Day Game Questions

[Keko]

Ok, im going to start running day game & Im wondering a couple things

1- Are openers like 'The Ring' & 'Jealous Girlfriend' Opener , really needed?

2- Do I build comfort by immediately commenting on something she is wearing, reading, doing, etc

3- Im pretty sure i need time Constraint, but as i said pretty....do i need one?

4- what are the best places to go to?

5- Any body got any solid routines for day game?

=)

[justmelol]

Basically all of your questions stems from the fact that you have no inner game, and is focusing on routines. I believe you should study different stuff in regards to the inner game, because your answers will be found there. If you can't understand the concepts behind things like the time constraint, the opener, the comfort phase, all the stuff you learn will purely be routine and will not be congruent with your self. This would make the difference between the PUA and the PUA-wannabe, which would affect whether or not you gain success in the field. That said,

1) Any opener will work essentially, as long as it opens. It is more of how you say something, than what you say.

2) comfort is built many ways, but I would not reccomend you build comfort 'immediately' upon talking ot the girl

3) review key concepts

4) I've tried bookstores, malls, coffee shops, frozen yogurt shops, cafes.... etc

5) it would be more beneficial for you to make your own routine, and ask for critique on how well it might serve your purpose

[Keko]

Basically all of your questions stems from the fact that you have no inner game, and is focusing on routines. I believe you should study different stuff in regards to the inner game, because your answers will be found there.

Thank you , this is what struct me the most, il start looking into inner game, but what do you mean i dont have inner game, isnt inner game suppose 2 be like: your thoughts on things, how comfortable you are?

[justmelol]

the short answer is yes. Its how to become the alpha male, not how to act like the alpha male.

[Keko]

i appreciate it bro, thanks. Im a follwo up on your advice

[Prophet]

Howdy bro!

here's some answers for you!

1 - Opinion Openers and Situational Openers are my preference for day game. But any opener you can think of will work, provided you calibrate it properly.

2- Build comfort by building a connection, commenting on something she is wearing can wreak of every other guy that has tried to hit on her.

3- A false time constraint is usually essential to running solid game.

4- what justmelol said.

5- Stick with lower energy routines if you are in lower energy environments. A routine in which you are somewhat loud or make a bit of a scene, while effective in a nightclub, isn't the best idea for a bookstore.

[Keko]

^^^thank you pimipin

[JonTurbo]

hey whats up keko.
I've had more field experience out in night clubs but I just began working on my day game recently. let me break down what I think.

day game- same as night club, but a little bit slower as you know.
I use my same routines as club game.

sample of my routine stack.

opener- jealous girlfriend
transition to DHV- cold read gambit. (palm reading or astrology)
neg
DHV- story
neg
DHV- another mini cold read gambit
neg

look for IOI's if she begins giving them to you, you can begin your transition to comfort.

once I transition, I can begin seeding a insta-date. maybe a cafe at the mall or a arcade in the mall.

this routine stack should get you started.
I expect a field report from you soon.

turbo

[ThePlayBook]

Still love the fact people use "Canned material" during the day. Nothing like walking up to some random girl and coming across like a youth group informant coming from the far left.

Stay away from what every other guy has been doing. I.e Instant compliments, cheap pick up lines. Just doing the opposite is enough to keep a girl interested since your not of the usual type talking to her.

Is it wrong just to meet eyes with a girl and just open casually? Hey how are you, how is your day going, whats your name..my name is? Neg/jokes/DHV to a Hey I gotta get back to my schedule, number exchange....?

Whatever your method be just make sure your coming in smoothly and you'll always get recognized for your talent.

[Keko]

thank you turbo & Playbook

@ playbook - i still gotta find my style you know, im still new to this, im going today to the field & thinking of opening with 'hey quick question, ...long or short hair?' then show her my ponytail. Girls usually say long...so at the time il just say ur nose wiggles or blink alot...transition then into normal convo i guess =)

Iono will see today

[AFC Ajax]

That's pretty funny ThePlayBook..I use compliments during the day, and they are spot on.

Day Game is different to Night game, obviously. I use a kind of sincere, direct game during the day which fits my frame
pefectly. It's not unusual for a girl to completely lighten up after a compliment, direct opener. I suppose I am bringing some positivity into the world.

Check out LondonSouls material.

I usually just tell a girl I had to meet her, and that she looks gorgeous. Then I release the pressure by making her laugh/some light banter. I do some form of attraction and qualification, mixed in with normal conversation. Works well for me.
A part of the nightgame material works, but it can seem a bit odd, or creepy coming in with palmistry or hand writing analysis. During the day it's more about me displaying my personality, showing I have standards etc.

[Keko]

I learned that I have to hit the fields more often...tomorrow...sarge mod [on] off

thanks ajax for ur tip

[ThePlayBook]

Thats cool with the complements AFC Ajax, but i just say to avoid them completely cause most over do it with them. Cannot expect just to say wow your pretty and to have her on your lap 3 seconds later...need some follow through.

Plus in Amsterdam it may be easier in the Red-Light District lmao!

[AFC Ajax]

That's the cool part, it happens that quickly. Guys just assume way too quickly that compliments don't work during the day. That everybody does it. That girls hear them so often. But I've heard so many times something along of the line of wow, nobody has ever said that to me before. The direct compliment, during the day(because this is this Day Game Forum, this doesnt work as good during the night/needs some adaptation, check out Sean Messenger and Johhny Soporno's stuff) is a strong Demonstration of Higher Value. It takes balls of steel to walk up to a girl, keep your frame, and being able to talk slowly/confidently while maintaining strong EC. After that you banter/laugh, which is another DHV. You might show that you aware of the crazy situation which you just created, which shows congruence and social intuition, another DHV. So you have confidence, humor and social intuition. I think thats a fantastic start to lead the interaction to a phoneclose, facebookclose, instant dateclose or more.

[tuustep]

Thank you , this is what struct me the most, il start looking into inner game, but what do you mean i dont have inner game, isnt inner game suppose 2 be like: your thoughts on things, how comfortable you are?

I am with you Keko. I am an rAFC who wants to start working on day game and only come across programs that talk about inner game.

What is inner game? (anyone with a good definition let me know.)

I still don't really understand it. I think it means accepting the person who you are and that should be good enough for the woman. I think it means feeling that you are worthy enough, then going for it. It almost sounds like motivational tony robbins type of stuff. (Not that anything is wrong with him). I think it will help me with AA but there is still the problem of what to say next.

I would like to know if VA or anyone from that camp has any programs that deal with day game? Not strictly inner game either. I will work on my inner game as I work on my outter game. I find that the guys who are directly from the VA camp are solid with their game, and more importantly in teaching it. They specifically state to NOT use routines after a month or two (or longer if need be) because by that time you will have your own material that relates directly to your life. Canned routines are only supposed to help you practice delivery, and only for a short period of time. On the DVD Lovedrop specifically states that he NEVER uses routines or canned openers - but teaches them because they help you get started.

I met with a group in my area before we went out sarging and the leader almost chastised me for getting in front of them and showing a canned opener that I wanted to use. I felt bad and unsure of myself because while they spoke of inner game I still wasn't given any instruction as to what to do. Then when we all went out I opened someone with the same canned material that I had. It resulted in a 30 min. long conversation. Social proof! Go figure. Nice.

Personally I find that the phases of the MM are what helps me the most, not the actual routines. The phases help me know where I am, and what to accomplish for each area of the interaction. I want to know if it still applies to day game. Also, if you look at most of the guys who propose inner game, you will notice that they all practiced MM and routines first. They went through the process and became better and realized that they don't have to use other peoples routines. Sooooo, they made up their own routines. They still use lines over and over, and stories over and over. It's simply ones that they came up with. It's still routines, just unique ones. That's my belief.

Just the other night a female asked me "so what do you do for a living?" I responded "Guess?" This led to more playing, then opened up a 20 minute long interaction talking about careers, how I got there, where I'm going, where she is in her career, how she got there, etc. Without the original grounding routine from MM I would not have done this. Normally I would just given the job title then that's it. Lame...

In any event you have to use what works. When you find a good system for learning day game let me know. If it involves a canned routine or two I don't mind. It wont be there for long.

[ThePlayBook]

That's the cool part, it happens that quickly. Guys just assume way too quickly that compliments don't work during the day. That everybody does it. That girls hear them so often. But I've heard so many times something along of the line of wow, nobody has ever said that to me before. The direct compliment, during the day(because this is this Day Game Forum, this doesnt work as good during the night/needs some adaptation, check out Sean Messenger and Johhny Soporno's stuff) is a strong Demonstration of Higher Value. It takes balls of steel to walk up to a girl, keep your frame, and being able to talk slowly/confidently while maintaining strong EC. After that you banter/laugh, which is another DHV. You might show that you aware of the crazy situation which you just created, which shows congruence and social intuition, another DHV. So you have confidence, humor and social intuition. I think thats a fantastic start to lead the interaction to a phoneclose, facebookclose, instant dateclose or more.

Yea but thats all over the idea of having proper conditioning in the first place to make it happen. If you do more power to you to run it that way.

What it boils down to is either you have it or you don't. Techniques and methods aside, theres multiple paths to success.. the idea is that your venturing only down the successful paths that lead somewhere, and not choosing dead end paths. And women notice it as that as well, either "yes" he has it or "no" hes a chump.

Keepin it tight and making it happen.

[skyward]

I usually just tell a girl I had to meet her, and that she looks gorgeous. Then I release the pressure by making her laugh/some light banter.

What sort of thing would you say to 'release the pressure' or stack forwards? I've not really tried much day game but think it could be rewarding. :)

[AFC Ajax]

What sort of thing would you say to 'release the pressure' or stack forwards? I've not really tried much day game but think it could be rewarding. :)

Hey man, it's more rewarding to me than indirect game. That is, because if if the girl says no, she'll say it with a big ass smile while being flattered.

Well, use humor to release the pressure.

If she throws in a boyfriend objection: Hey, don't go so fast. I was thinking about a good conversation or a drink. I need lots of comfort before we start talking about relationships.

Or: you only have ONE boyfriend?! You should have like seven, one for every day of the week! What's up with that, you know what I'll volunteer for Friday-boyfriend.

Otherwise: yeah, I bet this kind of stuff (guys approaching her) happens to you all the time, especially since the sun is hot and is making the guys go crazy ( it's summer here in Amsterdam). Yeah you probably have to get violent! to keep them off!
Or: so, what are you up to? I bet you were walking here just so all the boys could flirt with you (if she stands on a corner, or is walking along the street) / Boys are waiting in line for you

Check out Souls and SashaPUA's material, both is worth its weight in gold!

Or try a redirect: ask her for the time while wearing a watch. Then smile, and proceed with your direct opener: did you notice, I was trying to flirt with you. I had to say you look gorgeous. (Using a redirect you get humor in before the opener)

Ill write more a bit later

[Turboorav]

Cool stuff, I think I shall try direct and situational openers aswell at day time. Now...into the woods to find my balls ;)

[skyward]

I like it. Thanks.

[Sincerelee]

1- Are openers like 'The Ring' & 'Jealous Girlfriend' Opener , really needed?
Openers do work. I usually open with a neg about an item of clothing. Like:
"Wow, that is some dress. What'd you do, have an accident while painting zebras?" (Or anything wierd like that) While other guys comment on how pretty she is, you are making her think you are talking to her despite having a style issue.

If a woman is extra knock out gorgeous, I have used, "I don't knowwho you dressed up for, but I am grateful you allowed me to see it." Then, stack forward immediately.

A friend who is successful at daygame swears by going direct. I think it works for him because his looks are so under-the-radar non-threatening that he could say anything and they would not worry. I am such an imposing figure that I have to be more subtle.

2- Do I build comfort by immediately commenting on something she is wearing, reading, doing, etc
Comfort building is part of the entire process, but focus on opening and building attraction.

3- Im pretty sure i need time Constraint, but as i said pretty....do i need one?
Yes, have a time constraint. Until you indicate that you are only staying for a moment, her mind is focusing on, how do I get rid of this guy. When you have an FTC, she will know you are going to leave shortly so she can focus on listening to you.

4- what are the best places to go to?
Anywhere. i daygame on the subway, on the walk from the subway to work, on a park bench, at a red light, at the bus stop, at the mall, at the restaurant.

5- Any body got any solid routines for day game?
In downtown DC, asking for a place to eat, then inviting them to join you.

PUA: "Hey, I am looking for a place to eat. Any suggestions?"
HB: "Well, such and such is good. S&S is over there. What kind of food you want?"
PUA: "Something that reminds me of the time I took a trip to italy. (France, or wherever)...you know, good music, excellent food that makes you are glad to be alive."
HB"(Usually) Oh, wow, I do not know of anything like that around here."
PUA: "That's cool. Where have you eaten around here that you like?"
HB: "Blah, blah, blah..."
PUA: "That's awesome! How do I get there?"
HB: "Blah, blah, blah..."
PUA: "You, know, i was just thinking...you know what would make it taste really good? If you would join me."...wait..."Going dutch, of course. I don't want you thinking I owe you something. It will take more than lunch and a smile to get me."

[Keko]

^^^^i am jacking down the base of that convo...nice shit & thank you

[Cuisine]

Hey! I'm a coach (and i specialize in Daygame). Here are a few quick answers.

1. You can open more situationally in daygame, especially with lone wolves. I often open with banter or negs. You can use opinion openers with groups...something like that one about needing a present for a female relative...should work well in malls.

2. Start with attraction. You could bust her on something she is wearing or eating if you want but there are various ways of building attraction.

3. Use it when it makes sense to. Sometimes in daygame (i.e. on line) a time constraint is built in.

4. Depends on where you live. Malls. Sidewalk approaches. College campuses. etc.

5. A lot of the normal routines work in day and night game. Roleplay does for sure. You are trouble. You are my fashion consultant. Roleplay you as a couple or as married.

-Cuisine
Daygamer.net

Ok, im going to start running day game & Im wondering a couple things

1- Are openers like 'The Ring' & 'Jealous Girlfriend' Opener , really needed?

2- Do I build comfort by immediately commenting on something she is wearing, reading, doing, etc

3- Im pretty sure i need time Constraint, but as i said pretty....do i need one?

4- what are the best places to go to?

5- Any body got any solid routines for day game?

=)

[Keko]

thanks famalam^^^il give it a shot this weekend