RSD Nation style

[Turboorav]

Hey, what do you think of RSD style? I posted a topic asking help with my DHV story there and I got 3 pages of answeres telling me basically that DHV stories are manipulating girls to like me, will fail, are needy.

Their help for me was to go out there and just talk to people (which isn't bad advice but..no tecniques?), then I got a huge quoted post about some guys post where the basic words were fck, d*ck, co*k etc.. (I guess the point was to be super alpha and not care about anything..also that there is no such thing as attraction).

I haven't got anything against RSD but..is their only advice really just talking to people, saying things that come to my head at the moment and having a ego the size of the Fat Bastard in Austin Powers movies?

[FireWorkz]

You think that is bad? Try listening to Tyler Durdens Blueprint Foundations Cd's. I couldn't get past the first 30 mins without thinking to myself, there is no value in this cd at all, he is talking in circles and all I kept thinking was why am I still listening to this? His whole focus was the original approach to pick up "mystery method" is all wrong because its from a lower value mindset. Then all I heard was different versions of him twisting concepts in pickup that already existed to make it seem new.

This coming from someone who actually liked all his writing on pick up but man I could not listen to that garbage...

Hearing him get his students to scream out YEAH YEAH like there a 3rd grade class was the moment when I turned it off...

I'm sure hes a great guy but I can see why he was portrayed so badly in The Game by Neil Strauss...

[Saul]

I managed to get through about 2 thirds of blueprint.
I had the same initial feelings about it as FireWorkz after the first few minutes, and his creep laugh and annoying attempts to excite the crowd were pathetic.
This impretion did not change through the rest of it.
However, I did take some useful inner game pointers from it. But those were just re-hashes of various eastern philosophies.
From all of his stuff, and the accounts of him attempting to model everything successful and manipulate social situations in the game I get the impression that Tyler merely wants the following, nothing else. It's not about getting people good at game, it's about manipulating a crowd and having them love you for it.
It doesn't matter how good his students actually become at game, it's how big he can make their ego so that they will boast all about RSD to others to get more people to join.
I think style's assessment that he looked like a wanna be cult leader was right.
Everything I've seen from him is just crowd pleasing crap.

[FireWorkz]

I managed to get through about 2 thirds of blueprint.
I had the same initial feelings about it as FireWorkz after the first few minutes, and his creep laugh and annoying attempts to excite the crowd were pathetic.
This impretion did not change.
However, I did take some useful inner game pointers from it. But those were just re-hashes of various eastern philosophies.
From all of his stuff, and the accounts of him attempting to model everything successful and manipulate social situations in the game I get the impression that Tyler merely wants the following, nothing. It's not about getting people good at game, it's about manipulating a crowd and having them love you for it.
It doesn't matter how good his students actually become at game, it's how big he can make their ego so that they will boast all about RSD to others to get more people to join.
I think style's assessment that he looked like a wanna be cult leader was right.
Everything I've seen from him is just crowd pleasing crap.

EXACTLY!!! I was greatly disappointed!

[Turboorav]

OMG theese RSD guys are crazy. One dude posted a topic with pics how he took his cock out in the middle of the dancefloor and peed in it..to be alpha.. WTF :S

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/144407?#comment-537647

[BBraveheart]

I can't comment on any of the posters on RSD but personally I love their material/products. They're teaching men to be natural, that there's no need to follow a step by step model to be good with women. I think anyone whose been doing this for a while would agree that this should be everyones ultimate goal, to become naturally good with women.

IMO Blueprint is fantastic. It covers so many things that nobody else talks about but can make such a huge difference on your game. But on the other hand I can understand why people don't like it. If I had watched the 20 DVD's when I first started out it would have made no sense to me and I would have taken nothing from it. Watching it now though I've taken so much value from it that has improved my game it's ridiculous, it's really whats helped me move to the next level.

I also liked Tim's flawless natural program. I think everyone out there should watch that program. Some would maybe be upset that there's no step by step system involved but again, I found there to be alot of value in it for myself.

I mean in the end everone is going to subscribe to one groups material over anothers. I've seen all the VA stuff and quite a bit of RSD stuff and for me personally I've learned more through RSD, however I have to give credit to the VA material because they layed out the foundations to my success, but in terms of advancing my game to the next level I have to give huge props to RSD.

[RaMziE]

I feel like those method are more like being more persistent until the point where they are attracted but I feel that this method won't have as great of a sucess as the mystery method does because it is more indirect and helps you avoid the girls who have a guard up and don't want to talk to any guys.

[TimBoogie]

I agree with both "methods" of game However what you said sounds like your playing not to lose aka playing it safe that will NOT get you laid at all...period! and another thing direct or indirect is irrelevant. although since ive switch my game tow.ard extra super direct. I NEVER had to worry about being stuck in the friend zone... ever.

[KoolKatPUA]

I agree with both "methods" of game However what you said sounds like your playing not to lose aka playing it safe that will NOT get you laid at all...period! and another thing direct or indirect is irrelevant. although since ive switch my game tow.ard extra super direct. I NEVER had to worry about being stuck in the friend zone... ever.

You should try stacking into some DHV routines if indirect isn't working for you. Going direct telegraphs your interest and puts women of exceptional beauty on their guard! If you want to get HBs you gotta follow the rules bro!

[TimBoogie]

The more I go direct, in different situations, the more I think it is the ABSOLUTE SHIT! It just cuts to the chase. fuck the bullshit. girls know the deal anyway.Women actually respect you more for going for what you want instead of beating around the bush. as for her putting guard up, FUCK A guard!! ALL a guard really is, is a shit test or conguence test, I proactively do things to get to make girls shit test me, because is just that a Congruence test. she just want to know if I am the man I say i am. once she realizes that its "ok you can fuck me now" lol (im simplifying o an extreme but its basically the truth) after that its just logistics

[KoolKatPUA]

The more I go direct, in different situations, the more I think it is the ABSOLUTE SHIT! It just cuts to the chase. fuck the bullshit. girls know the deal anyway.Women actually respect you more for going for what you want instead of beating around the bush. as for her putting guard up, FUCK A guard!! ALL a guard really is, is a shit test or conguence test, I proactively do things to get to make girls shit test me, because is just that a Congruence test. she just want to know if I am the man I say i am. once she realizes that its "ok you can fuck me now" lol (im simplifying o an extreme but its basically the truth) after that its just logistics

Someone needs to brush up on his MM ;) Just saying! Like Mystery said, if you want women of beauty, you can't just hit on them. You have to disqualify yourself in A2 stack, qualify, neg and build comfort. When do you do that when you go direct? Maybe that method works on ugs but sHB will immediately put up their bitch shields.

[TimBoogie]

ok I'll put it like this... If a Brad Pitt or a Tom Cruise or prince Harry was to approach a girl
Think of the frame that they have when they goe up and approach a girl.
It's like... He has everything: royalty,fame , riches, celebrity, all the girls in the world...Let's say they stepped to a girl, their would frame: "Hi, I thought you were cute... But what ELSE do you have?" just becuase I say off back my intentions or say that she is hot does not mean she has won me over in by any fucking means!......High value guys do not disqualify themselves....and true bitch sheilds aka shit tests will be up but the key is to plow thru that shit not avoid it. it all depends on what YOU value. If all you value is LOOKs then yea your probably gonna have to get fancy.

As for it ONLY working on UGS, im curious to know if you kno that from first hand experience or did you read that some where?

[KoolKatPUA]

Tim, no need to qualify yourself bro! I'm just trying to help YOU and give you my advices. It's obvious you didn't read MM or else you wouldn't even be posting the way you do. Fact is, what you're saying to do is NOT solid game. Sure it may get you a foolsmate with an ug every once in a while, but if you ever want to get to mPUA status, you gotta play the game by the rules. I know Wolf will agree with me here and so will any other PUA worth his salt. We're the ones getting the women of exceptional beauty, like Mystery. If you're happy going direct and getting girls who aren't exceptional enough to have a bitch shield, do it. By all means. But when you're ready to play the game, the GAME Style wrote about and the one MYSTERY plays, you best get used to indirect, negs, and disqualifiers. I've just given you he red pill. Use it champ.

[TimBoogie]

its cool bro.... I study all methods(Huge adam lyons fan). actually i was a hardcord MM/indirect head back in early 2007 Until, I realized it wasnt that very effective for ME. Im still trying to figure out how figure direct style doesnt work on hot women....a big percentage as moved on to a more direct style of game .....

As for how people "rate" solid game or not (foolsmate) I never got that. so what there saying is If you get 5 for 5numbercloses even get a makeout but you go home alone, and I get 4 blowouts 1 ONS/lay your game is more solid? really? huh?? good luck tho bro

-cheers

[Vatt]

I can't work out weather KoolKatPUA is a dogmatic "till the end of time" MM fanboy or a troll.

"direct not work cuz thers no negs lol"

[EmotionFlow]

VA and TMM got me into all of this selfhelp material, than I found out about RSD, which made me an approaching machine.

Personally I never used canned stuff ever, and RSD got me into vibing, which I was already doing good myself. If I had some canned material it was used like in 5% of the time, and rest was natural flow, for 95%......

Anyway, regarding RSD material I strongly recommend Jeffy's Nine Ball book and his show. That is something that inspired me most to approach!

But in the end all of them are not covering the basics of this game and not telling you the truth about things... I found out what really works, only after hanging around with my friend natural who has insane sucsess rate, and it's ALL ABOUT EYE CONTACT and approach invitations...

But you will get it eventually, just stick to the approaching and try to comperhend the dynamic behind every interaction and why shit you said worked, instead of just doing it...

Write field reports every day and in 1-2 years you will get good at picking up, and eventually you will get better in bed and you will rock the world... ;)

[azazels_wolf]

Matador's game is direct, but also microcalibrated, and he establishes high value in the room beforehand. Check out some of the reviews for a glimpse into that. This "battle" between Mystery Method and direct game is really just an illusion. There are many principles common to both. Obviously, certain behaviors and mistakes will lower your value, regardless, which can happen in direct game as well as indirect. But you may find that a particular style suits you better due to context, confidence, personality, etc. Do what brings *you* success. If you want more than you are getting, experiment with doing things differently and see what happens!

[KoolKatPUA]

If wolf says it then I believe ;) :: shakes wolf's hand::

[azazels_wolf]

Haha *grins and shakes Koolkat's hand in return*

Thank you, but you don't have to believe me - check these out :)
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3648
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23702

[Incy]

I'll say something on this topic.

RSD works , but requires hard work to understand its principles and have solid success with its philosophy. Being near naturally cool guys (real men! :) ) helps. I think natural is about being authentic. You won't have to "try to say stuff" anymore or "control her behaviour" and will be able to express yourself more freely. It's easier :).

But. It is NOT solid game as in not 5\5 game. (well, realistically, nothing is 5\5, but by being natural you won't be attractive to all girls. You can't click with ALL people) FAR from it. But the attraction you get from girls that like you is like SUPER more intense.

MM works. There are some cool concepts from there. Like social dynamics stuff and external sources to pump your value. I can imagine it working really great on girls who have ego-reality of being THE shit. I dunno. But from my (short although) experience - it is MUCH more solid , but the feeling you get while gaming in MM is ... kinda different. It is not really being yourself like you would near your close friends. The last and only girl I gamed fully by MM - I was able to express myself like 80% at max. Sucks :)

But it works 10\10. I have friends who are fully MM. But you will have to control her behaviour with IOD\IOI\DHV\DLV once in a while in a long run which is meh. Worth it? Don't know. I'll try to go fully indirect some more and see what happens. But this is my experience with MM so far.

[L.A. Tripp]

Incy, thanks for sharing your experiences. Check this out:
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24154&highlight=purpose+natural

[Crowster]

Hey, what do you think of RSD style? I posted a topic asking help with my DHV story there and I got 3 pages of answeres telling me basically that DHV stories are manipulating girls to like me, will fail, are needy.

Their help for me was to go out there and just talk to people (which isn't bad advice but..no tecniques?), then I got a huge quoted post about some guys post where the basic words were fck, d*ck, co*k etc.. (I guess the point was to be super alpha and not care about anything..also that there is no such thing as attraction).

I haven't got anything against RSD but..is their only advice really just talking to people, saying things that come to my head at the moment and having a ego the size of the Fat Bastard in Austin Powers movies?

It is pretty obvious that you have no idea what RSD's stuff is about. I saw your post there and it was a shame that some people were not totally serious. But then again, it's normal to get the occasional sarcastic tone from some members in any online forum.

RSD's material is totally non-ego based. I'm not sure who or what exactly gave you the impression that you have to have a big ego to become successful with women. Their approach is focused towards thinking outside your head, non-outcome depedancy, and really pushing forward. Don't look too much (or rather at all) into the reaction of the girl.

I actually love their work so much because it really teaches you to bring out the natural in you. We're all naturals. It's just that we never knew how to unlock that potential because of the social conditioning we've gone through (and still are) all our lives. Microcalibration and "techniques" won't help you a lot. I find it to be way too systematic.

But then again, to each his own :)

Oh and posting a topic on RSDN about DHV is truly not a good idea. It's like going to Burger King and ordering a Big Mac. Different taste. Different product. Same category.

And please, stop idiolizing/modeling posters or members on forums as "representatives" of a certain "cult" or whatever. Look more into the material rather than the people. TD's stuff is brilliant IMO. Blueprint changed me and the way I interact with people in clubs and bars. I'm more open now to my own vibe and energy regardless of the people's reactions to what I do. I now act freely and ego-less in certain situations and I am able to reach a point where I dont run out of things to say. I don't need routines or canned material.

Does this mean I am against other "styles" or "methods" ? No! It just means that one thing works for me and another doesnt.

Bottom line: Stop asking people what they think of different styles in the "community". Go out. Do your own thing. You'll eventually learn. You never know, you might come up with your own style ;)

All the best!

Crow

[Turboorav]

Thanks crow, when I started this thread I was really dissapointed that they laughed on my DHV story thread. Anyways, I have read a bit in that forum now and yeah.. I understand now that they teach you to loose the ego and be natural.. Anyways.. I have still not changed my opinion on the matter that the instructors there have huge egos and think that they are men who brought the god's wisdom on earth..

And.. I have also remained sure that direct game at night and just vomiting words after that doesn't create attraction unless you are a hot guy. Look at the RSD coaches (except Tyler) they are all like male models..

[L.A. Tripp]

I haven't been on that forum yet that I know of, but may check it out. However, the issue of HUGE egos brings to my mind The Attraction Forums. Specifically Savoy, I believe is the one.

Also, mPUAF, that forum is run amok with that as well.

[EmotionFlow]

Thanks crow, when I started this thread I was really dissapointed that they laughed on my DHV story thread. Anyways, I have read a bit in that forum now and yeah.. I understand now that they teach you to loose the ego and be natural.. Anyways.. I have still not changed my opinion on the matter that the instructors there have huge egos and think that they are men who brought the god's wisdom on earth..

And.. I have also remained sure that direct game at night and just vomiting words after that doesn't create attraction unless you are a hot guy. Look at the RSD coaches (except Tyler) they are all like male models..


If you see Ozzie, Tyler and Hoobie as good looking lads, than you have serious issues with your physical appearance. Instead of investing loads of time in your outer game, you should perhaps invest all that time in your image or avatar, how you guys call it here.

Physical appearance is a package of you and that is what is selling you. Along practicing approaching on daily basis, I advise most of the guys to still invest a lot in their body and face.

Loose your fat, get super hot sexy body, get rid of acne, fix your teeth, buy some fancy clothes that look like you got loads of money... And than go out to field as a fucking prize and let the chicks chase you... Like Mystery is preaching for years...

[Crowster]

If you see Ozzie, Tyler and Hoobie as good looking lads, than you have serious issues with your physical appearance. Instead of investing loads of time in your outer game, you should perhaps invest all that time in your image or avatar, how you guys call it here.

That's not a nice way to put it at all. @ Turboorav, you have to start believing that looks do not matter at all. What matters is your health. How you pull yourself together and manage to keep your body at a good healthy level. Mind you, disabilities do NOT count.

Physical appearance is a package of you and that is what is selling you. Along practicing approaching on daily basis, I advise most of the guys to still invest a lot in their body and face.[

Loose your fat, get super hot sexy body, get rid of acne, fix your teeth, buy some fancy clothes that look like you got loads of money... And than go out to field as a fucking prize and let the chicks chase you... Like Mystery is preaching for years...

And like many other normal men have preached. Or rather simply "said".