How To Kiss Close

[Composure]

Let me start by saying, that my attract game is good, very good at times. In my flow I can attract every girl in the room, club, but I’m at major sticking point.

I can’t take it further. I can’t kiss close.

I’ve created a wall. I either talk myself out of it, that’s she’s not hot enough for me, or I stall, or I make up an excuse like “she works with me, so it would fuck me up”. I forget to or won’t isolate, and I start to wig out. I then get hard on myself because I should be fucking like a rock star.

It doesn’t make sense; everywhere I go I am the most attractive guy. I can see it in the girl’s eyes that they get disappointed.

I know I’m only limiting myself which I think is linked up to a perfection complex. It’s all in my mind. But fuck!

Has any PUA’s out there been stuck at this sticky point? And how did you get over it?

I want NLP routines, sarging strategies, step by step processes, give me them all!

I need to get this handled. I remember reading that Styles was stuck at this point for quiet some time. How did he get over it?

I’ve also been going over my game, and here are the sticking points that are hindering me. This list is more for myself than anything else, but if anyone has suggestions feel free to contribute. (My main dilemma is the Kiss Close problem)

1. I don’t isolate often enough even when I know I can. (note to self isolate after 5 min – this generally the amount of time to attract them)
2. I don’t make them qualify them often enough. (note to self before isolating make it a point to make them qualify themselves before I isolate and perform the soul gazing, cube, the Forrest)
3. I don’t review my routines and game plan before I go out.
4. I don’t have set tasks to improve on each time I sarge.
5. I don’t sarge often enough. (note to self – just do it, even if I’m lazy)
6. I feel the need to attract every group of girls that that is introduced to me, even if they a friends-friends. (note to self – you don’t always have to be loved - Get over your needy reaction seeking attitude)
7. On that note, be un-reactive – (why should I care I can attract any girl I want – seriously – but not when I’m reactive)
8. I don’t do enough study. (note to self – study more)
9. I don’t do chase cycle often enough. (note to self I must incorporate chase cycle as often as possible)
10. Throw more pebble
11. Do more future/past projections.
12. I scare myself out of kiss closing.

So guys, I would appreciate all the suggestions for overcoming my kiss close sticking point.

Composure.

[Affection]

Hey,

You know exactly what's wrong already. The only thing left is to go out and do it. Take your list, get rid of the "excuses" (3, 5, 8, 12), fix the real problems (1, 2, 7), and just do it.

I'm sure you already have Mystery's kiss close routine... it's a complete no-pressure gambit. There's no possible negative outcome. If you want another baby step, try biting her ear. If she lets you bite her ear, a minute later, just kiss her without routine. If you want other how-tos as far as kissing, search mASF for my "Seriously Smooches" threads, but really, more reading isn't going to bring you closer to doing it at this point... it's bringing the material to your lips in set. Go out to some bars and don't go back home until you've attempted a kiss routine. :)

~~Affection

[TheCoolerKing]

ya same here.
I always seem to just stop.

Mostly cause I think its too much of a risk to ruin what I already have with her just for a kiss.

Well thats gonna change for me now.

[strypes]

Never actually used Mystery's kiss close effectively... but style's Evolution Phase Shift routine is the absolute blammo! (hear that, style?)

For her body language, watch out for the triangular gaze, where you find her eyes moving towards your lips. The rest of the stuff (I remember a quite a few posts on stylelife)... As a general rule for me, it's usually kino before kiss.

[LondonPlayboy]

Make a promise to yourself that you will try to kiss close then next 30 sets.

Once you have attraction, use Mystery's Kiss Tactic:

"Would you like to kiss me?"

"Yes" (uncommon) - Kiss her
"Urm", "Maybe", "I don't know", etc, etc - Mean yes, say "Let's find out" and kiss her
"Not yet/not here" - "I understand." Isolate her later and then kiss her.
"No" - "I didn't say you could....you just looked like you had something on your mind."

Understand that nothing bad will happen, and you will learn a lot.

Incidentally, some guys on Bootcamp are unsure that "I don't know" or "urrrm" answers actually mean "yes". We have a simple "gay bar" test. Imagine you were in a gay bar and a gay dude starts chattng to you. If he said "would you lie to kiss me?" would you answer with anything other than a firm "no"?

;)

[Mastery]

Affection, could you elaborate on how to bite her ear in a way that'll be a turn-on? It's on the earlobe, I presume? How do you bite (it's different from biting a girl's neck)? What if she has earrings, will it hurt?

I'll practise on Extramask's Mom.

[RedpoleQ]

I find that a failed kiss close is almost as good as a successful one. Like cavemanning I find that it builds respect from the girls.

I usually only use a routine for the k-close when I've got the girl at a seduction location. Usually during the question game.

In a club, I usually use bonjovi's kiss tactic. Kiss her on each cheek(presumably you've gotten cheek kisses earlier in the sarge, like in A2 when everything is still just pure fun and games).

Then while you kiss her on the cheek you should be calibrating and then go for the lip kiss.

If you don't think she'll go for the lip kiss, then just stop with the cheek kisses. Get her to kiss you on the cheek as well. Turn your head and point.

Try for the lips then.

If you go for it and it doesn't go just give her a sly smile and a wink, stack forward.

[TheCoolerKing]

If you don't think she'll go for the lip kiss, then just stop with the cheek kisses. Get her to kiss you on the cheek as well. Turn your head and point.

Try for the lips then.

If you go for it and it doesn't go just give her a sly smile and a wink, stack forward.
You sneak it on her?

[Composure]

Thanks guys for your responses.

I've the promise to myself that all of my isolations I get I will go for the kiss close.

Or do you think that Isolation isn’t necessary that I should go for it no matter. That maybe just the thought of having to isolate and then kiss close is a limiting belief?

Composure

[Affection]

Sure. There's really many different kinds of ear biting...

Playful ear biting - Biting not (blatantly) to turn her on, but becuase you're being fun. Should be done at the bottom of the ear, and quickly.
First-time turn-on biting - Easiest way is to have her in somewhat of a hug, and then just turn your head and nibble on the bottom of her ear for a second or two.
Foreplay biting - During foreplay, your goal is to turn a girl on as much as possible. The first time you're doing it especially, to try and limit LMR by filling her mind with emotions and feelings. The key is multitasking. You have your mouth, hands, and lower body. Laying on top of her, try using one hand to pull her hair, the other hand to pinch her nipple, your leg to rub between her legs, and then try to have as much of the rest of your body touching her as possible. Then start kissing her neck, and move up to her ears. Once you've started kissing her ear, begin biting it and sucking on it.
Don't worry too much about earrings. If they're small studs, put the whole earring in your mouth and bite her ear above the earing. If they're larger (e.g., hoops), just bite around them. The only thing to watch as far as pain is the cartilage, which is basically anywhere but the very bottom of her ear. The cartilage you must be gentle with; the rest you can bite quite firmly. :)


Affection, could you elaborate on how to bite her ear in a way that'll be a turn-on? It's on the earlobe, I presume? How do you bite (it's different from biting a girl's neck)? What if she has earrings, will it hurt?

I'll practise on Extramask's Mom.


~~Affection

[The Chairman]

Style's EV routine I think is awesome. It does require a bit of skill to pull off, though.

[apg96]

personally i think kiss closing is one of the easier things to do. You have already done all the studying now its just time to take the test.

Personally i think all you need to do (in the cases i have experienced) if you have them already attracted and some comfort. Just lean in pause a lil before you hit her lips and let her come the rest of the way (yes just like in hitch). If that doesnt work just go up to her ear and whisper something to her. Try again later.

[Yoda]

I've always wondered, with the evolution phase shift routine, what if the HB is really against evolution? I remember a couple of HB's stormin out of biology back in the day...

[Utah]

Hey,

I have a theory regarding all k-closes (and feel free to critique or disagree with this).

If you are getting the IOI's she is ready to be kissed. I don't think it matters what "routine" you use. Lets face it. Mystery's "would you like to kiss me?" isn't the greatest line of all time. The reality is, if you used any line at all after a few IOI's she will probably respond well.

That is why often when I sarge I don't use a line to go for the kiss (I've only used Mystery's line once). Instead I just stroke her hair to one side and go for it! I think you should do the same. Even if you get shotdown it doesn't really matter.

just my two cents

Utah

PS. There is an exception to this "rule." If you are getting a few IOI's but are unsure whether you will get a kiss then use Styles Evolution phase shift. The reason is you are taking baby steps to a k-close. So at any point if she doesn't respond well you can back off (without being shotdown). Also (and I've thought this for a while) the Evolution phase shift kindof acts as a DHV as well. So if she's fifty fifty about hooking up with you it could push her over the edge!

[Superfreak]

Hey,

I have a theory regarding all k-closes (and feel free to critique or disagree with this).

If you are getting the IOI's she is ready to be kissed. I don't think it matters what "routine" you use. Lets face it. Mystery's "would you like to kiss me?" isn't the greatest line of all time. The reality is, if you used any line at all after a few IOI's she will probably respond well.

That is why often when I sarge I don't use a line to go for the kiss (I've only used Mystery's line once). Instead I just stroke her hair to one side and go for it! I think you should do the same. Even if you get shotdown it doesn't really matter.

just my two cents

Utah

PS. There is an exception to this "rule." If you are getting a few IOI's but are unsure whether you will get a kiss then use Styles Evolution phase shift. The reason is you are taking baby steps to a k-close. So at any point if she doesn't respond well you can back off (without being shotdown). Also (and I've thought this for a while) the Evolution phase shift kindof acts as a DHV as well. So if she's fifty fifty about hooking up with you it could push her over the edge!

I agree if you escalate properly asking to find out is not needed. One thing I have used as far as a test so to speak is the Style version with the pulling hair and biting the soft part of the elbow.

I have done this on two lesbians at a strip club before.

Here is what had happened I was at a party and one girl that the lesbians had been hanging with was straight so I had isolated the girl to a bedroom for sex. Anyways the lesbians go looking for her and open the door and see us having sex, I said In or out, they came in and I said close the door. So basically they watched as I did my thing so to speak. The girl had to work the next day so left afterwards I then invited the two lesbians to a strip club that does not close till 5. Since they were lesbians I talk to them about pickup and we compare notes anyway one of them changes seats with the other to be closer to me so I thought WTF and started describing the Style kiss close, I did the neck hair pull then the bit on the arm then could have kiss closed but the other girl was looking on with evil intent so I backed down a bit and just # closed the both of them so that we could hang out again sometime. Anyways I called her back up and we then F closed. The point is that since they were lesbians I was not sure how far I could take it so I used his test close to gauge or test the interaction.

So now I have a new tool to my game so to speak, Thanks Style.

Do not be afraid to test the waters and try out new methods from time to time.


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