How not to hurt them....?

[Jess_R]

Ok, so here's the problem:
You open. You attract. You qualify, and build comfort. Bounce.. whatever. Everything is going great. All you're looking for is a lay, and there's no hope of fool's mate, so you time- bridge. Ok now it gets tricky. You meet her again, and after finishing C3, move to a seduction location.
You overcome LMR, but then she looks at you, and says, "do you love me baby?" If you say no... good chance there won't be sex. You say yes, you're not being honest.
If she's not gonna me your LTR, then at some point you gotta tell her bye. How do you do this and keep from crushing her, and not being a dishonest prick? I LOVE the game. But I don't like hurting people... OR spending my valuable time, for nothing because I wouldn't "commit" in the end. Anyone have a philosophy on this? God, I'd love to hear it.

-JR

[-Silver-]

'You're an amazing girl. I enjoy every moment we spend together, I feel I can connect with you on some levels that I just can't with other people. I don't know what we are, and I can't predict the future. The fact is, I've had so many bad experiences with love that I'm starting to lose faith in it. It's not that I can't love, it's just that it takes me a lot longer to allow my emotions to reach that state. But don't doubt for one second that I don't like being with you.'

That's my line. Purely because it's not really a line for me, it's 100% true. My experiences with love are fucked up beyond belief, and I will never sleep with a girl unless I genuinely enjoy her company. At the moment, I get out of relationships by pointing out that university is approaching, and I don't want to start a relationship when I just have to leave her behind when I go. It'd be too unfair on the girl. When I'm at university, and I find a girl that I want to sleep with but don't want a relationship with, I'd first ensure that the consequences of those actions won't leave her in a worse state. I'd then use a line similar to the above that Zan uses: 'I don't know what we are, (referring to the boyfriend/girlfriend label) but I do know that I enjoy spending time with you, and that I would like to see you again.' I will then make the time we spend together less frequent, but ensure she is always welcome in my social circle, and that I am always around as a friend. By never committing to a relationship with her, and stating that you aren't sure about what is developing between you, then you will be able to keep a check on her emotions as much as is possible. Don't ever assume that emotions are 100% manageable though - there will be times when a girl will fall in love you. It is your duty not to lead her on if she is developing these emotions. Always leave the girl better than when you found her. If you can't be certain that you she won't be hurt by this, then the best advice is don't do it. Find another girl, who is okay with the concept of an open relationship, or is fine when you use the above lines. Obviously it's all dependant on your morals as a pickup artist, but I strongly recommend you develop a strong sense of them. Especially with the publicity that the community will be generating with the new show.

-Silver-

[Jess_R]

Speaking of which... that show airs today.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to make that intelligent reply. I think it's ok, so long as you don't make any commitments with her in the first place. When you do, or when you have been calling her every night, and then stop, and for the first time, feel guilty, Hypnotica calls it "caging the tiger" ... not good if you're a PUA. So yeah, man, I have to make my own set of rules and morals that apply to my life, but that motto, leaving them better then you found them ... that is beautiful.


-JR

[Johnny Soporno]

Ok, so here's the problem:
You overcome LMR, but then she looks at you, and says, "do you love me baby?"


Answer: "I'm about to."

If you've got a girl to the point where she's going to ask such a question seriously, you've spent WAY too much time getting her to bed, if you're just looking for sex.

Johnny Soporno

Check your PM :)

[PizzaLord]

Jess, my reply would be an honest one. Telling a girl that you love her when you dont just to get laid is a scummy, desperate AFC of a thing to do.

Personally, my reply would mention that, it different languages like Italian and Spanish there are 2 ways of telling someone you love them.

In Spanish you can say 'Te quiero' and "Te amo'. Te quiero you can say to really good, close friends or members of your family or to someone you really really like and are attracted to. Te amo you would only use with your BF / GF, husband / wife and is a very strong thing to say to somebody that you are in love with as opposed to someone you love.

Italian is the same except it's 'Te volgio bene' and 'Te amo'.

If you really care for the girl I would tell her that I love her enough to say "Te quiero" but to get to "Te amo" takes some time due to bad experiences I have had in the past with falling too far too soon.

That's how I would handle it and, for me, that's an honest reply which any sensible girl will respect.

[Hypnotica]

You can always just say...right now i am loving being with you. you feel good don't you? you are emjoying this arent you?
takes the edge off and moves into her court

[jakehalsted]

My advice is going physical within the 8 hour period that Mystery writes about. if I woman is doing physics with a man within that period of time, then its a mutually known fact that thats what its about. women like sex just as much as men do.

as far as the "I love you baby" crap... you seriously need to be gaming women with more self esteem than that. I don't want to her those nasty words from a woman, unless I've been dating her a year or more . it means too much to use so cheaply.