ON RATING WOMENS' ATTRACTIVENESS - The Natural Approach

[Johnny Soporno]

This is basically something I presented at the Cliff's List Convention which seemed to have had the desired effect :)

Note: Please take into account that this does not address 'calibration' or other methodical and procedural jusitifcations for established rating schemes; and that the KEY element in using such schemes is not YOUR assessment of the target, but rather HOW SHE VIEWS HERSELF! (thanks to Vincent Chase for this reframe)

I believe what I am describing here is the NORMAL, NATURAL, and AUTOMATIC 'attractiveness' scale which is used in all first-world societies, regardless of gender/sexual preference.

I believe that fundamentally, the TRUE rating-system which normal men and women both use is a four level scale, from zero-to-three.

0 - I WOULDN'T fuck 'em.
1 - I COULD fuck 'em...
2 - I'D LIKE to fuck 'em!
3 - They wouldn't fuck me.

This is very elegant in that it requires no external guidelines for definition, needn't be vocalized, and is, of course, completely subjective. In fact, it's pretty-much ingrained into everyone from birth.

HOWEVER, once you reach a certain-level of experience in The Game, and have TRULY established yourself as a Worthy Playboy, you realize that there is NO SUCH THING as a category of people who are unattainable. Oh, there are specific individuals who won't hook up with you, but they might come from the 0 category as readily as the 3's.

So we can, and will, entirely drop the notion of 3's - WHOOMP! Gone.

Now there are only three levels...

Much easier

Of course, by the time you've reached THAT level, you've also eliminated all memory of 'sexual desperation' - It's so far in your past, you can't even imagine being hard-up for sexual company, or needing to settle for something less than delightful. In fact, you'd much rather sleep alone that go to bed with someone you're not attracted to....

SO we can entirely eliminate the notion of 1's, and there there were two.

VERY simple now, with only two options: Yes or No...

I WOULDN'T fuck 'em
I'D LIKE to fuck 'em

NOW - sometimes a perfect YES will instant drop to an absolute NO within seconds of meeting them...

For example:
Across the room, this girl is STUNNING, dressed to kill, perfect lips, great body, bedroom eyes... and you make your approach, and she enthusiastically responds with:
"I'm SO glad you're here, all night long nothing but fuckin' [severly offensive racial slur here] bastards have been hitting on me all night! Like I'd EVEN TALK TO THEM!"

And (for most of us anyway, I should hope) she immediately flips the switch, drops to a ZERO and we recoil. Damn shame... but instead of thinking "Wow, that was an HB9.5! I can be a hypocrit and compromise myself for a 9.5!" you see her for what she TRULY is - a zero. NEXT!

There are a limitless number of things which can cause a YES to become a NO - sometime immediately obvious, sometimes insidious, but IF the rating changes, it's time to walk away.

That said, there's also often something which justifies a transition from a NO to a YES! - Because as mature Players, you no-longer need to be bothered with the concept of WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK of your playmates... You go to bed with people who turn you on & make you happy and proud to be with them, not because other guys will envy you.

Maybe the person in question has changed externally - lost weight, had cosmetic surgery, spend months in the gym, whatever... maybe the person has change internally, recanted from her previous psychotic or otherwise unattractive mindset, and become someone you can enjoy... or maybe YOU have changed and you've become more interested in her and her bodyshape matters less than it did before... but IF that switch changes, GO FOR IT. No one else has ANYTHING to say about whether the object of your affections is 'hot enough' for you...
Q: "Why are fat chicks like Mopeds?"
A: "Because they're fun to ride on as long as nobody you know sees you!"

Now, at THIS level of The Game, you'd NEVER worry about how you'd look in other's eyes - you just do what makes sense and feels right TO YOU - no regrets!

It's YOUR LIFE, and YOUR HAPPINESS, and if you're too weak to follow-up a YES because other people might decide she's a NO, you're an idiot. Right? And NO Worthy Playboy would EVER look down his nose at someone who's HAPPY - 'cuz nothing else matters - THEY'RE WINNING THE GAME IF THEY ARE HAPPY!

Now, I'd like to remind you all, I'm NOT suggesting that you start dating women who don't turn you on - not by any means. There's no happiness in THAT at all.

What I'm ACTUALLY saying is that there's ACTUALLY a very distinct division between someone you wouldn't go to bed with, and someone you'd like to go to bed with, and ONLY YOU can decide on which side any particular person exists.

Good Luck! And may you find endless happiness with many subjectively-beautiful playmates!

Johnny Soporno

[Randel Flagg]

but your still rating women. whats the difference between hb 10 and a 3?? You still on a number scale.

[Johnny Soporno]

but your still rating women. whats the difference between hb 10 and a 3?? You still on a number scale.

Hi Tredd - I always appreciate well-reasoned and coherent feedback!

Now that you've gone to the trouble of responding to the post, why not try READING IT?

Sheesh!

There is NO number scale. It's STRICTLY Pass/Fail - Yes or No.

You must overcome your need for validation from other men.

Make your descisions based on SOLELY your own tastes and temperment... and never worry at all about what other people think.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[TruePlayer]

blah, blah, blah...

*snore*

1-10 will do fine.

OP=Another wannabe Einstein of the Venusian Arts.

[relics]

love this post.

Honestly, 1-10 was getting real old for me, and girls in the game thinks it made me judgemental.

[fishbulb]

I can't find any flaws in that logic JS. Good stuff.

[ReallyPatheticFatSlob]

I'm going to use this as a routine. haha

[Johnny Soporno]

I'm going to use this as a routine.


Go for it, RPFS! It works :)

Women are JUST LIKE MEN - they check a guy out, and they think

0 - Not enough beer on Earth
1 - Maybe If I'm really horny
2 - That's what I'm talkin' about!
3 - OMFG! He's SO gorgeous! But he's outta my league...

Now, the truly gorgeous and comfortable-with-themselves girls, just like mature Players, drop both the 0s and 1s into the "No" pile, and transition the 3s and 2s into the "YES" pile, and govern themselves accordingly.

:)

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[specialK]

I think it's usable. "Natural" seems like a good word for it too since it boils down to either do or don't do, bone or non-bone.

[Randel Flagg]

Hey dude

Chill out! Im just pushing your buttons thats all. :P

[Johnny Soporno]

Chill out! Im just pushing your buttons thats all. :P

Sorry for taking what you'd written initially at face-value... I've learned my lesson for the future!

Johnny Soporno

[DirtyDiggler]

I don't really know how to feel about this post. It sounds like a great way to keep rAFC's to stay in their comfort zone instead of trying to improve the quality of the women they game.

We can all agree that certain traits (whether they be physical or not) objectively define attractiveness. Hip to waist ratio, clear skin, facial symetry, clear eyes, healthy hair, a healthy tan, bust size, physical fitness, intelligence, outgoingness (if that's even a word), age, and a whole host of personality traits collectively define what is attractive to men. We can all agree that she:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/snow_010.jpg is objectively a 0-1, while she:

http://supermodels.nl/giselebundchen

is objectively a 10.

Sure, for whatever reason, some guys wouldn't be interested in Gisele, and some guys would be into a girl with down's syndrome. Also, we might disagree, within a normal range, who/what qualifies as a 5 vs 6 or 6 vs 8; you might say gisele is only a 9. We would all agree, however, on a general objective range of physical attractiveness for any woman. Of course the 1-10 rating is limited, but if I tell you I'm banging an 8, you can make safe assumptions about her physical attributes; even if when you see her you might say she's only a 7 or she's really a 9. So it's useful as a means of communicating, to other people, a female's physical attractiveness.

More importantly, it's useful as a way to communicate a female's physical atractiveness to oneself so that you can guage your progress. I'll use myself as an example here... I will, without any additional information, bang any girl that is rated at a 7 or higher. Sure, some 6's have great personalities that I find attractive so they shoot up a point or two; similarly, some HB's get instant downgrades the moment they speak. Really though, all this is saying is that there are bitches and angels at every point on the 1-10 scale. All things being equal, I'd prefer to be with a 10 who is cool as shit than be with a 7 who is equally cool.

I know, though, that if I go out I can pull 7's-8's all day long without any serious effort on my part; frequently 7's open me. I don't, however, pull 9's-10's regularly. Why? I currently believe it's because I'm comfortable with 7's and I'm not leaving my comfort zone to open 9's-10's. Since I understand this, I am able to challenge myself to approach women of a higher physical caliber. If I, at my current ability level, were to just go with a yes/no scale then I'll never actually challenge myself to improve; I'll just stick with the low-hanging fruit.

Fundamentally, this is the problem with a yes/no system. A true PUA cares less about the quantity of women he is with, rather it's the quality that matters. I know that I could literally go out and bang a different UG4-5 every night if I were so inclined, but that wouldn't mean I've got game, it would mean I have no standards. If we agree that there are women with amazing personalities that are 1's just as there are that are 10's, and there are horrible cunt 10's and 1's, then we should all be striving to land ourselves an amazing 10, right? A yes/no system, for a guy who hasn't mastered himself or PUArtistry, is a recipe for mediocrity. It alows him to justify personal development stagnation.

Or at least that's what the nyquil I'm taking for my cold thinks...

[Johnny Soporno]

I don't really know how to feel about this post.

Fundamentally, this is the problem with a yes/no system. A true PUA cares less about the quantity of women he is with, rather it's the quality that matters.... A yes/no system, for a guy who hasn't mastered himself or PUArtistry, is a recipe for mediocrity. It alows him to justify personal development stagnation.

Or at least that's what the nyquil I'm taking for my cold thinks...


That Nyquil is powerful medicine! Much like The Sphynx of Imagination, while under its influence, it's best not to drive!
I'm sure once your cold is passed, you'll see the message in my initial posting much more clearly!

Meanwhile, you've hit the nail on the head, DD - The Yes/No scale ONLY comes into play AFTER the Player has developed his game sufficiently.

First, he must recognize that there's no such thing as 'out of his league', no matter that she's a Dutch Supermodel or what-have-you:
http://supermodels.nl/annemarievandijk

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/835491776_97989da905_o.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1099/835491808_8de1908f0b_o.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1065/835517748_9abdea2a3e_m.jpg (Yes, the girl on my arm here is the girl in the preceding two photos)

That's when he drops the NATURAL four-level scale back to just three-levels... and equally naturally, he recognizes that he needn't EVER 'settle' for anything less than what he WANTS; and thereby disposes of all the "I coulds" into the "I wouldn't" pile.

Only AFTER he has come to comfort with the notion that he IS the prize, that it doesn't matter if he's too heavy, too old, or obviously too horny ;) -
It's his self-confidence and self-satisfaction (his 'Inner Game') which make ANYTHING and everything possible.

I'm a fine testament to this - I'm fat, furry, and funny-lookin', and I still do better than most rockstars!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

www.WorthyPlayboys.com (http://venusianarts.com/forum/www.WorthyPlayboys.com) <- fun photos

[Faust]

Johnny,

Your system is more human. I never really liked the number system, for a few reasons. Firstly, it dehumanizes women. I understand at some point the PUA trainee must think of his targets as, well, targets in order to overcome his anxiety. But that's just a crutch. Secondly, one's HB8 is probably another's HB6. I for one rarely find so-called HB8-9 that attractive. I prefer the normal girls.

[Randel Flagg]

No problem dude.

You have some good points I think its great stuff Its just for some of us once you get in a rut, its tough to change your ways. Doesnt mean your wrong.

Keep the good stuff comming

[Tailgunner]

very good post Johnny,

I agree with the "scale" that you use. It is similar to a scale that I would apply in the field. However, things change even after one drink. :)

I believe you scale is good to rate ones potential for hookup, however, when conversing with a wing, I believe that the traditional scals my serve to make things easier. My resoning behind this is that everyone's prefrences are so different. I have sort of high standards, some of my friends do not. They would esentially fuck anything that walks.:cool: So if a friend was to approach me with "they are fuckable and we should sarge them" They could be a 2 on the traditional scale and I wouldnt want to waste my time.

Plus, the traditional scale is almost universal with a margin of error of one or two points (eg an HB8 to me may be a HB6 to someone else) and its just sometimes easirer to chat especiall if you with an unfamillar wing.

But both have there pros and cons

[deuz]

Great post!!

[Sh0t]

For a long time i've been using this system:

A: girls you'd fuck and brag about fucking
B: girls you'd fuck and not tell anybody(fatties when you were desperate, etc)
C: girls you would not fuck


I don't think "girls you couldn't fuck" is really necessary. you still want to fuck then, but can't.

Also, for A and b girls, there is an ordinal ranking. For example, I'd rather fuck mary than kate, but i'dfuck both i given the chance, etc.

[Good]

For a long time i've been using this system:

A: girls you'd fuck and brag about fucking
B: girls you'd fuck and not tell anybody(fatties when you were desperate, etc)
C: girls you would not fuck


I don't think "girls you couldn't fuck" is really necessary. you still want to fuck then, but can't.

Also, for A and b girls, there is an ordinal ranking. For example, I'd rather fuck mary than kate, but i'dfuck both i given the chance, etc.

I like the abc, but I feel that the only girl I could not bone would be the one I did not approach. (cocky, ain't I)

Good Post Johnny!

[SONICBOObs]

My rating scale is slightly different than most guys. I do believe in 10s but its under rare almost unearthly coincidences. I.e. she it cant be solely based on looks AND/ OR personality. An experienced guys 10 is my 9.9.

[Diploman]

Assuming one is a reasonably attractive dude and has improved his game to the point where women find him interesting, there are always going to be 0s and 1s on your scale who become attracted to the PUA. How do you recommend letting them know that you are not interested, while not coming off as a complete prick and inciting them to ruin your frame with the 3s out there?

Something I'm doing is giving off the vibe that I am attainable to these undesirable types and I need some advice on how to send them off looking for someone who might appreciate a bigger or facially challenged girl.

[cooldude]

You need to reach a level to understand what he is talking about.
I never see the game only from my perspective ..I see it from both sides ..If the girl thinks she can sleep with me ..it's so much easier to game her ..and they def do. If you keep your ears open ..they dont count from 0-10 ..they either say something like ..I'd never sleep with him ..or only if I am drunk..check Avis..or ..she is ready to strip it all. So if you can understand 0-3 ideology then you have gone to the next level of PU mind set ..as you will never be able to read a woman's mind ..well u just might ..keep tryin..;))
:cool:

[Allstar]

The 1-10 scale is based off a across the room, physical attraction. You develop if she is a 1-10 on first glance and if you do a double take she is a 11. The 1-10 scale is a stereotype, a way to organize data.

Johnny's scale is determined after you get to know the target (I might be off on this). Just because a girl is a 10 doesn't make her a yes and just because you feel she is a 10 and everyone else thinks she is a 5 doesn't make her a no. Do what makes you happy.

I like how Johnny started off with a 4 scale and with experience it gets down to a 2 scale. Good way to measure where you are in the game. I have found out I am still at the 3 scale because I still get persuaded by social proof.

A thought I have. I think men are a lot easier to get down to the 2 number scale system but women I do not find it happening. Women are HIGHLY geared toward social proof, a LOT higher than a man. Comments on this Johnny?

Interesting to see that I used a very similar model and even posted about it before this post. I used 1,2,3 instead of 0-2 but the 0-2 makes more sense.

0- Hell no
1- If I was drunk
2- I would fuck her sober

I was at the 3 scale because I don't have the thought of someone being out of my league.

I watched the first part of your videos of "Seductive Reasoning" and plan on finishing one a day. You mentioned how you are a management consultant, that is what I am intending on doing.

[Johnny Soporno]

Johnny's scale is determined after you get to know the target (I might be off on this). Just because a girl is a 10 doesn't make her a yes and just because you feel she is a 10 and everyone else thinks she is a 5 doesn't make her a no. Do what makes you happy.

You've got it, in essence, excepting that the 0-3 scale (which is ALWAYS entirely subjective) begins from first-instant-assessment, but is re-adjusted as you become better acquainted with the individual (as a person). The interesting thing here is, a STUNNING beauty can sure look ugly once you know certain distasteful things about her..


I like how Johnny started off with a 4 scale and with experience it gets down to a 2 scale. Good way to measure where you are in the game. I have found out I am still at the 3 scale because I still get persuaded by social proof.

Knowing it's half the battle, Allstar! :)

A thought I have. I think men are a lot easier to get down to the 2 number scale system but women I do not find it happening. Women are HIGHLY geared toward social proof, a LOT higher than a man. Comments on this Johnny?

Women tend to crave SECURITY over approval. That's why Anna Nicole Smith needn't worry about marrying a decrepit geriatric - his wealth ensured other women would accept her decision as pragmatic. ANY average woman would have done the same, if she were a single-mom, I expect.

Men, conversely, tend to value approval FAR above security, (and virtually always above Freedom, tragically).
A man, therefore, would hesitate or refuse to find themselves in a similar situation, hooked up with an elderly woman who was worth fantastically more than he was, say a billion dollars.
That said, ANY average man WOULD do it, if he were certain he wouldn't have to be SEEN to be doing it; because the internalized experience of externally-assigned shame (disapproval) of being publicly acknowledged as that mercenary would never be able to live-down the sense of disapproval he would suffer if he were to permit his circumstance to be publicized.

Women, in our society, are basically empowered with only ONE choice - the choice of which of the interested-parties she will vend her sexuality to, ie marry. All of her social-status is fundamentally related to how high-quality her potential purchasers are, until she finally signs her contract - so she must spend all her 'pre-marriage' life ensuring she maintains a high-desirability by suggesting that she is Brand-New (virginal) or at worst 'slightly experienced' ('pre-loved' as opposed to 'used'.) ;)

For the record, I wouldn't EVER date a virgin, because any woman who'd bought into THAT pile of BS until she was old-enough to be a potential playmate of mine (21ish) would be TOO psychologically damaged for me. Now, if she were to 'recover' and go fuck 20 or 30 guys in a hurry, THEN I'd start to take her seriously :D


I hope that helps!

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

[Johnny Soporno]

Assuming one is a reasonably attractive dude and has improved his game to the point where women find him interesting, there are always going to be 0s and 1s on your scale who become attracted to the PUA. How do you recommend letting them know that you are not interested, while not coming off as a complete prick and inciting them to ruin your frame with the 3s out there?

Something I'm doing is giving off the vibe that I am attainable to these undesirable types and I need some advice on how to send them off looking for someone who might appreciate a bigger or facially challenged girl.


If you aren't interested in a girl, you might try pointing out another girl, telling her how hot you think another girl is, and ask her for advice or help in getting to know the new girl - this will be accepted as a rejection-in-fact, but she'll exonerate you from being judged an asshole, and just classify you in her mind as an insensitive-bastard (ie, a man)

It also gains you an instant pivot, in the best-case!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Diploman]

If you aren't interested in a girl, you might try pointing out another girl, telling her how hot you think another girl is, and ask her for advice or help in getting to know the new girl - this will be accepted as a rejection-in-fact, but she'll exonerate you from being judged an asshole, and just classify you in her mind as an insensitive-bastard (ie, a man)

It also gains you an instant pivot, in the best-case!



Great and simple advice. Thank you for taking the time to answer.

[Tairne]

That my friend was the BEST post I have read bar none. I have grappled with this issue as well. Personally I am in love with a woman I think there is no number for not even an HB1000 would describe her but others say she's beautiful and would be an HB10 but needs to lose some weight. She is only a size 16 and I think she is sexy as hell in every way, has a quick mind, is intelligent, kind and is all around wonderful. Hell she even volunteers for several organizations. The part of I love about her is she is confidant in her beauty. She's not snobby but she loves her body and her curves. She wears sexy cloths that show it off but is demure. She is very physically active and dances like a goddess. She teaches belly dancing in the club early Saturday nights and those same friends that say she is too fat go early on Saturdays to watch her teach other women. I have started letting her know I am interested because I will be damn lucky if she choses me and I am no slouch! I genuinely like who I am and the way I look. I think she likes me but she is so kind to everyone so it is hard to see if it is just me, or simply because she is a kind person.

[Saturn5]

I don't believe the proposed scale is adequate. In reality, I use some variation of that pass/fail scale AND the standard 1-10 scale. Since I would typically only screw a 7 or higher, I suppose it would be more accurate to say that I use a 7-10 scale. :p Seriously, my view is that limbic brain decides within seconds whether or not you would F a particular broad. In my case, if the answer is "no", then my conscious brain doesn't bother processing further. It just discards the broad as an option (this is strictly in terms of the potential of sleeping with, NOT necessarily the potential of being friendly with the girl in question). If the answer is "yes", then the conscious brain takes over and decides is she a 7, 8, 9, or 10?

This leads me to another question: I often see the HB (hot babe) designation start at 6 (e.g., HB6). Is a 6 really a hot babe?? I don't even consider a lot of 8's to be hot babes!

[gaash2]

Most guys have a general idea what a 7,8,9,10,6,4, or whatever means... Instead of having to describe someone in excrutiating detail... using a number to describe their appearance roughly is simply much easier than anything else. The scale doesn't need to have anything to do with how much you want to screw someone.

I don't believe the proposed scale is adequate. In reality, I use some variation of that pass/fail scale AND the standard 1-10 scale. Since I would typically only screw a 7 or higher, I suppose it would be more accurate to say that I use a 7-10 scale. :p Seriously, my view is that limbic brain decides within seconds whether or not you would F a particular broad. In my case, if the answer is "no", then my conscious brain doesn't bother processing further. It just discards the broad as an option (this is strictly in terms of the potential of sleeping with, NOT necessarily the potential of being friendly with the girl in question). If the answer is "yes", then the conscious brain takes over and decides is she a 7, 8, 9, or 10?

This leads me to another question: I often see the HB (hot babe) designation start at 6 (e.g., HB6). Is a 6 really a hot babe?? I don't even consider a lot of 8's to be hot babes!

[CrazyWilly]

I'll chime in with a different philosophy. How you judge the looks of some HB I'm into doesn't really matter to me. There are plenty of HBs who would fall into the 9+ catagory that I don't go past C1 with. You may ask why... and its easy to explain, there are certain HBs who look good standing at the bar. And there are other HBs who can give me what I want in the bedroom. I won't claim that my sex life is vanilla in any way, so a HBs looks will only get her up to C1 or so. The nice innoccent HB isn't interesting to me in a sexual way particularly. The HB who probably could lose 10 lbs and do her makeup better...but is a freak in bed. Well, thats the one I want to go to bed with.

So I encourage you not to only sleep with HB7+ but instead find people you are on the same page with sexually. From experience, it'll make the sex more fun.

So the whole concept of a HB9 is nothing more than a way to show off in front of your friends. My understanding of my own life is solid enough, I don't really care what you think about my choices in HBs...if I'm happy thats all that matters to me.

But if you want to keep giving numbers to HBs, then enjoy.

[Deft9]

I hear what you're saying Johnny, but the 1-10 scale still make sense to me. If somebody says they were talking to a 10, an 8, or a 5, it gives me a decent idea of what they are dealing with. It's much more descriptive than a yes or a no.

I'm not a mPUA, so I definitely feel a lot more anxious talking to a 10 than an 8. The world isn't like Shallow Hal. Men rate women primarily based on their looks (replication value). It's shallow, unfair, and absolutely true.


I remember an article written by Adam Carolla about how men rate women and women rate men. It was kind of interesting so I'll post the basics of it:
How women rate men:
1. Looks 10 pts
2. Personality 10 pts
3. Sense of Humor 5 pts Intelligence 5 pts
4. Position (like CEO or McDonalds drive through guy) 10 pts

Add up and divide by 4 to get your score. Obviously Mystery's theory of "attraction switches" is a little bit different, but anyway... Conversely, men rate women like this:
1. Body 10 pts
2. Face 10 pts
3. Personality 10 pts
4. Manageability (high-maintenance/low-maintenance) 10 pts

I guess my point is that a girl's looks are very important, and we shouldn't have to apologize for that.

[Johnny Soporno]

I hear what you're saying Johnny, but the 1-10 scale still make sense to me.

It sounds to me like you, and a lot of the others who've been reading this thread, have managed to ignore the MEANING behind the original post, and merely got caught up in the specifics of the 'rating scale' issue.

The ACTUAL point of the message is that socially mature, self-aware, self-satisfied men waste neither time nor energy seeking validation from other people, ESPECIALLY through external assessments of the looks of their playmates.

ONLY you own individual happiness matters - and each person must FIND THEIR HAPPINESS, which must not be a function of receiving third-party affirmation.

Ultimately, ONLY YOU can decide if you're into a girl enough to enjoy sex with her - not your friends, not random onlookers, and LEAST OF ALL - your rivals.

The message I'm putting out here is two-fold:

1) ONLY SLEEP WITH GIRLS WHOM *YOU* DESIRE

2) DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK


If somebody says they were talking to a 10, an 8, or a 5, it gives me a decent idea of what they are dealing with. It's much more descriptive than a yes or a no.

Since those numbers are ENTIRELY subjective, all they can confer is the degree of anxiety or lack-of-enthusiasm which was felt by the reporter - and BOTH are suspect, based upon the actual outcome of the events which are being described ;).



I'm not a mPUA, so I definitely feel a lot more anxious talking to a 10 than an 8. The world isn't like Shallow Hal. Men rate women primarily based on their looks (replication value). It's shallow, unfair, and absolutely true.

Precisely - and that is JUST what I'm talking about!

There is NO POINT in assessing a woman as 'more valuable' or 'less valuable' based upon her looks UNLESS you're a modelling agent, or other professional gauger of women's looks, for marketing purposes...

Instead, merely ascertain INTERNALLY whether a specific girl is interesting to you, and whether YOU could get an erection and use it with her.

THAT has meaning :)


I hope this helps!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Syd.PUA.novice]

Nice post Johhny! Alwesome to see different perspectives and ideas.

Im also going to study it as a routine as it is a great conversaiton topic as seen by the response to the thread, im suprised none of the females have responded yet :p

[Johnny Soporno]

Nice post Johhny! Alwesome to see different perspectives and ideas.

Im also going to study it as a routine as it is a great conversaiton topic as seen by the response to the thread, im suprised none of the females have responded yet :p

They probably haven't NOTICED it yet - and I don't know who they are, so if anyone could point some of the female members to the OP of this thread, it'll be great to get their thoughts. :)

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Chika]

I think this 'scale' makes a ton more sense....

Clinging to the 1-10 is more about proving your 'manhood' to other men... which negates doing that anyway. You don't have to prove anything to anyone if you are really the alpha you say you are.

Also, looks are entirely subjective... one guy might think a women who stacked... with fake boobs, fake hair, fake nails, fake tan but gets the job at Maxim is hot but another dude might be disgusted by all that silicone and artifice.

It really does boil down to whom you wanna screw and who you don't.

If you need a high five for every move you make... you've FAILED at life.