St. Louis, MO

[Limi(t)less]

Anyone here in St. Louis? I have started a small lair here in South County dedicated to growth and mastery of pick-up and social dynamics.

[Marshall]

Have u been to a bootcamp?

[Locke]

I haven't been to bootcamp as of yet but I have read - The Mystery Method, as well as - The game, a number of times. Would having attended bootcamp be a pre-requisite for joining a lair?


Thanks,

[Grinc]

Yep, I just recently moved to the Central West End. PM me and we can exchange contact details.

[Inferno]

I'm on the other side of the river guys in Saint Clair Madison County Area. I'm not opposed to metting up with you guys a hand full of time in the year but a regular bases isn't going to work for me. But i can hook you up with some nice party here over at SIUE

[Grinc]

Sounds good to me. If anyone else is tapped into STL area parties, I'm all ears. Feel free to PM me.

[Inferno]

LOL, i can set up a couple time where i get you on the campus without getting that weird prowler look even though there are 13000 people attending the college. Just PM your # and your location (City and State) and specifics

[ramos712]

Im also in the STL area. Im in alton! We'll all have to have a meeting.

[Limi(t)less]

Hello everyone in StL.
Some of you may of already spoken/met me since I first entered the community about 2 years back.

I know exactly what I am looking for at this time, its just a matter of finding these traits in someone similar.

Basically I'm looking for someone who is into learning how to become a true natural over time and are not just into this for a "quick fix" like the majority.

Hit me up if you are the kind of person who enjoys studying seduction and becoming a natural in a much deeper, inner-game way. I am only looking for those who are really, really into this material......
And I'm not trying to be rude, but I have an extremely busy lifestyle and do not have time to reply to every email I get.

Thanks

[Waldo]

I'm into this material, also have studied Mehow and Jugglers schools of thought. Going to first bootcamp next week in Washington DC. Looking for wings and or a Lair here in St. Louis. I am in Chesterfield. Have strong game, 6 girlfriends including a hb9 professional model. Looking for Wings.

[Super B]

I only want to sarge with other PUA's or at least AFC's who are making a honest attempt to learn. (That is what I consider myself.)
I went out last weekend and was finally able to talk to this HB10 at a club. I had seen her in there a few times and I had made an attempt to talk to this girl in the past with little success.
Earlier I had been talking with some local guys I knew. Not well, just passing aquaintances. Well, they were still standing there when I opened this girl. I forgot that average guys act like the way they did. I personally follow Mystery's rules of winging that he wrote about in the Method. This was like sharks in a feeding frenzy. 3 dudes trying to hit on the same chic. After that I decided I only want to sarge with guys who take this stuff seriously and respect how the game is supposed to be played. That's why I need real wingmen badly.

[Deus]

I live about 40 min away from Saint Louis. I'd consider myself an rAFC, but I'm learning.

[Joe Kerr]

I'm also into the material and would like to go out sarging. Let me know if you have plans to go out in the next month or so.

[Deus]

Actually... tomorrow, South County mall at 2ish?
Feb 10 on Delmar, before going to a Manson Concert
Probably a weeknight or 2 inbetween.

Note: I am 18, so I can't get into some venues.

[Waldo]

Alright, lets get some of us together. I say we should hit a few clubs. Maybe Nectar, Pepper lounge, Lush, etc. Helen Fizgeralds and McGirks are decent target rich environments as well. Its probably a good idea for us to meet first to size our group up. Maybe we could put a few gambits together. Entourage sarging, group attraction, etc. Does anybody in this town have any organized lair information. If not, lets start getting one together ASAP.

[Waldo]

I was at Mardi Gras yesterday with several PUA's. We were wearing Kilts. The chicks were going crazy. We literally played with at least 100 drunk hot chicks. I personally kiss closed at least 6 girls. It was the most intense target rich place I have ever sarged. Next year we should take the place over.

[Joe Kerr]

How old are you? I'm a young looking 32 but looking for chicks in there mid-20's. I might need to find an older group.

[Waldo]

44 yrs old but look low to mid thirtys. My age has never been a factor. I have pulled 19 yr olds to 45 yr olds and everything in between. Im not the strongest closer but have done very well. Trying to tweak my game and can see where other true Artists would be valuable for debriefing and gambits. Lets all meet for a beer somewhere next week.

[Deus]

Damn, I feel so out of place...
I'm 18. I feel like a kid.

[Inferno]

Ok my fellow local men i don't check here often my life is hectic now ever since i got into the game, a combination of school, work and girls you know the normal s#it. But if you want to contact me just hit me up at cvcinferno@yahoo.com plz but in bold VENUSION ARTS or something that tells me your not spam and if i don't get to ya in 24 hours resend it. or you can call me at 618 973 7407 just txt me say hey whats up Inferno

[Super B]

How about the first time we meet up we do it at a middle location such as Hooters in Union station (I am from IL and have never been to the central west end clubs.) we can get to know each other first time out and figure everything else out from their. I am just throwing that location out if people want to change it.

[Waldo]

Next week is good for me. Lets do it.

[Inferno]

The weekends are great for me, i can't really do sunday through thursday because of school and other prior committments i have during those times. We can work out details once we have a date for everyone.

[Deus]

Well, I doubt it'd be possible for me to wing with you guys, what with the age difference and all, but regardless, I want to see someone live in the field.
Also, I'm doing an English project on PUA's (Heh, incentive. Now I MUST practice or fail English), so I'll probably be asking questions.
I have time Sunday morning/afternoon, before a concert. And, if neccessary, I can cancel plans on Saturday.

[Inferno]

I could defiantly do a phone call with ya unless you live on the Illinois i could meet ya in person to discuss PUA. But how old are ya because if your pushing 60 thats the only way i could see anyone not being able to go wing even guys who are under 21.

[Deus]

I'm 18, and I live in Illinois, about 40/50 min from Saint Louis.

[Waldo]

Hey bro! Next weekend may work. Lets see who we can get together and what is best. I think we should meet in the afternoon to size up the potential for sarging. If it goes well we can get out and start pulling. The advantage to meeting during the week would be that we could be ready to go the next weekend.

[Joe Kerr]

I could meet up with you guys on Saturday day, Sunday day, or Tuesday night next week.

[Deus]

I have time on Sunday.
Plans came up on Saturday. I'll be working on an HB9 I've been after.

Delmar would be really convenient for me. I'll be there anyway for a concert that night, plus there's always a lot of people on Delmar.
We could meet at the hookah lounge, if you guys smoke.

[Super B]

Waldo pointed out to me that the Hooters in Unions Station may be closed this weekend.
So anyway, I am going to Wild Country in Collinsville IL Friday night. If any of you guys want to come along I would enjoy your company. I think Inferno may be going. Otherwise it will be a one man mission. Sarge Solo.
I am subscribed to this thread so any reply will go straight to my email. Come on out. The thong-a-thon is at 1 AM. It alone is worth the 5 bucks to get in. This place is a target rich environment! Probably one of the best in the area.

[Joe Kerr]

I can make it Friday night. I'm not too familiar with Collinsville but I"m sure I can find a place called Wild Country. I have shit to do until about 10 that night but after that I'm free.
There actually isn't a hooters in Union Station any more. It moved to Kiener Plaza area...6th or 7th street?? around there somewhere.

[Deus]

What time are you going to be there? I live 40 min from Collinsville, and I don't want to be exhausted for Saturday.

How much do you guys peacock and how classy is the place?
The full extent for me is suit jacket/t-shirt/jeans/belt/tennis shoes/ring/necklace(alright, so it's a rather guady necklace).

[Waldo]

Tomorrow night and Saturday night I'll be sarging the clubs in DC with the man himself. Bringing my wing from here in town. Im gonna try and make an impression. I'll see what wisdom I can bring back. Wish me luck boys!

[Inferno]

I'm thinking about going tomorrow night to Wild Country but i won't be off work till about 915 so i probably won't get there till about 930ish or 10 at the earliest. So if anyone wants to stop by my work, Gamestop, in Collinsville please do just ask for Ken.

I am still open Saturday afternoon so if anyone wants to hit the mall or some where else just just drop me a line.

[Deus]

Hey, I think it'd be a good idea to exchange numbers so we can find each other.
I'll pm you guys with my number- I don't feel comfortable just giving it out

[Super B]

Wild Country does not really get busy until late so don't worry if you can't come early. I probably won't go until about 10 PM myself. They are open until 2 AM I think. Like I said the thong contest is at 1 AM. I am glad that a few guys have expressed interest in going. That is awesome. Here is their web site http://www.wildcountrynightclub.com/

So I will be there around 10. I have Inferno and Deus's numbers I will give you guys a call tonight. Anyone else wants to come on out I will be wearing a black leather jacket and a green ball cap that says something about Ireland. I am about 6'3 and 260 and white as they come. My name is Brian.

[Inferno]

I'll be there tonight guys but i do get off work at 930 and i work just down the street from it so if you guys wanted to meet somewhere before we go in thats cool. I can think of a star bucks and or a fast food restaurant around those areas but i do have to leave in a few minutes for work so drop a line on whats going down because i do not have internet access at work.

As for my attire this evening I'll be wearing Gold Aviators, a Chain necklace with a star and guitar pick on it, a Grey long sleeve graphic tee, blue jeans with a blue denim jacket(possibly), brown top sider slip ons, a preworn drown military style belt and a studded wrist band with a plain wrist leather band. I'm 5'7" 5'8" and 160 lbs. i have a light (farmer haha) tan and brown hair thats combed forward nothing special yet with my hair, i also have the same facial hair as Matador, Mystery and others.

See ya at Wild Country (Yee Ha, i think? haha)

[Deus]

I'm asian lol. I'll be bringing a buddy of mine who is a semi-natural.
I'll be wearing a suit jacket or a leather jacket, depending on weather.

[Joe Kerr]

Guys, I hope you all did well last night. I'm getting my ass kicked by the Flu and didn't have to strenth to go out last night. I do want to get together with you guys next weekend if you go out. Let me know.

[Deus]

Anyone up for Delmar tomorrow afternoon?

[Tha Gangsta]

This is OG from Style's site lookin' for a few good wings.

Me and Tailhook (my current wing) will be at Home at the Ameristar Saturday the 23rd. The downside to this venture is that Paris Hilton will be there.

It's normally free before 10, but I don't know if that'll change due to Paris being there, and dress code is business casual. Jeans are acceptable if they're not ratty. 21 and up to get in and must have valid photo ID (just so you know in case you haven't been).

Hit me back here or email me at rockhouse.hypnosis@yahoo.com. I also have Yahoo IM if you're up for a chat.

OG

[Super B]

Sarge Report - Wild Country was a blast. When I first went in there I was looking for Duece. There were actually a couple of Asian guys in the croud. I wasn't sure which one was him. Then I saw this one asian guy talking to these 2 HB9's and I said, that must be him. It was! LOL.
I think we all had a good time. Everyone made approaches everyone was respectful of each other. Since none of us are masters that is all we can expect from each other.

[Tha Gangsta]

I'm not a "master" either, but once I get in a talkative state it's hard to stop me. And while I might not be a "mPUA" I'm a DGH: Damn Good Hypnotist. :D

Let me know if anyone from St. Louis to Lincoln Counties need some help with sticking points.

OG

[Deus]

I use some NLP, especially in A3 and in comfort (when I can get that far), and I'd like to meet someone who I can learn some hypnotism skill from. Also, I've heard that hypnotism can help with inner game, which I'd like to try.
Plus, it'd be really good for my paper.

[Tha Gangsta]

Deus

I practice mainly hypnotherapy (not certified but you don't need it in Missouri) and help guys out with sticking points and whatnot. But I can do more than that.

If you're already versed in NLP, then learning conversational hypnosis shouldn't too difficult. If you want to get in to the actual aspects of hypnosis, let me know.

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CALL FOR WINGS

This Saturday there's a play goin' down on the 1200 block of 7th Street, at the old Rock House, called TASTISKANKS. It's supposed to be a really raunchy comedy. Show time is 830PM, $7 at the no door (no pre-sales).

I figure we'd be gettin' out of there around 1030 at the latest. We're only a few blocks away from Washington Ave so we can still hit up the lounges afterwards with ample time for socializing. Hit me back if you're interested.

OG

[Waldo]

Very impressive weekend. Was able to talk to Mystery, Lovedrop, Joe D. and Hawaii at length. Nice guys who were very generous with advice and ideas. The classroom content was nothing new for me. I really was able to see some unique game when we got to the clubs. A few guest PUA's were their and witnessed some unreal caveman tactics. HB 10's being thrown around like rag dolls. The celebrity factor along with 5 semi hot pivots doing flash game all night really pulled the HB's in. Lets all get out this Saturday if possible and Sarge. I will give you guys more detail then. If we can get a meeting together to try and organize this Lair it would be a good idea. Lets do it!

[Deus]

What are good 18+ venues in Saint Louis?

I would love to learn some hypnosis.

The Old Rock House.. is that 18+ or 21+?
I definitely think we should go this weekend. I'm planning to make 100 approaches over the course of the english project. That means 24 a week on average for the next month.

[Tha Gangsta]

Deus, drop me your number and I'll call you Saturday around 1 and we'll talk about the hypnosis.

The Rock House used to be a bar, but I believe it's been turned in to more of a "theater" for lack of a better word. I'll do some research and find out.

As far as places that let in 18-20 year olds in St. Louis... I can't think of any. I live out in Warrenton (about 15 miles west of Wentzville on I-70) and don't spend nearly any time in the city.

OG

EDIT: Just got off of CitySearch and the only place that I found that let in 18 and up was a dance club on Northrup called La Onda (The Wave). No reviews were on there and, aside from name of the bar and address, there wasn't any business information about them.

EDIT #2: They're actually a comedy/music act. Check out this YouTube video fo their sex song.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xnePK7nUNfg

I'll have to call them tomorrow, but it looks like Old Rock House is 21 and up, Deus. They advertise as "restaurant and high end nightclub." Check'em out at OldRockHouseSTL.com (don't know the rule about links on this site). But I'll definitely let you know what's goin' on tomorrow.

EDIT: Turns out this show is only an hour long and might be piped in via satellite. It's advertised "Live From New York" and I don't really know how to interpret that. Either way, I'll be hittin' up some lounges on Washington afterwards for some cougar game. Anyone still down?

[Waldo]

Tonight I have a few guys that are naturals and 2 Pivot chicks going in my limo to Wild Country to check it out. Going to get some flash game going and try to work the caveman schtick. I will look for you guys there. Im 6'3" 250 lbs with black cowboy hat with aviator goggles with goatee. Look for hb10s being thrown around, thats me. Lol

[Deus]

Damn!
I may have to go tonight just to see this. When are you going?

[Waldo]

Leaving Chesterfield at 7:30. Probably get there around 9:30 10 ish. Probably wont be wearing goggles. See you there!

[Deus]

Hey man, I missed you at the Wild Country. You should have dropped me a line so I could find you. I saw the limo outside though. Was it white? As we left, we saw it and waited around a bit before leaving.
Man, Saturday nights at WC are really empty. Fridays are apparently the best nights. Last time I was there (a Friday) it was PACKED.
I'm asian, and I was wearing a leather jacket, blue t-shirt, and metal ball necklace.

[Waldo]

Hey Deus! That was us, we were there. It was dead. Too many sub par chicks. First we warmed up at Helen Fitzgeralds and number closed a couple hb7's. We came to Wild Country with a couple hb6's and left with them. Flash game was impossible at Wild Country. Went to Bucca on the landing and played with several 7's. Kiss closed 2, number closed a few and was kino plowing all night. Thats a great environment for microloops and pure kino. Lets all meet this week.

[jmailstl314]

Is anyone looking to start an actual lair where we meet weekly. I can organize something but if their isn't a real demand I figure why waste the time. Im looking to get people from all schools of thought from routine based to "natural" , direct or indirect together to share ideas. Not to flame about which is better. Basically Im looking for people who want to share ideas which will better everyone's reality. The meetings would start a month from now and then people could make time to come rather than just I can do it Sunday no how bout Friday ect
Also if we organize this way people can meet outside venues plus our under 21 crowd can still meet and talk about day game. Which I am definately interested in getting better at. You wanna talk about odds.

Hit me up at jmailstl314@yahoo.com

Also anyone interested in attending the 2008 PUA summit http://puasummit.com/ in Hollywood and splitting a room let me know. This i need to know before the 29th

PS I'm 25 if that really matters

[Waldo]

Lets get this Lair going. I agree with the way you are laying it out. Some of us have real info to share with the others. If they dont want to meet its their loss. I could always use some critiquing and debriefing. I say we post a date, time and place and do it. Why wait a month. How about this Saturday at 1:00 at the Hard Rock at Union Station? Come on AFC's lets fucking do it!

[Deus]

I'm actually in Chicago this Saturday for a school thing. I'll be back Sunday afternoon/night. My weekend schedule is pretty hectic for the next month or so, so meetings starting in a month would actually be perfect for me. My current schedule is:
Mar 1&3: My only free weekend.
Mar 9&10: School stuff on Saturday. Probably be back that night.
Mar 16&17: If we did well on the 9th, then I'll be gone until Sunday afternoon/night. Then we're leaving for...
Mar 18-24: Spring break. I'll hopefully be in New York.
From there, my weekends should be relatively free.

Oh Super B, that means I can't make it to Wild Country this Friday.

I just found about the Under 21 PUA convention in Orlando this summer. Hopefully, I'll be able to go. It sounds really cool. It depends on which of my friends decide to go with me to China this summer (crazy graduation vacation! Hey, I got a riddle for ya: What starts with "wome" and ends with "lowjob"? Girls on vacation!).

[Inferno]

This weekend is a no go for me because i have an Alumni game this Friday night so I'm not going to have any energy after the game to go sarging. Also Saturday I'm going to be gone all day up at Chicago so maybe some other time. Also because of my schedule (Calculus is kicking my ass) coming up its in my best interest to get as much sleep as possible, i knew this time was coming so hitting nightclubs isn't an option for me for about a month and a half. All is not lost i will still be Day Gaming when I'm out and about.

[Super B]

I am good to go for whatever. I don't really see the point in holding meetings though. We can talk about the game at the venue.

[Waldo]

Holy shit! This is looking a little complicated. You know, I have a lot to do too. You should consider the value meeting periodically could have. Lets keep talking about this and see if we can work it out. We are only talking about an hour every week or month. If you pick up on just one distinction, it could change your life. We could always just debrief after Sarging.

[Inferno]

I think meeting somewhere once very two weeks is a good idea but debriefs not some much

[Super B]

I like the debrief after sarging. I don't mind having my game critiqued by other guys.

[Waldo]

Its a no brainer guys. To have other PUA's critique your game can only be a good thing. We are talking about tweeking and refining your delivery and pitch. This can be very valuable stuff. God knows I need as much help as I can get. I want to have my house and yacht full of hot bitches this summer. To find the right girl you will probably need to go through the process of elimination for quite a while. You might as well get real good at it!

[Deus]

Hey, anyone wanna hang out tomorrow or Sunday? Sarging optional? Mandatory? lol
Man, I had a rough day today. Some bad shit went down (waay bad. I'm crashing at a buddy's place because I kinda fear for my life! I'll tell you guys in person if you meet me), and I just want to get away from it all. I'll probably hit Union Station with a few friends of mine, and we'll see how it goes from there.

[Waldo]

Deus Bro, stay away from the married chicks. Fear for your life? Holy shit! whod you fuck?

[Deus]

I wish. A girl I LJBF'd was almost raped by one of my "friends" who snapped and threatened to kill me. He's had a history for taking things too far.

[Inferno]

Damn bro but think of the bright side you have an oppinion opener, i guess thats the silver lining in that situation

[Deus]

Lol, I actually used it as an opener at the mall that day.

[Inferno]

Good i will say that it seems you have grown alot since we last met thats good to see.

[Deus]

I haven't sarged in a while, so I was going to go to Wild Country this Friday with a friend or 2. We'll probably be there around either 9 or 11. We're seeing a movie beforehand, so it depends on which showtime we go to.

[Waldo]

Deus, Ive been busy nailing hb 9's. The first thing you want to do is start sarging. You cant do this sitting in a movie theatre with a dude. Get out there and start opening sets. Guys we need to get a lair started. Inferno and I are talking about having a meeting this Saturday at the Hard Rock at Union Station. Who the fuck is in??? Come on, this could change your life. Make the time, it costs you nothing.. Let us know!

[Deus]

I can't. Not on Saturday. I'll be competing in Belleville until 6-7pm. It's forensics- the speech team. Even though it's nerdy, it really helps my delivery skills. Plus, I'll be sarging speech girls all day with little to no competition.
But I was thinking about sarging ten14 later that night.
I could definitely meet up on Sunday though.

[Inferno]

Well i'm growing impatient and say that the inivitation is there and if you come you come but if i go i won't be there till about 200 cause i get off work at one

[Super B]

Anyone still want to Sarge around here? Get in contact with me. I still go out alot and I am still wanting wingmen. Waldo, I lost your number but I am still interested in learning what you may have picked up from the bootcamp.

[Deus]

Hey guys, starting next week, I'll FINALLY have free weekends.
I just got done with stuff for drama club, so I finally have time after school.

I mentioned a while ago that I was doing a project on the Community to help motivate me. If you guys wouldn't mind, could you do me a favor and fill this out?:

1. What is your name or the name of your avatar? If you use an avatar, why do you use it?

2. How old are you?

3. Where do you live?

4. How were you introduced to the Community?

5. What style of pick up do you practice?

6. What is your opinion of the Community?

7. What are your ethics for pick up?

8. How do you view the ethics of the Community as a whole?

9. What is the most important thing you have learned from your time in the Community?

10. Have you come across any interesting or unique problems during your time in the Community?

11. What do you believe is the future for the Community? What would you like to see happen?

[Deus]

Anyone up for this Friday? There's a club I've been hearing about that's 18+. It's called ten14 and it's in Saint Louis.
I FINALLY have time again. The last few weekends have just been full of work.

New resolution, guys: From now on, every weekend, I will spend at least one night out and one afternoon out or with friends. This will push me to be more social. The only exception is heavy school work or another prior responsibility.

[Big]

Hey guys,
I'm looking for wings in St. Louis. I'm in Soulard, but open to working all over. If you have interest, send me a private message. -j

[Deus]

Hey guys, school's finally over, so I have time to sarge now. Anyone wanna sarge with me?

[Remy]

Hey guys i'm new to this forum.. but i am not new to the game. I still am a PUA in training so to speak. I am not looking for a "quick fix" I am looking to permanently iron out this area in my life. I'd like to meet some other people in STL area ( I live in Ofallon, Il) that also get together and sarge or get together and talk about this stuff or just want a Wing. If you want to know more about me i have plenty to tell. I have no problems with online game and text game, since i've been doing it for 5+ yrs.. my problem is actually going out and sarging. At times I have AA and my mind goes blank at times I can do it with ease, majority of it tho I get AA. Well email me or PM me. I am down for meeting other PUA's as well.

[tikiman]

hey guyz wats going on?
I'm not that experienced with all this PUA stuff but am definitely tired of my old lifestyle so its time for a change... right now i'm focusing on graduatin but i'll be available starting this summer and the next year and so on since i'll be working from then on. I'm looking for some wings or even to join a Lair in St. Louis to get going full time. I'm a very ambitious person n def wanna improve. I'm from the Maryland Heights area. So jst PM me if u guyz got some time this summer

tikiman

[vinnie sunshine]

hey guys,

name's vinnie. i live in springfield mo. looking at starting a lair here. got 2 solid wings and an AFC i'm trying to reform. Right now I'm looking for tips on lair activities, good assignments for inner game, et cetera. I'm reasonably well-versed in the game, and i have the resources available to make this a serious project, like Project Springfield scale.

Who's the leader of the STL lair, if you have one?

also, next time I'm headed that way I'll let you guys know. I'm hooked in to the nightlife up there pretty well. I'm a party promoter here in Springfield and have taps all over the city.

[SocialKinetix]

Sup Vinnie, this is Drifter Miles from Social Kinetix.

I almost forgot about this board until you mentioned it!

Now that I'm here, what's up STL!

I don't know if you guys have a lair or not, but I just put up an offer for the Omaha folks in this thread.

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21541


If ya'll are lackin' a lair, I'd be happy to help out with you guys, too.

Same goes for you Vinnie and your Springfield crew.

Just let me know, guys.

You can find me at www.socialkinetix.com

[Vizio]

Hey guys, let me know if your lair is still active. I'm in St. Louis on a regular basis.

[MrBrews]

anyone here still in the Lair?