daedalus
10-22-2009, 07:16 AM
Ok, I just realised that Young Jedi isn't a original name here(and I thought I was special), so I'm reposting this under my new name: Daedalus. It's so damn hard to be original these days...:)
For anyone with little or no game, this review is for you.
To be honest, when I was going into the bootcamp, I had no idea what to expect. Sure I’d read The Game and Mystery Method, but in reality I had put nothing of what I learned into practice. Nor had I what people call ‘natural game’. All I wanted to get out of this camp was an understanding on how to improve. This was a leap of faith.
I remember walking into the room the first day, and feeling immediately out of my depth. Everyone around that table looked the part. In fairness though, everyone was dead on, and it was an open environment for any beginner.
The seminar was great- Discovery really gave it lots of energy, and I’ve no idea how the guy kept going. We did a few roleplays to practice approach, develop openers, stories, learned tricks, and so on. It was at this point though I realised I had to go through with the full bootcamp: otherwise I wouldn’t change in the field. I needed to be pushed.
The first night out, I was shitting it. Moonlight and Rhina winged me for a bit, which was a great help, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find this really tough. There was a good few sets I was shot down in, lost my lines, wasn’t heard, but I always got feedback and they kept pushing me back out there. The Club was incredibly loud- a testing environment. In the end, I opened about 15 sets, more than I have in a year! I'd like to thank Moonlight and Rhina here: forcing me out there had to be the hardest job of the weekend, but you guys really pulled me thru it!
The second night, the difference was dramatic. I still hadn’t the hang of using canned material, so I had to improvise, and to my surprise, it generally came off! Sphinx and Top Cat really put me thru the ropes. I learned a lot, and even enjoyed myself a bit! I came away with a real feeling that, if I can get some material down, I’ll be flying!
I’ve listed the vital points to the bootcamp below:
1. Body Language: I got great feedback from Moonlight in particular about my body language on the first night. The problem with just taking the seminar here is that, when you’re under pressure and nervous, all that shit you’ve learned goes out the window, and you need someone to point out what you’re doing wrong.
2. Group dynamic: it was a real eye opener to see how a group of PUAs should operate. None of this competing and shooting each other down; it’s real teamwork out there. Made it much easier to learn too.
3. Dance floor game: again, impossible to explain. More something you must experience. Top Cat was a legend out there, taking 4 aggressive AMOGs out before getting the girl! Meanwhile Sphinx gave me a great run thru of how Top Cats game was going, and the ripple effect through the crowd! Truly, this was Game played at its purest level: relying only on body language.
4. Wide range of experiences: the guys really pushed me and helped me get experience at levels I wouldn’t reach naturally. Particularly on the stories/comfort/kino. Again, hats off to Sphinx, Topcat and Moonlight for pushing me out there and encouraging me.
5. You learn how to assess each night and each set, and what pointers to keep in mind to improve on the next night.
6. This might sound strange, but I didn’t really believe in the material until I saw it in motion. Knowing it is not enough.
7. The effect of Peacocking, and having a Wingwoman. These really make life a lot easier!
8. Discovery has a great internal frame and great composure when he’s in the club. You’d swear the guy lived in the place! This is something I’ll definitely have to replicate. At the moment my internal frame is quite weak, meaning it’s easy to discourage me in clubs. In other words, it’s an obstacle to learning. As I was pared with Sphinx, Top Cat and Moonlight, I didn’t see too much of Discovery(he was teaching the more advanced students), but what I did see was impressive. Even a threatened fight at the end of the night didn’t shake him!
9. I see a lot of comments about the cost of the course, and yes it is expensive. But there is an advantage to that: I’m not just going to sit on my ass after I invested all that cash! Dammit, I’m gonna get my moneys worth! There’s no turning back. And to be fair to the guys, they give it everything, plus you have backup support afterwards.
To summarise, there’s no point in thinking I don’t have a long road ahead of me. But this was a genuine strong first step. I do feel that, hadn’t I taken the course, I would have done nothing for 6 months, or even got shot down once then given up on the whole thing. Some guys will expect to come out of this as Casanova- That’s not what I was looking for. I was simply looking for a way to start and build my game. And I got that in spades.
For anyone with little or no game, this review is for you.
To be honest, when I was going into the bootcamp, I had no idea what to expect. Sure I’d read The Game and Mystery Method, but in reality I had put nothing of what I learned into practice. Nor had I what people call ‘natural game’. All I wanted to get out of this camp was an understanding on how to improve. This was a leap of faith.
I remember walking into the room the first day, and feeling immediately out of my depth. Everyone around that table looked the part. In fairness though, everyone was dead on, and it was an open environment for any beginner.
The seminar was great- Discovery really gave it lots of energy, and I’ve no idea how the guy kept going. We did a few roleplays to practice approach, develop openers, stories, learned tricks, and so on. It was at this point though I realised I had to go through with the full bootcamp: otherwise I wouldn’t change in the field. I needed to be pushed.
The first night out, I was shitting it. Moonlight and Rhina winged me for a bit, which was a great help, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find this really tough. There was a good few sets I was shot down in, lost my lines, wasn’t heard, but I always got feedback and they kept pushing me back out there. The Club was incredibly loud- a testing environment. In the end, I opened about 15 sets, more than I have in a year! I'd like to thank Moonlight and Rhina here: forcing me out there had to be the hardest job of the weekend, but you guys really pulled me thru it!
The second night, the difference was dramatic. I still hadn’t the hang of using canned material, so I had to improvise, and to my surprise, it generally came off! Sphinx and Top Cat really put me thru the ropes. I learned a lot, and even enjoyed myself a bit! I came away with a real feeling that, if I can get some material down, I’ll be flying!
I’ve listed the vital points to the bootcamp below:
1. Body Language: I got great feedback from Moonlight in particular about my body language on the first night. The problem with just taking the seminar here is that, when you’re under pressure and nervous, all that shit you’ve learned goes out the window, and you need someone to point out what you’re doing wrong.
2. Group dynamic: it was a real eye opener to see how a group of PUAs should operate. None of this competing and shooting each other down; it’s real teamwork out there. Made it much easier to learn too.
3. Dance floor game: again, impossible to explain. More something you must experience. Top Cat was a legend out there, taking 4 aggressive AMOGs out before getting the girl! Meanwhile Sphinx gave me a great run thru of how Top Cats game was going, and the ripple effect through the crowd! Truly, this was Game played at its purest level: relying only on body language.
4. Wide range of experiences: the guys really pushed me and helped me get experience at levels I wouldn’t reach naturally. Particularly on the stories/comfort/kino. Again, hats off to Sphinx, Topcat and Moonlight for pushing me out there and encouraging me.
5. You learn how to assess each night and each set, and what pointers to keep in mind to improve on the next night.
6. This might sound strange, but I didn’t really believe in the material until I saw it in motion. Knowing it is not enough.
7. The effect of Peacocking, and having a Wingwoman. These really make life a lot easier!
8. Discovery has a great internal frame and great composure when he’s in the club. You’d swear the guy lived in the place! This is something I’ll definitely have to replicate. At the moment my internal frame is quite weak, meaning it’s easy to discourage me in clubs. In other words, it’s an obstacle to learning. As I was pared with Sphinx, Top Cat and Moonlight, I didn’t see too much of Discovery(he was teaching the more advanced students), but what I did see was impressive. Even a threatened fight at the end of the night didn’t shake him!
9. I see a lot of comments about the cost of the course, and yes it is expensive. But there is an advantage to that: I’m not just going to sit on my ass after I invested all that cash! Dammit, I’m gonna get my moneys worth! There’s no turning back. And to be fair to the guys, they give it everything, plus you have backup support afterwards.
To summarise, there’s no point in thinking I don’t have a long road ahead of me. But this was a genuine strong first step. I do feel that, hadn’t I taken the course, I would have done nothing for 6 months, or even got shot down once then given up on the whole thing. Some guys will expect to come out of this as Casanova- That’s not what I was looking for. I was simply looking for a way to start and build my game. And I got that in spades.