Fuck game... I'm done.

[crypticfox]

I would like to say thanks to the collective community...

...but fuck it, I'm done. There's not a cunt on the planet that's worth this bullshit.

So tonight as my warm up set I walk up to a four-set that looks bored in a booth at at local college club.

"OMgosh... hey guys check this out... this guy over here is trying to pickup this girl its so funny..see him?

...care to take bets on how well he does?"

Two girls were immediately cool. One of the other girls says 'who the fuck are you?"

"Omgosh you have the cuttest overbite I love it!"

"Fuck you dude... you want me to hit you in your face?"

"Woah.. calm down.... wow is she always like this hostile?"

*smiles from the two cool girls, the hostile two get up and go get a bouncer*

next thing I know I got some 280lbs dipshit in my face telling me to take a walk... cool... whatever... I make my way.



A few minute later I'm talking to some friends and this random guy walks up... "Hey man, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything... but my friend has some problems with her teeth and she's really upset about your overbite comment, is there anyway you could appologize to her? It'd make my night a lot better"

"Hey man, yeah you seem cool... no worries"

I figure fuck it.. I don't want some random drunk girl fucking up a later set... I'll appologize and get on with other less trashy sets.

*I walk over to appologize. I get there and there's three girls left sitting in the booth. I go to the hostile one and say "Hey, look I'm going to do someting I never do... I'm going to appologize to you guys... I'm sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings, I'm just busting chops, having a fun time... I'm gunna get back to my friends... I hope you girls have a good night."

all of a sudden the fourth girl appears again in a tyraid with a bouncer...

"dude I asked you nicely... now that shit is over"

Next thing I know I'm in the parking lot on the ground with four dudes twice my weight (litterally) standing over me.

Fuck it. It's not worth it. I'd rather never have sex again than have to deal with this stress. Thanks to all the gurus for trying to help me, but it's not worth it. This shit happens to me constantly....even if I take the negs away. I'm just done.

[Lyle Stone]

The major problem is that working where I do as an intern, while an outstanding career opportunity, provides just enough income for me to eek by. Comming up with $2500 for a bootcamp is something that's not going to happen... therefore, being the resourceful person I am, I have worked out a deal with a very skilled person to exchange some services for a 3-day one-on-one.

This was written in one of your other posts, who is this person and why have they not set you in a frame that allows you to handle one bad night?

Here's my advice bro, this was a bad night, but we all have them.

Everyone gets blown out, EVERYONE. Your night was actually mild compared to some of the horror stories I've heard, but I'm sure this does not make you feel any better.

Take a deep breath, realize that this girl, who you will never see again, should not get in the way of your ultimately succeeding with women.

She's a flea, nothing more.

Also, realize that you actually messed up the set here, by breaking a few social rules. Read Lovedorp's social violator here and really try to understand it. You negged a girl who's opinion of herself was admittedly low, so it did not come off as playful, but as mean and offensive.

Her friend acted as a protector, just as you.would do if someone, in your mind, was picking on a loved one.

The good news is that you've learned from your mistake and are totally ready to move on.

Dude, you'll be fine, and this shit IS worth it. We're a support group, and we're here to help you, just don't give up on yourself so easily, or all the labors you've put in it until now will go down the drain.

Best,
Lyle Stone

[Jester]

"Omgosh you have the cuttest overbite I love it!"


This is why you need to calibrate the negs to the set. Personally Ive never used this one for that reason, its too personal too many girls have hang ups over it. (no pun intended....hehe)

In one set I used "is your hair real? it looks kinda fake, like a wig or something". This chick LOOSES the plot big time, and starts trying to attack me, flying fists and all. It was pretty funny really, I just stood there and blocked them all, laughing at her telling her she was crazy trying to reframe the situation to a joke. I knew all the bouncers so I didnt have the same problem that you might. Turns out this chick had her hair done that day, spend a few hundred on it and the hair dresser had fucked it up, so it was really a hot talking point at that time. I found it bloody funny though.

You will also get girls that want to stir shit, it happens just deal with it. You will also get dickheads that will try and fight you for just walking down the street, it happens.

I wouldnt let one bad experience fail you bro, your still alive. Just maybe think about calibrating your negs abit better.

[smoothlatinkid]

The specific, to-this-case advice? It's been given. Soften the negs.

The greater advice? You came to this for a reason. We've ALL had bad nights. Dark nights of the soul. There is a three word reason.

Change. Is. Hard.

The most valid metaphor I have for this isn't mine. It's in the VAH.

Treat this like a video game, not a referendum/confirmation on YOU. If I told you the number of times I LOST OUT, I FUCKED UP---it's crazy.

Miscalibrated. Got too drunk. Pissed away what was mine. Felt like I was kidding myself.

But my desire pushed me PAST that.

What I've learned, after a year in this game, is that EVERY NIGHT YOU ARE GRANTED A DO-OVER.

EVERY night.

Where you fucked up before teaches you how not to do so NEXT time. I remember I fucked up bad one time, and I felt really shitty. Then Harlequin or Face or Medley picked apart my FR, and one of them said---CHEER UP---YOU WON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN.

They were right.

Now, if this was you meeting the ONE, then cool. Bon voyage. We'd all wish you well.

This isn't that.

I don't know you, Cryptic. But I am here, at my computer, in the middle of the night, with one of my FBs in my bed, imploring you to pick yourself up and keep going.

Because I've been there.

Don't throw it in over one bad night.

Stick with it. Keep going. As they say in rehab, don't give this up before the miracle happens.

[Satan]

Wow man, I'm really sorry to hear that, some fools use violance as the only answer. TBH that would probably shake me up too, it must have been horrendous and now you have all these negative anchors linked to PU. I've been in one situation where I had some dude offering me out for a fight over some girl, I was terrified, I don't like violance.

I don't think that you want advise here but you slightly miscalibrated, you came across abusive instead of charasmatic. Remember, a neg is a faulse DQ, not a backhanded compliment. Personally I have a high standard of what I expect in people, and if someone is that aggressive to me I'd leave the set, I'm qualifying them not entertaining them.

S*

[Mastery]

Crypticfox,

I feel you - I think most here have had similar experiences. Socially retarded girls acting like nutcases, but people let them get away with it just because they have a vagina.

Now think about this:
socially retarded girl is rude to you --> you leave the game (ie giving up the choice with women you could have, if you stick with it long enough to get good)

Aren't you giving the socially retarded girls too much power here? Why would you give her the power to affect your future choice with women?

If anything, get motivated to get good, so the next time you see a girl like her, you wouldn't even give a fuck - because you have socially intelligent HB9's and 10's waiting for you at home.

Leave the socially retarded chicks alone in their misery - but don't join them!

[Mild_Seven]

I agree with the wise fellows up above. We've all had nights where we go out and fuck up everything, forget the comfort building or something, have girls turn their backs on us, and feel like giving up and getting married. About a month ago I approached a 4 set of HBs here in Japan and one girl says "I hate foreigners" and then the ENTIRE SET turned their backs on me in plain view of the whole club. I'll be honest, that made me wanna give up everything.

But I didn't. Get a good night's sleep, analyze what you did wrong (even though she was clearly out of line, there are ways you could've limited the confrontation), take a couple nights off if you must. Maybe try a different venue next time until you get over the incident. What happened to you is not totally an issue of game, that kind of thing happens in clubs quite often, whether you're gaming or not. Drunk people, bouncers who think they're God, the disassociative trance-like quality of being in a loud, dark place with flashing lights. All of that causes crazy shit to happen. Don't take it personally and try to get back on your feet.

Good luck with whatever direction you go next, whether you take our advice or not.

[Godhand]

You should have ejected from the set. You should have also told the two girls that were cool that you are penalizing them for rolling with social rejects (before the two psychos got the bouncers). You should have then gone to another corner of the club. Remember, its not just enough to reward good behavior. You also have to punish bad behavior. Otherwise, the two cool girls will go on thinking that it is perfectly acceptable to roll with social rejects.

[crypticfox]

Yeah you guys are all right... my judgement last night when I posted this was clouded by some anger and pain from digging gravel out of my hands. hahaha.

Unfortunately though I've been dealing with situations like this a lot. I'd say at least once every two weeks or so, I've either got some crazy chick flying off the handle at me or some wanna be thug and his friends in my face.

When I first started I had some moderate success, but as the months have gone by, this type of thing seems to happen more and more. I really feel I'm moving in the wrong direction.

I'm not going to let some socially retarded girl affect my goals... but I really need to take this incident at face value and try to understand what I'm doing or not doing to cause hostile reactions like this.

Lyle:

It's not so much one bad night... this is just the first time its escalated to physical contact. Incidents like this happen at least once every couple weeks. Enough to make me realize there's something wrong... but I'm obviously not learning what I need to because it keeps happening.

Situations like this have even happened with sets that got no negs... just what appears to be random hostility. Hell, maybe the girls here in Southwest Ohio just have ginormous bitch shields. heh

This was written in one of your other posts, who is this person and why have they not set you in a frame that allows you to handle one bad night?

Sinn, and because the one-on-one hasn't happened yet.

[Dream]

You should have just busted out a gat and started poppin caps....

or not =)

Hey shit happens man, youve got tons of advice in this thread to go on from, and remeber

"The ones that succeed are not the people that have never failed, but the ones that fall down and get back up as fast as possible."-tr

[Mild_Seven]

When I first started I had some moderate success, but as the months have gone by, this type of thing seems to happen more and more. I really feel I'm moving in the wrong direction.

This makes me wonder if you're frequenting the same places all the time and are starting to get recognized as the "predator". A couple years ago (when I had no structured game) there was a period of a few months where I had to stop going to clubs in Osaka because all the girls started saying stuff like "You're that guy who made out with my friend's roommate last October!" Starbucks became my homebase for a while! :D

[crypticfox]

"The ones that succeed are not the people that have never failed, but the ones that fall down and get back up as fast as possible."-tr

Funny part about that... but I immediately crossed the street to another bar and got a day2 from HB8 dimples. I needed some encouragement though so I left that part out. :p

[Levo]

Fox,

If people are regularly acting hostile towards you then you are doing something that causes it. You seem to be pissing people off and making alot of social violations. I'm sure Sinn will notice them for you if you cant figure it out what they are by then. The obvious one here is the overneg.

Good luck on your journey. Everyone can take the path to mastery. Youre already ahead of 99% of guys in the world, just stick with it!

-Levo

[x-code]

This makes me wonder if you're frequenting the same places all the time and are starting to get recognized as the "predator".

Plus, can it be you're somehow frequently attracted to socially retarded chicks? Man, no offense meant, I mean consider whether chicks like that dress, talk, move or act in a way you nevertheless find attractive?

For example, I really like tomboyish chicks (short haircut, manly clothes and stuff). But they turn out to be lesbians from time to time :o

[Priest]

Hey bro, I know my advice a little too late but I just saw this thread...

There is a Michael Jordan poster that lists everything that he has failed at doing... how many free throws he has missed, how many game winning shots he need to make and didn't, etc. Then he says at the bottom... I am the best not because I have never failed, but because I have failed so much... it's all about the experiance and learning from it.

1) you fucked up by not telling the bouncer you were going to apologize. I am a bouncer and we are extremely protective of girls who come and get us because a guy is fucking with them.

2) You seem to get picked on a lot... you need to work on your frame. They pick on you because you allow them to. Its possible your voice is shakey and not confident.

3) I am guessing you are not a very big guy. Go to the gym... find the biggest dude there and have him train you to get big. Take supplements. Let the world of Body Building consume you like the Venusian Arts do. 6 months from now you will see a whole new guy in the mirror and consequently your frame will get stronger... Everytime I go out a girl rubs my pecs, that will help your confidence like a mother fucker.

I have to go to class. PM for more

-Priest-

[Tantric]

It's not so much one bad night... this is just the first time its escalated to physical contact. Incidents like this happen at least once every couple weeks. Enough to make me realize there's something wrong... but I'm obviously not learning what I need to because it keeps happening.

Situations like this have even happened with sets that got no negs... just what appears to be random hostility. Hell, maybe the girls here in Southwest Ohio just have ginormous bitch shields.

Maybe try opening more sets in day time, coffee shops, etc. I mean, sometimes pubs attract a fairly trashy crowd. My experience in pubs vs say nice lounges is that there is a difference in the crowd that you must calibrate toward.

Also, maybe rethink your opener if you use that a lot--it can be perceived as pretty negative--you're making fun of someone, which is sometimes a violation. Why would they conspire with you against a third party, when you haven't built any rapport yet? You don't know them, so they could actually be friends with the guy or something. I just see some pitfalls with it that don't exist with other openers.

[crypticfox]

Hey bro, I know my advice a little too late but I just saw this thread...

There is a Michael Jordan poster that lists everything that he has failed at doing... how many free throws he has missed, how many game winning shots he need to make and didn't, etc. Then he says at the bottom... I am the best not because I have never failed, but because I have failed so much... it's all about the experiance and learning from it.

1) you fucked up by not telling the bouncer you were going to apologize. I am a bouncer and we are extremely protective of girls who come and get us because a guy is fucking with them.

I was definately telling him I was in the middle of an appology. I might as well have not said anything.

2) You seem to get picked on a lot... you need to work on your frame. They pick on you because you allow them to. Its possible your voice is shakey and not confident.

Yes I do, and my voice isn't the issue. I am a DJ and have several years experience in radio. I have immense control over my voice. I am not at all nervous when I go into set. My frame, I feel, though is lacking.

3) I am guessing you are not a very big guy. Go to the gym... find the biggest dude there and have him train you to get big. Take supplements. Let the world of Body Building consume you like the Venusian Arts do. 6 months from now you will see a whole new guy in the mirror and consequently your frame will get stronger... Everytime I go out a girl rubs my pecs, that will help your confidence like a mother fucker.

I have to go to class. PM for more

Yeah, that would probably help a lot. I'm about 5'11 and maybe 145 soaking wet. I tried it for a while (about 4 months) with a buddy of mine. He had me on muscle milk and a 5000 calorie/day diet. In 4 months of working out three times a week I just really didn't see any noticable results. Maybe it's worth another shot.

[crypticfox]

Also, maybe rethink your opener if you use that a lot--it can be perceived as pretty negative--you're making fun of someone, which is sometimes a violation. Why would they conspire with you against a third party, when you haven't built any rapport yet? You don't know them, so they could actually be friends with the guy or something. I just see some pitfalls with it that don't exist with other openers.

Yeah, that was a situational opener. First time I had ever used it. Just happened to be that this other guy was really funny and I was talking about it with a couple buddies before I walked over there. Karma maybe? hahaha

[Pulse]

Sinn, and because the one-on-one hasn't happened yet.

DO NOT give up 3 days of 1 on 1 with Sinn. Seriously, your game will SKYROCKET. His game is amazingly tight. Stick with it man... just realize that you are off on your calibration and you just need more practice. For some reason you are coming off the wrong way... just need to figure out what it is that your doing that causes that.

[Priest]

Sorry if I came off as a dick earlier, I was in rush to get to class. But I feel your situation.

I was definately telling him I was in the middle of an appology. I might as well have not said anything.

I meant you should have told him before hand..."Hey man, I don't want any more trouble. I have been requested by one of her friends to apologize to her, and as I don't want any bad blood, I am just going to go say I am sorry if I pissed her off in anyway." Remember Bouncers are egotistical power hungry machines... appeal to this. Let them know they are in charge; that it's their house and you are just visiting. Also you are going to want to make friends with all personel at a given establishment. Every waitress and yes even the bouncers should (idealy speaking) come up to you and say hi after you enter the establishment.

Do not try to make friends with a bouncer by immitating his mean look and crossed arms or by asking him why he looks pissed all the time. This is the equivalent of an AFC approaching HB10 with, hi, whats your name?. Bouncers get that shit all the time. The best way to make friends with him is always be friendly (not submissive). Frequently visit a place and as the bouncer becomes more accepting of your presence... kino him. After he checks your id, "Thanks brother..." then do the type of handshake where one hand basically grabs hold of his thumb as he grabs hold of yours, while the free hand gives a half ass friendly hug (I know its hard to describe but you know what Im talking about-you greet acquaintences like this all the time). This type of kino shows mutual respect... if you were to just say, "Thanks man..." and slap him on the shoulder it will be seen as aggression and he will later find a reason to kick you out.

Bouncers are just guys... make friends with him. Appeal to his ego. Shoot the shit with him. If he served in the military tell him thank you. After he checks your id say, "Thanks man..." kino then, "I'm gonna come find you later, we are going to take a shot together." You have to win over the whole room.



Yes I do, and my voice isn't the issue. I am a DJ and have several years experience in radio. I have immense control over my voice. I am not at all nervous when I go into set. My frame, I feel, though is lacking.

Awesome! Good strength to have and serious DHV. If you are not working radio into your routine you should be. If your frame is lacking it is a confidence thing. Go do something... skydive, rockclimb, snowboard etc. Literally cheat death a couple times and see how your frame changes. Do something twice a month that gives your mom a heart attack. You might also get into martial arts hardcore. Learning to kick some ones ass helps tremendously with your frame. **Note: Just don't talk about martial arts durning Attraction. According to Sinn, Martial Arts are evolutionary seen by women as something that only a Beta would need to take. The Alpha already knows how to survive in the wild. Disregard if you are a UFC fighter and its part of your identity.


Yeah, that would probably help a lot. I'm about 5'11 and maybe 145 soaking wet. I tried it for a while (about 4 months) with a buddy of mine. He had me on muscle milk and a 5000 calorie/day diet. In 4 months of working out three times a week I just really didn't see any noticable results. Maybe it's worth another shot.

You need a personal trainer who is also a nutrionalist. Again find the biggest guy possible and talk to him or the guy that does his program. 5000 calorie/day diets aren't shit if they are mostly muscle milk. Your body is not yet able to process dairy and whey protien as effectively as animal protein. Also, whey protien is fast acting (consumed in 2 hours). Animal protien is slow (takes much longer to digest). You have to be eating Meat and carbs (rice, potatos,etc) if you want to gain. 145lbs! You have the metabolism of a squirrel on crack! You need to eat all the time! When ever you think about it... eat. Limit yourself to one or two protien shakes a day. The rest of that 5000 cal should come from real food, clean food mind you, but real food.

Breakfast is your most important meal of the day. I usually eat about a dozen eggs for breaksfast with 1cup (before water) of oatmeal. From then on you want to eat a good size meal every two or three hours. The next most important meal is right after you work out... eat as much as you can possibly eat. When you throw up a little in your mouth, you know you have are almost done eating. I usually take a protein shake right befoe the gym and one before bed. Also you should consume at least a gallon of water a day. This is the easiest way to gain wieght quickly. Some nutrionalist disagree with style of nutrition but it does add size quick.

-Priest-

[Envy]

Sorry to hear but made me lol. Sometimes we forget that not all girls simply have a bitch shield, but they are actually bitches, real bitches. My only advice is to keep your head up and maybe next time look to see if the girl is approachable, look her in the eyes and smile, if she smiles back your game. I know this will limit the amount of sets you open but at least it won't get bouncers kicking your ass anymore. Good luck.

[DarkPrince]

Hey man, Sorry to hear about your misfortune. If it helps, at one point I almost got jumped by these 6 girls.. (Long story) But I'm glad you are back in, since you’re always as good as your last sarge!

I also agree of making friends with the staff in establishment. That’s why picking one place, and going there often will help you out a lot more. Personally I’m still a club virgin, but when I do show up at a place where my friends work and people come in, its very easy to talk to them, they usually open right up! And I take it this will be much more effective in a club scene!

Also the whole working out thing, I would say start with toning than getting big. (You see much better results this way) you don’t even have to hit the gym. Get one of these Resistant bands (http://www.funcercise.com/images/RESISTANCE-BANDS-YELLOW.jpg). This will become your best friend you can see results in about 2 weeks or less, and since you a use it for pushups, and biceps, that covers the upper arms and chest area. Than you got the sit ups. This covers the whole upper body really. Than just get a jump rope if you want to build Cardio.

Wish you lots of luck
-Prince

[Yoda]

Hopefully you reconsider. Although its always ok to vent a little.

Don't give up a lot of greats nights for a bad one. :cool:

[leslav]

Dude, you should quit.

Seriously.

Now, can I have your 3 days with Sinn? :^)

[apg96]

dont give up after a bad night. You dealt with an asshole of a bouncer. I know there are a lot of them. You can bounce back from this.

But do what ever will make you happier, b/c that is the ultimate goal here.

[Enimos]

Man I haven't read the posts that followed yours, so I don't know if someone told you this before, but besides softening the negs and not apologizing while there is no reason to do it, there is something very simle you can do every time you feel you've just crashed and burned - simply say:

"Pleasure meeting you", and walk away.
Thats it.

This would perfectly get you out of the uncomfortable situation without intimidating your value in front of the girls. The CB wil just come out a weirdo in the middle of her menstrual cycle. In case that later the CB is gone and you are sure that the other girls do like you, you can approach them with "Guys why does your friend hate me so much? Is she always like that?"
but I'll suggest to simply open another set.

[crypticfox]

... - simply say:

"Pleasure meeting you", and walk away.
Thats it.

That's the trick though.... balancing plowing and ejecting. Last night this girl escalated so quickly. It went from a bored looking 4-set to a giant clusterfuck in like 1.5 seconds. hahaha. The trouble is knowing when the situation can be handled and end up going well (in the case of bitch shield) or when it's only going downhill (like last night).

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't want to eject on a set that could turn out awesome. I don't want to give up on a set because of their social programming, but on the other hand I'd like to avoid getting dragged out by my hair in the future. hahahaha :cool:

[Priest]

That's the trick though.... balancing plowing and ejecting. Last night this girl escalated so quickly. It went from a bored looking 4-set to a giant clusterfuck in like 1.5 seconds. hahaha. The trouble is knowing when the situation can be handled and end up going well (in the case of bitch shield) or when it's only going downhill (like last night).

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't want to eject on a set that could turn out awesome. I don't want to give up on a set because of their social programming, but on the other hand I'd like to avoid getting dragged out by my hair in the future. hahahaha :cool:

Kudos for not wanting to eject! Adapting and overcoming rather than ejecting is something that everyone stuggles with.

Sinn believes that a total bitch is easier than a cold set. Next time try this:

"OMG! You are awesome! Does that always work?" then immediately turn to an adjacent set and say, "Hey guys, check this out... this girl just blew me off hardcore... watch this" [turn to bitch] "Ok this time I want you turn it up by like 10% ok? Remember you have an audience so bring your A game..." [then put your hands in your pockets, slump your shoulders, drag your feet, avoid eye contact, and summon the most timid AFC voice possible and say...] "You're really beautiful and I just wanted to meet you..."

What you have done is made it socially awkward for her to be a bitch again. Instead she will laugh. You are now the funny guy who didn't respond to her hoop. You didn't change your frame for her. Your frame was stronger than hers and you absorbed her frame. She wanted you to respond with, "You are such a bitch!" and walk away. Instead didn't react at all cause you live in your own little world. Girls get approached more or less 10 times a day. They do not have the time to sleep with 15,000 guys. So as a time saver they put up the bitch shield to see who is a loser and who actually has something to offer by plowing through the shield.

**I didn't really like your opener either... Anytime a guy approaches a girl in a bar, the subcommunication is that he is trying to pick her up. Simply by approaching they assume you are there to fuck them. Then you introduced the topic of pick up... It's possible that she was just a crazy bitch and there was nothing you could have done to avoid it. However, I could be wrong but I think that she knew what you were up to. Try using something a little more non-sequiter.

-Priest-

[Suspect]

According to Sinn, Martial Arts are evolutionary seen by women as something that only a Beta would need to take. The Alpha already knows how to survive in the wild.


That seems like wild speculation to me. Where's the basis for this? Sinn, maybe you could elaborate.

[sting]

CP,
this sucks, bro. i feel bad.

if you want to quit... well, thats your choice, but what exactly are you quitting? your not about to become a hermit... obviously you will continue to socialize. and as your social skills, like all of ours, isn't perfect... you can continue to improve it bit by bit.
just don't put all this "PUA" pressure on yourself. its just meeting people and having fun.
maybe you could try a more rapport friendly system - like Juggler or Dimitri (approach.com i think) at the stage where your at.
once you get a few good responses (and if you keep at it, you will), this type of shit won't happen. and you can learn to get good responses through Juggler or Mystery... different paths, same destination. Juggler's lower risk for causing situations like this.
also David D. has a program on Cocky and Funny. over negging and uncalibrated use of C & F are not uncommon in our little community - this program might help you. doubleyourdating.com/cockycomedy


good luck, bro,
Sting

[CrypticFoxesMom]

Son,
Stop your whining and looking for pity on the message boards. Get back out in the field and work on your game. I needs me some grandkids.

Love,

Mom

[Crash]

haha

are you a hot mom?

[Rich]

Dude, I had some whore sick her boy friend on me.
I mean this guy actually hit me a few times. I mean
I was drinking but it's the same type of girl.

Who cares about some tyranical whore that has a
power trip. As far as i'm concerned it's your fault.
Fuck that guy, why would you want to make his night
better?

If I was with you I would have said,

"Man I'm not being
an ass my self but your friend was complety rude, if
you can get her to say shes sorry to me, then we can
kiss and make up.

Other then that why are you talking to me? What you
want to hit me or something? Go ahead, do it. It will
make my night more interesting."

But, i'm 6'2 180 lbs with a noticable build, however I did
Amog a table of guys by telling them they could all hit
me one by one and the last guy I'd through through the
window. It really worked out my wings were holding me back
and some random bought my friend another drink.

Heck, I like poker i'll call a bluff. NTM, you should have already
talked to the bouncers. any way don't do what I said execpt
never apoligize...

[crypticfox]

Son,
Stop your whining and looking for pity on the message boards. Get back out in the field and work on your game. I needs me some grandkids.

Love,

Mom

Thanks CHRIS!

Next time I'll use your last name, bubba. :D

[Taiji]

this is where it's nice to:

make friends with the bouncers

apologize on the spot if you overneg (and if her reaction is that bad, she ain't worth it man)

and have a physical presence

[Mehow]

Everbody covered the obvious frame angles on this - here is my $0.02.

Negs are supposed to be playfull. When I got into the game early on I used the stock negs and got some similar reactions. But I discovered one cardinal rule ...

"The player only says things that add to his own reality."

Saying stuff like "You have a cute overbite" isn't really fun for you is it?

Try something like ...

"You are the cutest .... space alien I've met all night."

When you do this and be playfull when you say it you will never get a reaction like you did because you are having fun with it, the girls immidiatley fall into that frame subconciously and accept the teasing. Since then I've abandonded negging entirley as a matter of course but I still bust it out sometimes. All that said, if you have playfull delivery you can get away with harsh negs.

-m

[bugsy111]

Since then I've abandonded negging entirley as a matter of course but I still bust it out sometimes.

-m

HUH? .

[sunn69y]

"The player only says things that add to his own reality."

Saying stuff like "You have a cute overbite" isn't really fun for you is it?

Try something like ...

"You are the cutest .... space alien I've met all night."

-m

mmm I guess I'm feeling ya on that one, makes more work to be creative but then again anything worth doing is worth doing right