Open The Lounge

[Affection]

I have fun 3some pics/LR++s that I want to post... ;)

~~Affection

[Priest]

That's awesome... but here's the deal... MM owns the file containing all the existing Lounge members. VA cannot add existing members to the Lounge without that information. Until this legal battle is over, don't hold your breath.

-Priest-

[Greystoke]

I have fun 3some pics/LR++s that I want to post... ;)

~~Affection

What prevents you from posting them here? too shy?

[Affection]

No. Between Matador, Lovedrop, and Mystery, they know everyone that was in the old Lounge.


That's awesome... but here's the deal... MM owns the file containing all the existing Lounge members. VA cannot add existing members to the Lounge without that information. Until this legal battle is over, don't hold your breath.


~~Affection

[Affection]

See my LRs on mASF and let me know if that qualifies as shy. :)


What prevents you from posting them here? too shy?


~~Affection

[Devious]

I have things I would like to post as well.

Lets get the lounge going.

~d

[Vision]

What's twelve inches long and white?

[Dynamic]

What's twelve inches long and white?


Nothing!

What's twelve inches long and black?

Well, have you guys met my friend Garth?

(This is an inside joke, but some of you will get it, for others, garth is a 5'9 big black bodybuilder from Texas that we used to introduce into set this way, funny shit)

Love,
Dynamic

[Greystoke]

I have things I would like to post as well.

Lets get the lounge going.

~d

Why do you need the lounge?

[DrSwift]

Why do you need the lounge?

Simply put you don't but many people feel there's value in having a 'private' place to learn to handle this part of their lives.

Also for those out there who are entirely routine based many have a phobia that their techniques will be stolen (quite valid actually if it's really good).

Having said that since I transitioned to a more Jeckyll/Juggler style I've become less hung up on this.

I don't mind when the lounge gets re-opened.

As for starting it up again. There are a good number of people who were known to be members that could be added.

How do you plan on opperating the new 'Lounge' Erik? Only for people who have attended VA workshops and former lounge members (which of course makes it a course selling point)? or are you planning to allow people to be invited to join it meritoriously?

[Cedar]

Why do you need the lounge?

The lounge only allows individuals able to dedicate the time and resources for an in field bootcamp or seminar. Theoretically, it means a higher caliber of individuals than a public forum. No offense to those present, but it reduces n00bs.

[HUGE AL]

And KJ's who don't go out in the field... :)

[Cedar]

And KJ's who don't go out in the field... :)

Versus KJs that DO go out in field *cough* Cedar *Cough*

[Yoda]

Versus KJ's who don't know what KJ stands for. :confused:

[Mister E]

Versus KJ's who don't know what KJ stands for. :confused:

You'd really dont want to be a KJ.

[Dynamic]

Versus KJs that DO go out in field *cough* Cedar *Cough*

Holy shit, the tree is here!

Love,
Dynamic

[HUGE AL]

OH, now we KNOW the real Dynamic is on here!

Not to mention, the double signature...when will this boy ever learn to use vBulletin? :)

[DrSwift]

Agreed cedar on the fact that it does tend to weed out the inactive ones and the true KJ's - and provides a place for discussion without constantly reitterating 'basics'.

Versus KJs that DO go out in field *cough* Cedar *Cough*

but I don't agree with that statement.

I have the greatest respect for all guys who actively head out to handle this area of their lives. Regardless of skill.

What I don't have respect for is people who pretend to be something they're not for reasons of ego. The field weeds out these people. All they need to say is simple 'I am what I am. I do not wish to be thought of as anything more or anything less'.

Even when we've got a newbie with a really bad case of AA out with us he has my absolute and unconditional respect.

Why?

Because that guy is terrified of this.

Dude he has to be a GIANT of courage; a truely brave and noble person to actually put himself through that.

As my good friend and wingman DrJekyll once said:

What these guys are doing is the equivilant of a bunch of guys who were terrified of heights going SKYDIVING every night.

Show me the person who will swollow his Ego. Head out in the field. Accept criticism and feedback then grow and change. The person who will confront his fear of rejection head on and come out the other side. Show me this person and i'll show you a man.

Swift.

[Bil]

Agreed cedar on the fact that it does tend to weed out the inactive ones and the true KJ's - and provides a place for discussion without constantly reitterating 'basics'.



but I don't agree with that statement.

I have the greatest respect for all guys who actively head out to handle this area of their lives. Regardless of skill.

What I don't have respect for is people who pretend to be something they're not for reasons of ego. The field weeds out these people. All they need to say is simple 'I am what I am. I do not wish to be thought of as anything more or anything less'.

Even when we've got a newbie with a really bad case of AA out with us he has my absolute and unconditional respect.

Why?

Because that guy is terrified of this.

Dude he has to be a GIANT of courage; a truely brave and noble person to actually put himself through that.

As my good friend and wingman DrJekyll once said:



Show me the person who will swollow his Ego. Head out in the field. Accept criticism and feedback then grow and change. The person who will confront his fear of rejection head on and come out the other side. Show me this person and i'll show you a man.

Swift.

I would have to agree with DrSwift 100%, bootcamp or not going out there and doing this, is something many people would/will never do.

But i do find the way they are asking people to prove they are lounge members elsewhere slightly strange.

[Priest]

Agreed cedar on the fact that it does tend to weed out the inactive ones and the true KJ's - and provides a place for discussion without constantly reitterating 'basics'.



but I don't agree with that statement.

I have the greatest respect for all guys who actively head out to handle this area of their lives. Regardless of skill.

What I don't have respect for is people who pretend to be something they're not for reasons of ego. The field weeds out these people. All they need to say is simple 'I am what I am. I do not wish to be thought of as anything more or anything less'.

Even when we've got a newbie with a really bad case of AA out with us he has my absolute and unconditional respect.

Why?

Because that guy is terrified of this.

Dude he has to be a GIANT of courage; a truely brave and noble person to actually put himself through that.

As my good friend and wingman DrJekyll once said:



Show me the person who will swollow his Ego. Head out in the field. Accept criticism and feedback then grow and change. The person who will confront his fear of rejection head on and come out the other side. Show me this person and i'll show you a man.

Swift.

I would have to agree with DrSwift 100%, bootcamp or not going out there and doing this, is something many people would/will never do.

But i do find the way they are asking people to prove they are lounge members elsewhere slightly strange.

Both of you misunderstood what Cedar was trying to say... When he said KJ's that DO go out in field... he was talking about himself. Cedar's job allows him a lot of time to post valuable advice on the Lounge. His advice takes time to type... hence the term KJ. Then at night he goes in field. Tonight he headed out to a major party in his home town. The good guys are KJ's who go out in field. They encounter a new experiance, post it on the Lounge and next time they know what how to handle it.

The KJ's that Huge AL and Cedar were speaking negatively of are the ones who contribute to much of the White Noise on these public Forums. They ask questions that they should already know the answers to. That is why MM started posting "The Worst of the Forum" section.

The quality of information, intelligent questions, and valuable advice is exponetially more rampant on the Lounge. Rarely do we get a stupid question on the Lounge. If we do, it is from a guy who just got out of Boot and the problem corrects itself in a short amount of time. That is why people on this Forum are asking that the Lounge be opened up.

Here on the Forum you have dumb asses going around and creating false Mystery, TD, and Style profile's... WTF? Who are you people? Get off my planet!!!!

That's it, I'm done ranting now :D

-Priest-

[Vincent Chase]

I think I understand why Affection wouldn't post pictures on a public forum.

He IS, shy. The Lounge would allow him to put of pictures of the girls and detail this and that and allow him to stroke himself and be proud about his accomplishments, with a much lower risk of someone who would use the info to damage him or to someone who would find the materials detrimental to their self and state.

Now, i'm not trying to be negative here (It's coming off that way, i'm just not a big fan of LRs) so don't any of you go bitching to mommy.


There's a list of reason pro and con, in regards to "Lounges." The fact that they exist is a success on their part, to argue otherwise is purposeless. Wait it out and they'll get it going when they get it going.

[Affection]

Dude, clearly you misunderstand. I invite people to live with me and meet me and all my girls in person -- I enjoy having an "open source" approach to my game. I simply don't post pictures on public forums out of concerns, both morally and legally, for the privacy of the girls.


I think I understand why Affection wouldn't post pictures on a public forum.

He IS, shy. The Lounge would allow him to put of pictures of the girls and detail this and that and allow him to stroke himself and be proud about his accomplishments, with a much lower risk of someone who would use the info to damage him or to someone who would find the materials detrimental to their self and state.


~~Affection

[DrSwift]

I think I understand why Affection wouldn't post pictures on a public forum.

He IS, shy. The Lounge would allow him to put of pictures of the girls and detail this and that and allow him to stroke himself and be proud about his accomplishments, with a much lower risk of someone who would use the info to damage him or to someone who would find the materials detrimental to their self and state.

Now, i'm not trying to be negative here (It's coming off that way, i'm just not a big fan of LRs) so don't any of you go bitching to mommy.


There's a list of reason pro and con, in regards to "Lounges." The fact that they exist is a success on their part, to argue otherwise is purposeless. Wait it out and they'll get it going when they get it going.



Whether Vincent understands wat you meant affection or not he is, again, absolutely on the money in a more general sense even if it doesn't apply to you. While there are many of us that would tell anyone and everyone what they do and not give a damn (as it should be) there are people who don't feel like that. A private environment caters for that. That's why we have a 'Lair Covenant' on the Edinburgh lair with a section full of 'articles of privecy'. It's why signups are admin approved. Some people feel like this and protecting them is important.

I agree with what you're saying about not being a big fan of LR's. It can build ego in many people. Ego is your enemy. Ego sets you up for a fall. There are correct reasons for field reporting. There are also times when it can end up being a form of 'cyber approval seaking'. You can get all the good reasons you want through posting your FR up in a small environment (eg for Edinburgers EL/Lair Lounge or Mystery's Lounge for folks on here).

I always feel it's good to ask yourself 'why am I field reporting this?' If the reason is you want help, feedback, ideas, criticism or advice or indeed if you feel there is something that other people could gain from it then it's a go ahead. Else you may want to think twice about why you're reporting.

Swift.

[Priest]

Ok... I am showing a big yellow check mark next to the "Lounge" indicating that it is up and running. I am also showing 4 new threads and 14 replies... but I still can't log in. Am I the only one with this problem? What is going on?

-Priest-

[obie]

VA has had bootcamps already and allowed those students in.

[Cedar]

Did anyone else get the instructions for access to the private lounge?

Apparently, I'm being asked for my Lounge username and password. Someone will logon to my account to verify I have access before letting me on the private lounge here.....

Seriously? How about I send a screen shot from the lounge with my email address showing?

[Devious]

Did anyone else get the instructions for access to the private lounge?

Apparently, I'm being asked for my Lounge username and password. Someone will logon to my account to verify I have access before letting me on the private lounge here.....

Seriously? How about I send a screen shot from the lounge with my email address showing?

Edited.

Love,
~d

[Vincent Chase]

I simply don't post pictures on public forums out of concerns, both morally and legally, for the privacy of the girls.

Is essentially:

The Lounge would allow him to put of pictures of the girls and details of this and that, all with a much lower risk of someone finding the material who would use the info to damage him or to someone who would find the materials detrimental to their self and/or state.

I understand exactly the reasoning, moral and legal reasons. Moral reason would be if someone found the materials and was damaged by it, OR used it to damage someone else, intentionally or un-intentionally. This could ALSO be damaging to you if they found out, not just the social and moral implication but the legal repercussions could also be damaging to you. AND SOOOOOOO, yes, I understand what you meant and I sympathize with you, i'm not attempting to invalidate your points at all, I was just trying to tell the people that cannot conceptualize why someone might want to be able to use the lounge.

Really quick, I also want to say that even though I used your name, I didn't really mean YOU dude, sorry for that, that was an error on my behalf. I was being general and instead it seemed like a response, or some sort of attack on you. Not at all though, man. Just had to get that off my chest.

Tootles, y'all.

[obie]

So we have to risk getting kicked out of the other lounge in order to join this lounge?

Is that how this shit is gonna be?

[gamble]

My suggestion is to verify members a different way. The current way is a bannable offense as mentioned by Obie. There has to be another way guys.

[Cedar]

Posted without permission from the MM Lounge.

The Lounge is a private message board and therefore no text should be coppied or reposted outside of The Lounge. Any ideas or pictures, personal or professional, must remain in the lounge and should not be publicly expressed. Your access to The Lounge is private and in an effort to keep The Lounge secure your username and password should not be given out to ANYONE other than your self. Violation of these policies is grounds for permanent termination of your lounge access.



The current method chosen by VenutianArts.com to verify current lounge membership is a bannable offense. I would encourage existing Lounge members NOT to follow the venutianarts.com procedure of supplying your username and password. VenutianArts.com can either find another way to verify membership, or make nice with MM.

I see no reason lounge members need to be put in a bannable situation. C'mon. Lovedrop. Matador. You're technical people. You know better than to endorse this shit.

[Levo]

All they really have to do is email you with a string of characters, and have you put that string somewhere in your lounge profile. It can be a different string for every person.

They just need 1 account with access to the old lounge to log on and veryify its there.

This is pretty common stuff. The fact that they are insisting on taking our passwords throws up all kinds of red flags.

[Vincent Chase]

All they really have to do is email you with a string of characters, and have you put that string somewhere in your lounge profile. It can be a different string for every person.

They just need 1 account with access to the old lounge to log on and veryify its there.

This is pretty common stuff. The fact that they are insisting on taking our passwords throws up all kinds of red flags.

This a great idea Levo! PM Matador, LD and whomever else you care to and detail this to them.

[DrSwift]

Actually that was a very clever solution Levo. :)

Oh and this is the third lounge by my counting. The first one being Underscore, the second one being the mm.com one and now this one.

Swift.

[Visc]

Everyone seems to be skirting around the issue.

The lounge isn't open to everyone for a reason. It is open to people that have done bootcamps so that they know quality guys are in there, not all new aPUAs. I think it is a good system, maybe they even let in guys that have proven themselves through stories and advice, but until that happens keep those that don't deserve it out. If you have a good story share the story, pics aren't what it is all about (they are good, but not everything). You don't need the lounge.

[Cedar]

You don't need the lounge.

On the contrary, we do. I need a place where I will get QUALITY opinions and advice on IN-FIELD issues. A private forum of bootcamp allumni is MORE LIKELY to have the level of quality I'm looking for than a public forum.

[Vision]

And it always does.

[gamble]

Lounge is more quality control then anything.

[dman]

The KJ's that Huge AL and Cedar were speaking negatively of are the ones who contribute to much of the White Noise on these public Forums. They ask questions that they should already know the answers to. That is why MM started posting "The Worst of the Forum" section.Worst of was a good idea, though I felt stuff was moved over into that wrongly a bunch of times. But on a slightly lesser scale it would have a positive impact.

So we have to risk getting kicked out of the other lounge in order to join this lounge?

Is that how this shit is gonna be?IP adresses would be logged, could be dangerous because then it would be easy to ban the people who are being logged in by somebody from venusianarts.com

[dman]

Actually that was a very clever solution Levo. :)

Oh and this is the third lounge by my counting. The first one being Underscore, the second one being the mm.com one and now this one.
I'm sure there was one before underscore, before the drama with papa and tyler durden.