The Venusian Arts Q&A Sessions Vol7: Neo from The Venusian Arts (Finished)

[Prophet]

Hey guys,

It is my pleasure to hand the floor over to Neo to answer all your questions and help you all become better Venusian Artists.

You can view his profile here:

http://www.venusianarts.com/AboutUs.aspx

And you can check out his reviews here:

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Now on with the questions!

[relics]

Prophet, what's happening?

Isn't there a Q&A session with *****?

[Greystoke]

Prophet, i posted a question "on winging" to ***** a few days ago. Can you retrieve this post and PM it to me(or copy it on this thread)?

[Dynamism]

I would also like my questions retrieved.
I was pretty interested in the answer but I forget what exactly I asked since I thought it up "in-the-moment."

Thank you.

[EDIT 37 days later] Got it, mate. No worries. =) See my post below.

[X-Press]

Hello, Neo!

How likely do you think it is to be with a woman who is actually happily in a relationship(3+yrs?)? Do you believe that a mPUA could have almost any woman to act upon her attraction and leave her bf/husband? And let's say that the woman lost her virginity to the person(bf/husband) to spice it up.

[Showcase]

Hey Neo,

Is it possible to turn a current LTR into a MLTR after you already started a relationship with the girl? If so how would you go about doing so?

Thanks.

[Enigma]

Edited:
It seems that Matador has already answered this question, thanks to relics for pointing that out. Neo, if you still want to answer to this question feel free to do so. :D

http://venusianarts.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6422&postcount=15

End of edit. Original question follows:

Is it correct that we should go through this cycle several times? Wouldn't that be weird?

Example:

B: What nationality are you?
H: American.
R: Ohh, really? I love american women...
R: I can't even talk to you anymore[backturn]...

[A few moments later:]

B: So, do you practice sports?
H: Yes, I'm a Karate black belt.
R: No shit! I love women who practice martial arts!
R: I can't even talk to you anymore[backturn]

[repeat the cycle a few more times]
[end of example]

Of course I have exaggerated in the examle by using the exact wording... But, I wonder, are we really supposed to run this B-H-R-R cycle several times?

Thanks, Enigma

[Dynamism]

Aye: question recollected:

Hi Neo.

When transitioning into banter lines and/or funny and cocky, how do you handle a girl who does not respond to these very well?
Example: She may be warm and playful in the same situation with others but what if she's a bit colder to your banter lines?

I can imagine this has happened to a lot of guys, so I want to figure out what to do if the girl takes your banter lines more seriously/literally instead of playing along?

Thanks for your time.

[Enigma]

I wonder,

if you generated tons of attraction in A2, could you then skip A3?

Thanks, Enigma

[jBrett]

Inner game is perhaps one of the hardest and most important skills to improve. What are somethings you've done (books, realizations, choices, ect) that really improve this part of your life. Things that made you happier.

-Brett

[Shortround]

Hey Neo,

I have a serious problem. I can not afford a bootcamp. but I am having a serious problem getting the balls up to approach any chicks,. I have had alot of problems finding a wing . I have a drinkiong buddy that I go ot with regularly hes twice my age.

I tired to get my courage up t onight to approach a chick but when I did i got no IoIs. She instantly went for her phone and wouldnt put it down. So I think it was ecause of me

I desperately need some advice, Thanks for yur help

[Greystoke]

When I am the wingman, and my wing opens a set, do I open my own set and keep an eye on his set for the cue to be introduced/come in?

It is awkward to come into a set before my wing has hooked the set yet. Or, if I come in in the middle of his routine, I am interrupting him.

If I just stand beside his set, I will lose value since i am not being social.

What cue can you or your wingman use to get each other's set?

Please help.

[Neo]

It's been said many times that attraction isn't a choice. A PUA can certainly get attraction, and theoretically depending on the S&R value presented to her by the PUA and her level of comfort with the PUA, then she would choose to align with you sexually.

Hello, Neo!

How likely do you think it is to be with a woman who is actually happily in a relationship(3+yrs?)? Do you believe that a mPUA could have almost any woman to act upon her attraction and leave her bf/husband? And let's say that the woman lost her virginity to the person(bf/husband) to spice it up.

[Neo]

It's definitely possibly, and I've done it. Depending on your level of S&R value that your LTR percieves you have to them, you can have other relationships and your LTR will stay. However if your LTR finds another man to provide similar or more S&R value to her and is willing to be with just her, then you may lose that mLTR... It's important to maintain your status and value throughout the relationship.

Hey Neo,

Is it possible to turn a current LTR into a MLTR after you already started a relationship with the girl? If so how would you go about doing so?

Thanks.

[Neo]

Absolutely, and this happens all the time. Often when the girl has enough attraction and you move her to comfort or seduction without a proper A3, then you'll find you get a high rate of Buyers remorse, because after you sleep with the girl, she will naturally assume that you wanted her for her replication value, and you're not interested in her as a person. Often times with enough attraction in A2, the girl will qualify herself to you without you using the typical BHRR method.

I wonder,

if you generated tons of attraction in A2, could you then skip A3?

Thanks, Enigma

[Neo]

Great question. 2 of the most powerful shifts in my inner game stem directly from my experience in the field. When you do a ton of sets, get positive responses and begin actually saying no to some girls and yes to other girls that you would have previously thought unnatainable, your belief system internally will change so you believe that you can attract women of particular quality, and you will find a natural sense of entitlement to have and be with women of your choice. When you have choice, you don't just go for anything, you feel like you should be with the best and you know you can create that.

Inner game is perhaps one of the hardest and most important skills to improve. What are somethings you've done (books, realizations, choices, ect) that really improve this part of your life. Things that made you happier.

-Brett

[Neo]

Well, most likely you've pissed her off at this point and now you are in damage control. A great way to handle this is to move into A3, and find something that you can compliment her on, and release.

Aye: question recollected:

Hi Neo.

When transitioning into banter lines and/or funny and cocky, how do you handle a girl who does not respond to these very well?
Example: She may be warm and playful in the same situation with others but what if she's a bit colder to your banter lines?

I can imagine this has happened to a lot of guys, so I want to figure out what to do if the girl takes your banter lines more seriously/literally instead of playing along?

Thanks for your time.

[Neo]

I wish that just through simple words I could rewire your brain with the necessary information and feelings to help you overcome your AA. However, the best is to save and take a bootcamp where you are really accountable to making approaches happen. A way to handle this on a budget would be to roll with another wing that is competent and fun, and is willing to hold you accountable, and can give you some decent feedback on your set. If you go into set nervous as hell, women can really sense it and there's nothing alpha about that.

Hey Neo,

I have a serious problem. I can not afford a bootcamp. but I am having a serious problem getting the balls up to approach any chicks,. I have had alot of problems finding a wing . I have a drinkiong buddy that I go ot with regularly hes twice my age.

I tired to get my courage up t onight to approach a chick but when I did i got no IoIs. She instantly went for her phone and wouldnt put it down. So I think it was ecause of me

I desperately need some advice, Thanks for yur help

[Neo]

Ideally you want to be in your own set as your wing is doing his own set. This gives you the opportunity to merge your sets, or do a takeaway on your set after having built and maintained some social value. If I am standing near my wings set by myself I am going to position my body language away and stand by the bar or appear to be part of another set even. Through calibration and reading the sets body language and vibe is going to tell you when to come in. Be discreet but pay attention. Sometimes I come in because the set hooked great, sometimes I interrupt the set when I can just tell my wing is about to lose it.

When I am the wingman, and my wing opens a set, do I open my own set and keep an eye on his set for the cue to be introduced/come in?

It is awkward to come into a set before my wing has hooked the set yet. Or, if I come in in the middle of his routine, I am interrupting him.

If I just stand beside his set, I will lose value since i am not being social.

What cue can you or your wingman use to get each other's set?

Please help.

[Vernon]

Hi Neo,

Question:
How does your ‘game’ differ as the night progresses? Girls are a lot less attentive and coherent as they continue to drink...do you stay with the VA model or do you move to a more ‘direct’ game? Do you continue to Open Sets or do you re-visit the Sets that you have already generated attraction from previously? I’m assuming that you do both...I’m just curious as to how you alter your game, if at all...

~V

[junkyfungus]

... sometimes I interrupt the set when I can just tell my wing is about to lose it.

My question is in regards to this response to Greystoke: When interrupting a set as a wingman because it is about to crash, how exactly do you get it back on track so that the wing still manages to maintain his status as Alpha in the set. If I interrupt a set because it is about to crash I would assume I still follow wing rules, but by jumping in could that not cause a DLV of your wing if it's perceived he was getting shut out and you came into rescue.

We have trouble with this in the Memphis Lair (BTW it would be awesome if you and the other instructors stopped by and said hi www.cultivatedpower.com) . We usually just let the set crash because we are unsure what exactly we could do to pick the set back up. Some of us have different energy levels and inadvertently can take a set away from a new guy struggling. Please help with this.

[JimSmith]

I've been wrestling with this idea about what the difference is between Attract stage and Comfort (Yes i know the obvious textbook difference). I realized the only difference is mainly you DHV to the target opposed to the group. Also comfort is usually a more isolated intimate conversation. Lower energy level, talk slower, maybe quiter, talk more personal about each ohter, relate more about feelings, share secrets, childhood stories (also can do in attract stage), and most importantly what i've been working at, vulnerability.

I used stuff like "Dont get any ideas now, im not that easy" to release things or set the frame that she is the one pursuing me. Its important to use Attract material in order to keep her on her toes and keep her chasing. If there isn't any of that, there would be no thrill, no chase or excitement for her. She alraedy has won you over.

Examples of how i used A2 material in comfort: "Don't get any ideas now, im not that easy" "Too bad ur such a dork" jealousy plotline, fuck marry kill game, etc.

My question is how do you calibrate and know how much Attract material to use and when to use it? How do you make sure u don't go backwards in the sarge and destroy rapport by being too C/F? If she plays hard to get such as saying "Oh no im not going home with you tonight", do you revert back to A2 because she isn't complying? How do you know when u should revert back to A2?

[Luxberry]

Prophet, what's happening?

Isn't there a Q&A session with *****?

Yeah apparently VA tried to trade mark his name. Haha.

[Enigma]

I remember reading in the old mystery website(around 2002) that you should get the number after 15 minutes and eject in order to avoid damaging the first good impression you generated.

Is this still accepted wisdom in MM? How long should you try to stay?

[Prophet]

Hey guys, Neo had a personal emergency and is unable to finish his Q&A session. I'm starting Hawaii's Q&A thread HERE (http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2234) so if you repost your questions there, I'm sure Hawaii will be more than happy to answer them.