My Opener-Transition-Attraction example / Field-tested Routine Stack

[The Magic Man]

A common topic of interest I've noticed with guys starting out in the community is the first 2 minutes of an interaction. We all have the openers, routines, and banter lines, but how do you mix them all together smoothly? I've written below the first 2 minutes of almost every set I open, and as you'll see it flows nicely. It works with a set of 2.

Me: "Hey can I get a female opinion on something?
Girls: "Sure."
Me: "Is it ok to date an ex's friends after you break up?"
Girls: "Depends how close you are"
Me: "Well let's take the two of you for example. [examine them suspiciously, then point to one] Hmm, you look like the good one. Let's say we're dating, everyone thinks we're the cutest couple ever [pull her in for a sideways hug, and smile at the other girl] but then we break up. [point to the other girl] Then you're her naughty best friend [who's always coming on to me, and then we finally hook up. [now point back to good girl] Would you be mad?"
Good Girl: "Omg, I'd kill you."
Me: "So you two are close?"
Girls: "Yeah, totally.
Me: "Actually I have a test to determine how close of friends you really are."
Girls: "What is it?"
Me: "It's called the Best Friend Test."
Girls: "Let's play."
Me: "Ok, I gotta run back to my friends in a sec, but here goes..."
Do Best Friend Test.
Now it's time to neg the target.
Me: "Nice shoes, are you 4 feet tall without them?"
Bad Girl: "Haha shut up. You try wearing these."
From here I can take it in a different directions. I can have the girls do the ESP test on each other, which follows perfectly from the Best Friend Test. But typically I'll go to either C's vs U's or the Finger Length Routine, because they're better for keeping the good girl/bad girl frame I created.
Me: [to the Bad Girl] "Hey, I just noticed you have a U-shaped smile. That means you are indeed a bad girl."
HB: "What's a U-shaped smile?"
I'll explain and show it's proof that she's a bad girl with the Christina Aguilera theory. Now if the other girl has a C-shaped smile it's perfect.
Me: "And you have a C-Shaped smile. That means you're a good girl."
Then I'll explain the C-Shaped smile. If the good girl has a U shaped smile then I'll reverse the frame, explain how I was wrong and she must actually be a bad girl like the other one.
If instead I got into the Finger Length routine then hopefully Bad Girl's ring finger is longer and I'll bust on her for being a sex freak.
At this point the girls are really digging me so I'll have my friend take a picture of us, just as a way to get more touchy-feely with the girls.

This whole thing works for the following reasons:

1) I get into 2 bantering frames (one's my girlfriend and the other is hitting on me) IMMEDIATELY. Most guys are lucky to get in 1 of them so soon. Then I can keep these for the entire interaction, treating the good girl has either a good or bad girlfriend, depending on how's she acting, and the Bad Girl as a sexual predator who's coming onto me.

2) I prove (hopefully) the good girl/bad girl theory with the C's vs U's and Finger Length routine. This is a DHV, and it also allows for the bantering/role playing to continue.

3) The transition into all the routines (especially the Best Friends Test) is totally smooth. It doesn't sound forced at all.

4) The interaction allows for kino very early when I hug the Good Girl to show how cute a couple we are. By the time I get to the routines, they're kinoing me bigtime. Then when when we pose for a picture, they're fighting over here gets to hug me closer.

[10Pin]

This is a solid routine stack. Looking through it, you can see a lot of the key principles (FTC, neg, hook points etc). Smooth transitions and I dig those banter frames.

However - and this is a general point - I always consider having a 'pre-written script' planned out in advance on an interaction clutters the mind and leaves you exposed to the myriad different potential outcomes you can encounter in any given set. It just stops you being 'in the moment'. If you've trained, understood and internalised, trust in your training and overall mindset and you should be all good regardless.

[The Magic Man]

definitely true, this is more of for beginners who need something to actually say when they approach the girl. but it should get a pretty good reaction and the more you use it the more it'll help your confidence and let you improvise the next set.

[X-Press]

Me: "Hey can I get a female opinion on something?


^^^ Does this work better for you than just asking them the actual question?

[Agape]

I love the stages of routine developement but I think using all the same stuff from the books is pretty lame. Anyone can use an opener or discover some cool routines online. Aren't you afraid someone girl is going to say, "OMG, the "Game" right?!

I know 3 girls who've read that book. It is a NY Times Best Seller!!!

[Solus]

Me: "Hey can I get a female opinion on something?


^^^ Does this work better for you than just asking them the actual question?

No. This part should be a statement. "I need a quick female opinion on something". Then ask the question.

Asking permission to ask another question is a weak position to come from.

[CaliDuckMike]

Any (informed) opinions on if this type of stack would work in day game, or just bar/club?

[Merona]

A few things:

1. Don't ask permission to ask. Just say "Hey!"

2. The opener question seems weird. Maybe "Is it okay to date a friend's ex after they break up?" or "Would you date your girlfriend's boyfriend if they broke up?" If one says 'yes' or 'maybe' bust on them for being a bad girl.

3. Good roleplay!

4. I personally don't like routine stacks because it's hard to get it all out. If you can get through it all, more power to you.

[M1yola214]

awesome routine stack i love playing with the bad girl/good girl frame i always use the c vs u smiles and always get good results

very nice dude!

[CaliDuckMike]

How does your version of the BF test in this stack go?

The way I use it, and how I always thought it was is just something like:

pua "You guys are best friends (or really close, whatever), huh?"
set "Yea (how'd you know? etc)"
pua "You guys look at each other every time you (laugh, say something, etc)"

That doesn't seem like it'd work as well in this stack.

[CaliDuckMike]

I also have never understood the Cs vs Us routine-I think it's cuz I've looked at girls' pictures and haven't been able to see/understand the difference. Obviously using stuff you don't get isn't good, and This has been annoying me for a while, can somebody clarify for me??