Girls w/ Boyfriends

[JKC]

Meeting girls with boyfriends?... what does any1 think? if u find out a girl has a b/f should u just back off and go for her friends? or do u think u would just go for it and try to get her anyways?

[Unique_pua]

Hi

It's not that often you get a chance to close the girl with the BF present, but it does happen.
What I normally do is just befriend both of them, and make sure I don't pose a threat to their relationship in any way.
Then get her into isolation and start working the magic there.

Another alternative is if she has hot friends that you can PU instead.

Unique

[X-Press]

I would get with girls with boyfriends, but not if they have a husband and family. A boyfriend is not THAT serious and many girls have some type of a boyfriend, IMO. But if down the road I see that she has alot of baggage with the guy and I foresee trouble, I might not waste my time, unless I happened to care for the girl.

[Savant]

Try the gay angle with the two of them present. So he fells non threatend. With that key element gone then it's easier to get her number. But what do i know i started just two days ago. :o

[X-Press]

Try the gay angle with the two of them present. So he fells non threatend. With that key element gone then it's easier to get her number. But what do i know i started just two days ago. :o

:D ;;;;;;;;;;

[Savant]

what's so funny?

[Greystoke]

Meeting girls with boyfriends?... what does any1 think? if u find out a girl has a b/f should u just back off and go for her friends? or do u think u would just go for it and try to get her anyways?

If they have a good relationship, I will not mess with them. Still befriend her regardless. All girls have single friends.

If the relationship is on the rocks, you can befriend and then AMOG the bf in front of her. Attracting her while going under the radar.

Indirect game works better on HBs with bfs because she may not tell you she has a bf if she feels attracted to you before you express sexual interest in her.

[A.J.]

ill go for it if she has a bf but only because ive had it done to me before. (ya ya ya i know eye for an eye the whole world goes blind....)

oh but i should mention that married women or bf's with mutual kids are off limits and unless you feel like the girl is worth a potential fight then dont do it.

[WANine]

Don't go for girls with boyfriends, unless like grey said, the relationship is on the rocks.

I've got a girlfriend that I love and I can tell you right now that if anyone tried any PU shit on her in front of me, I'd kick them right in the nuts.

[Poetry]

I have and will continue to game women with 'boyfriends.' I have a simple list why as well:


It's a boyfriend, not a husband -- until there's a ring, it's never THAT serious.
Most relationships get monotonous after the 'honeymoon' stage, if I game her and she goes along, she was LOOKING for a change.
Who am I to shove this woman away from being happy?


I won't get into details, but if she doesn't mention her b/f -- I wouldn't either. Also, if she says "I have a boyfriend" immediately when you start gaming her, you didn't create enough attraction -- she may or may not have a boyfriend, but she DOES want you to go away; however, if she says laaaaater on down the road, "oh, I uhm, am kind of seeing someone." she's already yours, and continue to game. Never, EVER create the feeling of neediness -- patience is a virtue, especially when you already know you're going to get yours at the end of the night.

Remember, the words "I'm seeing someone" mean absolutely jack-shit if she's out with you and not them. Just be sure to create attraction and follow the method, else you end up in the friends zone and desperately try to bash her "boyfriend," which creates negative emotion for you, and positive for him since she'll defend him. We want to stay away from one-itis and looking like an AFC, don't we? :)

[-Silver-]

It's a boyfriend, not a husband -- until there's a ring, it's never THAT serious.


Saying that makes me wonder if you've ever been in a serious relationship. WANine's post is by far the best in this thread, as he seems to understand the connection that most partners have. If you've ever been in a relationship where you truly loved your girlfriend, then you know how much it can hurt another guy to take that girl away from him. We all know attraction isn't a choice, so saying 'it's her choice in the end anyway' isn't 100% true with the knowledge we have. It's up to us to use that knowledge with respect and decency. If she has a boyfriend, ask them: 'How long have you been together?' and you'll get your first clue as to how serious the relationship is. The other clues will come from how close they are (if her boyfriend is out with her) and the amount of kino going on between them. If it's not serious, then sure, go ahead if that's what you want to do. But I would refuse to break them up altogether - there's plenty of other girls out there, just as hot, if not hotter than this girl, and single too. Why not just get with one of those instead, and prevent all chances of hurting someone's feelings?

Ultimately, it's all about your morals. I may be a pickup artist, but I have more morals when it comes to relationships than any other guy I know. That's one of the most defining things about me. Would you rather be known for your upstanding morals, or for being a man-whore who has no respect for other people's emotions?

-Silver-

[Poetry]

This is an 18-21 year old forum... I'm hard pressed to find any relationship in this demographic without having children that would be utterly crushed and lost without their "significant other." Given the amount of cheating, partying, and random acts of bullshit in this age group -- nothing is ever set in stone.

Yes, I have been in LTRs, and I've also had my g/f's leave me for someone else. It's a part of life, and inevitably part of the game as well. Unless you plan on using the MM for finding the ONE and stop everything else, you can't expect to run LTRs OR mLTRs without someone leaving eventually. This is where you have to prioritize what you want out of this.

With the tools we have, we could keep a woman or use a woman -- it's ultimately up to the PUA in question; however, to try and sway opinion with statements like "would you rather be a man-whore or someone with morals," you have to realize that the basis of the MM is to get out there and have fun, develop a skill, better yourself. If sleeping around is what you want to do, then do it. If you want to be the upstanding citizen, then be the best upstanding citizen you can be.

It's all up the the PUA -- and better to not pass judgement than to offer opinion. I've never been a fan of "eye for an eye," but in the end, the only person the PUA should aim to please is himself. When it comes time to settle down, if he does, then by all means please your LTR / Significant other like you should. In the meantime, do what makes you happiest.

[fishbulb]

Meeting girls with boyfriends?... what does any1 think? if u find out a girl has a b/f should u just back off and go for her friends? or do u think u would just go for it and try to get her anyways?
Take your conscience seriously. If you steal another guy's girl you will be punished by your own guilt, if not by him hurting you.

If sleeping around is what you want to do, then do it. If you want to be the upstanding citizen, then be the best upstanding citizen you can be.

This is not about sleeping around. This is about hurting another person, and given the number of single girls out there it's just unneccessary.

[Poetry]

Then as I said -- it's up to the PUA in question. Everyone has a different perception of things.

[David24]

I agree with Poetry!
I have a GF, and everytime some guy or guys hit on her I explain to them that theyre on wrong terretory(then they back off), and shes fine with tht, but she also knows tht I like seeing other women, something I do, but i guess she does too:P
so hitting on a girl with a bf is not something bad to do, because if she doesnt mention him, or if shes with him and starts ignoring him then youre free to play as loong as the dude is not twice youre size and on steriods:P hehe

Ive stolen Gf from guys a couple of times once i had my front tooth broken from the guy, but I still ended up with the girl since he was so nice and DLV on himself by hitting me.

Best tactic i use is befriend them both, ignore girl for awhile, and then amog the shit out of the guy to then make the girl join me for a drink.... works 3-4 times out of ten tries...

:)

[WANine]

I guess those of you who think it's okay to steal a girlfriend just don't get it. I mean, it's not like you were planning to leave her alone if she mentioned a boyfriend, infact, 99% of you that think it's okay to game a girl with a boyfriend she likes would come to these forums and make a thread saying "Boyfriend destroyer didn't work on HB8... what did I do wrong?", which obviously implies that don't know why you couldn't game her to the point where she would leave her boyfriend.

That's why it's called being a dick.

Sorry if this post doesn't make sense, I'm pretty tired. What I'm trying to say is those of you who claim that it's okay if the girlfriend leaves the bf for you are completely wrong, because you're doing things intentionally to try to get her to leave the bf. Some of you just must not get it, or some of you must be upset because it happened to you, but like I said earlier, if anyone tried that around my girlfriend while I was there, you probably wouldn't ever get to use your nuts again.


(Prophet I'm not flaming, just giving my honest opinion, don't ban me for this post ;) )

[fishbulb]

Then as I said -- it's up to the PUA in question. Everyone has a different perception of things.
Anybody who feels the need to steal somebody else's girl when there are SO many other girls to choose from is clearly coming from a position of scarcity.

When you find the mindset of abundance and no longer harbour feelings of revenge for the jocks who bullied you in highschool, you won't think it's ok. In fact you'll see it for what it is- depraved and pathetic.

[Poetry]

Anybody who feels the need to steal somebody else's girl when there are SO many other girls to choose from is clearly coming from a position of scarcity.

When you find the mindset of abundance and no longer harbour feelings of revenge for the jocks who bullied you in highschool, you won't think it's ok. In fact you'll see it for what it is- depraved and pathetic.

Fact is, if I don't know about the boyfriend, and she doesn't say anything until AFTER the hookup or etc -- I won't feel guilty at all. I'm speaking from a position of NOT knowing and her not telling, rather than "Hm, I wonder if I can break these up for personal amusement?"

Sure, there are people out there who will do the shit on purpose for past transgressions -- I myself am not one of them; however, though my stance on the subject may be different, I'm not going to subject a specific individual for judgment.

[-Silver-]

Fact is, if I don't know about the boyfriend, and she doesn't say anything until AFTER the hookup or etc -- I won't feel guilty at all.

Sure, and I wouldn't hold that against you. But that's not what this thread is about is it? It's about if you know she has a boyfriend, do you go for it anyway? And the fact is I have no respect for anyone that thinks it's ok to go ahead and take that girl away, leaving her boyfriend to eat your dust. Sure, if she's not happy with her boyfriend and is likely to break-up with him soon anyway, then I don't see a problem with speeding up that process. But saying 'this is an under 21 forum, and all relationships end up failing at that age' is just plain retarded. The vast majority of relationships end up failing these days, even when marriage is a part of them. If the couple is happy in the relationship they are in, then leave them happy! Yes, you may be able to make that girl happy, but the guy is going to suffer. And any of you that know how much it hurts to lose a loved one, would be incredibly heartless to will that pain upon someone. Take a look at yourselves for christ's sake. This community is about improving yourself, and making yourself a better person! Does breaking up couples really meet that criteria?

You can say it all depends on the PUA ultimately, and it does. But it's having morals like these that separate the best, most respectable PUAs, from the low, uncaring PUAs. You're supposed to be making yourself alpha - so what type of guy appeals to you the most? The one that respects other couples and appreciates when they are happy, being happy for them in return. Or the one that views girls as nothing but sex-objects, and their caring boyfriends as nothing but obstacles? Extremes? Perhaps. But that should make it a hell of a lot clearer for you. Poetry and David24, go fix yourselves.

-Silver-

[Poetry]

I wouldn't come out and tell someone to fix themselves, and if you noticed -- I never said all of them fail at this age; what I stated, was that at that particular age if someone leaves a relationship they won't utterly break down "the sky is falling" scenario as if they were married for twenty years and divorced.

I agree with your take on morals and standards, and I also agree on the fact that the respectable PUAs can distinguish where the line is. I myself have always been the "nice guy" and ultimately it shows, even in PU; also, I find people who purposely break up couples for no justified reason disheartening and bad for the community -- as there are definitly greater uses for our skills.

Again, as I said, If I don't KNOW about it -- it's not my issue; however, should I deem the situation calls for it, I will eject immediately -- since starting trouble is bad for ANY agenda.

*EDIT -- I re-read your post and it said "If you know about losing a loved one." -- and I'm glad you said that. The reason why I DO NOT do what we are discussing (if I'm knowledgeable about her and him) is because the second relationship I had before finding the community, my "best friend" at the time went behind my back and cheated with her; not only that, she left me and began dating him. Right now I'm in a position to laugh at them and let them be, and I do. She wanted to stay friends, but it would have caused trouble for everyone so I was the one who ejected and let them have their life -- though losing a good friend and an ex. So you see, I DO see where you're coming from, and agree 100%

I appreciate your response, and it's refreshing to know people with standards and morals in the community -- rather than being Artists and Players, most just want to be 'Playas.'

Take it easy.

[WANine]

Round 1:

Fact is, if I don't know about the boyfriend, and she doesn't say anything until AFTER the hookup or etc -- I won't feel guilty at all. I'm speaking from a position of NOT knowing and her not telling, rather than "Hm, I wonder if I can break these up for personal amusement?"

I have and will continue to game women with 'boyfriends.' I have a simple list why as well:


It's a boyfriend, not a husband -- until there's a ring, it's never THAT serious.
Most relationships get monotonous after the 'honeymoon' stage, if I game her and she goes along, she was LOOKING for a change.
Who am I to shove this woman away from being happy?


if she says laaaaater on down the road, "oh, I uhm, am kind of seeing someone." she's already yours, and continue to game.

Remember, the words "I'm seeing someone" mean absolutely jack-shit if she's out with you and not them. Just be sure to create attraction and follow the method, else you end up in the friends zone and desperately try to bash her "boyfriend," which creates negative emotion for you, and positive for him since she'll defend him.

Round 2:


Sure, there are people out there who will do the shit on purpose for past transgressions -- I myself am not one of them; however, though my stance on the subject may be different, I'm not going to subject a specific individual for judgment.

Yes, I have been in LTRs, and I've also had my g/f's leave me for someone else. It's a part of life, and inevitably part of the game as well.

:rolleyes:


I'd like to add something though. You say "if she's out with you, not him, keep gaming" as though she called you up and wanted to hang out that night, when in reality she might have just been having a girls night out and didn't want to meet anyone until you came up out of the blue and said "excuse me I need a quick girls opinion on this". Looks like you're wrong there cowboy.

Another thing that drives me nuts is when you say, "it's not serious unless there's a ring on her finger". How do you expect any relationship to make it to marriage if any PUA can come and break the bond that a gf has with her bf using methods rooted in psychology to break that bond? NO relationship will even get the chance to make it to marriage or to turn into something that you deem "serious" if people like you are going around and hitting on girls with boyfriends. I mean, every boyfriend and girlfriend that you break up have the potential to be something serious (assuming you're not hitting on girls that are < 18, but if you are, I think this is the wrong forum for you), but because of YOU they never make it to that stage.

[stolen crown]

This shit is not fucking kryptonite man! No guy on here bats 1000 on pickups why? Because there are other factors involved if the girl wants to cheat she will cheat wether it is you or some other guy...you might as well put that notch in your bedpost then someone else get it...and frankly on the few occasions I have slept with Seriously Dating, Engaged, Married women I have always hoped that I would get caught...not because I need the karma or anything just so her man knows she is a slut.

[WANine]

I have slept with Seriously Dating, Engaged, Married women I have always hoped that I would get caught...not because I need the karma or anything just so her man knows she is a slut.

So you only hook sluts?

[fishbulb]

Hahaha, great post at the top of this page WANine.

This shit is not fucking kryptonite man! No guy on here bats 1000 on pickups why? Because there are other factors involved if the girl wants to cheat she will cheat wether it is you or some other guy...you might as well put that notch in your bedpost then someone else get it...and frankly on the few occasions I have slept with Seriously Dating, Engaged, Married women I have always hoped that I would get caught...not because I need the karma or anything just so her man knows she is a slut.
A woman can be taken advantage of very easily when she is in a suggestible state. This is the nature of most women. They make decisions based on how they are feeling at the time and it's not always logical. We are responsible.

[Poetry]

You misunderstood me, but thanks for the uplifting post.

Most of what I said as far as what SHE says about b/f's was coming straight from the VAH by the way, I suppose Mystery should have left that out.

[WANine]

You misunderstood me, but thanks for the uplifting post.

Most of what I said as far as what SHE says about b/f's was coming straight from the VAH by the way, I suppose Mystery should have left that out.

The VAH isn't a bible and it doesn't have all the answers, sometimes good judgement comes into play too. Hate to break it to ya.

I'm sure I'm taking this thread pretty harshly, but I have a girlfriend that I really care about (she feels the same way, yet we're both 18 - 21 zomg wtf), and I would be way upset if some dude used routines on her that were proven to make her want to sleep with him.

But then again I'd probably kick his ass 7 ways from sunday if I so much as spotted him trying MM/SSd/RSD on her and he didn't stop when I told him to back off.

[Poetry]

The VAH isn't a bible and it doesn't have all the answers, sometimes good judgement comes into play too. Hate to break it to ya.

I'm sure I'm taking this thread pretty harshly, but I have a girlfriend that I really care about (she feels the same way, yet we're both 18 - 21 zomg wtf), and I would be way upset if some dude used routines on her that were proven to make her want to sleep with him.

But then again I'd probably kick his ass 7 ways from sunday if I so much as spotted him trying MM/SSd/RSD on her and he didn't stop when I told him to back off.

As you should.

[oscarkool2]

there is nothing wrong with talking to your GF. If she wants to kiss me, im sorry. all i did was talk to her. stop saying its wrong because there is NOTHING WRONG WITH TALKING TO ANY WOMAN, unless her bf comes and points a gun at you.

[WANine]

there is nothing wrong with talking to your GF. If she wants to kiss me, im sorry. all i did was talk to her. stop saying its wrong because there is NOTHING WRONG WITH TALKING TO ANY WOMAN, unless her bf comes and points a gun at you.

There is if your intention is to pick her up. I don't really care what sleazy opinion you hold, the fact of the matter is if you're trying for more than just friendly conversation, and you know the girl has a boyfriend, it's wrong, and you better believe you're going to get knocked around if you hit on her in front of her boyfriend.

[oscarkool2]

um no its not wrong to like women and try to pick up on them. its responses like this that make me wonder what type of retards are coming into this community. oh well. Look, the fact of the matter is, when im talking to her and she never tells me she has a boyfriend, what the fuck do you expect??? Of course im gonna attempt to seduce her if i like her. If i know she has a boyfriend and i know the guy and like him, i wont pick her up. If i dont like him, then hell yea i will and ill knock him out too if he tries to stop me.

[WANine]

responses like this that make me wonder what type of retards are coming into this community.

People with morals are retards; good game chief, I think you've got it nailed down. The retards coming into this community are the same retards who sit in front of their computers and play WoW all day long because their lives are so terrible that the only way they can feel better about themselves is by living in fantasy land 18 hours a day, but you know that first-hand, don't you Jeff (lol you're 27 and you play WoW)?

oh well. Look, the fact of the matter is, when im talking to her and she never tells me she has a boyfriend, what the fuck do you expect??? Of course im gonna attempt to seduce her if i like her.

mayb u shud lern sum reeding comprehension. Re-read the thread, over and over again. We've stated at least 5 times that we're only talking about if the girl mentions having a boyfriend. Obviously if she doesn't mention it there's no way to know and you can't be held accountable. You must be slow.

If i know she has a boyfriend and i know the guy and like him, i wont pick her up. If i dont like him, then hell yea i will and ill knock him out too if he tries to stop me.

lol whatever you say oscarkoooooooldude!!! (very cool to spell 'cool' with a 'k', by the way). If it was me with my girlfriend, I'd kick your teeth in and put my dick in your mouth ;), and I'm sure that 99% of the guys on here with gf's would do the same.

[Eyez]

Now that I've been practicing the "art",I've been being flirty with all girls. With
boyfriends and all. The other day I noticed it. I was at the gym being flirty,and than looked around and her boyfriend is looking at me defensive. What sucks,is I think the dude is a pro boxer. So I got in the mode,and wasn't worried about anything else. The guy is probably going to eye me,every time I'm at the gym. But I'm flirty with all girls,because you never know if they have a friend they may feel fit for you.

[Poetry]

Now that I've been practicing the "art",I've been being flirty with all girls. With
boyfriends and all. The other day I noticed it. I was at the gym being flirty,and than looked around and her boyfriend is looking at me defensive. What sucks,is I think the dude is a pro boxer. So I got in the mode,and wasn't worried about anything else. The guy is probably going to eye me,every time I'm at the gym. But I'm flirty with all girls,because you never know if they have a friend they may feel fit for you.

Which is why you don't game the target before controlling the set. If they have a bf, and you've been ignoring her, giving subtle negs, etc -- when you ask "how do you two know each other?" and they say they're going out with one another -- then you just made a new bud without ever endangering your health ;)

[Eyez]

Which is why you don't game the target before controlling the set. If they have a bf, and you've been ignoring her, giving subtle negs, etc -- when you ask "how do you two know each other?" and they say they're going out with one another -- then you just made a new bud without ever endangering your health ;)

No see the thing is,she was working,and her boyfriend was on the opposite side of the gym.

I was there making eye contact,and showing confidence. And looking at her the whole time. Then I turn to the left,and her boyfriend is staring at me like I'm King Leonidas,and he's a persian soldier.

But if he was there,I'd disarm him. I just didn't have the chance. If I see him at the gym today before I go to the club. I'll disarm him for the future.

"So you're a boxer?"

Yea

"Cool" "Yea my buddy was interested in that,but I know you have to be dedicated."

Yea

"How long have you been boxing?"

Years

"Oh cool!" "Alright bro,I'm going to go work out,and I'll check you later"

*PS I've disarmed most of the guys in my gym because my gym workers consist of mostly woman.So I want less "traffic",if you will.*

[Poetry]

Then keep on gaming mi amigo.

[Eyez]

Thanks brother.

You do the same.