Preselection

[Vaudevillain]

Preselection, not just a time saving mechanism. Here's an interesting tidbit written by Dr. Robert Baker



Basically, a woman uses a man's approach to foreplay and
intercourse to gain information about him. A man who is able to
arouse a woman and stimulate her to orgasm signals that he does
have past experience of other females. This tells her that other
women have also found him attractive enough to allow intercourse.
The more effectively he stimulates her the more experienced he
should be — and hence the greater the number of women who have
so far found him to be attractive.

Mixing her genes with his,
therefore, may produce sons or grandsons who are also attractive to
women, hence increasing her reproductive success.

Interestingly, the females of some species of birds are also known
to use this yardstick during mate selection. If a female sees one or
more other females mating with a particular male, she also is more
likely to mate with him. So being seen to be attractive to other
females is an attractive male trait in its own right
Despite the difficulties, virtually all men eventually learn the
basics of intercourse, and most learn even the subtleties. But the
faster they are able to learn, the fewer opportunities for insemination
they will miss in their lifetime, and the more children they are likely
to father, with more women, than their slower-learning
contemporaries.

[Slick]

Great, so you know the basics of pre-selection.

What I'd like to see is someone explain it thoroughly
and in depth. And possibly... a new take on pre-selection,
someone who's found a way to instow it besides through
stories or hb friends.


Slick

[Vaudevillain]

I like to exhibit preselection through body language. Here are just a few examples:
1) When you make eye contact with a woman hold it until she looks away. This subcommunicates sexual dominance.
2) Physically move her. Grab her hand and pull her somewhere. Pick her up and carry her on your shoulders.

I have a million of these, just let me know if you want more. Also try playing this game; when you see a guy walking on the street or where ever, ask yourself, "Is that guy getting laid?" Then try to explain why or why not. Try to incorporate the positive subcommunications into your body language and get rid of the bad ones. (credit style..i think)

[harvest]

oh yeah...keep them coming brother

[Prophet]

Great, so you know the basics of pre-selection.

What I'd like to see is someone explain it thoroughly
and in depth. And possibly... a new take on pre-selection,
someone who's found a way to instow it besides through
stories or hb friends.


Slick
Aside from stories or HB friends? Here's some I've heard/tried:

- Spray women's perfume on your shirt/neck
- Have a lipstick kiss on your cheek
- have a hickey on your neck
- have lipstick on the collar of your shirt

[TripleSeven]

I like to exhibit preselection through body language. Here are just a few examples:
1) When you make eye contact with a woman hold it until she looks away. This subcommunicates sexual dominance.
2) Physically move her. Grab her hand and pull her somewhere. Pick her up and carry her on your shoulders.

I have a million of these, just let me know if you want more. Also try playing this game; when you see a guy walking on the street or where ever, ask yourself, "Is that guy getting laid?" Then try to explain why or why not. Try to incorporate the positive subcommunications into your body language and get rid of the bad ones. (credit style..i think)

Please do share more, the more examples the better. Body language signals of preselection are the best, they can establish attraction way before you even open the set.

[Slick]

Great tips Prophet.


Vaude, I'll call you on your bluff. I'd
love to hear more. ;)


Slick

[mR. PotenTial]

I wouldn't mind knowing as many tips/tricks on how to trigger the 'pre-selection' attraction mechanism on women apart from the obvious, either, especially seeing as how, over the past few months, I've personally come to the conclusion that the concept we like to call pre-selection is the strongest of all attraction triggers.

[azazels_wolf]

Here's a few more I can think of off the top of my head:

-Having or wearing items that a woman obviously gave you
-Items left by a woman at the seduction location - for example, a ladies shoe lying around
-Getting a phone call or text from another girl while near the target
-Seeing lots of girls in your phonebook list as she puts her number in
-Having a notebook/journal/etc. that a woman wrote or sketched in
-Photos of yourself with girls

-ACTING COMFORTABLE AROUND WOMEN AND TALKING TO THEM no matter who they are or what they look like. Women will know that you're used to girls if you're not afraid to do this. If you're acting awkward, it'll be obvious you are not experienced with women.

[Decibel]

Prophet, I'm dying to find out what Mystery concluded with his research on pheromones he hinted at in MoM. Since you have a direct line to god, can you find out what his recs are? Seems like a great form of preselection.

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Aside from stories or HB friends? Here's some I've heard/tried:

- Spray women's perfume on your shirt/neck
- Have a lipstick kiss on your cheek
- have a hickey on your neck
- have lipstick on the collar of your shirt

[mR. PotenTial]

Some good ones there Az.

[pu.artist]

I like to include an ex in some random story, or mention female friends... I think its enough for me... I was with a couple of friends saturday night and this chick HB8 (whos in a LTR and planning on getting married) was giving me all kinds of IOI's (hugs kisses etc) and was passing compliance tests like crazy... And I hadnt done anything... Just mentioned an ex and some female friends... I think I owe it to the BL... killing myself for not having opened a 9 that night...

[Vaudevillain]

-Items left by a woman at the seduction location - for example, a ladies shoe lying around


Hey bud,
Once you get to the seduction location, your job at displaying preselection is over. Actually, doing things like this will drastically increase LMR.

If you over do the preselection, you'll trigger the 'player' vibe. Go out and do this. Actually purposely over do preselection, it will help you calibrate how far to push it.

Your pal,
Vaude

P.S. Sorry I haven't written on this site for a while, I've been really busy.

[azazels_wolf]

Hey bud,
Once you get to the seduction location, your job at displaying preselection is over. Actually, doing things like this will drastically increase LMR.

If you over do the preselection, you'll trigger the 'player' vibe. Go out and do this. Actually purposely over do preselection, it will help you calibrate how far to push it.

Your pal,
Vaude

P.S. Sorry I haven't written on this site for a while, I've been really busy.

That ladies shoe trick is straight from Mystery and/or Lovedrop ;)

Another example - Decibel has mentioned that he leaves nailpolish on his bathroom counter, and it usually triggers the jealousy response from his girls.

I've also found that really tight comfort game will usually overcome any sort of overdone "player vibe."

[moshfegh]

Hey guys! Yeah I strongly believe that being pre-selected by other women is the most or the second most attraction switch. A guy who is effectively pre-selected by other women is considered attractive to other females even if he doesn't do anything or throw any canned materials.

My wingman and I were out 2 weeks ago and we met one of my guy friends by coincidence. He was with 2 girls. So we all sat on a table together. 3 males with 2 females. My wingman opened the set sitting beside us and talked to them for like 2 minutes and then got back to our table. 5 minutes later one of the hot girls from that table came to our table and started talking to my wingman. It's interesting to know that he NEVER EVER had a girl coming over to talk to him!! It was like a bang that night! I couldn't believe it. I think it was ONLY because we were there with 2 attractive girls (8). He used the same material he always uses and his confidence is not very high. He just looked pre-selected...

But my challenge at the moment is conveying the pre-selection thing. I've been trying to mention ex and female friends in my stories; but in reality, I don't really have any hot female friends that I can take out with me. I tried speed dating 2 nights ago hoping to find some new friends. But I only had 1 match out of 18. Don't know what was wrong even though we had a great vibe. A lot of guys believe that speed dating sucks because you're considered lonely and not pre-selected right at the beginning.

I'm very confident in opening sets during day time and engaging them into a cool funny conversation. However, I think I suck at the end to get their phone numbers. I don't know what I do wrong. I've had many sets with good vibes recently, but I got rejected when I asked for their phone number.

Now, does anyone know how I can make a "friendship" out of those sets I open effectively? I mean I don't want them to think that I'm considering them as dates. I just wanna make friendship with them and then take them out with me to be pre-selected. But I don't know how to convey that I'm after friendship.

Anyone had similar experience?
How do you take their phone numbers as friends?
And how do you proceed after you get the phone number?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[L.A. Tripp]

Here's a few more I can think of off the top of my head:

-Getting a phone call or text from another girl while near the target
-Seeing lots of girls in your phonebook list as she puts her number in
-Photos of yourself with girls

-ACTING COMFORTABLE AROUND WOMEN AND TALKING TO THEM no matter who they are or what they look like. Women will know that you're used to girls if you're not afraid to do this. If you're acting awkward, it'll be obvious you are not experienced with women.

These things work for me ALL the time.

I tried speed dating 2 nights ago hoping to find some new friends. But I only had 1 match out of 18. Don't know what was wrong even though we had a great vibe. A lot of guys believe that speed dating sucks because you're considered lonely and not pre-selected right at the beginning.

I'm very confident in opening sets during day time and engaging them into a cool funny conversation. However, I think I suck at the end to get their phone numbers. I don't know what I do wrong. I've had many sets with good vibes recently, but I got rejected when I asked for their phone number.

Now, does anyone know how I can make a "friendship" out of those sets I open effectively? I mean I don't want them to think that I'm considering them as dates. I just wanna make friendship with them and then take them out with me to be pre-selected. But I don't know how to convey that I'm after friendship.

Anyone had similar experience?
How do you take their phone numbers as friends?
And how do you proceed after you get the phone number?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I've got a friend, a PUA in training, that did speed dating and cleaned up. There's nothing wrong with it. It still comes down to inner game. Also, you HAVE to set yourself apart from the other guys there. He held the girl's attention so rapt that they wanted to continue talking to HIM and not the other guys. He even AMOGed some of the other guys while switching seats. Basically saying something like "I feel sorry for you, you have to talk to him for 7 minutes." The girls would laugh.

As far as picking up girls as friends, it's easy. Make it CLEAR that you are only looking for a . . . wait for it . . . FRIEND. You'd love to hang out with them as friends, nothing more. As long as you don't come across as that creepy, skeevy, stalker guy, you should have no problem with this.

[Cro]

I want to share an excerpt from a field report of mine to show how a picture gambit worked to trigger preselection.

I keep an eye out for her BL, it's pretty closed off. She has her knees together, her hands close to her torso and her face angled straight forward, not towards me.
I need to break that up.

I formulate a plan:

Me: You look adorable in that dress...it's like a little princess
Her: *blushes*
I whip out my cell
Me: Look pretty
I take a picture of her and save it.
Me: There, so cute. See.

This was my lead up to my first test of the picture routine...always skipped that, but wanted to try. Got a brand new phone with a great screen, so it was perfect. Had loaded lots of DHV pictures in there.

I put it infront of her and let her grab it, opening up her BL and selecting her picture and "accidentally" put it on slideshow.
It switches to a picture of me with my ex.
Me: Oh I set the slideshow..anyway watch it, some pretty fun pictures on there!

I watch her BL change as she watches me with different HBs and me in party situations with my friends, she hands me back the phone smiling and now her whole BL is angled towards me.
Her: Want to see mine? *big smile*
Me: Sure, if they're cool. *move closer as she brings up her phone and I let HER hold it for me*

That one is gold, I believe Decibel taught me that one

[mystic]

well a good way to show pre-selection is to have a pawn. i have a Female PUA she is very useful when it comes to pre-selection. a very good thing to have to befriend and show no hostility to other male guys with your target.

[RoyaltyInExile]

What if you're with a girl that doesn't want kids though? What is reproductive success going to matter to her? Not everyone wants to have kids.

[L.A. Tripp]

If you're talking about the reproductive success in referrence to the guy being with other girls, reframe it. If you're with other girls, or have been, it shows that you are "safe" to the girl you're talking to. Or at least could be safe, so she's open to that possibility.

Now, I could be taking your post wrong . . . lol

[quality]

Reproductive success has NOTHING to do with wanting children. It is our genetic programming. Intercourse is designed for procreation, so we are attracted to those that would make the best offspring. I’m not ready for kids, but I want to have sex with women who are best for breeding. This is basic stuff.

Left behind items at the comfort location works. Bras and panties on the bed post doesn’t will kill comfort, but lip gloss on the coffee table shows that women are comfortable here and she can be too, also basic stuff.

AZ said a bunch of great pre-selection stuff. I will add one that I use and is very strong. I almost don’t want o share it because I don’t want anyone else using it, but I’m not trying to hate. Have a girls name and phone number written on your hand, maybe with some hearts drawn around it. Also, lipstick on your neck/cheek. Don’t know if that one was said yet.

[Roo]

Something kind of mentioned earlier in the thread, about eye contact "dominance".

What I've started doing as practice is when I pass an HB in the street (being the beginner I am), I try to be the one who holds the contact - not the one who quickly looks away because "staring is rude". Hell, she's the rude one staring at me! Bringing this into the bar/club scene can lead to some easy openings for sets.

[Special]

haha:) to spray her perfume infront of her,or just at home?

[Frozen Flame]

I like to exhibit preselection through body language. Here are just a few examples:
1) When you make eye contact with a woman hold it until she looks away. This subcommunicates sexual dominance.
2) Physically move her. Grab her hand and pull her somewhere. Pick her up and carry her on your shoulders.

I have a million of these, just let me know if you want more. Also try playing this game; when you see a guy walking on the street or where ever, ask yourself, "Is that guy getting laid?" Then try to explain why or why not. Try to incorporate the positive subcommunications into your body language and get rid of the bad ones. (credit style..i think)
Isn't holding eye contact needy?

[azazels_wolf]

Special:
Just to have the scent of it on you for a girl to notice, so that she thinks you've been in close contact with other girls. No, you don't want her to see you spraying the perfume in front of her, haha.


Frozen Flame:
No, eye contact is a sign of confidence (and potentially dominance), and is an IOI. Holding eye contact for a reasonable amount of time is attractive and also can really help you to connect quickly. Just don't STARE at her (eye contact held for an unnatural period of time) otherwise you'll come across as creepy. (The exception would be during a very intimate emotional or sexual moment, but we're talking about attraction phase here instead).

However, breaking eye contact and turning your body and gaze away from her, as if you just got distracted by something else, is a great IOD when you need it.

[JackRabbit]

Ok here we go... Jack Rabbits Guide to preselection :)

Well basically I'm just a beginner at the pickup scene but if I do understand one thing it is preselection.

The first thing is to find a number of attractive female friends (Here the friend card is actually great to recieve) this can be done in many ways, well seeing as your all PUA's or aspiring PUA's you should know how;)

The next step is to get them comfortable enough to go partying with you, again not the hardest thing to do, just be a non-creppy AFC its really not hard.

The next part is VERY IMPORTANT make friends with thier friends and network then go out and party with them all. As you walk into a club greet everyone and be friendly to the staff.

Rite now that everyone accepts you in the place, opening sets will not be a problem at all. When ever I go out gaming it is with atleast 2-3 HB8's or higher and we always own the club.

Once you have your social network going pickup becomes slightly less challenging and your group seems to grow everytime you go out to the point where you can walk into a venue alone and within 10 mins bump into an entire group of mates and social proof the room.

-JR

[mymeowcat]

OK --- I'm not sure if I should start a new post here but I got an idea I hope you can develop based on a common scenario.

You and a buddy (who looks like a Brad Pitt type and outranks you in that dept.) go to some event. Your buddy is engaged by 2 or more HBs. Your buddy is not really in the right headspace and isn't in the mood to get laid tonight or doesn't have the right vibe but one HB is targeting him big time and it is as if her other HB friend is her wing and is not pursuing.

They are both not into you but is there a way where you can occupy the HB wing and make it look like you two are "together" for other potential targets in the room?

I don't think it looks good if your buddy and 1 HB are obviously hitting it off but you and the other HB are not.:mad: I need a way to make the wing woman move or show something that resembles attraction instead of talking to my buddy or her HB friend all the time and clearly avoiding me.

The other thing too is that IF I accomplish this somehow and some other "more viable" target HB sees this ---- I need a way of getting to that target and leaving my buddy with the two ladies:D I also need an answer to who is the "other" girl if asked:confused:

[L.A. Tripp]

Simple. You tell the wing girl who isn't into you, to act like you're really cool so you can hook up with another girl and you can leave her and her friend with your friend. That definitely won't raise your value for either of those girls, but if they already aren't into you at all . . .

[SirReal]

I have a ring that my friend Miranda gave to me. It has hebrew written on it. I have no clue what it says. She told me I would figure it out someday. She gave it to me when I moved. That even works as an opener for me. "Do you speak hebrew?" I can also run some DHV spikes with the conversation about the military and body language.

I recently moved here and I befriended guys with attractive girlfriends who go out with me sometimes to pivot. If you make it fun for them or say a challenge like "You should totally help me meet this girl" They like challenges.

Real

[L.A. Tripp]

That method of getting pivots is good. As long as you keep the girls as pivots and don't take anything further with them. That will cause problems if you do.

As far as the ring, do you know you can translate it? LOL. You can still use it as an opener, but then you could get even more use out of it, if you know what it says. Either find a translation program online or open up a Word Processing program like Word or maybe OpenOffice and find the Hebrew language, type it in, then translate it to English.