 AM

the girl that blew spoon off is part of a PUA entourage out of texas where this is filmed. It's in another thread. plus Kosmo is also a actor:
http://www.sceneinteractive.com/talents/ALVARO/#headshot

Kosmo is an actor like I'm an astronaut! That's hilarious. He has a wicked speech impediment, so non-speaking parts are perhaps an option. :D

Savant

08-22-2007, 11:55 AM

Click on the biggest picture on top, of the page that says view reel. Funny shit. He not the most powerful actor there is.

http://www.sceneinteractive.com/tale...VARO/#headshot

Almos

08-22-2007, 01:12 PM

predurabo

08-22-2007, 01:20 PM

Yes!! that was my cousins wedding! You can see me filming it with a small video camera for a few seconds I didnt get much screen time. I was on 60 minutes too once cause they did a story on new phone technologies. I was the only guy not dressed like a surfer so they put me in it. It's that GPS One emergency 911 chip qualcomm developed. It was pretty cool cause all the bosses were flipping out cause I was driving and demoing it and they knew my license was revoked.

crypticfox

08-22-2007, 01:24 PM

Creating an MPUA is pretty damn difficult in 8 weeks out of a complete AFC.

That should have rang some bells to begin with. ;)

There are several 'audition' videos for this show posted on youtube. After watching a few of them, I concluded that Mystery and crew were probably part of the selection process. If I were them, I'd pick guys that were somewhat AFC, but showed potential. Definately wouldn't pick the hardest cases, especially since they're selling products and ultimately want to grow their business.

Savant

08-22-2007, 08:03 PM

I disagree, you have to realize that they are trying to make good T.V. Ackward nerds are great tv and with 8 weeks of one on one contact with mystery, i think here is a great chance that a master might come out in the end. Also I think there going to stop doing classes beacuse they would be reconized in Bar and stuff. But whatever.

Rocco

08-23-2007, 08:02 AM

I have almost no doubt that all participants in the show are actors and that the show is in great part scripted. Mystery and co. with all their experience dealing with AFC's in bootcamps for so long, do know what the basic types of AFC's are that come to bootcamps.

So they looked for guys - actors who would match the stereotypes of AFC's: you have the fat guy - Joe, you have the too much energy guy accused of being gay- the other Joe - , you have the 40 y/o virgin guy- Fred, you have the guy who can not deal with AA - Spoon, and so on. And Mystery and co. told them how to behave according to the character they represent.

The producers of the show could not have assumed the risk of having a show where the outcome is uncertain. They had an idea what should happen in every episode, without actors and no script you have no guarantee what happens, also without actors you can not have the different characters they want to show. For exemple what have happend if all fail to approach/open in Episode 1? Or if all open succesfully? Then, there is no drama and the show would be boring.

Also the reactions from the approached sets IMO where much to polite to be real. There were no direct rejections, there were no AMOG's in the mixed sets, actually I wonder why the men in the mixed sets were so passive? The men in the mixed sets looked more like supernumeraries or speechless actors.
Ok, you can select the best approaches or the interesting ones, but what if there are no such in one night? I'm sure they had a deadline to film and without actors and script I think it's impossible to get the results the show needs in time.

predurabo

08-23-2007, 08:19 AM

you want people who can act more messed up then they actually are and in the end the change will be drastic. Look at the makeover shows. They pick somone who is a compete disaster. Somone who is beyone bad and they make them over to look fairly good. The change is so extreme it makes it look like a ripping success. They dont pick somone who looks average. That wouldnt be good tv.

I think it has been well proven that the show has actors in it and I tink it can be safe to assume they use editing to make the storyline fall into their design. If you remember the real world on MTV one of the cast members said they watched the show once and was amazed at how the editing actually completely changed what actually happened. They said they used shots from months ago on some material to completely alter the plot line. And totally manipulated the timeline. What actually happened at the end could be used in the first episode if it fit what they needed in the storyline.

These things are shot month before the first episide airs and for every hour of show there are prolly 50 hours of footage that was cut to make it.

ax_tor

08-23-2007, 10:08 AM

They should have got some better actors, these guys suck.

Bullshark

08-23-2007, 02:53 PM

Being an actor, Kosmo should have little or no AA. So he faked his AA in epsiodes 1 - 3 unlike spoon who was genuine. It was kinda weird when Kosmo started the canned material in a set and then stops in the middle and asks them "Am i boring?".

He's intentionally being an AFC and he's gonna step up his game in the later rounds. Did anyone call his cell phone? lol.

Aetio

08-23-2007, 05:04 PM

They should have got some better actors, these guys suck.

JAJAJAJAJJAJAJA!!!!!

Kaitia

08-23-2007, 08:27 PM

I would love to hear what Lovedrop, Jdog, or Matador has to say concerning this. I have been watching the show but now I am not sure I will. I love reading the forums but kinda disappointed now that I know this info.

Kaitia

predurabo

08-23-2007, 09:03 PM

This is not uncommon at all 90% or more of the reality shows on tv are staged. As I said before you dont invest a couple millin in production of a series hoping it pans ut well. What would happen if one of the guy's got a phone number or made out with a girl on the first episode? Companies dont take chances on things like that. It's got to be staged to make a compelling show it's just the way tv works.

I was watching a rerun of the second show the other day and I noticed that after the first 3 were given their medals it went to commercial and if you watch just as the show comes back look at the medals. There's still 7 medals although there should only be 4, showing that it wasnt taped in sequance. It's only shown for a sec as it pans in then the scene cuts out and it's back to normal.

Mild_Seven

08-23-2007, 09:12 PM

I kind of wondered why the hell Kosmo would open with breakdancing after Matador had told him 3 times not to do so.

Kaitia

08-24-2007, 07:22 AM

I can understand direction of a show but now anything they tell Kosmo or the other staged actors will be looked at as bullshit. I think I saw that Kosmo gets it going in the end and you have to wonder is any of the stuff he pulling real? I like the Freds and Spoons. Should of cut Kosmo the first episode.

Kaitia

RecoveringAFC

08-27-2007, 12:05 AM

mtv and vh1 reality show producers regularly coach the actors in reality shows. This is one of the reasons why the actors on laguna beach or whatever that program was were constantly laughing: they were spouting coached dialogue. Laguna Beach, Real World, The Pickup Artist are all staged and coached.

These are not reality shows. These are low rent, low cost productions with performers who don't have SAG cards. Reality shows are the wal mart of television.

ps: it seems like venusian arts forum is dominated by talk of the tv show. Does this help any of us pickup?

This is not uncommon at all 90% or more of the reality shows on tv are staged. As I said before you dont invest a couple millin in production of a series hoping it pans ut well. What would happen if one of the guy's got a phone number or made out with a girl on the first episode? Companies dont take chances on things like that. It's got to be staged to make a compelling show it's just the way tv works.

I was watching a rerun of the second show the other day and I noticed that after the first 3 were given their medals it went to commercial and if you watch just as the show comes back look at the medals. There's still 7 medals although there should only be 4, showing that it wasnt taped in sequance. It's only shown for a sec as it pans in then the scene cuts out and it's back to normal.

Savant

08-27-2007, 05:10 AM

IDEA:) .
If a girl said that o i heard that on PUA. Then you just calmly say. You know there all actors right.
Her. Really?
You. Yea, one of them was on My name is Earl. Google it when you get the chance.

Perfect:D

Almos

08-27-2007, 06:42 AM

There seems to be a lot of actors or wannabe actors/entertainers in this show :

Kosmo is an actor as shown above

Fred is "an actor, singer, comedian"

Spoon wants to be on the Ellen show, Conan O'Brien, MadTV, SNL, a reality show, in a movie, in a commercial

Joe W is a member of the SAG

Joe D's occupation is listed as 'Actor'

All this information is from myspace.

Jetstar

08-27-2007, 07:09 AM

Guys,

They sourced participants for the show by doing a casting call. The link was even posted in these forums.

Who are the most likely people to apply/turn up to a casting call... Wanna be actors/models.

You can tell by their body language that these guys are legit socially awkward individuals. These guys are not actors!

Savant

08-27-2007, 07:25 AM

But dude there JOB is to put on a persona other then there on. That's what an actor is. They might not have a love life but, i don't know that. For all i know Spoon could be pimpin 20 hoes in Hong Kong now.:D.

All i'm saying is they didn't have to get actors and they way i'm seeing it know most if not all of them are actors. There's enough cronic AFC's in america that need mystery's help.

Poetry

08-27-2007, 07:30 AM

I find it hard to believe someone would ACT like they can't get a woman -- essentially lowering their value to anyone that saw you on the show... Aside from that -- is it so hard to believe these people are AFCs? I look at Fred and shake my head...

predurabo

08-27-2007, 07:37 AM

Ok so let's assume even tho kosmo is a actor it's just coincidence after all somone who is trying to be a actor can be socially awkward too I guess. How do you explain that the girl that gave spoon the cold shoulder in the first episode was a member of a texan PUA's posse? And the show was shot in texas BTW. Plus The pecocking hat the texan PUS (tynan) is seen on the head of a girl in the club and I guess you can see him there as well. Explain that.

Almos

08-27-2007, 08:03 AM

I find it hard to believe someone would ACT like they can't get a woman -- essentially lowering their value to anyone that saw you on the show...

A lot of people use these reality shows as a way to get into the entertainment industry. Guys like this probably apply to loads of different shows. As long as they get exposure the net result is positive. Personally I think it's part acting and part genuine.

RecoveringAFC

08-27-2007, 11:46 AM

If a girl brings up the show, her objection is that you are trying to manipulate her into being attracted. The assumption is you do not have the true confidence or social skills without the canned lines. As Erik says: "I train competent men, not confident men." How will saying that you are imitating actors alleviate her concerns that you are manipulating her and don't have true confidence or social skills?

IDEA:) .
If a girl said that o i heard that on PUA. Then you just calmly say. You know there all actors right.
Her. Really?
You. Yea, one of them was on My name is Earl. Google it when you get the chance.

Perfect:D

The Real McCoy

08-28-2007, 01:31 AM

No shit these guys are actors. They are playing a part. None of the shit that happens on that show is real. It's all scripted and controlled by the producers.

That's why they keep the actors and get rid of the guys who actually need help.

The show is a joke!!!!!

The Real McCoy

08-28-2007, 01:34 AM

Couture

08-28-2007, 06:59 PM

I kind of wondered why the hell Kosmo would open with breakdancing after Matador had told him 3 times not to do so.

haha - funny shit.

Fusion

08-28-2007, 08:17 PM

Not bad for a reality show.. of sorts. I'm not sold on it being staged, as some of the club interactions seem realistic.

Fusion

Fate

08-28-2007, 11:40 PM

The guys on the show probably are actors but that doesn't mean the whole thing is rigged. Did you notice the disclaimer stating "the following scenes are real" etc comes before the club scenes, NOT at the beginning of the show.

Session

09-21-2007, 07:40 PM

If you go to the description of the show on VH1.com, the word reality (with regards to the show) is never used.

Khaki

09-21-2007, 08:09 PM

maxtall

09-21-2007, 08:55 PM

Hi,

Well, I took acting classes once upon a time. And....ummmmm.....being an actor doesn't make you good at pua. I really can't see ANY reason personally they would fake the show. Why? Because anyone here who is an AFC and tried Mystery's stuff KNOWS it actually works.

I mean, it really works. Only from reading the BOOK, no dvd's, not jack, I've had some pretty astounding success with women like 20 years younger than me...I think one of them is going out. And I'm probably starting worse off than anyone on the show presents themselves to be.

There's nothing I've seen on the show that frankly you couldn't have done reading the book except the strip club scene. Getting a girl to bounce out of a strip club is tough. Maybe if you got a limo.

Then again, I know a guy who is AFC and had sex in the club with a stripper and was NOT charged for it...other than the cost of 3 lap dances. You know, he hit her the night before father's day and she was separated with a son and feeling lonely. Things happen.

Sounds like to me, on the surface, they shot it LOW budget and grabbed the actor dudes 'cause they didn't have to pay them money to be gone from their jobs. These guys came cheap.

I don't see any reason to script the show. I wonder about the motives of this thread even coming up. I'm new here. But was this thread started by or supported by people who have a hidden agenda of undermining Mystery?

This just seems like an innapropriate thread in MYSTERY'S own forum. Seems to me if it was on Juggler's list or RSD, it would be fine. But why would Mystery's own dogs trash out his show?

Is there no loyalty in this forum? Nothing personal. But I wonder about the motives behind this thread. Mystery has helped me lots just from his book and I for one stand up for him.

Maxtall

Grizzly

09-21-2007, 10:51 PM

Well, I am a professional actor here in Los Angeles and I have major AA!!! Just cause you can act from a script with someone else's words does not make you a God in every situation in life. In fact the only time I got to kiss a girl was during a scene we were reading (so sad..) These guys on the show are prob actors trying to start out that have day jobs and act when its possible. That is Joe W on "My Name is Earl" as an extra, I've worked the same show as well. Think about it, where do you think VH1 has their casting calls? Most likely Craigslist in the talent section where most AFA's (Average Frustrated Actors) look. And they (VH1) interview these guys, actors or not, to make sure they are real guys with no game, etc. Point being made, these guys are being themselves I believe. And prob thought after the show, "hey, I can be an actor" if they were not already. MM does work!!! :cool:

zyron

09-22-2007, 08:13 AM

Well if there fake, then there pretty good actors. Those dudes cry on cue every freaking show.

just dont do that in front of the chicks. before I found MM, I tried to get a girl I have like for a long time, and I had tears in my eyes and she bolted like a scared gazzelle. lol

noblepaladin

09-22-2007, 09:49 AM

Even if the show is "real", all the amateur actors will get on because their casting tape looks the best (For obvious reasons, they are actors. Many true AFCs lack the social skills/understanding to make an expressive, interesting, casting tape). Also, even if nothing is scripted, they have 7 weeks of footage which they edit into something like 7 hours. They can choose the 1 set that succeeded out of 50 and put it on tape if they want.

Also, I'm sure all the guys get professional makeup/advice that you won't get in normal boot camps and they are told to act in certain ways or to say certain things. So it's probably half real and half fake, with a lot of clever video editing. I don't doubt that after 7 weeks of going out and practicing, that the guys get a few great sets and a few bad sets, even if they are really AFC in the beginning. They just choose the ones that are best for TV to display.

Hawks Talon

09-22-2007, 12:11 PM

Even if the show is "real", all the amateur actors will get on because their casting tape looks the best (For obvious reasons, they are actors. Many true AFCs lack the social skills/understanding to make an expressive, interesting, casting tape).

Not all of us nerds are the shirking pocket-protector types you know. I have not a single ounce of acting skill within my body but I'm fairly gregarious and expressive. It also happens I'm also incredibly shy. The only reason I say all this is that I did get a call back after auditioning for this show (I dont know how many steps were left after that) but couldn't risk losing a year of Ph.D. work (course sequence fuck-up), a TA job, and a tremendous social cost in relation to my professors. To be honest, I know actors can play themselves down, but how far can they go before it looks false? Maybe I'm thinking too much.

Its no shock this show has a lot of actors but there are guys like me who really do need the social skills and life coaching this situation can provide. OTOH, since this was a show that took people off I'm somewhat relieved I couldn't make the time because I'd worry about doing it and then getting cut loose without making any real change or progress (see Spoon). To only go a very small part of the way seems like leaving a person in the middle of the highway. Then again, I'm still too awkward to even attempt any of the MM principles.

I will say that I'd have to think the actors would tend to have more success only because of the training in the suppression and modification of their personality to perform a task. If they had gone "all nerds" I don't think this format would work because the time to establish results is so short. Its kinda silly to read the MM book and note how often they tell people to go out and interact and then take the lower quartile of men and give them a much abbreviated time frame. While they are receiving intensive coaching, that's very little time to calibrate the teaching into real-world behavior. 7 opportunities to learn versus the MM suggested going out 4 times a week.

If they do a 2nd season I think they oughta tweak the rules and shrink the contestant # down to 6 or so and for the love of god, do it over a time where nerds might be able to actually do this show. May-August or January. The only obvious non-actor, Pradeep, appears to likely come from some amount of money that he can drop a semester/year of school and he's at the right age and in the right academic discipline that losing the time doesn't matter as much. Since I figure posting here eliminates me from the next go around I only ask this at least for others out there like myself.

doomstick

09-22-2007, 02:36 PM

i love that they're actors cuz when people try to call me out on jocking the guys from the pick up artist i just say "they're actors, you dont believe everything you see on tv do you?"

maxtall

09-22-2007, 05:19 PM

Hi,

After ONLY reading the MM book, I've made what to me is a pretty fast
turnaround. As in only since the beginning of the show.

And today, I held a conversation with an HB9 at the coffee shop...I
opened the set...and sat down with her for 5-10 min. I didn't get any
further than that. But neither did most of the guys on the show.

And you have to understand, I'm missing hair, 20-30 years older than the
girl, very little good looks, overweight...I mean, the list goes on and on. And
I'm NOT a natural...for gosh sakes, I was trying to meet this girl and showed
her my laptop with all the PUA sites OPEN! (I already posted about this). And not only that, I wore my peacock jeans with the label on the leg ON!
And I didn't remove the label under the brim of the peacock hat I bought till
someone TOLD me to!

Before MM, the girl would have NEVER even given me the time of day, little
alone carried on a conversation. And this all happened since the first show that I saw and convinced me to buy Mystery's book.

Oh, I guess if I WERE on the show, I would have gotten nailed for having
acting classes in my past. Which is true. Of course, I got KICKED out of the
classes!

Anyways, without coaching, I'm doing pretty much as good as the guys on
the show. And in the same time frame. And I have a LOT less going for me
than they do.

Maybe the show is fake....Can't see ANY reason for doing so other than a
very low budget and recruiting people using the talent section of Craig's list
which WOULD make sense.

There is NO reason in the entire world real AFC's wouldn't have done just as
well. I'm just as expressive as those dudes. And I imagine a lot of other
AFC's are too. The FREEZE up happens around beautiful women.

I can be in front of big groups of people or cameras and not really even be
nervous. But put a HB9 on the front row and it'll freak me out.

Maxtall

Oregon

09-23-2007, 06:14 AM

The only reasoning I can give for Tynan/Herbal and his girls being there on the first episode is to work as pivots and easy sets for Mystery and his crew to use. When Spoon got nervous, Mystery said go talk to my friend or something like that. I'm not 100% convinced everything was fake, but it definitely has some ???.

Charisma

09-23-2007, 07:09 AM

So they're actors. Who cares?

You all know this stuff works, so what's the big deal?

coolguy

09-23-2007, 07:12 AM

I think the actors thing is not something that came from a deduction, but rather the topic came up inductively due to surfacing evidence that show was, at least in part, rigged with fake sets. I am guessing that this was to cut down on time/money/etc. and make sure the right result was caught on camera. Like someone else said, I am sue the producers wanted some assurance that the show would be entertaining enough and have the right proportions of particular dramas.

Hawkeye

09-23-2007, 09:44 AM

In the show joe mentions that he acted in plays and shows so i think that he is an actor but not a stooge

Pimperonni

09-23-2007, 06:39 PM

Somebody mentioned that they thought that maybe Kosmo is a plant.
I don't know if he is or not, but if you take into account that he's an actor it's kind of interesting to think about.

The first challenge, Kosmo didn't approach anybody... and for the second challenge, he just danced instead of talking... so we didn't get to see much of his game for awhile... making his improvement appear to be dramatic.

Who knows...

Osiris

09-24-2007, 02:12 PM

Joe W. as "Agent Smith" in this Matrix parody on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQR0z6I0z4

Tambo

09-24-2007, 08:03 PM

None of these guys seem like they have the acting abilities to fake the emotions they did. I saw a lot of myself in these guys and from reading their myspace blogs these guys seem like the real deal.

Anyways, I think we should wait to hear from the VA crew themselves after the show dies down to see what really went on.

epifunny

09-24-2007, 08:37 PM

It would be VERY good if someone from Venusian Arts commented on this. Staging stuff undermines credibility.

kjtw

09-25-2007, 12:52 AM

So, my wing and I were talking about this tonight and a question came up.

There have been all of these reality shows over the last few years (seems like decades worth of them) and many of the people involved all of a sudden call themselves actors once their respective shows are over. So, I wonder, have these guys become "actors" since the show wrapped filming or were they actors prior to the show?? Just a thought that we came up with...

PlutoISaPlanet

09-25-2007, 04:01 PM

Oregon

09-25-2007, 05:09 PM

I'd be willing to dismiss nearly all the "fake" allegations if it weren't for this:

http://www.actionagencyla.com/bradysprunger.htm

wtf did Brady show up that first day w/ hair all hanging in his face? He was a good looking guy all along, it's like they doctored him up to make him look AFC.

Strange, but this website has him at 20 and he is listed at 25 now...things can happen in that time frame and I know lots of "models" who never made it. IMO, Kosmo and Brady were easily the two best looking, and it does sketch me out about these guys being actors. Oh well. I want to go on the next season. I'm not a complete AFC (I've now been with 11 girls in my life, all in the last 2.5 years, 8 in the past year...most fool's mates) but I think that it would be more realistic for me to become a mPUA in a short timespan than some of the guys on the show.

C'mon Mystery, pick me. I'll win the show and be the best fucking instructor you have. Okay, maybe not. But that's the goal.

CaStiK61

09-25-2007, 10:07 PM

I knew that spoon was the guy from madtv, and I think all of it was fake but I don't think it really matters if MM works, I think the show was to get it all more mainstream for them to make more money which if true who cares.... the shyt works keep ur game going and create new openers and so forth I mean most of those were in the book anyways cuz I don't use those just so I'm not put on the spot by a girl who read the book or watched the show btw I was backing joe d from the jump but I knew from the jump that it was gonna be cosmo

goodrake

09-26-2007, 07:14 AM

Whether the guys were actors or not is of less concern to me, than whether the folks in the club were actors.

Sure, starting with an actor portraying the AFC would probably mean less issues with learning the MM and having the confidence to use it, on the accelerated production schedule of a TV show.

As long as those guys weren't using the MM before the show, and weren't natural players, the idea that a fellow can change his game or build a game and gets results across the board irrespective of the individual personalities of the folks in the club was still demonstrated in the show.

Banzai

02-15-2008, 09:42 AM

Man of course the show isnt all real !! There's too much money in it, and its not just VH1 and th producer's money..,....is the potential profit for the venusian arts......Some girls and the guys are actors....what woud it happen if no one could pick up any girl ? if they weren't improving episode after episode ?

Or does someone really believe that guy(i forgot his name) really picked up that stripper ? that striper was an actress....it has to be to show that he was improving.....a lot of us guys know that turning into an alpha pick up artist isnt something that happens over night, and even having success isnt something linear. Im sure that a lot of guys here a good. But sometimes you guys go out and cant do shit. You are blown out of every set.

Then this is bad publicity for Mystery and the Venusian Arts ! Of course the show is staged.....what is the important question is if THE PRODUCT IS REAL.........

Im saying some great improvements in my game......but i would want to have SOME PROOF THAT A GUY FROM THE FORUM ACTUALLY MADE IT TO PUA, AND BY MADE IT TO PUA I AM SAYING: CAN PULL HOT CHICKS IN ANY CLUB, HAVE MULTIPLE SEX PARTNERS....

Banzai out

latinguy

02-15-2008, 11:16 AM

Most people don't want to go on TV and be an AFC and embarass themselves in front of the world.

I would expect many of the guys to be AFC starving actors looking to improve both their game and their career.

I think Kosmo had far more game than he made out. He's a good looking latino!

girlinnyc21

02-16-2008, 04:34 PM

If it doesn't matter, why do it?

Aren't two guys from the show instructors now and get their students based on the show?

Maybe it does matter to some.

Deft9

02-23-2008, 06:17 PM

Yep, it was all fake. They were all actors, it was all scripted. There is no online community of pickup artists. It's all a big lie.

:D

checkers

02-23-2008, 06:30 PM

Who cares if the show had actors on it? I know the material works. You know the material works. You shouldn't need further proof on what we already know.

Correct?

girlinnyc21

02-25-2008, 07:19 AM

Who cares if the show had actors on it? I know the material works. You know the material works. You shouldn't need further proof on what we already know.

Correct?

If the material works so well, why would they need to do that? I don't buy the "who cares" because if it's true they cared enough to do it.

Like the guys who say don't hate on them for making money seem to hate on anyone BUT them making money.

BishopDon

02-26-2008, 05:18 AM

You think VH1 is going to gamble and have a bunch of random strangers on a show not many really care about? They had to add some entertainment aspects to it. They didn't do this show for the underground PUA community. They did this show for the mainstream audience so they don't care if you have issues with some of the guys already being b-list no name actors. Mystery does not run the show the producers and big wigs do. I read where RSD (Tyler, Jeffy etc) was approached to do the show but they turned the idea down.
Anyway don't get caught up in whether some of it was rehearsed or not if you got game no show or anything else matters but your own game and your own reality. Peace!

If the material works so well, why would they need to do that? I don't buy the "who cares" because if it's true they cared enough to do it.

Like the guys who say don't hate on them for making money seem to hate on anyone BUT them making money.

checkers

02-27-2008, 01:41 PM

If the material works so well, why would they need to do that? I don't buy the "who cares" because if it's true they cared enough to do it.

Like the guys who say don't hate on them for making money seem to hate on anyone BUT them making money.

I've been in the community 3 months about now, and I went from being a wall flower to being a VIP at the clubs i frequent. I'm having great # K closes, and almost all the women I talk to are 8s or hotter. I'm posting up pictures of my last night out (on my FR thread) and 3 months ago, I wouldn't have THOUGHT of talking to these women.

It takes time to develop the skillset, everyone in the community probably knows that, so whats wrong with them embellishing a little bit?

girlinnyc21

02-27-2008, 10:04 PM

I've been in the community 3 months about now, and I went from being a wall flower to being a VIP at the clubs i frequent. I'm having great # K closes, and almost all the women I talk to are 8s or hotter. I'm posting up pictures of my last night out (on my FR thread) and 3 months ago, I wouldn't have THOUGHT of talking to these women.

It takes time to develop the skillset, everyone in the community probably knows that, so whats wrong with them embellishing a little bit?

Two instructors got their cred from that show and the results they got. If the show was rigged, what qualifies these men to be instructors and charge three gand a bootcamp?

If it's okay to lie, will you say that when the competition does it or does only Mystery get a pass?

They use that show to sell bootcamps, so it's not just a harmless lie.

Decibel

02-28-2008, 12:16 PM

If the material works so well, why would they need to do that?

Because taping a TV series can take weeks, while evolving from AFC to PUA can take months or longer. And it's often a pretty boring and painful process to watch. So to spice up 'reality' TV, often times it's necessary to plant actors or script much of it. My friend from high school has worked on numerous reality shows and they're ALL scripted to a large degree.
But yeah, follow me around in field for 2 weeks and you'll be switching over to the learning channel after about 10 minutes.

girlinnyc21

02-28-2008, 06:30 PM

Because taping a TV series can take weeks, while evolving from AFC to PUA can take months or longer. And it's often a pretty boring and painful process to watch. So to spice up 'reality' TV, often times it's necessary to plant actors or script much of it. My friend from high school has worked on numerous reality shows and they're ALL scripted to a large degree.
But yeah, follow me around in field for 2 weeks and you'll be switching over to the learning channel after about 10 minutes.

If it's no problem then why not tell the audience instead of saying THERE ARE NO ACTORS IN THIS CLUB? That's active deception. The product tie-ins make it more than just entertainment, more like if you learned that the home-improvement show you watched was hosted by an actor who also had consulting gigs.

If another outfit like MMC or RSD had done that, I don't think this board would be so forgiving, and I don't think their boards would be as unforgiving.

A guy who was an AFC last year might think he's got it all worked out and he might be wrong. That isn't exactly a lot of time.

btw, it wasn't just the contestants who were actors, some of the targets were too. Many of them were promo models or struggling singers/actresses/dancers.

Dinno

02-28-2008, 08:13 PM

Kosmo is doing is in movies too...
I think VH1 picked the guys out 4 mystery...

Lovebyte

03-01-2008, 08:12 AM

I wrote Kosmo, aka Alvaro Orlando, at his agency website and still have not received word back. I have three students in our WolfPack that are royally fucked for confidence because an outside PUA dropped the bomb on them that Kosmo was a pro-actor and that the transformation that inspired them to improve appeared to be nothing more than a well placed marketing ploy. I'm not speaking against Mystery or the Venutian Artists but I would just like some confirmation as to whether or not Kosmo and the rest of the AFC's were genuine about their experience. I need to provide these guys proof soon, one of them has already given up PUA for the time being because he feels duped.
If you hear anything please go to www.lifeonhigh.com/wolf and post your info so that my Pack can get back to sarging.

latinguy

03-01-2008, 10:29 AM

rahter than worrying about kosmo, get decibel or AW to hang out with you sometime.. i have never seen them in action but by their posts i am sure they have great game.

Decibel

03-01-2008, 11:51 AM

one of them has already given up PUA for the time being because he feels duped.

This is the most insane thing I've read in a long time. Going back to AFCism and giving up PU because the VH1 show had actors?? Forget about a few contestants, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY is made up of AFCs who got their shit together and turned their lives around. Have them listen to Matador or J-Dog talk about their AFC days, read stuff by me, The Judge, J the Ripper. We couldn't do what we do now without the MM. So do you give up sarging and inner game development because maybe the show used actors, or do you take the word of 100s of guys who've actually made the transformation??

BishopDon

03-01-2008, 12:34 PM

I have three students in our WolfPack that are royally fucked for confidence because an outside PUA dropped the bomb on them that Kosmo was a pro-actor and that the transformation that inspired them to improve appeared to be nothing more than a well placed marketing ploy

I have several names for you guys to remember: The first one being STYLE - total chump, started with nothing and became for a long time the most admired and skillful PUA of all time. Even though I'm not into rankings, hero worship or anything like that Style made it possible for a lot of you. Second name Tyler, watch the old Mystery videos from his workshop back in like 2002 when he was in NY and you see Tyler in his early stages looking like a total dork but sucking in all of this knowledge. Now its hard to find a better person to explain or articulate game than Tyler. These are just two of out dozens of names you cold drop.
The point is these guys started from zero. They started from being virgin chumps to dating models and such. So Mystery comes a long and decides to do a show that VH1 wants to do for entertainment. Does it take away from the many other guys who weren't b list unknown actors who enjoyed success. And maybe many didn't enjoy success with Mystery Method but it did lead them on a journey to seek and learn. You all do realize that you aren't limited to VA and MM don't you? And you do realize that many who do use or learn from VA and MM have progressed. Think about that.

The number one weakness of most guys game is limiting beliefs!! Period!

girlinnyc21

03-01-2008, 04:48 PM

I have several names for you guys to remember: The first one being STYLE - total chump, started with nothing and became for a long time the most admired and skillful PUA of all time. Even though I'm not into rankings, hero worship or anything like that Style made it possible for a lot of you. Second name Tyler, watch the old Mystery videos from his workshop back in like 2002 when he was in NY and you see Tyler in his early stages looking like a total dork but sucking in all of this knowledge. Now its hard to find a better person to explain or articulate game than Tyler. These are just two of out dozens of names you cold drop.
The point is these guys started from zero. They started from being virgin chumps to dating models and such. So Mystery comes a long and decides to do a show that VH1 wants to do for entertainment. Does it take away from the many other guys who weren't b list unknown actors who enjoyed success. And maybe many didn't enjoy success with Mystery Method but it did lead them on a journey to seek and learn. You all do realize that you aren't limited to VA and MM don't you? And you do realize that many who do use or learn from VA and MM have progressed. Think about that.

The number one weakness of most guys game is limiting beliefs!! Period!

If another company had faked the show, would the people here be so forgiving? If the methods work so well, it's even more puzzling that they'd feel the need to rig it.

The only woman that's been linked to style is Lisa, and she had dinner with Robbie Williams on Valentine's Day. Neil said he seduced a few hundred LA women who would do anything for fame and that disgusted him. Looks like the one thing they won't do for fame is go on TV talking about Neil. Neil hung with rock stars and porn stars before he got into the community, and he was a writer for Rolling Stone, not a chump.

Videos, internet posts, and all that to sell stuff is gonna lead guys to wonder when they find out something was staged. There's never been any real academic study of the results, just guys self-reporting improvement that may or may not be true, and may or may not be improvement beyond their own minds.

Put a three-grand price tag on something and the customers have every right to question everything.

BishopDon

03-01-2008, 05:37 PM

Neil hung with rock stars and porn stars before he got into the community, and he was a writer for Rolling Stone, not a chump.

Neil also wasnt getting laid. He was a chump with women and admitted it - I still have the MySpace message he sent me in 2006 when he told me how awful he was. Case closed on that issue.

Put a three-grand price tag on something and the customers have every right to question everything.

this is the only part I agree with. I dont like the marketing and huge bootcamp fees but if people are paying it its hard to question. You forget Mysterys big goal is to be famous. He wants to be in the limelight, thats why you see him on Conan, VH1 etc. But again instead of complaining why not go seek out another company or pay attention the the philosophy and the methods and not the fact that the company is in the limelight making reality/staged tv shows for the audiences entertainment.

Hell I got good info reading and listening to the free stuff just as much as the stuff I bought.

latinguy

03-01-2008, 06:16 PM

Nah, this stuff works. I studied ross jeffries materials years ago and it didn't help that much. I figured a lot of pieces out on my own. When I read the mystery method book, lights went off all over the place, its like he connected all the dots. Particularly some of the parts around last minute resistance - thats a pretty hard area to do a lot of testing on unless you have a lot of experience. I had figured some things out that mystery hadn't, but generally he had much better techniques than I did for almost all of it.

And, my game is now significantly better. I read the mystery method in January.

Lovebyte

03-01-2008, 10:39 PM

In response to Bishop Don and Decibel's postings on page 8 concerning three AFC students losing heart because Kosmo is an actor:

I understand fully what Bishop Don and Decibel are saying. Know that as AFC's my students are coming from a very naive place, where the first light of hope in the way of Female Companionship reared its head in the form of a VH1 tv show. I've been around for a long time, since even before NLP, and I have never seen a more devoted group of students created from one public demonstration. My wing Norco and I don't teach our PUA's to focus only on one method, but the push of recent bootcamps and the flood of MM readers who don't get past chapter 5 are making the clubs in Michigan (which are not as plentiful or as forgiving as other regions) unfriendly to the heavily used canned material. I encourage them to develop their inner game long before attempting outer measures like appearance changes and peacocking theory. I don't mean disrespect to any school of thought or it's figureheads, just a respectful questioning of the validity in going public when our discretion was such an advantage beforehand. I have already fortified my PUA's with the cold hard truth that nothing they viewed on VH1 can be used in the field verbatim, but hopefully the progress that it seems to have documented can be used for the building of confidence and initially hope.

girlinnyc21

03-01-2008, 11:11 PM

Neil also wasnt getting laid. He was a chump with women and admitted it - I still have the MySpace message he sent me in 2006 when he told me how awful he was. Case closed on that issue.

Because he said so?

Maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but if all you're going on is what you read on the net, you can see why someone new might be unnerved if they learn the show was faked.

latinguy

03-02-2008, 04:53 AM

girlinnyc21 you make a good point. Years ago, Bishop (Michael Emery) was one of the top guys, writing the famous (infamous?) Bishop's Journal. At the time, for the community, Bishop had similar status to a guy like Matador has today.

All kinds of drama went on but after it all shook out I became pretty convinced Bishop was a fraud and it was all made up. Here's a page about bishop supposedly coming back:

http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2004/05/bishop_returns.html

This was a page we found about Bishop which started to clue us in to something being wrong:

http://www.traderlist.com/MichaelEmery.html

The difference is that back then nobody ever saw Bishop with a girl. I haven't personally seen Mystery or Matador, but enough independent third parties have that it has to be legit.

Hengman

03-02-2008, 04:30 PM

^
That is some crazy shit, Latin.

But who the fuck is Bishop? I heard of his name, but who is he?

latinguy

03-02-2008, 06:36 PM

Bishop's real name is Michael Emery. He was the top sidekick of Ross Jeffries and they always went out sarging together, they ran conferences together, etc. Bishop posted these incredible stories of his successes to the list.. Over the course of about a year, they were amazing.. We all used to read them and study them intensively, they were so well put together. I particularly studied them a lot to learn everything from them, you have no idea how much work I put into that.

I went to a conference where Bishop was speaking about some of his stories.. and it was fascinating, i didn't quite catch it at the time, but he actually had to be prompted a bit to remember them.. And I realised after the conference that *I* knew his stories better than he did!

I spent some time with him during the conference and he showed me his routines.. I realised exactly what people were talking about when he would "stiffen up".. because he did.

Now, please remember that Bishop had *exactly* the same profile and credibility of Matador today, except that nobody had seen Bishop be successful.. So when he got into trouble, and then went to jail it was all pretty shocking. So I left the community, absolutely disgusted.. how could Ross Jeffries openly support someone like this who clearly WASN'T successful with women?

"Thats my opinion and you're welcome to it."