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Mp3
07-22-2009, 05:33 PM
I have come to notice alot of my problems with Game deal with outcome dependency. How do you eliminate outcome dependency and just enjoy the process?

-"The Joker"

Kind
07-23-2009, 10:02 PM
Be a void a container of information. Then exchange your information with others some information will be fun for others some will not. Focus on the fun stuff that is in you as a person and you will enjoy the process.

Someone
07-24-2009, 04:27 AM
This must be my biggest single problem I have/had. I tend to always push for a close. But if I wasn't pushing I'd get it much easier.

My only advice is, wait for the moment, you will see it clearly.

Hmm you are saying you are not enjoying the moment? I don't think I understand, is there anything better in life than noticing that a hot woman is attracted to you?

Getting rejected is fun too, who the fuck does she think she is? I tend to laugh out loud with my friends if I get rejected.

Guess it's just inner-game that makes you enjoy life.

bizzyb1
07-24-2009, 02:12 PM
You can look at it this way bro. Let go of the outcome...whether you get a number, kiss close, or lay a chick, the world keeps turning...be aware that the universe IS- with or without you opening a set. Get lost in the present moment.

Just my two cents.

Mp3
07-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Guess I'm stuck in my head. I think a better question would be "How do you let go of validation from peers?" Isn't that a big part of outcome dependency?

In fact, another part is being too stuck in your head.

So:

Peer Validation+Being Stuck in your head= Outcome Dependency

If I could find out how to get rid of both factors, I could eliminate outcome dependency.

And, I think I discovered a trick last night to do just that.

I was on the phone with a taken girl. Since I knew she was taken and had no intention of dating her, I was cool and relaxed and not really focused on game. In this relaxed state, I kept throwing out multiple sexual innuendos. I mentioned me working out (DHV spike) And used a quote by arnold schwarzenegger about how reaching the pump was like cumming. She thought I was jerking it on the phone (innuendo). I flipped the script and called her a perve for thinking that way (Framing).We had laughs and she began hitting on me. I continuoly reminded her of her bf (Push/Pull). All of a sudden she says she has the certain urge to call her bf and tell him she loves him. Wen she calls back, she says her bf dumped her.

Long story short, We end up having phone sex twice that night. To me, Thats a close wen she lives a state away:D lol.

Anyway, Going over that story I realized one thing. I didnt care. I knew she had a bf, so I just relaxed.

Now so far, This is just a theory trick, but I'm going to test out this trick to see how effective it is and make sure this wasn't a fluke.

If it does work I may be using this frame frequently. Or I may be getting ahead of myself. Only time will tell ;)

-"The Joker"

bizzyb1
07-24-2009, 02:55 PM
What you were experiencing while talking on the phone is only part of a bigger picture. When you act with no agenda, how can you not succeed? You have succeeded already, my friend. Anything you do in this state of "carelessness"(I don't like this word btw but I'm too lazy to think of a new one) succeeds because you have absoluely no expectations. You just are. There is no pressure from your ego to get a number or anything further, yet you can do it, but with 100% enjoyment, attention, care, and fun!

Mp3
07-24-2009, 03:13 PM
What you were experiencing while talking on the phone is only part of a bigger picture. When you act with no agenda, how can you not succeed? You have succeeded already, my friend. Anything you do in this state of "carelessness"(I don't like this word btw but I'm too lazy to think of a new one) succeeds because you have absoluely no expectations. You just are. There is no pressure from your ego to get a number or anything further, yet you can do it, but with 100% enjoyment, attention, care, and fun!

Right on, But untill I can call on this state of aloofness (try that lol) at all times, I will use this frame trick as a training wheel, sorta like openers are to beginners.