Do you have to fuck fatties to get good?

[leslav]

To the dudes on this board that are good, i.e. complete sets regularly in the 8+ range, did you go through a period of closing 5's and 6's before moving up, or did you go for the kind of women you want once you got some skills?

To those that closed the less attractive women for a period of time, do you think closing fatties is an important part of the learning curve, or is it best to save the annoyance factor and go straight for the hotties?

Edit: To clarify, I mean, is it worth it to fuck girls you might not be attracted to for the sake of the learning, or is it more efficient to go for the girls you are into straight away?

I would also like to point out that the term "fattie" is used here in a tongue-in-cheek way and is not meant as a judgement. I am occasionally attracted to girls that are a bit more plump than average. Perhaps the question as phrased in "edit" is more clear.

[RobLaughter]

In my opinion, you should fuck who you want to fuck. No guy that one can consider "good" in this game will turn away a six. If I'm attracted to a girl, I'm going to want to sleep with her.

To address your question, no. You don't HAVE to sleep with fives and sixes, but why not? And just because a chick isn't particularly attractive doesn't instantly make her a fatty now, does it?

[Envy]

I never go all the way with 5's or 6's unless I've had some alcohol in me. For whatever reason when I'm completley sober I kind force myself to fuck a girl I'm not attracted to whatsoever. Even if its right there for the taking. Right now I could make a phone call to a 6 and bang her for hours but I wouldn't enjoy it much so I'll go out sarging instead.

[Yoda]

Don't settle.

For me that applys to everything. Including practice.

Practice with the best :cool:

[RobLaughter]

Don't settle. Supplement.

[Solus]

Well here's my thoughts. In the same way fighting kindergarten kids won't lead to you becoming a black belt in karate capable of kicking the shit out of Chuck Norris, sleeping with ugly girls or taking easy options will not make you a Venusian artist.
Quite often the hardest women to pull are the 'fatties' as they have an in-built 'fat shield' much like a HB10s 'bitch shield'. Even the best looking guys often have difficulty pulling big girls as they think the boys are taking the piss or are extremely drunk. Or both. What's the point putting in all your effort to get a product you don't want only not to get it? Think logically. It doesn't make any sense.
Besides, if you go into a club environment and make your way over to some completely AVERAGE girl in an UGLY set and get blown out, how are you going to be confident enough to talk to anyone better?
Think about what is going to help your confidence the most. Sleeping with lots of women you're not attracted to, or getting one you do find attractive and working from there. The choice is yours my friend but I recommend the latter.

[Johnny.Vegas]

Never. I only once in my lifetime hooked up with a girl I wasn't that attracted to, and hated every minute of it, then had some nice buyers remorse afterwards. I have ridiculiously high standards and make no apologies for it, if I'm not attracted to a girl, then there's ZERO chance things are gonna happen.

Agree with Yoda + RobLaughter, don't settle for less. If you enjoy it, then thats fine, but if you're lowering your standards for 'practice' then I don't share that point of view.

[Superfreak]

I never go all the way with 5's or 6's unless I've had some alcohol in me. For whatever reason when I'm completley sober I kind force myself to fuck a girl I'm not attracted to whatsoever. Even if its right there for the taking. Right now I could make a phone call to a 6 and bang her for hours but I wouldn't enjoy it much so I'll go out sarging instead.

Ok I totally disagree with most on this subject, First off I do not care how much you drink fat is still fat drunk or not.

As far as who I hook up with I look at it more as "would I hit that?" If the answer is yes than game on. I do not only date 10 or 11's in fact Some elevens look too perfect. Like Carman Electra for example from what I hear is Fing cool, looks perfect, and there is nothing wrong with that for a one nighter. Though what I am more interested in is MLTR or something more than just one night though I emit I do take that three hour cruise a little to often, Anyways I think sometimes the little things about woman that are not 100% perfect makes a woman more enduring in many ways.

I have never been sexual with a fat girl ever and never will. In fact I am getting to the point where even a one night stand has to have more than just looks there has to be some kind of connection between us.

For a true PUA its not about sex, thats just one of the added bonuses

[smoothlatinkid]

First off, the title of this thread is the funniest fucking title I've seen in months. LMFAO!

Let's separate 6-7s from "fatties" (is that word ever not funny?)

I live in Hollywood, so the hotness scale is shifted. Your nine is our seven. Or lower. Everything is relative.

Secondly, sexiness isn't really to be qualified just on looks. That's male ego-gratification buillshit. I've slept with 6-7s who've blown 8-10s out of the water. That's because sexuality is an INNER quality.

It all comes down to what you like, and what your standards are. I agree with Rob Laughter---you should fuck who you want to fuck--with the addendum of that sleeping with 6-7s too frequently will rob you of the desire to sarge 8-10s. You'll figure you're getting what you want (sex, validation) from the 6-7---why go through the extra hurdles to go after 8-10s?

I agree with the "supplement" theory. I also want to say if it's a truly cool girl that's sexy and has nearly everything you want, fuck the number scale.

Because "what do you have besides looks" shouldn't just be our handy-dandy a3 question to fake qualify like we have standards.

We should really mean it.

[Mild_Seven]

Well, these days I do all my main practice on hot girls, 8 and above, meaning when I sarge and work on my skillset I try to stick to hot girls. But I'm not at the stage where I can easily f-close the hot girls very often, so I do f-close 5s to 7s. If they're attractive to me, I go for it. The difference is that I don't really consider that practice for building my skillset. When I go for the 5s to 7s it's really quite relaxing because I do most of my practice on hotter, more aloof girls.

I know there are some guys out there who'll think "No way, I'll never close a 5! 5s are nasty!" No, 5s are average, 6s above average and attractive, 7s pretty darn cute.

By the way, where do you guys get HB11 from? I know Mystery has used the term before, but how can there be an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10? That just throws the scale off so you can raise all your numbers up and sound like you're closing more hot girls than you really are.

[Superfreak]

To me the 11 is the HB that blows all others away, they are the rarest and deserving of a seporate catagory all there own. I agree that the number system is relative to location as the hottest girl in a venue is a 10 (and must5 be gamed as a 10)and the ugliest is a 1. So depending on the venue or relitive to location a 1 could be a 5 else where and a 10 could be a 7. Its relitive to the venue and/ or area. To me an 11 is an eleven regardless of venue.

Say for example Miss world would be an 11 as even what most consider tens would be less attractive in her presence.

Basically with 1-10 a ten is in the top 10% of women. A 10.5 would be close to being in the top 5% and a 11 would be in the top 1%.

The term is used only to seporate her from with in that 10% to show that she is actually of the highest value. Kinda like a Diamond, its one of the most valuable stones but they assign Carets and clairity to it as well to show where it stands and to seporate it from other diamonds.

Anyways think what ever you want 11 is just a hell of a lot easier than using decimals.

Yea I scored with a 9.999985 as in your method you could never sleep with a 10 as nothing could be higher.

Personality does play some role as I have seen girls that would be rated an eight in looks have to be played as a ten due to her personality making up for the lesser looks.

Its not a perfect system by any means. It is just the standard for looks that most use.

[RobLaughter]

By this, you're saying that one in ten women you meet will be a 10. That's ridiculous. The concept of a 10+ is preposterous as well. 10s are perfect. There's no such thing as "beyond perfect." I feel like guys who use such an inflated rating system only do so to make themselves more secure in the fact that they're not getting the quality women that they're looking for, and to make themselves look better to the rest of the community.

I agree with Formhandle's Rating System:

1-5 is an UG - 30% of all chicks
6 is a neutral until screened for personality (she can gain or lose points)
6.5 is a B or Babe (50% of the chicks run into on average)
7-8.4 is an everyday HB (waitress, receptionist, cheerleader, 10% of all chicks)
8.5-9 is an eye-catching HB (magazine model, stripper, aeobics instructor, 6% of all chicks)
9.5 is high-quality HB (girl-next-door who could be model/TV personality, healthy, natural, intelligent, 3% of all chicks)
9.9 is SHB, way less than 1% of all chicks
There are no 10s

[leslav]

First off, the title of this thread is the funniest fucking title I've seen in months. LMFAO!


Gracias. I thought it was kind of funny too.

People seem to be neglecting the aspect of "practicing" on the less hot girls, which includes practicing KE, comfort and seduction, which is useful... on the other hand, there are inner game integrity issues involved.

Quite the quandary. I agree about going for the girls you like regardless of scale, but what about going for the girls you don't particularly like for practice...

[Mild_Seven]

By this, you're saying that one in ten women you meet will be a 10. That's ridiculous. The concept of a 10+ is preposterous as well. 10s are perfect. There's no such thing as "beyond perfect." I feel like guys who use such an inflated rating system only do so to make themselves more secure in the fact that they're not getting the quality women that they're looking for, and to make themselves look better to the rest of the community.

I agree with Formhandle's Rating System:

1-5 is an UG - 30% of all chicks
6 is a neutral until screened for personality (she can gain or lose points)
6.5 is a B or Babe (50% of the chicks run into on average)
7-8.4 is an everyday HB (waitress, receptionist, cheerleader, 10% of all chicks)
8.5-9 is an eye-catching HB (magazine model, stripper, aeobics instructor, 6% of all chicks)
9.5 is high-quality HB (girl-next-door who could be model/TV personality, healthy, natural, intelligent, 3% of all chicks)
9.9 is SHB, way less than 1% of all chicks
There are no 10s


That's pretty close to how I view things. But 5's are acceptable to me as average, whereas on Formhandle's scale it seems like 6s are average.


what about going for the girls you don't particularly like for practice...

I might test gambits on them to see how well they work (living in a different cutlure I find I have to re-fieldtest everything), but I don't push sarges forward if I don't really want the girl, because I don't want to fuck with their heads and make them like me only to walk away on them.

[Diebold]

Quick reply here:

I fucked whores while I was in the Navy to learn two things...

1) How to have sex that gets a prostitute off (I mean wet sheets scraming and moaning)

2) How to massage a woman (nothing gets a woman ready for sex than a massage).

When the lights are off, flesh is flesh, willing is best.

And yes, fat women try harder. Usually. :p

So do what you have to do in order to expand your skillset. Fat, thin, ugly, hot... lights out all that matters is the orgasm and the happiness you have.

[NiteTime78]

I found this funny because I was almost headed down this same road recently...

[Persephone]

As far as I'm concerned, fucking someone you're not genuinely attracted to is a waste of your time. But if you ARE attracted to these girls, then why not go for it? :)

On the other hand, if it's just practice you're looking for, then I would say go for the harder sets. Challenging yourself is the only way to get better.

[Matador]

this is an emotinal choice and noone has the moral highground to impose standards of beauty on you...that being said..don't fall into the trap of backing down and NOT gaming hot girls and not managing your fear...do all for the right reasons...

[NiteTime78]

this is an emotinal choice and noone has the moral highground to impose standards of beauty on you...that being said..don't fall into the trap of backing down and NOT gaming hot girls and not managing your fear...do all for the right reasons...

Very true. I'm actually not focused on looks nearly as much as I thought I would be. However, I was considering trying to fuck 6's just for the sake of being easier. I've number closed a few 8 & 9's recently and even had a day 2 with a 9.5, so I know I can game them successfully if I keep at it.

Yeah, I got frustrated and impatient with my progress past the attraction stage. I'm human. I'm not a quitter, but I've always been really hard on my self anytime I'm learning anything new. I remember Style saying he just couldn't "pull the trigger" on the kiss close for 6 months. I'm at the 4 month point and that's my next small chunk of progress I need to overcome, cuz the oppurtunities are there.

Anyway, I'm re-focused and back on track.

[sting]

People seem to be neglecting the aspect of "practicing" on the less hot girls, which includes practicing KE, comfort and seduction, which is useful... on the other hand, there are inner game integrity issues involved.

Quite the quandary. I agree about going for the girls you like regardless of scale, but what about going for the girls you don't particularly like for practice...


Most of PU is socializing, not sex. By all means... practice on girls your not attracted to.
Regarding closing them... Realistically, anyone who tells you that he's never slept with a girl who didn't match up to his super high standards is lying. EVERYONE has done it - sometimes your horny and theres an able bodied girl ready for you - and thats what counts in the moment.
this is true too for gurus. you'll see them with girls who are attractive but by no means "10s" - the hype that they seattle for nothing short of that is just that: hype.


i would suggest that you don't make a point to just sleep with girls your not into - but if it comes up, don't throw it out out of principal if you find yourself not wanting to.
IME - fucking without being too picky builds up a sense inside yourself that you can fuck anybody (NOT just fucking UGs, but not excluding everyone who isn't your dream girl) - and thats a big step forward towards your greater goals.

hope thats helpful,
S.

[Couture]

Heh, don´t settle for anything but the best...