The Venusian Arts Q&A Sessions Vol6: Hawaii from The Venusian Arts (Finished)

[Prophet]

Hey guys,

It is my pleasure to hand the floor over to Hawaii to answer all your questions and help you all become better Venusian Artists.

You can view his profile here:

http://www.venusianarts.com/AboutUs.aspx

And you can check out his reviews here:

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Now on with the questions!

[Enigma]

This question is related to the delivery. Besides general guidelines about being expressive and having good vocal projection, etc... I'm curious about what specific character or persona one should act out when sarging. Am I correct in assuming that each person must find his own PUA persona or is there a universal persona that we all should try to act out? If it is individual, what guidelines do you have to reach that persona according to your personality? Is this somehow related to your identity?

Thanks, Enigma

[JimSmith]

I heard you were asian and i had a question about how you use that to ur advantage. I know APB has alot of inner game advice and theories about how the american culture is much different than asian culture. Is there any practical things you use as an advantage for being asian? Or ways that you go about differently for being asian? Asian girls are much easier than white girls for me.

[Greystoke]

If someone comment about your ethnicity while you are in set, how do you divert the shit test?

[Hawaii]

The most common question I hear in set is what nationality are you, and my response is always "guess". Similar to how you would answer if a girl asks your age.

[Sonic]

Hi Hawaii,

1) What are some social pressure excercises do you recommend?

2) what are some of your quick escalation tactics?

Thanks

-S

[sting]

hi Hawaii -

thanks for taking questions.

what are your thoughts on handling a woman's DOV?

Specifically, in mid/late comfort stages, a girl opening up and revealing really personal stuff, almost in tears - e.g
health problems and can't have babies
close family who died from cancer
and so on.

How to best handle that? (this is a pre-1st closing situation)

thanks,
S.

[Dynamism]

Thanks to you, Hawaii, and the other instructors for taking our questions. We appreciate your time.

So... What are some new/different social experiments and approaches you guys have been doing when it comes to PU? I always love hearing of outrageous new experiments instead of the same old tactics.

"Evolve, and let the chips fall where they may." 8-)

[Hawaii]

I have been using a tactic I call "slot game" to effectively game women who are gambling at slot machines in Vegas. However, I am going to either create a product for this or only teach it at my bootcamps in Vegas.


Thanks to you, Hawaii, and the other instructors for taking our questions. We appreciate your time.

So... What are some new/different social experiments and approaches you guys have been doing when it comes to PU? I always love hearing of outrageous new experiments instead of the same old tactics.

"Evolve, and let the chips fall where they may." 8-)

[Hawaii]

The PUA should have a universal persona of being friendly, playful but alpha.
The key things to delivery are tonality, congruence with the material and body language.




This question is related to the delivery. Besides general guidelines about being expressive and having good vocal projection, etc... I'm curious about what specific character or persona one should act out when sarging. Am I correct in assuming that each person must find his own PUA persona or is there a universal persona that we all should try to act out? If it is individual, what guidelines do you have to reach that persona according to your personality? Is this somehow related to your identity?

Thanks, Enigma

[TomSawyer]

Hawaii, glad to see your finally doing a VAH Q&A.

-TomSawyer

[Hawaii]

Although I am Asian on the outside, I grew up in the USA (Nebraska) and only speak English because I am adopted and both of my parents are white. I really dont know anything about the Asian culture. I have been referred to as "whitebread Asian" by my friends.

I have had several women want to hook up with me because I am Asian. I would often say "So Ill be your first Asian guy" , calibrate, if they think Im talking about sex and I sense theyre uncomfortable, Ill then add, "...that you have gone out with..." or "that you have dated"


I heard you were asian and i had a question about how you use that to ur advantage. I know APB has alot of inner game advice and theories about how the american culture is much different than asian culture. Is there any practical things you use as an advantage for being asian? Or ways that you go about differently for being asian? Asian girls are much easier than white girls for me.

[Dynamism]

I have been using a tactic I call "slot game" to effectively game women who are gambling at slot machines in Vegas. However, I am going to either create a product for this or only teach it at my bootcamps in Vegas.

Is there any part of that which you can share with us? Or if not, any other totally off the wall illogical anomalies which have happened in the recent past?

[Hawaii]

I can share this with you, and this should go with every set you are in no matter where the situation. I throw in multiple verbal and nonverbal time constraints constantly. Even more so here than with a normal set, because I never want to risk being 86'd by the casino for bothering customers gambling.



Is there any part of that which you can share with us? Or if not, any other totally off the wall illogical anomalies which have happened in the recent past?

[Hawaii]

1.) I recommend you open sets or go into environments that make you uncomfortable to desensitize yourself. If you hate nightclubs or daygame, focus on that for a month. If you are scared of mixed sets with alot of AMOG guys, open only mixed sets for a month. Whatever your weakspot focus on it for a month and several hundred sets. You will get so use to it your approach anxiety will go way down and opening in once uncomfortable environments or situations will become second nature.

I also recommend you go out by yourself and work on building instant pivots. The easiest way to do this is open a set, go through A1-A3, get 2 girls on your arms, and walk around and play FMK.

2.) Some quick escalation tactics are several different kino exercises like arm in arm, trust test, thumb wrestling, etc




Hi Hawaii,

1) What are some social pressure excercises do you recommend?

2) what are some of your quick escalation tactics?

Thanks

-S

[Hawaii]

I do what Mystery does and just listen to her, let her talk, and say "I understand"



hi Hawaii -

thanks for taking questions.

what are your thoughts on handling a woman's DOV?

Specifically, in mid/late comfort stages, a girl opening up and revealing really personal stuff, almost in tears - e.g
health problems and can't have babies
close family who died from cancer
and so on.

How to best handle that? (this is a pre-1st closing situation)

thanks,
S.

[Hawaii]

This is just something that I have come to deal with and expect as an ethnic minority in a very racist society. I will occasionally have AMOGs in set say racial slurs to me to try and push my buttons and I will either ignore them or just say "cool man". I even had to deal with this crap from some other MM instructors on several occasions because they thought it would get under my skin.

Im sure all ethnic minorities can relate and agree that this is an unfortunate but common occurance even in todays society.

That being said, I understand what all ethnic minorities have gone through because I have also experienced everything they have first hand. I have found that many ethnic minorities can relate to me more as a teacher because they have gone through the same things I did. They have told me they like learning from me and can really relate to me instead of learning from some good looking caucasian puas who have no idea what they went through and go through every day.



If someone comment about your ethnicity while you are in set, how do you divert the shit test?

[Dynamism]

Thanks Hawaii,

Something more:
Carlos Xuma suggests that you should "make it hard" when it comes to the girl getting you - she has to work for it to appreciate you. That's in the Alpha Male book.

However, Savoy says that you should not play it too hard in Magic Bullets, or she'll get bored. Personally I've heard that she isn't likely to get bored if something is made rare and desirable.

What's the common ground? And at what point should you initiate that? Obviously, it is common sense that playing hard to get when she doesn't have interest doesn't do much... but when she does have interest, it is my opinion that you should make her work.

[Hawaii]

Thanks. means alot

Hawaii, glad to see your finally doing a VAH Q&A.

-TomSawyer

[X-Press]

Yo, yo... Thanks in advance for your time.

Would you recommend being a super DHV'ing guy, even coming off needy or even wierd in the beginning and then calibrating, or building up DHV's as you develop yourself?

[Enigma]

play FMK.



What is FMK?
What is DOV?

[Enigma]

This may sound like nitpicking, but I'm curious.

I noticed that a lot of guys seem to never move their eyebrows. This may in fact look cool and maybe is a DHV?

Others seem to use them too much, which I think is also not right.

So, are there any specific guidelines about using the eyebrows other than: be expressive and calibrate?

Thanks for your time!

[TomSawyer]

What is FMK?

Fuck, marry, kill.

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/routines/games-and-tests/fuck-marry-kill.html

-TomSawyer

[Enigma]

Hi Hawaii,

I'm a low energy guy. This means, that if the average person has an energy level of 100, mine is around 85. This reflects itself in my way of speaking and my facial expressions. Yes, I can bring myself to act like a normal guy with 100 energy level, but this is the same as an average guy acting with 120 energy level. You can do that for a while, but eventually you return to your baseline energy level. Do you have any advice for low energy people like myself?

Thanks, Enigma

[Greystoke]

Hawaii, what is the TV test? Can you describe it?

[Mode]

Hawaii is awesome...respect!

[Hawaii]

You need to calibrate how many DHV's you use to each set. Never come off needy. Neediness kills attraction. Its ok to experiment with various DHV's and run them in each set, but there are certain ones you dont want the other sets around you to see that you are doing the same thing to every set.

It is never a good idea to be needy or weird in any set.


Yo, yo... Thanks in advance for your time.

Would you recommend being a super DHV'ing guy, even coming off needy or even wierd in the beginning and then calibrating, or building up DHV's as you develop yourself?

[Hawaii]

The TV test is a kino compliance and escalation technique. There are 3 main ways to maneuver a girl into the TV test, although it is not easy for me to describe them by typing them out. I would have to demonstrate them in bootcamp to show you in more detail
1. You can tell the girl "Im going to give you the TV test, turn around."
2. You can tap the girl on one shoulder, and turn her around
3. You can grab her by both hands from the front, and spin her around halfway

Now you are behind her and your arms can either be over her shoulders or on her hips. When she turns around, you can grab her hips and pull them towards yours. Now you can calibrate her comfort level and sense any resistance.

Now she is in your arms and you can say something like, "ok, if weve been dating for the past few months, and were lying on the sofa, what TV show would we be watching?" Whatever she responds with you respond with "show's over" and push her away, not too hard, but firmly. If she asks why you pushed her just say "The show was over!"



Hawaii, what is the TV test? Can you describe it?

[Hawaii]

I suggest you be overly expressive and even more animated for awhile just to learn to calibrate peoples reactions to your energy level. You will probably be coming in with too much energy, which is ok, but then it will be easy for you to tone things down.

I also suggest you practice everything in front of the mirror, and watch your facial expressions. Audio record yourself, play it back, and then continue this process over and over until your energy level is high enough and you have enough enthusiasm and vocal tonality and projection in your voice where you are getting attraction from your sets and they are hooking.


Hi Hawaii,

I'm a low energy guy. This means, that if the average person has an energy level of 100, mine is around 85. This reflects itself in my way of speaking and my facial expressions. Yes, I can bring myself to act like a normal guy with 100 energy level, but this is the same as an average guy acting with 120 energy level. You can do that for a while, but eventually you return to your baseline energy level. Do you have any advice for low energy people like myself?

Thanks, Enigma

[Hawaii]

This is such a subtlety that it is rarely even noticed. It is not something that is going to make or break or dramatically effect a set either way. I would not worry about it too much.


This may sound like nitpicking, but I'm curious.

I noticed that a lot of guys seem to never move their eyebrows. This may in fact look cool and maybe is a DHV?

Others seem to use them too much, which I think is also not right.

So, are there any specific guidelines about using the eyebrows other than: be expressive and calibrate?

Thanks for your time!

[Hawaii]

I tend to calibrate with each girl and every situation is different. If I know a girl is interested, I wont answer her calls, and I will wait a day or 2 to return her voicemail messages. If she sends me a text message I tell her my rule is 1 text message per day, and I also dont respond to the message for at least a day. Sometimes I will also make plans with her and then flake on her at the last minute. So yes, I agree, if she has interest, I always make her work.
After I have qualified her in A3 I begin initiating all of this. As for common ground, if I overqualify her, and begin to get IOD's, I will give her an IOI.



Thanks Hawaii,

Something more:
Carlos Xuma suggests that you should "make it hard" when it comes to the girl getting you - she has to work for it to appreciate you. That's in the Alpha Male book.

However, Savoy says that you should not play it too hard in Magic Bullets, or she'll get bored. Personally I've heard that she isn't likely to get bored if something is made rare and desirable.

What's the common ground? And at what point should you initiate that? Obviously, it is common sense that playing hard to get when she doesn't have interest doesn't do much... but when she does have interest, it is my opinion that you should make her work.

[relics]

While being confident, it isn't unheard of to become arrogant.

How would you solve this?

[Navy236]

While being confident, it isn't unheard of to become arrogant.

How would you solve this?

Don't.

They also don't say that in chess re. your sig. Any skilled chessplayer would laugh at a quote like that if he wasn't trying to get you to play for money.

[Navy236]

The PUA should have a universal persona of being friendly, playful but alpha.

If challenged, do you pick a fight, eject, or accept being beta?

These baby gurus are amusing!

[relics]

Navy, please read this
http://venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=827

and how DARE you insult Kiedis! (Chill bud, it's from ROTC, so suck my kiss)

On a different note, I've got another question

I make REAL good friends with girls I've turned to the long term with. Like real good friends. Friends you make when you're 12 kind of good. Unfortunately, we'll always go our separate ways eventually (They want me to commit...and I won't) and they'll go off to usually find a guy.

Now since we have this AWESOME friendship they almost always want me to go and chill with them. Fun and fun, and if they're single theres a chance I'll get some again. However, there are the girls with the boyfriends. Theoretically if I get their buying temps up, well home run. However, I don't want to fuck that up for them. I do leave them better than I found 'em. Honestly.

All that and said, how do continually I dodge her plans to "Chill" without seeming like somethings wrong. I've tried to "chill" already, and was forced into sarging her friends out of boredom or jealousy as she swapped spit with some chode.

Anyway I digress. Hawaii?:)

[Enigma]

Hi Hawaii,

my sticking point is A2. I open fine, a lot of sets hook and I often can stay for a few minutes(5+ minutes), BUT, I fail to generate attraction!

If I understand MM correctly the way to go in A2 is: perform a DHV routine(or DHV story) and watch for IOIs. If there are no IOIs, perform another DHV routine. Continue stacking routines until you receive IOIs or you figure out it's not doable and eject. Is this the way to go or am I misunderstanding something?

How many routines do you usually run in A2 until you get attraction? I have the tendency to run just one routine and if I don't get IOIs I deduce that my delivery is bad and want to eject.

Thanks, Enigma

[Randel Flagg]

Hey Hawaii,

Got a good one for you. I went out tonight to a Mexican bar and there were approximately 3 or 4 HB8 and 9s working the bar for Jagermesiter. I was able to sarge one of the HB8s into buying me a drink, but I was unable to really get anything else going with the remainning of the HB8 ad 9s any suggestions on a method to sarge these women??

[X-Press]

I tend to calibrate with each girl and every situation is different. If I know a girl is interested, I wont answer her calls, and I will wait a day or 2 to return her voicemail messages. If she sends me a text message I tell her my rule is 1 text message per day, and I also dont respond to the message for at least a day. Sometimes I will also make plans with her and then flake on her at the last minute. So yes, I agree, if she has interest, I always make her work.
After I have qualified her in A3 I begin initiating all of this. As for common ground, if I overqualify her, and begin to get IOD's, I will give her an IOI.

Hmmm... I've always thought you're playing most hard to get in A1 and A2 via IOD's and the challenging part of DHV's and then in A3 and C1 as you qualify her and IOI her you're showing more interest... But what you said seem to come off as playing hard to get starting from A3... Can you elaborate on that further?

[johnnybgood]

Hawaii..I've been having trouble attracting the 9's and 10's what are the techniques that work the best for you, for starting the F2M attraction

Thanks for the help

[Hawaii]

Your understanding of A2 is correct. However, it is not always a DHV routine, but rather any A2 material can be used in A2 to generate attraction.
I almost always get attraction on the first A2 routine, but I do sometimes run 3-4 A2 routines to get the BT of the set to increase.

The most important part of your routines is delivery. Body language, tonality, pregnant pauses, facial expressions. Its not as important as what you say, but rather how you say it.



Hi Hawaii,

my sticking point is A2. I open fine, a lot of sets hook and I often can stay for a few minutes(5+ minutes), BUT, I fail to generate attraction!

If I understand MM correctly the way to go in A2 is: perform a DHV routine(or DHV story) and watch for IOIs. If there are no IOIs, perform another DHV routine. Continue stacking routines until you receive IOIs or you figure out it's not doable and eject. Is this the way to go or am I misunderstanding something?

How many routines do you usually run in A2 until you get attraction? I have the tendency to run just one routine and if I don't get IOIs I deduce that my delivery is bad and want to eject.

Thanks, Enigma

[Hawaii]

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Hey Hawaii,

Got a good one for you. I went out tonight to a Mexican bar and there were approximately 3 or 4 HB8 and 9s working the bar for Jagermesiter. I was able to sarge one of the HB8s into buying me a drink, but I was unable to really get anything else going with the remainning of the HB8 ad 9s any suggestions on a method to sarge these women??

[Hawaii]

A1 is the opener, so the only purpose of my opener is to initiate the chat. Unless I open with a neg, I wouldnt say its playing hard to get.
A2 is the F2M attraction, where Im running attraction game. I cannot play hard to get if she is not first attracted to me. If I play hard to get, before she is attracted, she will blow me off or eject. However, the negs in A2 as a disqualifier may be what you are referring to, and can be viewed as playing hard to get. And if youre opener is also, a neg, than that also justifieds your arguement. For example, the "do you know why you suck" opener.


Hmmm... I've always thought you're playing most hard to get in A1 and A2 via IOD's and the challenging part of DHV's and then in A3 and C1 as you qualify her and IOI her you're showing more interest... But what you said seem to come off as playing hard to get starting from A3... Can you elaborate on that further?

[Hawaii]

I always try to befriend. I never try to pick a fight.


If challenged, do you pick a fight, eject, or accept being beta?

These baby gurus are amusing!

[Hawaii]

I usually begin the F2M with several negs, DHV's, or other A2 material like the BF test or ESP.


Hawaii..I've been having trouble attracting the 9's and 10's what are the techniques that work the best for you, for starting the F2M attraction

Thanks for the help