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Wolf
07-19-2007, 09:43 PM
Hey all, how's it going? Wolf here has a question for you guys...

I read the book The Game, great book btw and saw some of David Deangelo's videos. When first listening to these things, instantly my success improved drastically. But my question is this... I started using those things like ESP, 5 questions, friends psychic test and bla bla bla and they worked. But I was seriously pissed with myself. Why? Because this is not being authentic! Why can't we just be directly honest and say what we feel? I mean I guess it's kind of fake it till' u make it. I genuinely care about women. I enjoy every aspect about them but I don't feel it's me. And another thing, what's with the negs? I know their purpose, but is it really necessary when you already have a high value for yourself? I'll give you an example, if I want to talk to a girl I'd like to say: "I would like to talk to you. My name's Nick." flat out... You know what, I'm gunna try that tommorrow. I'll detail it for you guys too. Here's my approach on a woman:
A: You are the selector always and see if she's right for you.
B: Don't let her looks fluster you and find something else about her that would be of interest to you.
C: If she gives you a bitchy attitude always call her out on it.
D: Do not be afraid to walk away if she's not what you're looking for.
E: Always approach with respect. Always ask yourself, if someone were doing this to me would I like it?

That's it... What do you guys think? I can see how a woman would get pissed if you look at her for just her looks. Find something else in her that would interest you. Don't be the sucker and just fall for her just because she has nice cans. Maintain control and let yourself know that you will not just like her because she's an HB10. Make her work for your affection and always remember, this bitch is a guest in your reality, if she doesn't respect it, tell her to leave. I will tell you this, with this attitude my success rate skyrocketed. If you show respect for yourself, a woman will have respect for you. Know you're a good catch and always ooze that confidence and never second-guess yourself. If you want to do something, just do it but always approach and be blatantly honest. It is also a huuuge aphrodisiac. That's my attitude and it mostly works for me.

But the main question is, Do you find these lines like the ex-gf are fake and without interest? How do you guys feel about asking questions that are sincere and come with great concern? I'll give you an ex, I ask whatever comes to mind. In the past, I said things like, if you had one word to describe yourself, what would it be? Ask me a question that you think will embarass me, etc.

Please, post your opinions here. I'd greatly appreciate it and I am eager to hear from you guys. Remember, we are all here for each other. Thanks and keep making things happen!

-Wolf (I chose the name because it signifies loyalty, alpha-maleness, dominance, sincerity, care and aggressiveness when needed).

-Silver-
07-20-2007, 05:25 AM
ESP routine, 5 questions game, Best Friends test, and many other routines like this - all designed to make yourself appear interesting. Use a piece of material like this and the girls will think 'Wow, that's interesting.' Use several pieces of material like this and the girls will think Wow, he's interesting!' - credit Mystery.

These routines are designed to capture a girl's attention, and keep her invested in the conversation, as well as making you appear like the most interesting person in the venue. If they don't feel congruent with yourself, then either keep using them until they do, tweaking them to fit your style (fake it 'til you make it). Or drop them from your game completely.

Negs are designed to convey disinterest in your target. You know this - attractive girls get asked out, told they are beautiful, have interest shown to them, every single day. If you do this, there's a chance she'll blow you out of set before you've even started running your game. That's what her bitch shield is for, to deflect common guys. Showing disinterest by using negs etc will disable the bitch shield and give you that window of opportunity to run your game.

As far as feeling uncomfortable through using openers like the jealous girlfriend, and any others you've read in the books or on this site - that's because they're not your experiences. They are designed for when you're starting out, to give you something to say and a topic to fall back on if you run out of ideas. Once you get the hang of it, it's highly recommended that you use material that relates to you. Use openers and DHV stories that incorporate your own experiences, and you won't feel 'non-authentic' anymore. It will be completely congruent with yourself. Hope this clears things up. You don't have to be the least bit dishonest when you're gaming, and yes, your list there would be perfectly fine. Just take into account the above, and what they are there for.

-Silver-

Arctic
07-20-2007, 07:15 AM
This reminds me of the movie Hitch when ,in a speed dating seminar,all the men recant times when they were brutally honest about their affections,and got shot down for it.You have to communicate on the HBs language,if you will,for her to ALLOW HERSELF to like you.I tried the upfront method through high school.Trust me,the upfront system only got me laid ONCE in four years.If you like those odds,feel free.I certainly dont,so if you excuse me,I need to study phone game tips :)

Wolf
07-28-2007, 06:38 PM
Thanks for the tips guys... Any other opinions? Please feel free to help out, thanks.

-Wolf

Dox
07-28-2007, 06:47 PM
This reminds me of the movie Hitch when ,in a speed dating seminar,all the men recant times when they were brutally honest about their affections,and got shot down for it.You have to communicate on the HBs language,if you will,for her to ALLOW HERSELF to like you.I tried the upfront method through high school.Trust me,the upfront system only got me laid ONCE in four years.If you like those odds,feel free.I certainly dont,so if you excuse me,I need to study phone game tips :)

Amen, Arctic...I have to admit Wolf, some of the stuff does come off a bit insincere but I think it's a good way to keep a girl interested. I'm still studying everything, and it just kinda clicks in my head. Of course it's good to be honest and sincere to build an emotional rapport, but ladies love negging - they eat the stuff up. If you use some of these techniques in good taste with a good gal, all it does for you is help you keep her attention and help your inner qualities shine through to her. It's not insincere unless your motives are insincere.

Dox
07-28-2007, 10:48 PM
Very good and straightfoward way of putting it, Rewok :)

h2flow
07-28-2007, 11:02 PM
Hey all, how's it going? Wolf here has a question for you guys...

But I was seriously pissed with myself. Why? Because this is not being authentic! Why can't we just be directly honest and say what we feel?

This is Why u have to have ur own way and define urself.. ALL this Stuffs is inner game based because, It's really Just Simply Self improvement. That's Y Mystery's method is Called The Mystery method Because the things he does is how he feels and he's Authenic with it.. All the Guru's Do their shit differently, because that's Who they are. U won't See Juggler wear Goggles and all that.. Because that's Not Who Juggler is. Whilst Mystery Feels Completely comfortable with it, he's so comfortable and authenic with how he dresses it almost looks normal to an extent. well this is all that i can tell u. because i'm learn'n and using shit that's not mine aswell at the same time i'm trying to define who i am and improve myself to become a better person not just for women but for everyone i encounter. before all this i had trouble say'n stuffs like Hi, Thank You, etc.. etc.. now I can talk to strangers but i can't pick them up just yet... lol. So i dont' just do this shit to chicks I do it to everyone.

Waka
07-29-2007, 07:10 AM
I used to be like that. I used to think 'I dont want all these gimmicks and shit. Why cant I just be myself?'. Properly AFC thinking, and eventually I realised the truth.

Like Rewok said, 'being myself' in the sense of being insecure and blushing whenever anyone spoke to me was hardly going to get me a girl who I want to be with.

'you' is the core of your personality. 'You' doesn't necessarily include your social skills. If you were to go through the newbie mission, and fix your inner game, you would still have the same personality inside, you would still be 'you', but you would be a more confident you, with far better social skills.

It's perfectly authentic to rely on routines and other crutches when you go into a set, simply because they're just training wheels. Essential to becoming good. When you get good, you no longer need them.

A.J.
07-29-2007, 11:02 AM
heres my idea, i used to be a shy loser with no friends not even 1 1/2 years ago. i read the game and got sucked into this world and started working on myself. when i went into "pickup mode" i was a cool, funny, cocky, interesting guy and i realized that this shouldn’t be an act this should be my life and eventually i changed into that guy. now im cocky and funny by nature and have loads of confidence. i cant even remember the feeling of being nervous around a girl anymore or being lonely because i had no friends. i love the "pickup" mode of me and i made it into my standard persona. if you dont like faking it then dont fake it, make it apart of you and it will be authentic.

Wolf
08-05-2007, 05:10 PM
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH GUYS!!! It all clicked in for me, thank you thank you. Keep em' coming if you have something new... I'd greatly appreciate it! Oh btw, I have a field report for you guys. I actually went out sarging with some1 I met on the Venusian Arts forum, it was awesome. Well, we went to this club called the Abyss. Anyways, him and I were starting to get into freeze mode so I just went out caveman and decided to do what I felt. I started dancing alone, worked my way to the center of the dance floor, butt tapped this fat chick with my ass, and before you know it, her friend who happened to be the hottest chick in the club, danced with me! Not only that, I gave her purse and drink to the fat girl (no offense), and started dancing with her. I danced so well and she was having such a fun time that everyone in the club turned to us and even the dj and mc were pointing out at us. From there I had my choice to dance with ANY girl in the club and clearly I took total advantage of that. Cool right? But here's where I messed up...
It was good from there, but then I'd look around on the dance floor who to dance with and started getting rejected or accepted. I DON'T GET THIS ONE: should I say hey and just start dancing or should I extend my arm with the biggest smile? Because some girls rejected me and I don't know why... help me out with this one guys. Thanks

-Keep the self-improvement going!

Love,

Nick