Me: 38. Her: 18.

[cab]

I just had to say that! I met her at a ballroom dancing class at a college and we have a lot of fun together. Cool girl. Not sure where it will go, so we'll see...

[Swan Dive]

Im 30 and 18 is like striking gold, go with it. I for sure would. Don't over think it either, that's something I would do, and then blow it. therefore take it cool and you should be ok

[JohnnyWolf]

Go for it Cab! Ask her to come over and practice some ballroom dance moves with you during the week and it will be on!

The funny thing is my cousin who is 38 as well was envious when he met my 19 year old Scandinavian girlfriend. I am 28 so it is only a 9 year difference...but in his eyes it was like my life was grand because of it.

I do have to admit that 19 year olds are extremely fun though.

[L.A. Tripp]

Cab, a lot of people look at that as something very wrong. I don't agree. She's legal. You're legal. You both like each other, so why the hell not? LOL.

[Wolfman13]

First of all kudos! :D

Second, I don't have that big of a gap but in the same ball park, 31-19. In my situation though I kind of lost physical interest once she started talking. *shrug* However I am so not one to look a gift horse in the mouth so I what I do is go out with her and her friend, parade around with them where ever. This usually gets me quite a bit of attention from the other guys. Which is still cool because this elevates me in their head and I make instant friends with them when I mention I'm not with either of them. They go off flirting with my friends leaving me in the clear for theirs.

I've done this a couple times now and it is so true that having women with you is an instant set opener. I mean.. these girls are 6's but it still works wonders. I'm a sort of moral fella so the idea of 'using' these ladies for my own purposes bothered me until I recognized that I'm taking them out for fun as well. Win all around I think.

[Alacrity]

I've done this a couple times now and it is so true that having women with you is an instant set opener. I mean.. these girls are 6's but it still works wonders. I'm a sort of moral fella so the idea of 'using' these ladies for my own purposes bothered me until I recognized that I'm taking them out for fun as well. Win all around I think.


Absolutely bro. I give my wingwomen a complete all around experience that sometimes is better than my own. Go figure. :) I make sure they get good value from me and friendship, while I get a friend and the social proof and preselction. I havent lost a wingwoman in a long time except for one that became pregnant

I'm 32 and closed and 22 year old just before christmas. The gap wasn't that bad, although listening to constant DHV's about partying kinda gets old. I mean really, I don't need to know exactly which drinks and in what order led to her puking. HAHAHA!! Women, I love em!

[Sincerelee]

One of my mainstays: Me 44, her 19. I treat her more as a kid sister than a GF. She adores me.

Another: Me 44, her 25. Now, she is a little more mature. I treat her like the beautiful woman she is.

Last night, 25 asked me, "So how old are you?"

I pulled her close to me, looked deep in her eyes and said, "I am old enough to know what I am doing, and young enough to do it as long as you can take it." She giggled then gave me a very passionate kiss.

If ever your girl does ask your age say, "My friends say you are too young and immature for me to date. We both know they are full of shit. What do you think?" It flips the test on her to make her qualify to you, not the other way around.

[RAMM]

I dunno where you live but here in italy 18 yrs old girls are freaking boring.. most of them at least.. and I've just been 23 for 3 months.

When I was 19 I was dating this girl who was 27 and became addicted with more mature women, so last year I met a 36 yrs old girl and it didn't work out, and then I've been with a 33 yrs old one which did work and I still hear from her often.

I'd only be with an 18 yr old if she were extremely sexually confident and experienced... which is rare..

But anyway, I agree that if you want it go for it!

[L.A. Tripp]

I pulled her close to me, looked deep in her eyes and said, "I am old enough to know what I am doing, and young enough to do it as long as you can take it." She giggled then gave me a very passionate kiss.

If ever your girl does ask your age say, "My friends say you are too young and immature for me to date. We both know they are full of shit. What do you think?" It flips the test on her to make her qualify to you, not the other way around.

Awesome, on both.

[Astaire]

I feel a little out of place commenting on this with all the heavy hitters in hear but I am a dance instructor and I teach ballroom, swing and latin and normally in these dance communities there are alot of older creepy guys trying to pick up on the young girls. If she has been dancing socially at all I'm sure she has experienced these guys. Its not really advice just a word of caution. Also if your a good lead the creeper factor as we call it goes down substantially.

[Sincerelee]

Astaire, you need to change your viewpoint. Some day, you will be the older man, and want the same age of women. The creepy frame you are building for others now, you will need to deal with for yourself.

On the other hand, creepy knows no age. I know 25 yo creepers and 55yo PUAs.

[Astaire]

i think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make there. In the ballroom community there are alot of men who are specifically there to hit on women and I do not have a problem with that at all. There is a stereotype in the community and alot of stereotypes are base off something real. Alot of men are socialy inept and have a big problem talking to women so they start dancing becuase opening in a dance venue with "would you like to dance" and no girl will say no appeals to them. Once the girl says yes and the dance is over the guy follows her around the dance floor. The plain fact is that alot of older men who haven't had access to social dynamics do this and alot of younger men do as well. The women in the ballroom community are much more closed off from being hit on by older men becuase of this reason. On the other hand I know alot of older men who are amazing dancers that pick up women like nothing.

[L.A. Tripp]

So, basically, you see the AFC's and the PUA's and the women and how they handle the extra attention from AFC's and the different dynamic from PUA's or naturals, all within your microcosm of a dance class. Pretty cool when you think about it ;)

Maybe step in and help the women to blow off the AFC's . . . then show them there's a better way . . .

[Astaire]

Oh dude I should walk in there with a superman cape on for all the women that I have to save on a nightly basis. Its sad to say but some of them I have to becuase they are very rough dancers and will actually hurt the women without meaning to of course

[L.A. Tripp]

Oh dude I should walk in there with a superman cape on for all the women that I have to save on a nightly basis. Its sad to say but some of them I have to becuase they are very rough dancers and will actually hurt the women without meaning to of course

All a part of their learning I suppose. Hopefully they get something out of it.

[Rodehard]

All a part of their learning I suppose. Hopefully they get something out of it.

Probably not kids don't listen.

[Rodehard]

I just had to say that! I met her at a ballroom dancing class at a college and we have a lot of fun together. Cool girl. Not sure where it will go, so we'll see...

One thing to consider is you are running game in a tiny target environment. If she labels you as a creep, all the women there will do so too. Its like the posts talking about gaming at the gym. All the HB10's work out in the same area, they are interconnected, and they gossip. If one of them labels you as an jerk, they all will. High risk vs. minimal reward not worth it.

It does not matter if you and she are OK with it, the rest of the environment will label you a pedophile and that will screw you. Regardless of how secure you are in "who you are' and the relationship, there will be major backlash. Don't kids yourself, a 30 year old and an 18 year old will not get married and live happily ever after. It is going to be a short term fling. When it is over do you want to have the environment say "he is that pedophile" who takes advantage of 18 year olds, OR he is that guy that helped her get her life in order.

My male friends used to give me a great deal of grief because I do not do "friends with benefits". I have a close knit group of female friends, models, actresses, bikini models etc. who are HB9+ and I never close them. This may seem like a waste of time, but it is an investment.

A few months ago I was at at citizenship party for one of these women.(she became a citizen of the US). One year before she and I met she had broken up with a guy she dated for 4 years. She was still letting him pull her strings and she was miserable. I showed her this Anthony Robbins technique, and her ex lost his power over her immediately. The effect of this was her giving me DHV's to her HB9+ co-workers, I could not have come close to on my own.

In a short time dozens of her model, actress, bikini models etc. co-workers were hearing about the great guy she was roommates with. In no time flat the HB10 environment on South Beach had me pegged as uber Prince Charming.

To give an example I have given before, at the party to celebrate her citizenship, she found an old photo of herself from before me met. She started bawling and spent 30 mions telling a room full of women other men toss off to photos of, how I was the definition of the perfect guy and how every area of her life was perfect, including her husband,because of what she learned from me. In the last 6 months, I must have f'closed 20 women from that event alone. I go to clubs and there are always women of amazing beauty who know me, interrupting sets to flirt with me. (jealousy kicks in for the target).

The point is in any target environment you have to be aware of the whole picture. On the positive or negative side, the story will grow and become distorted. Do you want to be the creep who is 30 and dating 16 year olds, or the man who is great with kids. Believe it or not the latter will give you much more action than the former.

[Swan Dive]

RH

all of that is just flat out silly. young women rock thats that. thread closed

[L.A. Tripp]

You both have good points. Young women rock . . . and a hot social circle can open many doors as well.

[Rodehard]

RH

all of that is just flat out silly. young women rock thats that. thread closed

I agree totally. That is why I close women who are are half my age.

However as Mystery points out in his books and classes, any group of HBs is a select group. If a man approaches one of the women in that group and conveys a low S & R value, they other women in that 'tribe" learn about it and the man is no longer seen to have any S & R value. No S & R value means you are not getting the HB's.

When you are 38 and you date an 18 year old, there is a stigma attached by the "tribe" that you do not have if you are both older. Add in a lack of maturity and experience in relationship dynamics and it it very high risk low reward game.

When I first introduced one of my wings to my "tribe" someone asked he how old she was. She is from Colombia and looks younger than she is, so I jokingly said 19. There was a visible rejection by the group equivalent to disgust. I immediately caught the change in everyone demeanor and said Shes 29.

Ignore the "tribe" at your own peril.

[RAMM]

This is like if a 30 ye old experienced girl would say "I like 18 yr old unexperienced needy afc guys"...

Nothing beats older girls to me ^_^

[Rodehard]

This is like if a 30 ye old experienced girl would say "I like 18 yr old unexperienced needy afc guys"...

Nothing beats older girls to me ^_^

Speaking of... I know an AFC who once bragged the had gotten a blowjob from a 55 year old woman at a bar. He was like 22ish. He said she took out her dentures to do it. What is sad is the guy was serious.

[Sincerelee]

At least she learned the "No teeth" rule.

[RAMM]

hahaha no no I wouldn't go over 36, and they must look really young if they're 36.. The look that I like is somewhere between 25 and 27, but a lot of older girls still look like that :)

[Rodehard]

Another problem with young girls , if she lies about her age, you will see her again in 15 to 20. I now a guy who was closing a 21 year old in her home, when her dad caught them. She was 17 wish a fake ID. Since he was 31 at the time, (adult) and she was a minor he is now the unhappy GF in a 6 x 8 cell

The fact she had a fake ID and was at a 21 club was irrelevant. Being 31 he was supposed to "know" she was underage and got a max sentence where as an 18 year old would have gotten probation or a warning for the same thing. It was the stigma the "tribe" puts on the age gap that screwed him.

[RAMM]

Another problem with young girls , if she lies about her age, you will see her again in 15 to 20. I now a guy who was closing a 21 year old in her home, when her dad caught them. She was 17 wish a fake ID. Since he was 31 at the time, (adult) and she was a minor he is now the unhappy GF in a 6 x 8 cell

The fact she had a fake ID and was at a 21 club was irrelevant. Being 31 he was supposed to "know" she was underage and got a max sentence where as an 18 year old would have gotten probation or a warning for the same thing. It was the stigma the "tribe" puts on the age gap that screwed him.

I hear a lot about that, but that's only an issue in the states rather..
don't have that problem in europe.. legally they can have sex at 16, but no one cares if you go for less usually.. unless you find some overprotective parents ^^
I have a lot of female friends who've had way more sex than me by the age of 15.
Maybe this is also why I'm not so interested in young girls as you are there in the US.
For us it's no big deal to be with the "kiddies"..

[Rodehard]

Do you find the 18 year olds maturity level annoying? I can't stand that. Even the ones who are mature for their ages, are lagging behind say a 22 year old.

[Sincerelee]

Yeah, 18 year olds are fun to hang out with when you want to just be goofy, but they are too immature to ever want anything sexually with them.

[RAMM]

Do you find the 18 year olds maturity level annoying? I can't stand that. Even the ones who are mature for their ages, are lagging behind say a 22 year old.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.. they play harder to get, and once you do get them with too much effort(compared to more mature women) you know it wasn't worth it.

Sincerelee is right, it is fun, especially if you're a bit older.. it's fun to be babysitting sometimes.

But talking about real value, she really needs to be older.

But, I have met exceptions, younger girls than myself who are more mature than most older ones. This is 1 in 100k though..

EDITED: In my experience, more mature(and sexually mature) women are often perceived as slutty, which they arent, simply because if they like you they don't play hard to get. I'm not saying there aren't any sluts. Just that not everything that flies is a bird.

[Rodehard]

Cab, a lot of people look at that as something very wrong. I don't agree. She's legal. You're legal. You both like each other, so why the hell not? LOL.

I have an HB10 cousin. She was explaining to me that since we are not biologically related and the "in law" connection ended when my parents divorced, we would be "legal". Sorry but if I have to stop and justify it, it is wrong...


It has been my experience that 18 year olds who date 38 year olds have major issues. Anyone else find that.

Of course my 24 year old GF once complained my family thought she was to young for me, esp. my wife.

Speaking of wrong.. I have been in Wichita for a while taking care of family business. Last night I went to this club in Derby, my home town called Madrocks where I ran into a girl I used to do in high school. She is an HB9 except for he fact she is older than the women I normally close. She was dropping IOIs while we talked and she was a bit tipsy. At one point in the conversation I told her I was into 25ish South Beach Models. She kept IOIing me and telling me how her 18 year old daughter wanted to be a model. Then out of the blue she asks me if I would be interested in doing her AND her daughter.

I don't care how drunk she was, for me that was sick. What women would whore out their high school daughter to recapture their youth. The daughter goes to school with my son. I feel so sorry for her.