The Secret

[Czech]

Thinking positively all the time generates a positive reality, etc. etc. Does anyone use 'The Secret' to improve their inner game? Or do most of you think it's just New Age thinking?

I mean, it's great to feel good and confident all the time. Just look at pre-selected, alpha males. Because they are already surrounded by women in both their thoughts and reality, they continue to attract more women.

Thoughts/opinions?

[BigJohnson]

As far as your outlook is concerned of course it works to help improve your life.

The opposing idea is viewing everything negatively, and thinking negative thoughts. Though, the idea of positively also has some tricky framing. For instance.

Say you buy a lottery ticket. Then you take your "positive idea" mentality and say "I'm going to win! Because I think positively!" All the while you don't win, and you continue not to win. What do you think that does over time? It will create a person who sees even bad things positively, it will act as more of a mask over reality. It will have you doubting this whole "positive ideas make things happen" mentality.

Now say you buy a lottery ticket and say, "Sweet I could win some big cash!" But when you lose, you say "Oh well" and DISCARD negativity, and move on.

Some people just choose to take positive thoughts and apply them incorrectly. The key is discarding negativity. Once it is gone, positivity and contentedness are free to rise. Once you brain is clear of negativity there is a void you open to be filled. Fill it with that moment your alive, awake, and present. Joy flows.

The idea is to not become attached to negativity, and act it out as the idea of "you." Once you begin to get caught up in a world where negativity is always apparent, you block off joy and positivity.

People loath over even the smallest of things and carry it around all day. Its unnecessary, life is too short.

[azazels_wolf]

Thinking positively all the time generates a positive reality, etc. etc. Does anyone use 'The Secret' to improve their inner game? Or do most of you think it's just New Age thinking?

I mean, it's great to feel good and confident all the time. Just look at pre-selected, alpha males. Because they are already surrounded by women in both their thoughts and reality, they continue to attract more women.

Thoughts/opinions?

I definitely subscribe to the ideas within "The Secret" and similar philosophies - I firmly believe that our inner worlds create and give rise to our outer worlds. Once I applied positive thinking on a regular basis with long-term dedication, it really made a big difference for me.

I believe that in inner silence we have access to our true Being with all its potential, and once we can tap into that effectively, we can then use positive thought, visualization and intent to create our reality.



The opposing idea is viewing everything negatively, and thinking negative thoughts. Though, the idea of positively also has some tricky framing. For instance.

Say you buy a lottery ticket. Then you take your "positive idea" mentality and say "I'm going to win! Because I think positively!" All the while you don't win, and you continue not to win. What do you think that does over time? It will create a person who sees even bad things positively, it will act as more of a mask over reality. It will have you doubting this whole "positive ideas make things happen" mentality.

Now say you buy a lottery ticket and say, "Sweet I could win some big cash!" But when you lose, you say "Oh well" and DISCARD negativity, and move on.

Some people just choose to take positive thoughts and apply them incorrectly.


This is indeed an incorrect application. We do need to remember that the universe has infinite possibilities available to us, but we also need to be open-minded as to how our goals can be achieved. In the above case, that person would find it much more effective to focus on growing his wealth and welcoming prosperity into his life, and acting on the opportunities he receives, rather than hoping to win a game with a 1-in-500 million chance or whatever based on numbers picked by a machine. He is not opening the door properly to all the possibilities the universe has to offer him, many of which may be much BETTER for him in the long run than the lottery. We need to be open to achieving the best results for all involved, rather than obsessing over one particular outcome which may in fact just be our egos being closed-minded and stubborn.


The key is discarding negativity. Once it is gone, positivity and contentedness are free to rise. Once you brain is clear of negativity there is a void you open to be filled. Fill it with that moment your alive, awake, and present. Joy flows.

The idea is to not become attached to negativity, and act it out as the idea of "you." Once you begin to get caught up in a world where negativity is always apparent, you block off joy and positivity.

People loath over even the smallest of things and carry it around all day. Its unnecessary, life is too short.

Not only to discard negativity, but also to actively utilize the creative abilities of our mind, backed by strong and clear intent. Once we have released this intent out into the universe, we indeed should then be fully in the moment, present, allowing joy to flow while we trust the process to manifest for us.

I know this sounds like "New Age thinking" but I've found it, along with many other spiritually-based technologies and methods, to be far from bullshit, but rather life-changing in very positive ways.

So Czech, I'll give you a challenge: Dedicate one month, fully, to applying "The Secret" with dedication on a DAILY basis. Be open to all the amazing and wonderful possibilities. Don't allow yourself to give up or get discouraged, or to lapse in your efforts. If you do find that happening, pick it up again as immediately as possible. And then observe, after that month has passed, what has changed within your reality. If you are pleased with the results, you should continue with renewed encouragement. If you are not pleased with the results, then at least you answered your own question for yourself with no harm done. Many do find, however, that positive changes start happening long before that one month has passed. :)

[BigJohnson]

Yes Wolf. You are very articulate. :D

I'm not familiar with the concept of "The Secret." I'm going to assume its similar to both ancient and modern concepts on perspective and spirituality, with yet another name, and another "creator" of the idea.


In my experience, if you leave no room for negativity it has no where to exist.


Not only to discard negativity, but also to actively utilize the creative abilities of our mind, backed by strong and clear intent. Once we have released this intent out into the universe, we indeed should then be fully in the moment, present, allowing joy to flow while we trust the process to manifest for us.


It sounds like something only experience can really grasp. Its difficult to take the words and put yourself in a position to truly realize what it means. Especially if the mind is so very clouded and confused.

To observe and make conscious light of the process makes it much easier to replicate.

Just as with meditation, and focusing on being present. At first it is difficult and brief, its rather challenging to quiet the mind. As you observe yourself enter presence, and slip out of presence, it becomes easier and easier to catch yourself and hold presence. Eventually presence is sustained without effort. It becomes a constant stream of being.

[enigma104]

Im not sure what the secret is,can you elaborate a bit?
I just wrote an article about what I find useful forr bumping up inner game
you can read it on my website linked in my sig

[azazels_wolf]

The Secret is a book and film based on the "Law of Attraction" .... the idea has certainly been around for a long time, but it's also said to be backed by quantum physics.

Here's an overview of the use of the Law:

According to proponents of this law, thoughts have an energy which attracts whatever it is the person is thinking of. In order to control this energy to one's advantage, proponents state that people must practice four things:
Know exactly what you want.
Ask the universe for it.
Feel, behave and know as if the object of your desire is already yours (visualize).
Be open to receive it and let go of (the attachment to) the outcome.Thinking of what one does not have, they say, manifests itself in not having, while if one abides by these principles, and avoids "negative" thoughts, the universe will manifest a person's desires.
And this can apply to anything, any area of your life. Notice the similarities to some well-known inner game techniques within the community? ;)

[Kelevra]

I seen the movie, and it is very inspiring, but the theory is flawed in many many ways. This theory is using some sound science and psychology, like visualization and positive thinking, to make ridiculous claims. (like all scams and BS) My ex was into it so I dug further into the origins of the secret.

Come to find out, its some lady who allows a “spirit” or some “being” to enter her body… and give seminars!!! Naturally these seminars are not free… go figure. I forget the name of the being but I seen her enter the trance… and its really fucking lame. Oh ya… its Abraham.

All she is, is a skillful public speaker who is selling something. She is very skillful because as I watched the movie I remember feeling like she had an emotional impact on me when she spoke. And I didn’t even know she was the creator of this product/theory when I saw the movie.

The quantum physics part is a new science that is interesting. You should look up What The Bleep Do We Know??? It even has some of the same scientific speakers that were in the secret. It has some interesting tests that involve intent and physical changes in reality. Im going to try and find the actual published studies so I can see for myself. But it is very interesting. Although there is a speaker in there who is all… creepy and philosophical just for the sake of it. But the double slit test and the water crystals seem very interesting.

I study psychology as my major. I believe there is a very real affect on your life based on whether you think positive or negative. But the secret says thinking positive will bring things to you, things will even manifest on their own, just because you thought it. All sickness is just negative thoughts and disease is just being in a state of “Dis-ease” as the one motivational speaker from the secret puts it. You can think as positive as you want to, but if you have unprotected sex with someone who has aids… all the thoughts in the world wont save you.

Real positive and negative thinking effects peoples lives because of the choices they make, and the subtle subconscious behaviors they take on. People who are miserable and always complain about not having any friends who care about them, and talk about all the bad things that happen to them, and how nobody cares about them… are really fucking annoying. And because they behave that way… they drive off anyone who tries to be their friend. And nobody ends up caring because they are too depressing to hang around. Self fulfilling prophecy’s are real, but they are based on your actions, choices, and subtle behaviors. Not on the universe handing you everything you ever imagined.

They also use a twist on a psychological perspective that the mind can not think in negative terms. Like being told not to think of an elephant. You have to think of the elephant first.

They are saying the UNIVERSE is the same way and does not distinguish the difference between the things you want and the things you don’t want. If you say you don’t want debt, you will be in debt. If you want a basket ball, one will fall out of the sky.

But later they say if you think this stuff doesn’t work… then it wont work. WHAT??? But if there are no negatives in the universe then the word doesn’t cant exist and the sentence would be “this stuff work.” Which means based on their own mythology that this stuff should be working because the universe doesn’t care if you want it to work or not. But no, having THOSE negative thoughts about their system doesn’t work the same about having negative thoughts about debt in their previous example. For some reason its different (because its BS) The best way to sell BS is to tell people they need to believe in it enough for it to work, and if it doesn’t work, then they aren’t believing enough and doubt it too much. Of course they doubt it, because somewhere in their minds they know its BS… they just ignore that logic in hopes for miracles.

They contradict themselves plenty of times for anyone paying attention to really notice. Buying into it is not paying attention. When you buy into shit, you only see what you want to see, and you don’t see the discrepancies.

It is a good video tho. Inspirational and motivating. The music is also very powerful as I recall. Just know that it came from a lady who allows a spirit to enter her body and give seminars that are not free. It is a product. It is mainly BS. Im going to write pen and telling and ask them to do an episode about this.

[RAMM]

I doubt there exists something like a "positive thing" and a "negative thing" out there in the world. We decide what is positive and what is negative ourselves. Therefor there is no way to apply the law of attraction incorrectly. You might get very different results from what others get.. you might even become a homeless person, while another might become a rich man. So it seems like the first person's life is negative. But it is negative acording to the other person's view of positive/negative. In the end, what matters is how well you're doing on your own scale. So we seek money and fame and beautiful girls, but the same bliss we can achieve by having this, someone else might achieve by living alone with the animals on some mountain. There is no ultimate methaphysical value in anything we do or have, except maybe in what one feels is right or positive for himself and himself alone.

Anyway.. quantum mechanics didn't need to be so washed up.. that's the only reason I prefer What the bleep to The secret. It's for the simple minded, which I'm not.

P.S. with "positive thinking"... wait.. let me restate this, with quantum mechanics awareness you DO can be able to influence lottery.
That's hard because other people are using quantum mechanics to get their own numbers.. there's... conflict ^^

[Sincerelee]

I got the book from a fellow PUA who said it helped him a lot. I read it and found it to be a rehash of stuff I read 20 years ago.

More particular to the book, though, and is why I stopped reading halrff way through, is the idea that bad things happen because of bad thoughts placing people where bad things are attracted.

A perfect example that flies in the face of this illogic is The World Trade Center on 9/11.

The WTC was a keey locale of some of the nation's, and even world's richest people, and riches is one of the things "The Secret" perports to bring about. So with the author's logic, these were people of great positive thinking. Yet, one of the worst tradgedies of the 21st Centrury took place there.

Bad things do not happen because victims were thinking bad thoughts. Bad things happen because we live in a cursed world and evil is a reality, and that evil is expressed in bad actions, often which cause harm to the innocent.

This kind of thinking is why several well-meaning but mis-guided people can fail to feel compassion for the family of a loved one killed mercilessly yet have all sorts of compassion for the unrepentant murderer.

Thinking positively does help to build confidence and drive to achieve, though. But taken to the extreme of claiming that thinking positively enough will bring about something is hogwash.

However, thinking negatively causes one to stagnate, and even not attempt the achievable because one is already failed in one's own mind.

So, think positive, but be realistic. Otherwise, you will destroy your touch with reality.

A practice we used in Tung Soo Do training was visualization. That is, before our belt tests and tournaments, we sat with eyes closed, going through the entire hyung (kata) or taking our opponent with perfection. Then, we would go after our goal, allowing what we envisioned to become reality as it replayed while we were acheiving it.

We weren't always successful, but it prepped us and made us more successful than before we started doing it.

[RAMM]

A perfect example that flies in the face of this illogic is The World Trade Center on 9/11.

The WTC was a keey locale of some of the nation's, and even world's richest people, and riches is one of the things "The Secret" perports to bring about. So with the author's logic, these were people of great positive thinking. Yet, one of the worst tradgedies of the 21st Centrury took place there.



LOL
Ask G. Bush and the Rockefellers if the 9/11 attack was negative either positive.
I just guess they were more POSITIVE than the people inside the towers.
I mean.. they filled those buildings with C4... and everything went according to plan. Bush made bilions from Lloyds insurance, and the Rockefellers managed to get the US to send more troops in Iraq with money borrowed from them. A total success. Talking about positive people... I can't even believe you americans do nothing about this shit.. makes me sick to just think about it.. I'd be starting a fucking revolution by now if I were there.. I'd start fucking civil war against the establishment..
Now all of this bullshit is having consequences not only on your country but also on the rest of the world with this fake BS economical "crisis" and the so called "suine flu" which is another lie.. I'd be killing for this shit.. anyway.. sorry .. I get carried away

[Kelevra]

I deleted the hostile reply

[Sincerelee]

Let's not turn this thread into a Fight Club contender. If you want to argue 9/11, start a thread an see who responds.

[Kelevra]

I don’t.

Your right lets squash this now.

Sorry RAMM, just got out of a 1 yr relationship to a Russian girl who always talked shit. The most hypocritical nonsense I have ever heard. When I told her to shut the fuck up finally, and research some historical documents that weren’t created in Russia… lets say our relationship didn’t last much more then a couple weeks after that.

So that was a little wash over from that whole exp. I have no desire to talk about politics and I do not think this is the place for it.

This particular thread is about inner game. Ima keep it that way.

Again the secret has some inspirational stuff. But know the source is all im saying.

[RAMM]

Seems like you been watching Zeitgeist or something very similar to it.

And if our situation is causing so much trouble for the world… then why don’t you do something about it? You say you cant stand us for not doing anything about our country. Then take up arms, or whatever you do, and do something to better the WORLD you live in. Go convince your government to go to war against our government. Because that’s what your saying us stupid American’s should be doing.

If you can convince your government to attack the United States. Then I will have seen the awesome power of the individual, and I will make it my life crusade to right all political America wrongs from the inside out.

And if you think our leaders are capable of blowing up a building, killing however many of our own citizens, and getting their own way to start a war. What makes you think we elected him in the first place? What makes you think, that with all that power and manipulation, that our elections are based on what the people want?

Stop thinking with your emotions and use logic. If they can blow up entire buildings in the most populated part of our world. Wtf is stopping them from crushing your so called revolution. It wouldn’t even hit the media. Not to mention most of our large media networks are closely associated with political parties. Remember, they passed acts that allow them to spy on us. In the name of security. Security indeed. Their own security.

I hate people who hate people because of the decisions of some political jackasses.

Im not saying whether I think all these conspiracy theory’s are true or not. That’s my private opinions. But before gunning off at the mouth (or keyboard) us your brains.

Please do not take this personally. Of course attacking your country would be idiotic. It's not the country itself. It's not something other countries can do. If I were american, and saw 2000 people killed by my own government, well you americans are what, about 300 milions? I'd be going with a milion people by the white house ....You see, they are not strong. They controll people's minds but they are afraid. Because if people stopped accepting the shit they're fed, they could destroy the whole BS system quite easily.
I love america believe me.. I love a lot of things there.. a lot more then Italy. This was not meant to be an insult. I'm having a bad day(week...month..) and am very pissed. Ofcourse I'm being emotional and irational. But that's what gets things done. It's not that you cannot do anything about it. It's that ytou either don't know what's going on and believe what they tell you, OR you are afraid. I dunno.
You see, no one passes acts.. no one sets rules, there's no god giving them power... they just "hey let's try feed this into people and see how it works", and more often then not it does work. What if they said being gay is illegal out of the blue. Wouldn't people start a civil war? Instead, any coltrol they want to chieve on people they start little. They start with fear. When will people notice? the fucking rest of the world is noticing. I mean, again it's not your country and probably not even your government, but whoever is.. rebel or something. We're heading straight into world war three, soon it's gonna be too late for what people could have started doing some 8 years ago.

Also, the same shit is starting to happen in europe too, like that flu.. they want to vaccinate everyone in a few months.. I mean if people let them do this to them then they're stupid and do deserve everything that's happening to them. I mean, the tween towers bomb attack in the '90... you could have stopped a second one. Same shit happened in vietnam and world war 2, but they had the excuse of being ignorant, of not having access to THIS knowledge. We have friggin' internet nowadays. We do know what's going on if we are interested to find out.

Nothing personal. And yes.. I did see Zeitgeist, but I've done some other research to see if that stuff was for real. It is all coming to an end you know...

[RAMM]

sorry.. I was replying before you deleted it..

It's not hostile towards anyone here, sorry..
I can delete it if you want.

Hey..that movie.. Sle7in.. I love it.. He's so totally alpha :)

[BigJohnson]

LOL
Ask G. Bush and the Rockefellers if the 9/11 attack was negative either positive.
I just guess they were more POSITIVE than the people inside the towers.
I mean.. they filled those buildings with C4... and everything went according to plan. Bush made bilions from Lloyds insurance, and the Rockefellers managed to get the US to send more troops in Iraq with money borrowed from them. A total success. Talking about positive people... I can't even believe you americans do nothing about this shit.. makes me sick to just think about it.. I'd be starting a fucking revolution by now if I were there.. I'd start fucking civil war against the establishment..
Now all of this bullshit is having consequences not only on your country but also on the rest of the world with this fake BS economical "crisis" and the so called "suine flu" which is another lie.. I'd be killing for this shit.. anyway.. sorry .. I get carried away

Your right.

Our country's population is taking the form of machines limited "programmed behavior." Their fuel - television, and all major forms of widespread media, and their ego, the desire to fit in.

If you hear and see one thing over, and over, and over again.. Eventually your unconscious movement with the heard will override rational logic.

A civil war is no good.

The cheapest way to desecrate a nation of people is to turn them against each other.

[azazels_wolf]

Yeah, unfortunately I'm gonna have to move this to Fight Club. Guys, if you have an inflammatory topic, please START A NEW THREAD rather than ruining what was previously a good and productive discussion. :(
RAMM, that goes for you too - as much as we get along, please respect the Mod Team's duties and what we're trying to accomplish and maintain here.


You can think as positive as you want to, but if you have unprotected sex with someone who has aids… all the thoughts in the world wont save you.


Positive thinking is indeed no excuse for ignorance or recklessness. It is part of a whole, and must be supported with proper ACTION.


Self fulfilling prophecy’s are real, but they are based on your actions, choices, and subtle behaviors. Not on the universe handing you everything you ever imagined.


Sometimes the universe has brought me things beyond my imagining.... my actions and behaviors are all causes that have effects, yes, but sometimes those manifestations are almost coincidental or miraculous in some respects, in that context. But I know they're not.


But later they say if you think this stuff doesn’t work… then it wont work. WHAT??? But if there are no negatives in the universe then the word doesn’t cant exist and the sentence would be “this stuff work.” Which means based on their own mythology that this stuff should be working because the universe doesn’t care if you want it to work or not.


No, you're misunderstanding - it won't work because, in this example, you would continue on with your same negative thoughts, affirming all the negativity about yourself and the world, and continuing with the same negative actions, not because of simply thinking "it won't work". It would fail because you continue on with the same old crap.
"Insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results."


They contradict themselves plenty of times for anyone paying attention to really notice. Buying into it is not paying attention. When you buy into shit, you only see what you want to see, and you don’t see the discrepancies.


It is shit to you, but to me it's far from shit. I can't begin to describe the blessings.... it is a portion of a much greater understanding and body of knowledge that I have lived and known to be true, for me. And I wish to share that gift with whoever is open to it. Those who are not open to it.... *shrug* That is fine, that is your choice.

And just because something is a product doesn't mean it's any less valid. As for the spirit claims, I believe you are referring to Ramtha and her seminars, rather than Rhonda Burne herself (author of The Secret). Channeling is a whole separate topic, let's not bring it into this thread. Rhonda Burne did not claim to be channeling anything - she developed the book through her own researches into the previous works and lives of successful people.


P.S. RAMM, please don't post any more theoretical violence stuff, it's not appropriate here and you are putting yourself at risk for the kind of attention you don't want. Please think before posting.

[RAMM]

Sorry man, I didn't want to ruin the thread.. you know it was a bad day, I was mad because of things unrelated to this thread or forum. Me and Kelevra took it on PM. :)

As for putting myself at risk.. I'm an artist man.. :D I have to speak up ^^
I am gonna get killed sooner or later.. but I'd never keep my mouth shut because of fear. Plus I wasn't trying to form my own army ahahahah
But thanks anyway.

So anyway.. from the secret, I started using the vision boards a few months ago.. they're somewhere in my room where I can see 'em.. and while they didn't seem to work at first, I did see some improvement on those things after some time. Not that anything is better in my life right no.. it's actually worse but still, I might have been asking for the wrong things. I should paint some wise old man, to enlighten myself! :D

[azazels_wolf]

Sorry man, I didn't want to ruin the thread.. you know it was a bad day, I was mad because of things unrelated to this thread or forum. Me and Kelevra took it on PM. :)


Thank you.... but you do say "unrelated to this thread or forum"..... so why take unrelated matters and allow them to influence your behavior here? It doesn't accomplish anything for you here, and it doesn't make your other problems any better either.



As for putting myself at risk.. I'm an artist man.. :D I have to speak up ^^
I am gonna get killed sooner or later.. but I'd never keep my mouth shut because of fear. Plus I wasn't trying to form my own army ahahahah
But thanks anyway.


There is a difference between being an artist and speaking up, vs. saying things that could be misinterpreted as threats by people you do not want attention from. You must calibrate, and as an artist you are capable of expressing yourself in very smart and poignant ways. So use that.



So anyway.. from the secret, I started using the vision boards a few months ago.. they're somewhere in my room where I can see 'em.. and while they didn't seem to work at first, I did see some improvement on those things after some time. Not that anything is better in my life right no.. it's actually worse but still, I might have been asking for the wrong things. I should paint some wise old man, to enlighten myself! :D

You have not been consistent in the application. I know this due to what you have told me and the kinds of thoughts that you have going through your head on a regular basis.

You remember what the state of being fully present was like, as opposed to what state you're normally in. Use it. The thoughts you are indulging in are a choice. Most of the emotions you are maintaining are a choice. Remove these things from your mind, come back into the Now, and use what you know from What the Bleep.... and continue to be present like you were.

Remember the last several months, all the things that changed? All these things can change again.
And remember what you DO have right now.... things that you wanted for so long. Be thankful for that, and you will receive more.
There is no need for this bitterness. You are alive, remember? You are alive and you are loved. And you have freedom. Make the most of it. Wallowing in bitterness is not making the most of it.

[Kelevra]

First off azazels_wolf, nothing but respect for you bro. Love your posts. I hope my disagreeing with you wont cause any negativity between us. Because I love debate and discussion, and although I do disagree. I mean no disrespect.

BUT when i said shit i meant it as a general term for stuff. I just have a potty mouth.

You didn’t touch on the fact that they claim “Dis-ease” is only a matter of negative thoughts. And everyone on earth who has a disease or medical condition is really to blame for their own conditions. Because they are simply not at ease with the universe. That’s what they said in the movie at least. I want to hear your thoughts on that.

Also if everyone controls their own lives, and what happens to them, and what they get from the universe, then what about the children? They even used a child in the movie to show how positive thinking can manifest the exact bike he wanted.

Without giving tasteless details… what about all the horrible, grotesque, and down right awful things that happen to innocent children every day? Some so young they don’t even know what death is… and yet they die. If they don’t know and cant understand something… how did they call it into their lives?

The secret states multiple times that you are the source of everything in your life. The good AND the bad. Nobody else can make a difference, just you. Your relationships suck because you worry about them, your in debt because you worry about it, and you call all these things into your life.

How can it be true, when most children can only think about candy, loving their mothers and fathers, and never worrying or being afraid of anything? Except maybe spiders. How can all the bad things that happen to those children happen if the “Law” of attraction is so real?

And im sorry but yes, the fact that the “secret” is a product does make it less valid. There is internet, there is limitless possibility to spread joy and bring happiness into peoples lives, if a secret to happiness was truly found and the motivation behind the book/movie was to spread such a joyous thing. Motive is a huge part of something being valid or not. Even our awful judicial system knows that. The motive behind writing a book and making a movie are sales, or else they would be free on the internet.

On the upside, positive thinking can def change your life. But telling people they get sick, or ill because they are not “at ease” is a terrible thing to imply. I want her to go tell children with terminal cancer, or severe burns, that all they have to do is think positive… and their cancer will be cured or their scars will all go away. Children are the quickest to believe full heartedly in things… so this should cure and heal most of them. Based on the law of attraction at least.

I know my examples are extreme, but if it doesn’t apply to extremes and it only applies to the mundane then again… that makes it invalid and just BS. Especially if it’s a law.

Again, the best thing to sell someone is The Emperor’s New Clothes. If you tell people it works, and only doesn’t work because they aren’t thinking positive enough. It is the same as saying there is indeed clothing there and only the stupid or incompetent can’t see the quality of fabric that made the emperors new clothes. People who sell things… will tell you exactly what you want to hear.

[RAMM]

Am I LOVED? Really? I don't see that.

You know, of that "being present" state.. nothing has stayed. If I look back it's not something tangible. Doesn't look like an achievement. Yeah it felt good back then, but is not something you keep. At the end of that, nothing was built, nothing is real. It's just like taking a drug that makes you feel good. I haven't been sleeping much for days now so I'm a bit emotionally shaken, just never mind me..

[dr_webber]

the book "Think and Grow Rich" has a chapter called "The Man Who Thought Himself to Riches".
The Secret seems like bullshit to me, obviously if you keep a goal in your mind you will be on your way to achieving it but not by just thinking about it.
these books over exaggerate the thinking stuff.

[azazels_wolf]

First off azazels_wolf, nothing but respect for you bro. Love your posts. I hope my disagreeing with you wont cause any negativity between us. Because I love debate and discussion, and although I do disagree. I mean no disrespect.


Thanks man, and you're always welcome to disagree. Thank you for doing it calmly and maturely though - discussions are much more productive when free from hostility!



BUT when i said shit i meant it as a general term for stuff. I just have a potty mouth.


LOL :D
*hands Kelevra the bar of soap*



You didn’t touch on the fact that they claim “Dis-ease” is only a matter of negative thoughts. And everyone on earth who has a disease or medical condition is really to blame for their own conditions. Because they are simply not at ease with the universe. That’s what they said in the movie at least. I want to hear your thoughts on that.


According to the Law of Attraction, you can either attract health or disease. There are different ways to look at this. Negative thinking, especially anxiety over health, gives rise to negative emotions, which

1) Increases stress levels - which has a negative impact on health and especially the immune system's ability to FIGHT disease

2) Can cause depression, which also depresses immune system response

3) Releases certain biochemicals and stress hormones into the body which can actually become addictive, predisposing you to seeking out or creating MORE stress, which over the long-term also has a negative effect on health

So the negative thinking certainly doesn't do you any favors as far as your health is concerned.

I have, however, known people who were able to reverse chronic or long-term conditions within a matter of weeks or months, using a combination of positive thought and energy-healing techniques. And I have also experienced this to be very powerful, myself...

In the secret, Byrne states:

On the subject of health I would like to leave you with these illuminated words from Dr. Ben Johnson, “We are now entering the era of energy medicine. Everything in the Universe has a frequency and all you have to do is change a frequency or create an opposite frequency. That’s how easy it is to change anything in the world, whether that’s disease or emotional issues or whatever that is. This is huge. This is the biggest thing that we have ever come across.”


I know that might sound way out there, so I'm only offering my viewpoint, not giving any medical advice here. But, again from my perspective and experience - changing the frequency of our thoughts, and of the energy that permeates our bodies, can truly result in healing. Not just IMAGINED healing, but real, physical results. If this healing is possible, then is the opposite (creating/attracting disease or lack of health) also possible, perhaps?



Also if everyone controls their own lives, and what happens to them, and what they get from the universe, then what about the children? They even used a child in the movie to show how positive thinking can manifest the exact bike he wanted.

Without giving tasteless details… what about all the horrible, grotesque, and down right awful things that happen to innocent children every day? Some so young they don’t even know what death is… and yet they die. If they don’t know and cant understand something… how did they call it into their lives?

The secret states multiple times that you are the source of everything in your life. The good AND the bad. Nobody else can make a difference, just you. Your relationships suck because you worry about them, your in debt because you worry about it, and you call all these things into your life.

How can it be true, when most children can only think about candy, loving their mothers and fathers, and never worrying or being afraid of anything? Except maybe spiders. How can all the bad things that happen to those children happen if the “Law” of attraction is so real?


*nod* Understood, and a good question.
If they don't know and can't understand it... they didn't call it into their lives. They are however, part of a society that co-creates on a daily basis. What they experience and encounter is a manifestation of what other people have thought and done everyday, with conscious awareness and understanding. What adults focus on and call into THEIR lives, can and must also affect children. When the adults change, so do the lives and experiences of the children within that environment.

"Worry" btw is not the only factor involved in the Law of Attraction. Deep-seated beliefs, patterns of thought.... things that you focus on or play over and over in your head... these all have an effect.



And im sorry but yes, the fact that the “secret” is a product does make it less valid.


Using that logic, then the Venusian Arts are also less valid because it is a product as well. Yet you seem to consider it valid enough to be part of this forum, perhaps to even practice them yourself?



There is internet, there is limitless possibility to spread joy and bring happiness into peoples lives, if a secret to happiness was truly found and the motivation behind the book/movie was to spread such a joyous thing. Motive is a huge part of something being valid or not. Even our awful judicial system knows that. The motive behind writing a book and making a movie are sales, or else they would be free on the internet.


The entire movie can actually be viewed for free on the website. :)



On the upside, positive thinking can def change your life. But telling people they get sick, or ill because they are not “at ease” is a terrible thing to imply. I want her to go tell children with terminal cancer, or severe burns, that all they have to do is think positive… and their cancer will be cured or their scars will all go away. Children are the quickest to believe full heartedly in things… so this should cure and heal most of them. Based on the law of attraction at least.


First-hand accounts do exist of adults who cured their own cancer in this way....
I do believe however that for very serious conditions in which time is of the essence, aside from the obvious need to continue with professional medical help, that a skillful energy healer can be more effective in an immediate context. This requires knowledge and skill over and above simple positive thinking. It is a healing art which can influence the frequencies in a manner which manifests quickly, rather than positive thinking alone which can take longer to manifest and be more easily overridden in the meantime. The art of energy healing is yet another topic though.....



I know my examples are extreme, but if it doesn’t apply to extremes and it only applies to the mundane then again… that makes it invalid and just BS. Especially if it’s a law.

Again, the best thing to sell someone is The Emperor’s New Clothes. If you tell people it works, and only doesn’t work because they aren’t thinking positive enough.


Yeah, but people DO have a hard time being consistent over the long-term with this technique. And that application is very important. You'll see what I mean if you even try it for one DAY - you will most likely have a hard time maintaining it. And that continues to be the case until you replace the old habits with your new ones, which is a gradual process, and requires focus and commitment.



It is the same as saying there is indeed clothing there and only the stupid or incompetent can’t see the quality of fabric that made the emperors new clothes. People who sell things… will tell you exactly what you want to hear.

The idea of the Law of Attraction was around long before The Secret or similar products. It does not originate in a sales pitch.

Anyways, forgive me if it sounds crazy. I've just encountered far too much strange and amazing stuff in my life to be able to negate what I have come to believe through my own experiences - some of which have been truly incredible. Like I said, I consider myself blessed, and I am deeply grateful.


Am I LOVED? Really? I don't see that.

You know, of that "being present" state.. nothing has stayed. If I look back it's not something tangible. Doesn't look like an achievement. Yeah it felt good back then, but is not something you keep. At the end of that, nothing was built, nothing is real. It's just like taking a drug that makes you feel good. I haven't been sleeping much for days now so I'm a bit emotionally shaken, just never mind me..

Yes RAMM, you are. PM me bro, let me know what's up. You gotta break through this.

[Sincerelee]

AW, a secret to my constant positive outlook is a promise from the Bible. Romans 8:28-30,
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.


That is to say, I know, no matter what happens to me...whether it appears good or bad on the surface...is good for me, to make me more Christ-like, and will bring glory to God, which is my chief goal in life.

Many times, I do not understand how things can be good, but trust God's promise that they are.

For example, my situation with my wife. at the time I woke up scared out of my mind when she was screaming like a madman, I could not fathom how going on my own would turn me into the better man that I am today.

When I wrecked my motorcycle, I had no idea that it allowed me to slow my life enough to experience life and absorb every sensation to its fullest.

When I read, "The Game" and found this community, I had no idea how dramatically it would change my life.

But, I knew, from the outset, that all these things happened to me for good.

Unlike "The Secret", I didn't need to think positive thoughts about it, because I knew my God had already willed positive things to come from them.

[Strings]

Your subconcious is the control board for all that is happening around you. Tapping into it is what will grant you the use of the great things that AW is talking about.

Currently, everyone has a certain subconcious view on everything around and about them. Most don't even know if it is positive or negative because it is so subconcious and behind the scenes that it doesn't cross their mind.

That is why when it says "think positive" you have to literally THINK positive until it transfers into your subconcious, in which you will always BE positive. It will be natural, you don't need to try, or force it any longer.

To do this, you need to literally STATE to your subconcious that this is what you want it to put into motion. Your subconcious works in such a way that you do not tell it HOW to do things, you tell it WHAT to do, and it does whatever is needed to meet that end. It is the seat of habits, and the only way to make OR break any habit, is to tap into it.

Creating a habit involves three stages:

Concious - In which you must remember to perform the habit you are trying to form and force yourself to do it. Such as constantly reminding yourself "THINK POSITIVE"

Automatic - In which you begin to remind yourself at all times, instead of after realizing you have done wrong!

Habitual - You don't need to think about it anymore, there is no more reminding. You have formed that habit, you are now POSITIVE.

More On the Subconcious
It is located behind your solar plexus. Ever get the "butterflies" in your stomach when you're nervous? Why are they in your stomach? Its from the thing inside your body, behind the solar plexus called the "Ganglionic Mass" Which is the organ of the Subconcious. It is attached to your cerebral cortex, which is the organ of the Concious, through a string of nerves.

Your Subconcious is a small piece of a much larger pie. This is called the "universal mind" which is the energy surrounding everyone and everything, some people refer to it as "God". This is the only energy that can create from nothing. And as we know, a piece is the same as the whole! So learning how to really use your subconcious will allow you to tap into the universal mind, which is what grants many people, the many things they desire!

I think AW touched on this in a previous post, but, The outer world is a reflection of the Inner world. If you are at war with yourself, you will not have good luck, nothing will ever go right for you...the world will seem at war with you. BUT, if you think positive all the time, and have come to peace within yourself, then everything you desire will be in abundance, remember: MUCH GATHERS MORE.

Last thing I want to touch on is that I noticed earlier in the thread people talking about seeing the positive in everything, no matter how bad it is. I completely agree!! For every negative there MUST ALWAYS be a positive to go with it, EVEN THOUGH it may be unbelievably hard to find..it IS THERE. For every problem, there is an opportunity.

[Kelevra]

I wrote the longest reply in history. Accept for that one female PUA with the longest posts in actual history, cant ever top that.

But I deleted it because it’s the same back and forth stuff. My question is why do they say only you can make a difference in your own life, and then you say other peoples thoughts make a difference too. It cant be only and. That is just poor English.

I also know people who have faith in things, and never get what they ask for. If your life is going well, and we look at successful people and say theirs are going well… its easy to say they follow the secret. Its easy to just say those who don’t get what they want… don’t follow it. But I promise there are FAR more stories of faithful people who believe they are getting better… and then die. Then there are those that get healed.

Its like my argument with my prof about male orgasm. He said if there is no recession period then you didn’t have an orgasm. Meaning if you don’t lose your boner… it wasn’t an orgasm. But I promise you my friend, the first time I had sex without a condom I blew my load 3 times in under 7 minutes. And I was rock hard the entire time. Nothing to be proud of… no doubt. BUT ill be god damned if they weren’t orgasms. BUT because the stupid book said without recession it wasn’t a REAL orgasm… he said I was wrong. Idk if my point is made with this story or not.

The point is its easy to say this is A and this is B. A is A because of abc and B is B because of efg. And when something comes along and doesn’t fit the mold… people will make it fit. I.e. saying they MUST not be thinking inline and positive enough because it didn’t work. Its just too easy to shove people into that in order to force the “fact” that the law of attraction exists.

Can I say again that I do like the movie and it is inspirational? Ill do more research on the origins of the law of attraction.

As for the comments about the bible and god, that’s a heated discussion I wont even be a part of on this forum. If there is one thing I learned from the crusades its not to openly disagree with the Christians.

[Sincerelee]

As for the comments about the bible and god, that’s a heated discussion I wont even be a part of on this forum. If there is one thing I learned from the crusades its not to openly disagree with the Christians.

Especially if your non-orgasmic B was efg and her A was abc.

Dude, the only thing your post did was confuse me. I am seriously trying hard not to laugh.

[dr_webber]

why are people here overcomplicating this topic. the secret is positive thinking nothing more.

what does God, The Bible and getting a boner have to do with the secret?

[Kelevra]

Especially if your non-orgasmic B was efg and her A was abc.

Dude, the only thing your post did was confuse me. I am seriously trying hard not to laugh.

Its ok. I can be kind of confusing to... some people. But fear not my friend. I wasn't really addressing you anyways. So don’t feel bad for not fully understanding my posts.

I have no use for making enemies. Ahh I see now. You’re the one who posted something about the bible. I apologize if I offended you with my remark. It was not my intention… it was supposed to be funny. Maybe even a clever remark to acknowledge your post, but not get involved. It is not my wish to exchange amog-ish remarks about the silliness of our respective posts.

So again I apologize if I offended you or somehow sparked any negative reactions in you.

[RAMM]

Kelevra I must agree with you. That's how systems work. When people want to fit eveything into a system by the wits of their brains they still do it by the force of their byceps.
I don't think this does apply to the law of attraction as well.

In fact the law of attraction DOES NOT EXIST. It does work but it does not exist. There is no such law in the universe. Let me just expand on this a bit.

It's just like the "law of evolution". Or evolutionary theory. Most people believe that there is such a thing as an urge to evolve inside the biolagical beings. Or inside the DNA. But there isn't. Evolution works by chance, and it's influenced by external environmental events and changes. There is such thing as evolution actually. You can't find an organ inside the body that serves evolution. DNA cannot change in a a living being without it meaning cancer. And there is no such thing as a "becoming better because of evolution". There is no will in the world that does keep animals and men become better or different in time. Yet people believe that. Just because they do not understand much about Darwin.

You see.. mountains are eroded by water and wind, they change shape a lot.
But only an idiot would say that the mountain has "shape shifting properties". There's no will of the mountain involved and no organ of the mountain helping it. And there's no will in the world changing the mountains. Thus there's no connection. No law. Same thing with "evolution", whatever that means.

We men created these words. They're not even correct, let alone true.

Now, as for the "law of attraction". There is quantum mechanics on the one side, and consciousness on the other side. Qauntum mechanics is the mechanics of small particles moving BY CHANCE. There is chaos in the quantum world. There is no way of determining what a certain phenomena will behave. Because there are no rules.
When consciousness comes into play, it has incredible effects on quantum world. That is, consciousness does determine how those particles behave. And they only behave that way in the presence of consciousness.
Consciousness expands and contracts. A bacteria has an atomic size of consciousness, thus has some very limited power over the environment. As we go up with more complex animals, they have more and more power over the environment, but non of them is fully conscious.
We are. We men have a wide range of sizes in consciousness.
You see, if your consciousness/awareness is strong enough, you can control quantum interactions which in turn control some biger events.
You can affect lottery for example. It has been shown that electric devices made to generate casual numbers do in fact generate the numers one wants them to generate, simply by thinking about it. That is applied quantum mechanics. On a larger scale, yes, thinking the right way does bring "miraculously" stuff into your life.

The law of attraction is not real. Not something metaphisical. It is an arbitrary system that teaches one how to use his mind in order to affect quantum universe in a desired way. I might come up with 10 other ways to achieve the same thing without ever mentioning any such law, which they created for the purpose of transmiting a stronger belief in it's reality.

It's just like the Mystery method. It's a method that works of course.
But have you ever noticed how most of Mystery's "evolutionary theories" are made-up bullshit? None of that is true. The world does not work on theories and laws. That's shit we make up to explain what we think we see.

As one chemistry teacher once told me(don't remember the exact words or technical terms):
"in the begining of the 21st century they created this molecule[plastic, don't remember how he called it] and 50 years later they found out that the formula was totally wrong, the molecule was organised in a totally different way. But as they found that out, the plastic chairs those scientists sat on did not disolve into thin air. They remained."

Everything we say, every system we create to map out the world, is in fact bullshit. Just takea look at what happened with the Principia Mathematica when Godel proved that mathematics is inconsistent, cannot prove itself and some of the statements it make. If mathematics itself is not real, what other system could be?

As for the comments about the bible and god, that’s a heated discussion I wont even be a part of on this forum. If there is one thing I learned from the crusades its not to openly disagree with the Christians.

wahhahahhahahahhahahah LMFAO

[Kelevra]

why are people here overcomplicating this topic. the secret is positive thinking nothing more.

what does God, The Bible and getting a boner have to do with the secret?

The secret is WAY more then simple positive thinking =]

And if you read carefully I didn’t say anything about getting a “boner” it was more about the “fact“ you must lose the boner to have had a “real“ orgasm. I was using an analogy in the similar aspect that my prof was forcing things to fit a definition that did not belong. As my argument is that the secret forces everything to fit its definition even when they don’t belong.

Truly an odd comparison, but it is all I could come up with on short notice as human sexuality was the last course I took during summer A. It was not the content of sex and orgasm I was comparing… it was the forcing of so called “facts”.

[Kelevra]

Ramm you are indeed one deep thinking individual.

I have seen What The Bleep Do We Know and I did learn a lot of interesting things. I also agree that in some respects your right and theories and laws don’t exist on the quantum level. But the do work on the practical level. We do have credit cards, internet, flying machines, and digital cameras. So on a practical level things do behave according to some standard calculated behavior.

Mountains are also eroded by gravity ;)

I also agree there is no gene or organ that we know of that causes evolution. But I do believe evolution is real and it’s a science. It is a fact that the animals with a survival advantage live longer then those that don’t. Living longer gives rise to more opportunity to have children and better chances for those children to survive and have children. I do not think there is a thought, or guiding force, behind it. I just think it is a fact. Those that survive… pass on their genes. That is all. From that fact a certain amount of statistics can be formulated. (but seeing how you disagree with mathematics… maybe you disagree?)

Also I have to say that math kinda needs to be real and consistent. We are looking at the result of nothing more then a whole lot of 1’s and 0’s. To get the results we see even on this forum page… there has to be a certain amount of certainty in how those things behave. Although we all know computers fuck up and break down for almost no reason.

So people have found patterns in reality that allow them to have a certain amounts understanding if not how it actually works, but at least how to effect it in ways we desire.

And im glad someone saw the humor in that final remark. :)

[Sincerelee]

So again I apologize if I offended you or somehow sparked any negative reactions in you.

I wasn't offended. I am offended that you are apologizing for how I reacted, though. You cannot control my reaction so you are not responsible for it.

You can only apologize for your own actions.

If an apology is warranted, it would be that you gave a backhanded remark about how Christians are intolerant of contrarians. It insulted the tolerance of Christians...not just myself. None the less, I am not offended any more than modern man can be offended at prehistoric man's fear of the moon. Both your comment and the prehistoric fear are from ignorance.

[RAMM]

Ramm you are indeed one deep thinking individual.
hihi thanks ^^

I have seen What The Bleep Do We Know and I did learn a lot of interesting things. I also agree that in some respects your right and theories and laws don’t exist on the quantum level. But the do work on the practical level. We do have credit cards, internet, flying machines, and digital cameras. So on a practical level things do behave according to some standard calculated behavior.
Laws are no where to be found outside human mind. And blackboards :D


But I do believe evolution is real and it’s a science. It is a fact that the animals with a survival advantage live longer then those that don’t. [...]From that fact a certain amount of statistics can be formulated. (but seeing how you disagree with mathematics… maybe you disagree?)
It's hard to explain, I think one has to get to the deeper meaning of it by himself, cuz I spent a whole morning last week trying to tell a couple people how evolution works, but they just wouldn't get it.
Yes it is as you say - STATISTICS. Statistics also are not real. By that I mean they are not inherent to the things they analize themselves.
THE ONLY SCIENTIFIC FACT IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT ANIMALS TO NOT EVOLVE. AND FROM AN ANIMAL TO HIS OFFSPRING THERE HAPPENS NO EVOLUTION. IF YOU SPEND YOUR LIFE TRAINING LIKE SCHWARZENEGGER, OR JUST SIT YOUR FAT ASS BY THE MCDONALDS EVERY FUCKING DAY, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO GENETICAL RELEVANCE. BY THAT I MEAN THAT YOUR OFFSPRINGS WILL HAVE THE SAME IDENTICAL GENES.
So, if I cannot evolve during my lifetime(genetically speaking) and if eveything I learn and train I CANNOT pass onto my children, where is evolution to be found? Nothing I can do in my life does actually affect evolution, except for if Imake it or not to pass on my genes. It is only a trend totally unrelated to genetics and life in general.


Also I have to say that math kinda needs to be real and consistent. We are looking at the result of nothing more then a whole lot of 1’s and 0’s. To get the results we see even on this forum page… there has to be a certain amount of certainty in how those things behave. Although we all know computers fuck up and break down for almost no reason.
Uhm yes, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but.. what I just said is not stuff I made up man. Kurt Godel kinda destroyed all mathematics and all systems in general. See wikipedia or something. You see.. it's not that we haven't found a system that acurately maps the world yet. Such a system does not exist and cannot exist. And Godel proved that inside the mathematics. He is considered to be the greatest logic genius ever. One of my favorits, together with Nicola Tesla and Richard Bandler.


And im glad someone saw the humor in that final remark. :)
Yeah, God's laughing too man.. I'm into rational satanism.. read my signature :D
I believe that what people consider to be satan is more like the real god, than the christian god.. that's my take on it.
God bless you all.

[Kelevra]

I wasn't offended. I am offended that you are apologizing for how I reacted, though. You cannot control my reaction so you are not responsible for it.

You can only apologize for your own actions.

If an apology is warranted, it would be that you gave a backhanded remark about how Christians are intolerant of contrarians. It insulted the tolerance of Christians...not just myself. None the less, I am not offended any more than modern man can be offended at prehistoric man's fear of the moon. Both your comment and the prehistoric fear are from ignorance.

I did apologize for my actions Sincerelee. I apologized for having upset you with what I SAID (wrote?). Which I obviously have struck a nerve. I can not apologize for your reaction, true, but I can apologize for the statement I made that ignited such a reaction. Forgive me.

But again I did not intend to offend you or anyone. I was merely making a light joke of the horrible and bloody history that is Christianity.

I do not believe the path to education, enlightenment, and knowledge is paved with insults or accusations, instead it is a path of civil debate upheld with respect and an open mind. Clearly your mind is closed on the subject.

But I implore you to believe that I am not ignorant on matters of the bible or Christianity. I have done far more research on the matter then anyone I personally know. I have a very large interest in the history of religions world wide. And to use the example “prehistoric fear” of anything is quite amusing coming from one in your position. That was a clever metaphor tho.

Have a good one, and I thank you for your mature and calm understanding of a point of view that is not your own.

[azazels_wolf]

Wow, lots of replies on this thread. For starters:


AW, a secret to my constant positive outlook is a promise from the Bible. Romans 8:28-30,


That is to say, I know, no matter what happens to me...whether it appears good or bad on the surface...is good for me, to make me more Christ-like, and will bring glory to God, which is my chief goal in life.

Many times, I do not understand how things can be good, but trust God's promise that they are.

For example, my situation with my wife. at the time I woke up scared out of my mind when she was screaming like a madman, I could not fathom how going on my own would turn me into the better man that I am today.

When I wrecked my motorcycle, I had no idea that it allowed me to slow my life enough to experience life and absorb every sensation to its fullest.

When I read, "The Game" and found this community, I had no idea how dramatically it would change my life.

But, I knew, from the outset, that all these things happened to me for good.

Unlike "The Secret", I didn't need to think positive thoughts about it, because I knew my God had already willed positive things to come from them.


Your belief, your inner knowing, that these experiences serve a greater purpose and will ultimately have a positive result, is really another example (just in a different context) of the positive frame I was talking about before. An important aspect of maintaining a positive paradigm is to view any current challenges, losses, or sources of pain as an opportunity for improvement, learning, or transition into a new condition.

Some would say "this is wishful thinking" but - if you take an honest look at previous sources of pain from years back, you can find a valuable lesson or opportunity that came from any of it. This is much more productive than viewing yourself as The Victim. Ever noticed how people with victim mentalities always seem to be never-ending victims of something - while failing to acknowledge or enjoy anything positive in their lives? Not only are they miserable, but they drag down everyone around them. Whereas, if you embrace the challenges as something positive and meaningful, you will inspire and lift up others too.

From a personal perspective, looking back, nothing has been meaningless or irrelevant for me. It all served a purpose. It all was a stepping stone toward something much greater.

[RAMM]

From a personal perspective, looking back, nothing has been meaningless or irrelevant for me. It all served a purpose. It all was a stepping stone toward something much greater.

It is hard to think that way when you're in the opposite situation, where what you had is far greater than what you have..

[azazels_wolf]

Strings:

Well said, thank you.


Kelevra:


My question is why do they say only you can make a difference in your own life, and then you say other peoples thoughts make a difference too. It cant be only and. That is just poor English.


Because we are all co-creators in the world, together. We all influence our realities, we do not live in vacuums. When our reality comes in touch with someone else's, or vice versa, there is again cause and effect within the outer world at large. But few apply their conscious creative abilities in the manner I speak of, so your influence on your reality will be greater than the outside influences, allowing you to make positive changes. Eventually, things that do not fit into your new reality will gradually leave your life, or your circumstances will allow you to leave them behind, for those more suited to them.



I also know people who have faith in things, and never get what they ask for.


Because just because someone has faith, doesn't mean they are internally focused and disciplined in the way I speak of. It doesn't mean they are present and consciously creating their reality. They just have faith. Which can be helpful, but in and of itself it is not sufficient application. Their minds may still hold onto many negative beliefs or thoughts on a regular basis.



If your life is going well, and we look at successful people and say theirs are going well… its easy to say they follow the secret. Its easy to just say those who don’t get what they want… don’t follow it. But I promise there are FAR more stories of faithful people who believe they are getting better… and then die. Then there are those that get healed.


Faith is only one aspect of the healing process, as I touched upon in a previous post.




Its like my argument with my prof about male orgasm. He said if there is no recession period then you didn’t have an orgasm. Meaning if you don’t lose your boner… it wasn’t an orgasm. But I promise you my friend, the first time I had sex without a condom I blew my load 3 times in under 7 minutes. And I was rock hard the entire time. Nothing to be proud of… no doubt. BUT ill be god damned if they weren’t orgasms. BUT because the stupid book said without recession it wasn’t a REAL orgasm… he said I was wrong. Idk if my point is made with this story or not.



That's because your prof is ignorant. He doesn't even know the science thoroughly, he is teaching outdated knowledge and relying on only one source of information.
And the best orgasms btw are the ones where you don't blow your load at all. Look into full-body orgasm, it is truly mind-blowing.



The point is its easy to say this is A and this is B. A is A because of abc and B is B because of efg. And when something comes along and doesn’t fit the mold… people will make it fit. I.e. saying they MUST not be thinking inline and positive enough because it didn’t work. Its just too easy to shove people into that in order to force the “fact” that the law of attraction exists.


It's easy to say that, yes. But it's also easy to dismiss something due to ignorance, just like your professor.



Can I say again that I do like the movie and it is inspirational? Ill do more research on the origins of the law of attraction.

As for the comments about the bible and god, that’s a heated discussion I wont even be a part of on this forum. If there is one thing I learned from the crusades its not to openly disagree with the Christians.

There have been a number of mature discussions regarding religion on this forum, so don't feel like you can't discuss it if you want to. If something gets out of hand with insults or violence, we'll step in. But I'm glad to say those incidents are rare nowadays. (Anyone who's not sure on the guidelines for posting, please refer to the Forum FAQ, linked on the black bar near the top.)



As my argument is that the secret forces everything to fit its definition even when they don’t belong.


I have yet to see a situation in which it doesn't belong, when people are being truly honest about said situation.



I have seen What The Bleep Do We Know and I did learn a lot of interesting things. I also agree that in some respects your right and theories and laws don’t exist on the quantum level. But the do work on the practical level. We do have credit cards, internet, flying machines, and digital cameras. So on a practical level things do behave according to some standard calculated behavior.


I enjoyed that movie too.... especially the extended version!



It is a fact that the animals with a survival advantage live longer then those that don’t. Living longer gives rise to more opportunity to have children and better chances for those children to survive and have children. I do not think there is a thought, or guiding force, behind it. I just think it is a fact.


On a quantum level, beyond the level of subatomic particles, there is only information and potentiality. Could there not be some type of intelligence or guiding force existing on that level, some type of consciousness that gives rise to it all? Philosophical question of course. :)

[azazels_wolf]

Kelevra I must agree with you. That's how systems work. When people want to fit eveything into a system by the wits of their brains they still do it by the force of their byceps.
I don't think this does apply to the law of attraction as well.

In fact the law of attraction DOES NOT EXIST. It does work but it does not exist. There is no such law in the universe. Let me just expand on this a bit.

It's just like the "law of evolution". Or evolutionary theory. Most people believe that there is such a thing as an urge to evolve inside the biolagical beings. Or inside the DNA. But there isn't. Evolution works by chance, and it's influenced by external environmental events and changes. There is such thing as evolution actually. You can't find an organ inside the body that serves evolution.


The "laws" as we define them intellectually don't exist, but cause and effect certainly does, on this level. It's just a matter of understanding how it works, and why, no matter what names you use to define and label the patterns.


DNA cannot change in a a living being without it meaning cancer.


Changes in DNA do not always result in cancer - evolution is a direct result of those changes in DNA that are successful.



And there is no such thing as a "becoming better because of evolution". There is no will in the world that does keep animals and men become better or different in time. Yet people believe that. Just because they do not understand much about Darwin.


Biological evolution in and of itself doesn't equate with mental or spiritual evolution. But our consciousness and potential is not biology alone. We are greater than the sum of our parts.



Now, as for the "law of attraction". There is quantum mechanics on the one side, and consciousness on the other side. Qauntum mechanics is the mechanics of small particles moving BY CHANCE. There is chaos in the quantum world. There is no way of determining what a certain phenomena will behave. Because there are no rules.
When consciousness comes into play, it has incredible effects on quantum world. That is, consciousness does determine how those particles behave. And they only behave that way in the presence of consciousness.
Consciousness expands and contracts. A bacteria has an atomic size of consciousness, thus has some very limited power over the environment. As we go up with more complex animals, they have more and more power over the environment, but non of them is fully conscious.
We are. We men have a wide range of sizes in consciousness.
You see, if your consciousness/awareness is strong enough, you can control quantum interactions which in turn control some biger events.
You can affect lottery for example. It has been shown that electric devices made to generate casual numbers do in fact generate the numers one wants them to generate, simply by thinking about it. That is applied quantum mechanics. On a larger scale, yes, thinking the right way does bring "miraculously" stuff into your life.


And for those interested in the idea of influencing electronic devices, and the larger-scale implications:
Check out the Princeton University Global Consciousness Project:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/


Everything we say, every system we create to map out the world, is in fact bullshit. Just takea look at what happened with the Principia Mathematica when Godel proved that mathematics is inconsistent, cannot prove itself and some of the statements it make. If mathematics itself is not real, what other system could be?

wahhahahhahahahhahahah LMFAO

It is all "maya" - the world of illusion. The only Truth, ultimately, is Being/Consciousness, and Love. When the world of illusion melts away, that is what remains.
The only peek into that world of Being for most people is those few seconds of orgasm. But we are not truly limited like that.... we can get past the illusion.



So, if I cannot evolve during my lifetime(genetically speaking) and if eveything I learn and train I CANNOT pass onto my children, where is evolution to be found?


The evolution occurs during your lifetime if you undergo a genetic mutation, which you would then pass on. Genetic mutations happen during the replication of cells, which is a constant process in your body. You are constantly producing sperm for example.



Nothing I can do in my life does actually affect evolution, except for if Imake it or not to pass on my genes. It is only a trend totally unrelated to genetics and life in general.


"Errors" in the cell division process, during which the genes are replicated, result in mutations, which can result in evolution.
Exposure to electromagnetic radiation can also result in gene mutation. Even sunlight, for example.


It is hard to think that way when you're in the opposite situation, where what you had is far greater than what you have..

Is it though? ... do you really know what will be all the effects of this cause? No, not right now, not in this current state of conscious that you're in.

[Strings]

Azazel:

Thanks, This stuff intrigues me to the highest extent, very interesting stuff, just thought I would share what I know about it, even though it may not be pertinent to the conversation at hand!

Now, as for the "law of attraction". There is quantum mechanics on the one side, and consciousness on the other side. Qauntum mechanics is the mechanics of small particles moving BY CHANCE. There is chaos in the quantum world. There is no way of determining what a certain phenomena will behave. Because there are no rules.
When consciousness comes into play, it has incredible effects on quantum world. That is, consciousness does determine how those particles behave. And they only behave that way in the presence of consciousness.
Consciousness expands and contracts. A bacteria has an atomic size of consciousness, thus has some very limited power over the environment. As we go up with more complex animals, they have more and more power over the environment, but non of them is fully conscious.
We are. We men have a wide range of sizes in consciousness.
You see, if your consciousness/awareness is strong enough, you can control quantum interactions which in turn control some biger events.
You can affect lottery for example. It has been shown that electric devices made to generate casual numbers do in fact generate the numers one wants them to generate, simply by thinking about it. That is applied quantum mechanics. On a larger scale, yes, thinking the right way does bring "miraculously" stuff into your life.


This actually relates back to what I was saying, about the universal mind etc. You've just explained it in a much more scientific way, which is cool! They say that there is no such thing as lucky or unlucky, rather, you create your own luck, using the power of consciousness. That's why when people are feeling down, they almost ALWAYS have a shitty day. Because their consciousness is in the wrong place, emmiting the wrong aura about them, attracting all the wrong things.

[Sincerelee]

RAMM, I would like you to read a book called, "That's Good, That's Bad!". It is a kids' books, but should shed light on how good and bad are perspective. From what I have read of your dialog, something extremely horrifying happened to you...or a string of horrify things.

Either way, a perspective might look at things differently.

A friend of mine is from a middle eastern country. He shared with me how his college roommate was taken out of their dorm room, held for ransom by AL Quaida, and whne the man's family could not pay the ranson, the captors killed him and sent the video tape to his parents.

That's horrifying. But, it was a strong reason why my friend was allowed to come to America to work where he is working.

Yes, for his roommate, it was very bad. But, for him, it was very good.

Whatever happened to you, you are still alive. Use that experience to aid others in similar situations. Changing the lives of others is one of the few near permanent ways to live past your last day of life on earth.

[RAMM]

Changes in DNA do not always result in cancer - evolution is a direct result of those changes in DNA that are successful
This is wrong on the individual level I'm talking about.
If one cell in your body has a mutation that all the other cells do not have, one of 3 things can happen.
1. the cell dies
2. the cell starts multiplying in uncontrolled ways resulting in cancer
3. the cell continues to live but has no relevance in the life of the individual whatsoever.

Biological evolution in and of itself doesn't equate with mental or spiritual evolution. But our consciousness and potential is not biology alone. We are greater than the sum of our parts.
Of course.. :)


It is all "maya" - the world of illusion.
Exactly, I mean the same thing ^_^


The evolution occurs during your lifetime if you undergo a genetic mutation, which you would then pass on. Genetic mutations happen during the replication of cells, which is a constant process in your body. You are constantly producing sperm for example.
This is exactly what I was saying people get wrong. I don't wanna argue with you, but it's plain scientific fact, that the individual DOES NOT evolve, genetically speaking. There is no way one can change his own genetical information, no matter what he does. It can only happen on individual cells level. And then one of those 3 things I said can happen.
If you think of it you know I'm right, since every cell in our body has it's own DNA, unrelated to the DNA of other cells in your body. Even if one cell does have a mutation none of these to things can ever happen:
1. CAN'T pass it on(unless it is a reproductive cell, sperm or egg)
2. CAN'T be related or result from any activity you undertake in your life(it's casual)

"Errors" in the cell division process, during which the genes are replicated, result in mutations, which can result in evolution.
Exposure to electromagnetic radiation can also result in gene mutation. Even sunlight, for example.
During reproductive cell division there can be made errors of course. Most result in either genetic disease, malformation, death, sterility. Some of them do not. By no means those mutations can be related to what the parent has or hasnt done in his life.
Plus, that's like 0.0000000000000001% of how evolution happens. The rest happens because of combining different people's DNAs, just the normal way.
Electromagnetic radiation, or any other type of radiation who result in DNA mutations are not passed on the way you just said man.
Say, if I get radiations in my body that affect my DNA, it is going to have a different and casual effect on every cell it busts through. That means, I am not going to have an overal mutation that changes me. I will have a bilion cells with all different mutated DNA. Some will die, some won't, some will become cancer. I cannot pass that on.
If my sperm get's radiations too, then my sperm's DNA will change and be passed on, even if I do not havethat particular mutation inside my body. That one and only sperm cell that got to the egg was the only cell to have that particular mutation.

Is it though? ... do you really know what will be all the effects of this cause? No, not right now, not in this current state of conscious that you're in.
Yeah I used to think that everything badcame to have som positive effect afterwards... but it really does seem so random this one time.. I thought it was going to be destiny and be the best thing in my life, and it's not there anymore so I guess it's just random shit shoved at me..

[RAMM]

RAMM, I would like you to read a book called, "That's Good, That's Bad!". It is a kids' books, but should shed light on how good and bad are perspective.
Uhm.. never heard of that here in italy. I don't know if this is what you meant but, I already think GOOD and BAD don't exist. Actually, Nietzsche wanted to differentiate Good&Bad from Good&Evil. I'd say Good and Evil do not exist. Good and Bad on the other side, is just what you said, perspective.. things we made up as a society or individually.



From what I have read of your dialog, something extremely horrifying happened to you...or a string of horrify things.
Nobody actually lost their heads here. No one got killed or otherwise physically harmed. I thought she'd suffer as hell if I killed myself over her, that would give me great satisfacion.. but I still care about my life I guess.


held for ransom by AL Quaida, and whne the man's family could not pay the ranson, the captors killed him and sent the video tape to his parents.
That's the kind of shit I got mad over. The al quaida. The echonomy. 9/11. Pigs flu. Global warming and pollution. Lies. Everything that's fucked up in this world. I.. prayed for rain.. (hint:Aenema-Tool)

Changing the lives of others is one of the few near permanent ways to live past your last day of life on earth.
It's painful enough to live once, I finally understand the message of Buddha, you must end the cycle of life. Life IS pain. Why live past your death.. or reincarnate..? Right now, I'd be voting against that..

[Sincerelee]

RAMM,
Good and bad exist. Each of us has desires. Things that meet our desires, or get us closer to fulfilling those desires are what make up what is good. Things that detract fgrom those desires is bad.

Morally, good and evil exist. God is good. All that exemplifies God is good. All that takes away from God is evil.

If you reject the notion of God, then for you, the concept of good and evil are nothing. Still Good and bad exist because they are simply a personal perspective, irrelevant of the existance of anyone else.

RAMM, I am going to quit interacting with you for now. I am trying to get you to see something you refuse to see. When you get to the point you want to see, i can help guide you. So long as you want to remain blind, you are doing it without me.

[RAMM]

RAMM,
Good and bad exist. Each of us has desires. Things that meet our desires, or get us closer to fulfilling those desires are what make up what is good. Things that detract fgrom those desires is bad.
What I mean is they do not exist as metaphysical objects, they're only in our minds, and are culture based.

Morally, good and evil exist. God is good. All that exemplifies God is good. All that takes away from God is evil.

If you reject the notion of God, then for you, the concept of good and evil are nothing. Still Good and bad exist because they are simply a personal perspective, irrelevant of the existance of anyone else.
I totally accept the notion of God. I only reject the christian God, which is totally different. I also reject morals since they do not exist out there in the universe, but only in our heads, that is why there are no two people with the exact same moral judgements(argue with that..)


RAMM, I am going to quit interacting with you for now. I am trying to get you to see something you refuse to see. When you get to the point you want to see, i can help guide you. So long as you want to remain blind, you are doing it without me.
The whole christian theory is so full of holes. I'm a very spiritual myself. I'm not an atheist. My views are similar to those of Azazel's, Truth, BigJohnson and other people on this forum. I feel that you are rejecting our "truths" the way we are rejecting yours.

Sometimes christians like to think they are "morally superior" to people who do not believe. You are morally superior to me, in fact I believe that as Nietzsche said "morality is immoral".
Now I'm the one suggesting you a couple of books, and they're not for the kiddies:
# Beyond Good and Evil (1886)
# On the Genealogy of Morality (1887)
(both by Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche)

If you really are the one who is open to new views and we aren't why don't you give them a try.. might end up liking them. I mean it :)

[Kelevra]

Azazels_wolf

I understand the notion that we dont live in a bubble. I know there are other peoples intentions having effects on our lives. My point is that they say ONLY you can make a difference. Then later they say other people can make a difference. Its just a contradiction they make. Your just backing the side of the contradiction that makes more sense. But they do say on many occasions that only the individuals can do anything about their lives.

Again I feel like you are forcing everything to fit, so of course you haven’t noticed situations where it doesn’t fit.

When I say faith I mean that they BELIEVE they are getting better. Meaning they are just like that woman from the secret who got healed. They are the same. But they didn’t get healed. If all variables are the exact same… but the results are different. You just claim they aren’t doing it right. Because that’s what the secret says. That’s the only explanation, from the secret pov.

But to me its exactly like any other religion or belief system. Ill just wind up asking all the same questions and getting the same answers until I educate myself with the deep dark corners of it. Do you know where this theory came from? Its original point of origin? I know its been used throughout history and all that, Im asking when was it talked about and used as a belief system or published first? I need to find the source and work from there before I can make any real arguments. Im just blowing smoke and asking obvious questions =]

As for Christianity, maybe ill get into it one day. But being called ignorant for bringing up historical fact… is not exactly a mature conversation.

[RAMM]

But to me its exactly like any other religion or belief system. Ill just wind up asking all the same questions and getting the same answers until I educate myself with the deep dark corners of it. Do you know where this theory came from? Its original point of origin? I know its been used throughout history and all that, Im asking when was it talked about and used as a belief system or published first? I need to find the source and work from there before I can make any real arguments. Im just blowing smoke and asking obvious questions =]

Don't take this for a fact but I believe that's not true. Yes, in the movie they name a lot of people who used it in history. But that only means the authors of the secret believe they used it, not that those people actually ever believed in anithing called the law of attraction or secret. In fact I bet they had no awareness of it in the sense we mean it.
This theory came from the authors, it's not historical.
That's probably why you don't like it.
If you want something that sounds better to the scientific minded such as myself, try HUNA, hawaiian philosophy. That's the real shit. Author Serge Kahili King is great. It's about the same as indian theory, except it's much more rational and makes sense to the occidental mind. I love the indian thing too but I realize it's really too hard to grasp.. and simply badly organized.
Man, you'll love huna! :)

[Strings]

Kelevra:

I think It's all in their will to get better. You may believe you are getting better, but do you have the rock solid WILL to GET better? It's like the people that go from rags to riches doing something that is very very tough. Like music, or creating a business. The top guys have the greatest WILL POWER.

As my signature says, You can BE what you WILL to BE

[Kelevra]

Thanks RAMM ill look into it for sure dude.

Your right, i do have an interest in historical facts and not simply speculations.

And Strings, iv seen people totally give up and live, and iv seen people with the will of kings succumb.

Strong will can get you far, and losing hope can kill. Im not doubting that. My dispute is that those are not LAWS. Just as true believers have seen it work... iv seen it fail and do the opposite. Iv seen negative people get what they want, and positive people get the shaft.

Ill look into it further, and return one day with some educated questions.

[Strings]

Kelevra, that's fair, and you're right, there are people with strong will that die and people with no hope that live etc. These are typical Exceptions. Everything thing in the world has exceptions, every rule, every law, nothing is ever really 100%.

I too will also look further into this!

[azazels_wolf]

This is exactly what I was saying people get wrong. I don't wanna argue with you, but it's plain scientific fact, that the individual DOES NOT evolve, genetically speaking. There is no way one can change his own genetical information, no matter what he does. It can only happen on individual cells level. And then one of those 3 things I said can happen.


Go back to quantum mechanics for a moment. Molecular interactions regarding DNA occur on a level small enough to interface with the quantum/micro level, just like within our brain. If you consider the field of potentiality, would this theoretical occurrence above be completely impossible?



If you think of it you know I'm right, since every cell in our body has it's own DNA, unrelated to the DNA of other cells in your body.


Are they really unrelated? Check this out - there is scientific evidence that DNA operates not only as a particle, but also as a WAVE:
http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.16170

That field of research is called "wave genetics" btw, it's fascinating. And there is evidence that DNA in all cells of the body can communicate with each other by means of electromagnetic waves, as well as with cells outside of their own body.

If this communication is possible.... that DNA can act as both transmitters and receivers of information.... then what kinds of other extraordinary possibilities are there, especially in terms of evolution, especially combined with the informational field of potentiality at a quantum level?



The whole christian theory is so full of holes. I'm a very spiritual myself. I'm not an atheist. My views are similar to those of Azazel's, Truth, BigJohnson and other people on this forum. I feel that you are rejecting our "truths" the way we are rejecting yours.


Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. There is also more common ground than you realize sometimes.


Don't take this for a fact but I believe that's not true. Yes, in the movie they name a lot of people who used it in history. But that only means the authors of the secret believe they used it, not that those people actually ever believed in anithing called the law of attraction or secret. In fact I bet they had no awareness of it in the sense we mean it.
This theory came from the authors, it's not historical.
That's probably why you don't like it.


A lot of these people belonged to "secret societies" who used and knew the secret, as well as a lot of other knowledge, just under a different name.

[Sincerelee]

Everything thing in the world has exceptions, every rule, every law, nothing is ever really 100%.

Everything?

[Strings]

Those things without exceptions, are just the exceptions of everything :p hahah

[RAMM]

Go back to quantum mechanics for a moment. Molecular interactions regarding DNA occur on a level small enough to interface with the quantum/micro level, just like within our brain. If you consider the field of potentiality, would this theoretical occurrence above be completely impossible?
If you put it on this level then you are totally right. I was talking about evolution theory as comonly accepted by scientists nowadays. I guess consciousness could change even our DNA, but again.. could animals do the same, or just us humans?

Are they really unrelated? Check this out - there is scientific evidence that DNA operates not only as a particle, but also as a WAVE:
http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.16170
I've never heard about that, though it does sound plausible.. and actually explains many things. I GTG now.. but.. yeah, deep stuff.. I'll check the link later

That field of research is called "wave genetics" btw, it's fascinating. And there is evidence that DNA in all cells of the body can communicate with each other by means of electromagnetic waves, as well as with cells outside of their own body.
So actually,they all thought that DNA kept information in it's chemics, whiler it's actually in the energy.. fascinating

[azazels_wolf]

But to me its exactly like any other religion or belief system. Ill just wind up asking all the same questions and getting the same answers until I educate myself with the deep dark corners of it. Do you know where this theory came from? Its original point of origin? I know its been used throughout history and all that, Im asking when was it talked about and used as a belief system or published first? I need to find the source and work from there before I can make any real arguments. Im just blowing smoke and asking obvious questions =]


One source is Buddha. For example:

"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world."
- Buddha, in the Dhammapada

It is of course, also found in Hinduism - in the idea that on our highest levels of consciousness, we are all One with the Creator (whichever name you want to use for it)

It is also in Egyptian metaphysical teachings, and the Greek Hermetic system.... but I would have to do some digging to find the quotes.

[tuustep]

I'm not familiar with the concept of "The Secret." I'm going to assume its similar to both ancient and modern concepts on perspective and spirituality, with yet another name, and another "creator" of the idea.


To me the secret is all about inner game. You don't need to purchase all those products regarding inner game because inner game has been around long before the community was around. In my opinion its been stated better than the community products state it also. Self help books like "The Power of Positive Thinking," "Think and Grow Rich," "Success Through a Positive Mental Attitude," etc. The secret says three things:

1. Come with a spirit of gratitude. What are you grateful or thankful for today? There is always something. Write it down.This will start putting a smile on your face. You will see other people grumpy while you are in a better mood.
2. Figure out specifically what you want. Set a goal. Write it down.
3. Surround yourself with pictures of that goal or outcome. Keep looking at, everyday. It has to be something you are excited about and associate positive emotions with. Emotions are the fuel.

The bottom line is what you think about most of the time is what will come true in your life.

For example - I knew I wanted to change the situation I was in. I was dating a hot woman who was psycho (good sex but I am not into psychotic beeyatches). I now realize that she had low self esteem. Hot women show low self esteem differently than HB 3's. My goal was to get out of that situation and start dating better woman. I didn't know exactly how I was going to do it. I had a few pictures of women that I found attractive. Then one day I saw "The Pickup Artist" on TV. This made me curious in the techniques. Finally I purchased some products, went out (by myself), played around, tried some of the techniques and got some results. I am not a mPUA but I am well on my way to having the social life I want. The matrix has been revealed.

Try it out and see what happens. What have you got to loose?

[azazels_wolf]

RAMM:

If you put it on this level then you are totally right. I was talking about evolution theory as comonly accepted by scientists nowadays. I guess consciousness could change even our DNA, but again.. could animals do the same, or just us humans?


Wave genetics is a growing field and I think it will have to be incorporated into evolution theory, otherwise the understanding of evolution will always remain incomplete, just like physics would remain incomplete without our understanding of quantum mechanics.
As you mentioned before, even bacteria have some type of consciousness, an intelligent awareness that has biological needs that it seeks to fulfill.... all life forms have this to some extent. So yes, can you see how consciousness could be a creative force behind evolution in all life forms? Considering the simple act of observation "collapses the wave form".... along with the information and consciousness underlying the structure of the universe as a whole, beyond the level of microparticles....



I've never heard about that, though it does sound plausible.. and actually explains many things. I GTG now.. but.. yeah, deep stuff.. I'll check the link later


Taken as a whole, it's a really interesting article, just one example of what is being discovered, scientifically.... it's heavy reading but it's worth trying to slog through it.



So actually,they all thought that DNA kept information in it's chemics, whiler it's actually in the energy.. fascinating

It stores information both chemically and energetically, and can transmit, translate, and replicate the information either way. This would also allow for quantum entanglement, outside of its original cell.... :D


tuustep:


1. Come with a spirit of gratitude. What are you grateful or thankful for today? There is always something. Write it down.This will start putting a smile on your face. You will see other people grumpy while you are in a better mood.


Gratitude is a great point to bring up - and it's not just about changing your mood. When you are grateful for something, you are welcoming MORE of it into your life. So it also utilizes the "Law of Attraction".


The matrix has been revealed.

Try it out and see what happens. What have you got to loose?

Exactly.

[RAMM]

Man.. I'm reading the article.. I'm friggin' high :D
It's a dream come true! What took them so long? I've always believed they were total idiots not understanding the information in the DNA is stored non-locally. It was so obvious to me. It's just like the brain. Not a big hard disk full of information, but a holograhic mind. The difference is that if one would have to store everything one knows in a brain that stores information locally one would have to have the head the size of a fucking red giant star expanding :D

I hope they'll manage to introduce hard disks that store information non locally while they also act as CPUs at the same time. Present time computers cannot develop much more beiond what we have now.. see, that's why they're starting to put more and more CPU cores in computers, because all of the improvements they could have done on single cpus they already have.. how come it's still fucking dumber than hamsters?

[RAMM]

Uhm.. as I keep reading.. I see they're mentioning the use of this biotechenology in computers.. so they're not as stupid as I thought afterall.. nice..

[azazels_wolf]

Man.. I'm reading the article.. I'm friggin' high :D
It's a dream come true! What took them so long?


Hahaha.... it's definitely awesome.



I've always believed they were total idiots not understanding the information in the DNA is stored non-locally. It was so obvious to me. It's just like the brain. Not a big hard disk full of information, but a holograhic mind. The difference is that if one would have to store everything one knows in a brain that stores information locally one would have to have the head the size of a fucking red giant star expanding :D

I hope they'll manage to introduce hard disks that store information non locally while they also act as CPUs at the same time. Present time computers cannot develop much more beiond what we have now.. see, that's why they're starting to put more and more CPU cores in computers, because all of the improvements they could have done on single cpus they already have.. how come it's still fucking dumber than hamsters?

Uhm.. as I keep reading.. I see they're mentioning the use of this biotechenology in computers.. so they're not as stupid as I thought afterall.. nice..

Yeah, they've been working on quantum computers for years now. It'll be very exciting once this becomes viable on a mass-market scale.

[RAMM]

yeah, just think of robotics.. that's gonna make giant leap forward.. videogames too.. we might have videogames that put you inside the game like the Matrix, and make it so realistic.. and then you're as free as in a lucid dream


EDITED: Yes I heard about quantum computers but never meant this way.. but they do mention DNA based software in the movie Transformers.. so anyway I guess it's becoming pop culture..