Demonstrating Ultimate Value.

[Rich]

Demonstrating Ultimate Value.

The other day I was in set and went over board
with DHV, I noticed that the set was looking at
me with great admiration.

I knew that so long as I built a genuine connection
with the set more so the target, I would be able to
number close.

You see the problem is calibrating to the set when
we all know it takes 30 sec for the target to forum an
opinion of you.

The solution is DUV, as in keep on DHV as much as
possible in the initial interaction after the open. Then
later build genuine interest in the target.

If you have built to much value you can always tone
it down later. It's a lot easier to DLV when you have
enough value, rather then TRYING to DHV more when
you never had enough value based on the initial inter-
action.

Rich.

[Yoda]

So did you just stack DHV after DHV? Or did you use a more potent DHV?

And just out of curiosity, could you post it up for us to see?

[DarkPrince]

I’m interested in knowing how this is done, because too much DHV usually comes out as bragging, unless you collaborate it Precisely, and as it was said, too much DHV = DLV as in proforming too many magic tricks you become the entertainer!

I’m interested in how you managed this!

[leslav]

It is my guess that the original post is not based on field observation.

[tannhauser]

Rich.
some questions about this post...




You see the problem is calibrating to the set when
we all know it takes 30 sec for the target to forum an
opinion of you.

The solution is DUV,

how do I DUV in the first 30 seconds? It is impossible to do unless you are a rock star ect. The solution to the dilema of the target forming an opinion of you in the first 30 seconds is ..reaching the hook point.

If you have built to much value you can always tone
it down later. It's a lot easier to DLV when you have
enough value, rather then TRYING to DHV more when
you never had enough value based on the initial inter-
action.


when would one possibly DHV to much and need to DLV. if you are bragging and look come off as a jerk that is different, it is not DHVing.

~RT esq

[JCMoney]

I'm not really following what you're saying in this post. Sounds like you're running too much A2 game and never transitioning into A3. If you stick around in A2, you'll become a dancing monkey (as stated above) or just look like a conceited prick. You have to look out for the IOI's and any compliance they give you. Once you get them, it's time to test if they're ready for A3. This is my biggest sticking point in my game so I feel you.

[Yoda]

I think he's rushing to DHV (and perhaps overdoing it) rather than dragging it out.

But hey, if he's field tested it, then I'd like to know how he's doing it :D

[Rich]

Ok, guys Yes this is field tested however
you can only DUV in set after you have
social proof. Meaning after you have already
DHV in another set.

You see the thing is as far as the set is concerned
you are a Rock Star, well so to speak or at the
very least you have the value of one.

Picture a rock star just telling storys and other
wise jokeing around and entertaing a set of
people. All this guy is doing is being him self.

People will tend to belive that you are of higher
value then they are, however in order to confirm
this belife you have to have social proof.

So only after obtaining Social Proof, and I dont mean
you opened 1 set and made them laugh. You open
untill sets open you.

So DUV is not an easy task. However if done correctly
it is the next phase in building value. I'm tired just got
off work and was lait on a break because I went to the
casino for 15 min...

Any way if you guys want, I'll write a mini- book on this
subject complete with field reports, as well as other quotes
and articles to back up my conclusions.

:eek:

Rich.

Still think it cant be done?

[JCMoney]

Ok, guys Yes this is field tested however
you can only DUV in set after you have
social proof. Meaning after you have already
DHV in another set.

You see the thing is as far as the set is concerned
you are a Rock Star, well so to speak or at the
very least you have the value of one.

Picture a rock star just telling storys and other
wise jokeing around and entertaing a set of
people. All this guy is doing is being him self.

People will tend to belive that you are of higher
value then they are, however in order to confirm
this belife you have to have social proof.

So only after obtaining Social Proof, and I dont mean
you opened 1 set and made them laugh. You open
untill sets open you.

So DUV is not an easy task. However if done correctly
it is the next phase in building value. I'm tired just got
off work and was lait on a break because I went to the
casino for 15 min...

Any way if you guys want, I'll write a mini- book on this
subject complete with field reports, as well as other quotes
and articles to back up my conclusions.

:eek:

Rich.

Still think it cant be done?




ill read the mini-book

[Godhand]

Ok, guys Yes this is field tested however
you can only DUV in set after you have
social proof. Meaning after you have already
DHV in another set.

You see the thing is as far as the set is concerned
you are a Rock Star, well so to speak or at the
very least you have the value of one.

Picture a rock star just telling storys and other
wise jokeing around and entertaing a set of
people. All this guy is doing is being him self.

People will tend to belive that you are of higher
value then they are, however in order to confirm
this belife you have to have social proof.

So only after obtaining Social Proof, and I dont mean
you opened 1 set and made them laugh. You open
untill sets open you.

So DUV is not an easy task. However if done correctly
it is the next phase in building value. I'm tired just got
off work and was lait on a break because I went to the
casino for 15 min...

Any way if you guys want, I'll write a mini- book on this
subject complete with field reports, as well as other quotes
and articles to back up my conclusions.

:eek:

Rich.

Still think it cant be done?

Sounds interesting. Would probably make for a good read.

[Yoda]

It's not that we don't believe you, it's the way you introduced it that
sparked our curiosity.

The other day I was in set and went over board
with DHV, I noticed that the set was looking at
me with great admiration.

[Rich]

Yoda,

I'm going to a Keg Party tonight then maby some chicks party...Any way point is I will use my DUV theorie and write a complete field report. It is a good friend of mine who is having the party so after about 10 min my Social Proof will be through the roof.

I also will know 100% people their that matter but thats besides the point. Sorry if I seem a bit full of my self, I just ended it with a LTR that loves me...I feel weird...

Later guys,

Rich.

[Yoda]

Cool, I'll be looking forward to your field report then... have it on my desk by monday :p

[Pounding]

sounds to me like your running solid game. I guess i'm confused on what the difference is between solid game and Demonstrating ULTIMATE Value is? i would like to see this field report.

[Rich]

(PREVIEW)

Any way I number closed at the Keg party, I also number closed at Ashley's party...and I thought that chick didn't like me. I also did a 3-Sec Kiss close on some HB9 walking on the side walk after I was kicked out of the cab.

I'll post the Break down and theorie of last night later, I also have a 3-Bar pub crawl that I arranged for tonight.

This FR will be long...
(PREVIEW)

[Tyler Durden]

All this is really crap. Sorry to say it that way, but if you have social proof you don't need any "DUV". So what's the point?

I mean if it's working for you-fine but it's not a routine or something like that.

First of it doesn't matter what routines, what DHV story or what opener you use it's all about your mindset. Believe in yourself and you can go in with a simple:"I hate cats"

Right now everybody in the community is trying to "invent" something new. Even if this person's game just consists of 3 approaches a month.

Stop trying to get attention or validation! Just go out. Be in the field. That's where innovations are made!(and I'm not adressing that to you Rich)

[Rich]

Any way,

All this is really crap. Sorry to say it that way, but if you have social proof you don't need any "DUV". So what's the point?

First of all you know nothing of my term, as I have not really said all that much...So how can you make an educated opinion as to it's value?

Stop trying to get attention or validation! Just go out. Be in the field. That's where innovations are made!

Your right, DUV is a mind set, it is a FRAME so strong that it is meant to over take a venue, with out seeking validation from others.

Oh, and Tyler all great innovations are made in the field your completely right. Also people are making new terms like crazy, REF: The Claw!

Thank you for the input Tyler, I look forward to reading and contributing to your posts as well. I post because I love helping people, I belive every guy should have his time to shine. What is the reason you post on a forum that is not your own? I'm sure the RSD could use your input...


Cheers,

Rich.

PS: Thanks again Tyler :)

PPS: I wish I can some day be as good as you with women.

[Limelight]

Any way,



First of all you know nothing of my term, as I have not really said all that much...So how can you make an educated opinion as to it's value?



Your right, DUV is a mind set, it is a FRAME so strong that it is meant to over take a venue, with out seeking validation from others.

Oh, and Tyler all great innovations are made in the field your completely right. Also people are making new terms like crazy, REF: The Claw!

Thank you for the input Tyler, I look forward to reading and contributing to your posts as well. I post because I love helping people, I belive every guy should have his time to shine. What is the reason you post on a forum that is not your own? I'm sure the RSD could use your input...


Cheers,

Rich.

PS: Thanks again Tyler :)

PPS: I wish I can some day be as good as you with women.

I think someone as experienced as TD can tell if something is rubbish or not. I mean that guy is infield since 5 years or something like that!

And beside that I myself think that he's right: If you open a couple of sets and merging them than that's all you need to overtake a club and get opened by everybody. So why "inventing" a "new technique"?

The claw is well the claw it's not a term it's a description

And men stop flaming. You know that I complimented you on the quality of your posts but why being such a hater when somebody critize you?

I'm glad that Tyler is posting here and I'm sure he contributed more to the community than anyone of us will ever do!

So stop war,start love:D

[Rich]

Limelight,

Fine, I'm not flameing. Although for the record Tyler Durden only likes theories that Tyler Durden creates.

Check out his forum, You can not mention any other Guru or elese you will be banned...Why is that?

This is what I dont want, some tool coming in and useing his name to toss around terms and put down others work with nothing backing him but a name. The name Tyler Durden means nothing to me. I think he is a snake, and only looking for money.

This is my belief, do not tell me to hush. You can think what you want as will I. Do not post telling me what to say!


Rich.

[Yoda]

Right now everybody in the community is trying to "invent" something new. Even if this person's game just consists of 3 approaches a month.

Stop trying to get attention or validation! Just go out. Be in the field. That's where innovations are made!(and I'm not adressing that to you Rich)

My thoughts exactly.

@ Rich
I'm still interested in your FR though, when someone has something, I want to know :)

[Rich]

Yoda,

I just posted a FR however it has no merrit on DUV, as I feel to do that I would have to be in a Frame of mind. ;)

Heck I'll just write the book and email you and anyone else a PDF file. Perhaps Tyler would like a copy to look over and insure that it is trash.


Cheers,

Rich.

[Matador]

the purpose of a2 is to get to a3...if you feel you've DHV'd and are getting solid IOI's move into A3...this is the basic model...if you microcalibrate then you will know what to do at all times...

[Rich]

the purpose of a2 is to get to a3...if you feel you've DHV'd and are getting solid IOI's move into A3...this is the basic model...if you microcalibrate then you will know what to do at all times...

Matador,

Your right. I can not say other wise. Some of my posts or idea's are just my way of understanding things. I still use the terminology of MM and company although it seems I only use it to grasp my own ideas.

Does that make sense? I hope so because I'm not even sure. I'm just looking for a way to create the situation where a normal guy can walk into a venue and with flawless personality turn heads.

I know you could use M3 model for that. It's just that the model is so encompassing it's hard to think of originality so I'm trying to thrust my self forward by holding my self back.

Now I only use Situational opens and i'm trying to re-write how and why what I did and say is working. I know it's re inventing the wheel, but I want to gain a true understanding in my own perspective.

Thanks for the input & unlike the my thank you to the fake Tyler Durden, this is in fact sincere.

Cheers,

Rich.

[Diebold]

The problem with too much DHV that you come off as a lying asshole or too good for your target. Beware.