"Inner Game" Defined - for noobs and pros alike

[Johnny Soporno]

A whole lot of wanna-be Players, Pick Up Artists ('PUAs'), and Seducers out there have been rushing into the scene in the two years or so, since The Game was released on the unsuspecting public...

It's tragic to watch as these new entrants into our wonderful Game, instead of ACTUALLY becoming Players, become 'Playas'; instead of Pick Up Artists, they become 'Pick Up Technique Zealots' ('PUTZs'); and instead of becoming Seducers, they become 'Womanizers'.

Ironically, although The Game is CLEARLY a condemnation of the jejune and hollow lives of most of its participants, an amazing number of people appear to have missed this message, instead only being intrigued by the notion of getting laid by hotter/more/any women.

In an effort to prevent spiritual and psychological decay amongst the people whom this community most stands to serve, I am going to attempt to frame things in such a way as to help neophytes and experienced participants alike to evolve into this gradually, rather than rushing in like proverbial fools.

Here goes:

"Inner Game" is a convenient euphemism for having a "Satisfied Sense-of-Self". The more richly developed you are AS A PERSON, the less crafty and manipulative you need to be as a Player, and the less you need to justify that you DESERVE the playboy lifestyle you have chosen.

Once you wrap your mind around this, everything falls into place: Inner Game isn't something you get taught, it isn't something you study - it's something you must EARN!

The irony is, ONLY YOU can award it to yourself.

This Self-Confidence is like Freedom: You must EARN it - it can't be bought, borrowed, or stolen, nor can it be given away.
(When Freedom is GIVEN to you, that's ACTUALLY abandonment. Think about it!)

By earning your OWN respect, and satisfying yourself that you are becoming more fully-realized with each new experience you have, you begin TRULY to like yourself.

We're all looking to live as playboys, but there is nothing innately positive about the 'worthless playboy' stereotype. Oh, it LOOKS like fun, but it's empty and shallow...

The paradigm I recommend alternatively is "Worthy Playboy" and I elaborate on it further now:

To become a 'Worthy Playboy' you must develop yourself as a Renaissance Man (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Renaissance%20man); you should endeavour to gain a broad-base of knowledge in areas you believe people who'd interest you will be versed. This will help you to remain interesting to them also; as being interesting is INFINITELY more attractive than being 'impressive'.

As a Worthy Playboy, you should be comfortable and confident enough to carry on conversations with women on subjects you have historically known nothing about, by candidly and sincerely encouraging them to share THEIR insights with you.
NEVER FORGET: Everyone's favourite subject is themselves, and NOTHING makes you more attractive to another person than being INTERESTED in what they have to say. This works for men and women alike - but women are far more impressed when they receive this attention from men (since most men are usually too arrogant to concede they might not know everything... Schmucks.)

A Worthy Playboy is never ashamed of NOT KNOWING, because A) no one can know everything, and B) women will be DELIGHTED that their knowing something you don't isn't intimidating to you - and they will be flattered that you're man-enough to let them teach something to you.
"Know Thyself" said The Oracle, and that was profound advice - FOR SELF-DECEPTION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.

Introspectively interrogate yourself to discover WHO YOU ARE as you develop - to ensure you haven't lost sight of yourself.

Once you KNOW who you are, you'll know what you'll do.

IF YOU ONLY DO THE THINGS WHICH MAKE SENSE TO YOU, in which you find yourself BOTH cerebrally and emotionally settled, and where your conscience is unperturbed, YOU'LL BE ACTING WITH 'REASONED CONFIDENCE'.

This is the rational way of leading your life - by following these internal guidlelines, you'll NEVER have reason for regret, and no justification for embarrassment, EVEN if things don't work out immediately! (In such cases, dispassionately step back from the experience, return to the plan to see whether the problem was situational or persistant, and modify as-necessary before trying again.)

By proceeding ONLY with Reasoned Confidence, the only guilt you need EVER feel is the guilt of letting yourself down; the ONLY embarrassment, the embarrassment of making the same mistakes over again; the ONLY regret, the regret of not having come to this epiphany earlier.


Promise yourself regularily, "I will never do anything I wouldn't do" - and keep that promise faithfully - your internal consistency and congruency depends on it. Your ethical system should NOT have a 'margin release key' - that is the road to conscious hypocrisy (See "Self-Deception" above) and is nothing less than personal treason.

Explore your world - expand your horizons, develop new friendships with people of high integrity and ethics, and remain true to yourself and your word. Your relationships and your reputation are your strongest weapons in the battle against psychological misery and emotional defeat - make certain they are solid, just, and dependable as best you can.

As you progess, you will become comfortable that ANY PERSON (man or woman) with whom you interact will feel and be better-off for knowing you [even if it's simply because you proved to them that GOOD MEN still exist, and find THEM interesting] and that they will feel better about themselves because they've spent time with you.

What could be a more-attractive attribute to have?

Most of all, YOU MUST BECOME SELF-ACTUALIZED - in other words, you need to find your comfort with yourself based on your confidently and successfully following your own path, and NOT narcissistically through the approval of others.

Permitting yourself to be held-back from progressing because you fear the disapproval of people you don't admire is MADNESS!

Lead your own life, and conscientiously ensure you make all your descisions with Reasoned Confidence, and when you are met with disapproving or taunting jibes from 'the peanut gallery' just take note of it - then

DO AS YOU WILL, and watch as your detractors become your admirers. There's no arguing with success.

Good luck to you all,

I hope you find value in this.

Johnny Soporno

[Solus]

'Pick Up Technique Zealots' ('PUTZs')

Haha, I love you Johnny Soporno! 'PUTZs' is my favourite new piece of PUA acronym/babble speak. More seriously, there's a lot of value in this post - I'll be reading this a few times over in the next few days.

[Ocean]

Johnny - I sincerely thank you for this post.

[Dynamism]

This truly is the way.

You feel fucking good knowing that you are in an environment with people who are fun-loving and intelligent. I wish more people faced their fears and tried new things in order to grow. The "routines" part of the MM cam be fun but frankly nothing comes close to having great inner game, or at least being on the royal road to achieving that.

[thunderleg]

Inspirational post Johnny soporno.

Many thanks

[Hero]

"I will never do anything I wouldn't do" - [/color]and keep that promise faithfully - your internal consistency and congruency depends on it.

I'm confused. I thought I wasn't supposed to be stuck in my "comfort zone". I have to a neophile instead of a neophobe. Otherwise I would never try new experiences that's always scary when you try it for the first time.

Johnny, I think you're already done with the "I have to get out of my comfort zone" phase. So that part of your article, the part where you say "I will never do anything I wouldn't do" is for the pros... but are you sure that's meant for noobs as well?

[Smurk]

What's the point of this post. Your advice is merely YOUR perspective. So what if im a womenizer(dont leave me around your girl(or girls, or whatever);) )

You're caught up in this inner game bullshit.

Aside from running your Deep throating college(I'd NEVER let half of those girls touch my man stick,they're ugly as fuck) do you actually SARGE? and get RESULTS,like do you go OUT?No not for beers.

I doubt it very highly, i will put 500 dollars down that you wont pull on command,you're just a KJ who actually knows how to type well.


Stop swagger Jackin, RJ already covered this

Hoe!

[Navy236]

To become a 'Worthy Playboy' you must develop yourself as a Renaissance Man (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Renaissance%20man); you should endeavour to gain a broad-base of knowledge in areas you believe people who'd interest you will be versed. This will help you to remain interesting to them also; as being interesting is INFINITELY more attractive than being 'impressive'.

That is not a tactic or a technique, that's a total overhaul of one's personality.

Game is when you get better women without changing a single thing about yourself. You're talking about self-improvement, and there are psychologists who are much better at it than any unqualified ("lay") seduction guru.

[Sanj]

OMG - you guys just don't get it do you? (Navy and Smurk)

This is a post not only filled with value, but one which is over flowing with absolute gems. The 'inner game' is essentially game - these are the fundamentals. If PU is about primarily picking up girls for you - then you won't find much value in this post. However, If you are on the path to become a better person - then I think you'll find immense value in this post.

Anyways - to every man his own.

Peace~Sanj.

[Equal]

This is the type of post that would not be allowed in the new underground community - no offense or anything.

Equal

[Equal]

That is not a tactic or a technique, that's a total overhaul of one's personality.

Game is when you get better women without changing a single thing about yourself. You're talking about self-improvement, and there are psychologists who are much better at it than any unqualified ("lay") seduction guru.

This may be the greatest post of all time NAVY!

The inner game crutch will never die - I encourage guys to keep working on inner game - less competition for us.

Either way soon we will have an area to post all new canned stuff that everyone hates.....

Equal

[phoenix]

Great Post.

It is true, without inner game there is no outer game.

[Johnny Soporno]

I'm confused. I thought I wasn't supposed to be stuck in my "comfort zone". I have to a neophile instead of a neophobe. Otherwise I would never try new experiences that's always scary when you try it for the first time.

Thanks for asking, Hero -

Where I say "I will never do anything hat I wouldn't do!" I am speaking explicitly the case where I would not do something because philosophically, spiritually, and conscientiously I would be acting against my own reasoned confidence - against my own values.

I can see where the confusion arose - if you interpret my "wouldn't do" as based on ones track-record of what you HAVE done, then yes, it is counter-progress.

In the next paragraph beneath the one which raised this contention, I describe the necessity to continually expand your world-view, experience-base, etc - so I had failed to consider that, taken as an exclusive-encapsulation, your interpretation was possible.

My error! Thanks for bringing this to my attention - I will try to craft a more concrete version before I post this next.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Johnny Soporno]

What's the point of this post.

To provide a functional and definitive interpretation of 'Inner Game' which will allow anyone who reads it to better-understand why all the successful, established Players continually evolve into espousing the critical and essential urgency of pursuing Inner-Game.

Your advice is merely YOUR perspective.

My advice is just that - my advice. I give it to you, and to the whole of the Community, for free - and you may value it as you will.

You're caught up in this inner game bullshit.

I'm sorry you've become prejudiced against the notion of Inner-game. I hope that you'll revisit this definition at some point in the future, when you've learned more about the nature of your life, and at that point you will be in a position to read it without such a vitriolic hostility.

Aside from running your Deep throating college (I'd NEVER let half of those girls touch my man stick,they're ugly as fuck) do you actually SARGE? and get RESULTS, like do you go OUT? No not for beers.

I doubt it very highly, i will put 500 dollars down that you wont pull on command,you're just a KJ who actually knows how to type well.



Thank you for noticing my typing skills.

I don't drink, so going out for beers is outside of my agenda.

I don't 'sarge' in a traditional sense: I do go out, I meet interesting and attractive women, and I bring them home with me. I don't take phone numbers or go on 'day 2s' with girls I haven't at least gotten head from on our first encounter.

There's more detail in the profile Style published about me a couple of months ago - you can read it online at www.JohnnySoporno.com - it is the first thing which comes up when you visit that site. (To see more photographs from that address, click on the link above the article which points back to Flickr.com, or alternatively visit www.WorthyPlayboys.com, which is another of my photoalbums.

Here is a picture of myself and two collegues, notorious Inner-Game advocates Steve P. and Zan, speaking to the attendees at last year's Cliff's List Convention...
(You wouldn't have liked it, we were discussing first-night stands (same-day F-close pulls with women of quality whom you'll keep in your roster for the long-term) and other things which require solid inner-game.)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/1850764014_4b41015f93.jpg



Finally, I have gone back through the photographs at www.SS4G.com, looking for the 'ugly as fuck' girls, and I'm afraid I am unable to find ANY ugly girls in the entire set! Please take half-an-hour and go through them, keeping track of any whom you wouldn't permit to touch your 'man stick', and let me know, okay?

You may rest easy, regardless - I'm prepared to ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE that you'll never have to worry about any of the SS4G grads coming anywhere near your "man stick", or any other part of you, frankly.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Greystoke]

What's the point of this post. Your advice is merely YOUR perspective. So what if im a womenizer(dont leave me around your girl(or girls, or whatever);) )

You're caught up in this inner game bullshit.

Aside from running your Deep throating college(I'd NEVER let half of those girls touch my man stick,they're ugly as fuck) do you actually SARGE? and get RESULTS,like do you go OUT?No not for beers.

I doubt it very highly, i will put 500 dollars down that you wont pull on command,you're just a KJ who actually knows how to type well.

Stop swagger Jackin, RJ already covered this

Hoe!

Please send your hard-earned cash to Johnny Soporno. Now!

JS, I want you to confirm that you got that $500, which I am sure you will donate to a cause-worthy charity of your choice.

Smurk, if you want to challenge one of the best gurus on the planet, you better keep your word... and your dick in your pants, insolent KJ.

[Johnny Soporno]

This is the type of post that would not be allowed in the new underground community - no offense or anything.

Equal

Thanks for the heads up, Equal -

This 'new underground community' about which you're speaking, is that mostly related to Subway/Tubeway/Metro Game? Or maybe a subterranean troglodyte society which you've been keeping hidden?

Either way, it's conviniently ironic that they only place where my works would be censored would ALSO be the only place I wouldn't want to share them, simply because it would be the sort of place which permitted censorship!

Life's like that.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Mild_Seven]

IF YOU ONLY DO THE THINGS WHICH MAKE SENSE TO YOU, in which you find yourself BOTH cerebrally and emotionally settled, and where your conscience is unperturbed, YOU'LL BE ACTING WITH 'REASONED CONFIDENCE'.

This is the rational way of leading your life - by following these internal guidlelines, you'll NEVER have reason for regret, and no justification for embarrassment, EVEN if things don't work out immediately! (In such cases, dispassionately step back from the experience, return to the plan to see whether the problem was situational or persistant, and modify as-necessary before trying again.)

By proceeding ONLY with Reasoned Confidence, the only guilt you need EVER feel is the guilt of letting yourself down; the ONLY embarrassment, the embarrassment of making the same mistakes over again; the ONLY regret, the regret of not having come to this epiphany earlier.

Johnny, I read these words in the same post you made on the RSD forum a while back. Reading these words instantly changed my outlook on life and allowed me to finally be free of all sorts of pressures that I couldn't shake off.
I have been an immeasurably happier person since reading this. A sincere thank you.

[Equal]

Johnny - Yes the new forum is dedicated to subway game.

No one is disputing solid inner game - we are just pointing out that these posts generally lead to KJ breakouts.

Why dont you post field reports that SPECIFICALLY outline what you do to get same day lays - you can highlight your inner game there. That would be super helpful and more than welcome.

Equal

[Randel Flagg]

Hey Jonny S,

So is you game a combination of current methods or have you developed your own. I guess what Im trying to ask. QWhat method is the basis for you game. I've found some of your older posts intriguing and Im curious how you got your start??

Thanks,

Tredd

[Flowz]

Thank you for this contribution..

Any member of the community who is able to comprehend these words and digest them with a non-judgemental yet philosophical brain WILL benefit from this.. No matter there level of advancement..

Credit where it's due..

RespecT

Flowz..

[Solitaire]

Dear Equal:

Do us all a favor, and jump off the nearest tall building. Honestly, you are the most ignorant, dumb fucking keyboard jockey I have met on ANY forum.

WHY would Johnny want to post his lay/field reports? So 10,000 wanna be pickup artists can copy HIS words, HIS style, HIS personality?

Unless you are JOHNNY SOPORNO, knowing what he DOES is going to do you fuck all for good. It's not who YOU are, and it's not coming from YOUR personality. If you want to copy somebody, go copy Mystery. Johnny is his OWN person, and doesn't need a bunch of clones.

By the way, if you want get laid without somebody detailing EXACTLY HOW to run every part of an interaction...you lack necessary social skills, and inner game BIG TIME.

You don't get laid by come cookie cutter set of instructions. You get laid by BEING THE BEST SELF YOU CAN BE, and living a rich and fulfilling life. And when you finally have enough in you that the opinions of others don't change how you feel about yourself, you start to understand what was missing all along.


Yeah moron, it's SELF improvement. Last time I checked, you were in this community because YOU COULDN'T GET LAID. And why couldn't you get laid? Self esteem, neediness, self destructive behavior, poor social skills.....in one concept, INNER GAME.

Since meeting Johhny, my success with women has gone WAAAAY up. Mor eimportantly, I feel better about myself, and who I am. I don't need others constant validation to feel good about myself. THATS what I came into this community for

Now, what building is that again? :D

P.S: Johnny is fucking amazing, and I can't speak highly enough of him.

[Johnny Soporno]

Hey Johnny S,

So is your game a combination of current methods or have you developed your own? I guess what I'm trying to ask is 'What method is the basis for your game?' I've found some of your older posts intriguing and I'm curious how you got your start??

Thanks,

Tredd


My Game is holistically my own - I've been a Player since long-before Speed Seduction, DYD, or MM were published. (I am a 'Lounge VIP' based upon mutual respect, rather than 'bootcamp attendance')

I've been developing my philosophies and sharing them freely since my early 20s (I'm 38 now) with profound success amongst the people who were brave-enough to ignore social-convention and embrace the Unbelievable Truth I'm trying to impart: There are FANTASTICALLY more desirable women than there are worthwhile men!

My 'Game' is fundamentally 'inner-game' driven: First, develop into a person YOU'D admire; someone YOU'D be proud to have as a friend. THEN when you see interesting-seeming/attractive-looking women, you'll KNOW you're doing them a favour by sharing yourself with them. Q.E.D.

Check out my free video seminars at www.SeductiveReasoning.com (http://www.SeductiveReasoning.com) to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about!

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Highfiv3r]

develop into a person YOU'D admire; someone YOU'D be proud to have as a friend. THEN when you see interesting-seeming/attractive-looking women, you'll KNOW you're doing them a favour by sharing yourself with them.


Great advice. This is something I have spent the whole of the last 5 years doing and now I seem to be getting to a point where I no longer look up to everyone... I'm actually having trouble finding people that I can look up to!

When you spend so much of your life developing yourself, indulging various philosophies, and becoming that person that you once thought you could never be, a new fear creeps its way into your life - the sudden realisation that, more often than not, you are the leader in most situations you care to put yourself in. Now I don't know about the rest of you but this scares the shit out of me, and it's only something that I've realised fairly recently so I'm still coming to terms with it. It's lonely at the top :o.

Johnny... You sound like you've got it pretty bang-on, and it's a sad fact that you are one of very few. It's true that I've never met you, but if the way you present yourself in real-life is anything like your conduct in writing then you might find that it's not just women you are beating off with a stick.

I'll stop blowing smoke up your arse now (pardon the expression considering the somewhat dubious content of the last paragraph ;)). Suffice to say that if readers of this thread didn't get any value from Johnny's original post, then arrogant tossers like me will suggest that you are under-developed, and that one day you will see the light.

[drjekyll]

Just read the original post again. Love it.

[Equal]

Dear Equal:

Do us all a favor, and jump off the nearest tall building. Honestly, you are the most ignorant, dumb fucking keyboard jockey I have met on ANY forum.

WHY would Johnny want to post his lay/field reports? So 10,000 wanna be pickup artists can copy HIS words, HIS style, HIS personality?

Unless you are JOHNNY SOPORNO, knowing what he DOES is going to do you fuck all for good. It's not who YOU are, and it's not coming from YOUR personality. If you want to copy somebody, go copy Mystery. Johnny is his OWN person, and doesn't need a bunch of clones.

By the way, if you want get laid without somebody detailing EXACTLY HOW to run every part of an interaction...you lack necessary social skills, and inner game BIG TIME.

You don't get laid by come cookie cutter set of instructions. You get laid by BEING THE BEST SELF YOU CAN BE, and living a rich and fulfilling life. And when you finally have enough in you that the opinions of others don't change how you feel about yourself, you start to understand what was missing all along.


Yeah moron, it's SELF improvement. Last time I checked, you were in this community because YOU COULDN'T GET LAID. And why couldn't you get laid? Self esteem, neediness, self destructive behavior, poor social skills.....in one concept, INNER GAME.

Since meeting Johhny, my success with women has gone WAAAAY up. Mor eimportantly, I feel better about myself, and who I am. I don't need others constant validation to feel good about myself. THATS what I came into this community for

Now, what building is that again? :D

P.S: Johnny is fucking amazing, and I can't speak highly enough of him.


I havent checked this forum in a while but this is truly funny - yeah you are right. You also have zero idea who you are talking to - proceed to work on your self improvement.

Equal

[drjekyll]

Hi Equal! Remember when I tooled you over at TMM?

I do.

Oh, it was funny.

Now go on - have another tantrum.

Dance for me, little monkey. Dance like the wind!

[Equal]

Hi Equal! Remember when I tooled you over at TMM?

I do.

Oh, it was funny.

Now go on - have another tantrum.

Dance for me, little monkey. Dance like the wind!

Yeah I remember you - they banned you before or after me - who knows. That forum is 100% KJ. This one is headed there.

I don't recall having a tantrum, and definately don't recall you tooling anyone (but I am sure you believe that) I do recall your 5000 posts on complete BS. I see you are still online, posting and selling. Etiher way I don't really care - posting on these forums is not something I spend a lot of time on.

FWIW I still think that chicks post on TMM was bullshit, I called her on it and they banned me. My gain.

Equal

PS - What are you selling DrJerkoff? You must have an ebook or a class or a cult or something where you teach guys how to focus on being better people to get laid. Some upper level shit or something, come on you MUST be selling!!!!

[drjekyll]

Yeah I remember you - they banned you before or after me - who knows. That forum is 100% KJ. This one is headed there.

I don't recall having a tantrum, and definately don't recall you tooling anyone (but I am sure you believe that) I do recall your 5000 posts on complete BS. I see you are still online, posting and selling. Etiher way I don't really care - posting on these forums is not something I spend a lot of time on.

FWIW I still think that chicks post on TMM was bullshit, I called her on it and they banned me. My gain.

Equal


And there he goes! Look at the monkey! Look at him!

Isn't he cute?

Everybody!! Look at the monkey dance!!

WOOT!

[Johnny Soporno]

Fellas!

Please cut out this fighting, it doesn't help anyone, and just dilutes what value can be found from these forums.


Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[drjekyll]

Fellas!

Please cut out this fighting, it doesn't help anyone, and just dilutes what value can be found from these forums.


Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

*kicks feet*

Oh, ok Johnny. Just cos it's you.

[Equal]

You attacked me and now you are calling me a dancing monkey for calling you on your bullshit. Please see the PS in my edit.

Just so we are clear, and since you are such an inner game master, I truly dont care what you think, so by responding to you I am not qualifying myself.

Quite the opposite, I am like the super hot girl that dumps the drink on your head in the middle of a packed bar and tells you that your breath smells, your clothes are an obvious attempt to be cool and that you are not as important as you think you are and THEN she tells you to go fuck yourself. See she knows you are a chode trying to play a guru or master or some dungeons and dragons crap - you truly mean NOTHING in her world.

See when all the other chicks see this you can act like it doesn't matter, but deep down we all know it does.

For all you guys that don't get the anology in this post - I am sorry maybe the new MM guys will cover it an in ebook.

Equal

[Equal]

Fellas!

Please cut out this fighting, it doesn't help anyone, and just dilutes what value can be found from these forums.


Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

FWIW - I am trying to add and take value from these forums. the response to getting a venue for just canned stuff has been tremendous. Now that summer is basically over I will work on getting it going, but frankly the community feels shallow to me and I am bummed about that.

As for DrJerkOff he attacked me, he is a huge KJ period and he will no doubt be selling something. In the end all these inner game guys are better for guys like me, so carry on.

I have nothing against Johnny or Sigma, in fact Sigma has given me great advice in the past, but DrJerkOff is another story.

Equal

[Johnny Soporno]

Why don't you post field reports that SPECIFICALLY outline what you do to get same day lays - you can highlight your inner game there. That would be super helpful and more than welcome.


A fine question, Equal - and I'll give you my stock answer:

If you do what you watch me doing, and say what you hear me saying, it will not get you what you see me getting - unless you have earned the same degree of self-satisfaction that I have.

In other words, if anyone were to try to emulate my Game who hadn't the mature inner-game to match it, and the organically-grown outer-game (which is a byproduct of developing that inner-game), they would generate profoundly negative results. (I've witnessed this enough to know it to be inevitable - that's why I don't post FRs/LRs anywhere... and discourage my proteges from posting their own accounts of my interactions.)

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Equal]

A fine question, Equal - and I'll give you my stock answer:

If you do what you watch me doing, and say what you hear me saying, it will not get you what you see me getting - unless you have the same-degree of self-satisfaction that I have.

In other words, if anyone were to try to emulate my Game who hadn't the mature inner-game to match it, and the organically-grown outer-game which comes from developing that inner-game, they would generate profoundly negative results. (I've witnessed this enough to know it to be inevitable - that's why I don't post FRs/LRs anywhere... and discourage my proteges from posting their accounts of my interactions.)

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

Don't assume everyone here is a social moron or they don't have self-satisfaction. Some of the most successful, powerful and satisfied people I know suck with women. They lead really happy lifes otherwise. Ohh and this is critical the fucking community started to help guys get laid, guys that were nice and normal in all other ways but they just didnt get laid as much as they wanted to.

Your using the same the game has evolved nonsense. I learned a ton from FRs back in the day - and in fact I just had a situation last night were reflecting on it I learned from MY mistake. God forbid someone else had posted something similar, maybe I would have gotten laid. The game hasn't evolved past sex.

If guys really have personally issues, they should be seeing professional doctors not pick up gurus - that is just common sense. I think my points are 100% clear. I really don't care what anyone thinks - I just wasn't going to let the other jackass attack me.

Equal

[Johnny Soporno]

Don't assume everyone here is a social moron or they don't have self-satisfaction.

Equal, I never suggested any such thing - What I said was that MY Game and my own self-developed phrases, routines, and materials WON'T WORK FOR ANYONE ELSE unless they are equally-skilled and self-possessed as myself, and to be honest, nobody with THAT much inner-game needs my Game; they have plenty of their own!

Some of the most successful, powerful and satisfied people I know suck with women. They lead really happy lifes otherwise.

I cannot find a single definition of either 'successful' nor 'satisfied' nor 'happy' which could apply (outside of the homoerotic community) to any man who cannot communicate sincerely and effectively with women.

Ohh and this is critical the fucking community started to help guys get laid, guys that were nice and normal in all other ways but they just didnt get laid as much as they wanted to.

You're using the same 'the game has evolved' nonsense.


Nope. I never got into The Community to help guys get laid - I got into it to help guys recognize that women are not the enemy! And to help them realize that if WE WORK TO EMPOWER THEM, to help them become comfortable being themselves and doing the things which they want to do, WE'LL ALL LIVE MUCH BETTER.

The fact that the byproduct of following my teachings is getting yourself laid all over the place is just gravy.

The Game hasn't evolved, the PLAYERS have evolved, and the Playees too; Now is the time for EVERYONE to realize there is no need for games at all!

Check out my videos (in my Sig) for a better understanding.

If guys really have personality issues, they should be seeing professional doctors not pick up gurus - that is just common sense.


Heh. There are a number of us Gurus who are also doctors or psychotherapists. Do you need a referral to a specialist in your own town, Equal?

Johnny Soporno

[relics]

Quite the opposite, I am like the super hot girl that dumps the drink on your head in the middle of a packed bar and tells you that your breath smells, your clothes are an obvious attempt to be cool and that you are not as important as you think you are and THEN she tells you to go fuck yourself.


Read: Ultra Super Bitch Attention Seeking Shield

[Nine-Leaf Clover]

I've never been big on introspection.

Alright, let's see if I can phrase this as simply as possible: "How I developed inner game?" I'm looking at the person I want to be, and that person is "me, but better at picking up chicks." I've pretty much viewed pickup as a skillset that can be learned ever since I got into this (started with my reading of The Game, I'll admit that, haha, I'm a noobtard) because before I had no idea what caused girls to be attracted to guys. I got laid "by accident" and had no idea what I was doing right.

I've never liked relationships very much. I've liked my fuckbuddies a lot better than I've liked a lot of my girlfriends. Emotional intimacy just isn't something I enjoy. But I do liek teh secks, and I do liek teh friendship. So this adds up to wanting to learn a skillset.

I've been of the opinion for a long while now that inner game follows outer game. I see you were talking about self-actualization there; you do know that Maslow placed it above Esteem and Love, right? And you know about the bitch of a paradox of getting one without first having the other, right?

I'm not trying to flame you here at all, but I think you aren't appreciating the training wheels enough. Developing inner game must be rather tricky with no positive social interaction (this includes social interactions that lead to sexings). Positive social interaction is damn-near impossible with no social skills. And social skills are hard as hell to develop with no positive social interaction.

See where I'm going with this?

[Johnny Soporno]

I'm looking at the person I want to be, and that person is "me, but better at picking up chicks."


In that case, keep on doing what you are doing :) When your experiences bolster your self-confidence until it matches your self-esteem, you'll be all set!


I've been of the opinion for a long while now that inner game follows outer game. I see you were talking about self-actualization there; you do know that Maslow placed it above Esteem and Love, right? And you know about the bitch of a paradox of getting one without first having the other, right?


Self-actualization is a byproduct of self-love, justified by your having appropriately matched your self-confidence to your self-esteem, through real-life experiences, and you've become satisfied as to your location on the journey-of-success.

Inner-Game doesn't require outer-game at all, just as outer-game doesn't require inner-game. Each one may be generated as a side-effect of successfully demonstrating the other to yourself.

Outer-game is much less-costly from the outset, in the same way as it's much easier to get a pure note on first-attempt from a piano, than say from a bugle or violin.

Building an effective Outer-Game from a solid Inner-Game is trivial, and can be accomplished in a weekend.

Developing Inner-Game from effective Outer-Game is a MUCH greater challenge, and generally takes years.

One can memorize an entire piece of music, including the technique required to play it on the piano (which keys to press, and which pedals to pedal) without actually learning to PLAY the piano, if you understand the metaphor?

When someone walks past, they could demonstrate their skills by performing the routine they had memorized - and really impress an observer! Presuming that observer's desire to hear something more can be evaded (through false time-constraints, say...) they will comfortably presume that the 'pianist' is fabulously more impressive than he actually is.

Violin or bugle, or other instruments wherein the ability to generate specific notes is intrinsically connected to the ability to generate anything remotely musical, do not lend themselves to duplicitous misrepresentations the way the Piano does. While the learning-curve is steep with these instruments, it is generally much shorter than with the piano - and by the time the musician is able to demonstrate playing a substantial piece, they can generally produce any-number of alternates.

If after demonstrating the piano-trick successfully countless times, the pretender pianist decides he actually wishes to be able to PLAY, he will have virtually returned to his initial starting point, and will need to relearn everything before he will realistically be able to play anything other than the one tune he had memorized. The only persistent take-away from his previous endeavors being that he now knows what it feels like to be appreciated as a musician, and can hopefully use that feeling to motivate himself through the long path ahead to actually being proficient.



I'm not trying to flame you here at all, but I think you aren't appreciating the training wheels enough. Developing inner game must be rather tricky with no positive social interaction (this includes social interactions that lead to sexings). Positive social interaction is damn-near impossible with no social skills. And social skills are hard as hell to develop with no positive social interaction.

I suggest strongly you check out at least the first-part of my Seductive Reasoning intro seminar (links in my Sig) for practical and immediately applicable strategies to build Inner-Game and justified self-love. :)

Very sincerely,

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

[Thrasher]

Johnny- solid initial post. It starts on the inside- so within, so without. I think one might have external success, but without a solid core, it's a house on a shaky foundation. Would you agree that a good teacher hopes that his student will soon not need him?

[Johnny Soporno]

Johnny- solid initial post.

Thanks :)

Would you agree that a good teacher hopes that his student will soon not need him?

Absolutely - that's why a teacher is a professional, like a hairstylist, an escort, a dentist, a lawyer, or an architect...

A professional is a person who does basically the same job for untold numbers of clients who DO NOT NEED his help on a full-time or ongoing basis, but rather in cases where the skills and talents of the professional ensure the results will be preferable to if the client were to have to do the job on their own.

The professional takes pride in the quality of work they do, and their reputation which their clients share amongst the marketplace.

Johnny Soporno
Professional Guru

[Thrasher]

The Seductive Reasoning 101 videos are very compelling. I would have to imagine that the fable The Emperor's New Clothes rang true for you when you first heard it. It's challenging to accurately observe and report on human sexuality, free of religious/societal dogma. I saw you do just that in the videos. I also saw egos at work, with the people asking questions/statements. The questions weren't so much for clarity, but rather to gain status for the questioner by displaying knowledge- a form of peacocking.

I'll be contacting you via pm. Thanks for posting in this forum- I think that you really get that one should use one's gifts to help those who genuinely want help.

[specialK]

Hey Johnny I've been reading your posts for some time and have found them helpful. I also watched your SR101 vids...all 9hrs of them :) and am trying to get all that you are saying. On some level I can tell it makes sense but I am coming from a very different background, innergame and present situation (my situation is not very friendly to being social or building a lifestyle for it). It could take many more years to have the kind of inner game/confidence/self-satisfaction you speak of. I'm wondering how to apply any of those concepts now or if that would be conterproductive.

[Johnny Soporno]

Hey Johnny I've been reading your posts for some time and have found them helpful. I also watched your SR101 vids...all 9hrs of them :) and am trying to get all that you are saying.

It's always great to hear feedback from people who've actually taken the time!


On some level I can tell it makes sense but I am coming from a very different background...
I'm wondering how to apply any of those concepts now or if that would be counterproductive.

Start with the notion that not everyone whom you COULD help is going to be worthwhile - and screen out those people who demonstrate that they ARE NOT. (Ie, people who've abandoned themselves, and show no signs of interest in improving their situations - they are simply sink-holes into which your offering your time & energy is equivalent to wasting it!)

Then begin doing good things for people who do appear worthwhile, in your spare moments, at least... - it will make you feel powerful, accomplished, happy, and good about yourself. THAT IS GOLD!

Once you are feeling good about yourself, it becomes obvious to others, who will OPEN YOU - because there's something utterly compelling about a person who is broadcasting genuine, positive self-satisfaction.

Go back to the first part of the first seminar video, (www.SeductiveReasoning.com (http://www.SeductiveReasoning.com) if you don't still have it locally) and take some notes - it will tend to resonate inside you far better if you actually write things down... Then go DO THE THINGS I describe - they are self-proving, in REAL TIME! :)

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

P.S. for anyone who questions whether I practice what I preach - bear in mind I get NOTHING out of my sharing these videos (which I do FOR FREE!) except the sense of happiness which comes from knowing I'm helping YOU!

[specialK]

Well doing good things for people I get. I have been in a position of tutoring/mentoring others before in areas I have excelled and that is quite rewarding like you say. I totally understand helping in that way. It's not that I know I can expect payback of some kind, it's that I recognize when they are relieved of a problem or excited that they've learned something new, I can relate to when someone's helped me.

[That1Guy]

godlike post man...Learned a lot i knew and forgot about due to people blinding me with stereotypes...i finally know who i really am, and satisfied with myself...I feel as light as a feather Tank YOu Johnny Soporno.

[Saul Goode]

I sent this article to my blackberry, and internalized the principles. I really found that consistently revisiting these concepts almost daily was key to permanent change.

It is amazing how easy even though you can understand these things and be excited about living with these principles, you can "do something you wouldn't do" anyway. In these cases, I didn't just "learn from my mistakes". I already knew it was a mistake and how to fix it the last time I did it! I took the opportunity to "instruct my subconscious mind" with right thinking, and like sowing seeds, I shifted.

Thoughts and "programs" not based on principle and selflessness always lead to some kind of breakdown. When that inevitably happens, I have found it is key to have the right information or frame available to me, to insert.

This is the greatest thing the SR series and has done for me. Having the right information, based on eternally sustainable principles.

Thanks Johnny!

[Johnny Soporno]

I sent this article to my blackberry, and internalized the principles. I really found that consistently revisiting these concepts almost daily was key to permanent change.

I have been recommending to people that, if the concepts suggested harmonize with them internally, they print the OP out and post it on their bathroom mirror, or somewhere else they can read over it consistently. :)

It is amazing how easy, even though you can understand these things and be excited about living with these principles, you can "do something you wouldn't do" anyway. In these cases, I didn't just "learn from my mistakes".

How embarrassing! :rolleyes:

I already knew it was a mistake and how to fix it the last time I did it! I took the opportunity to "instruct my subconscious mind" with right thinking, and like sowing seeds, I shifted.

Fantastic! That's definitely the way to go; let your own subconscious root out the problems AT THE SOURCE, by making certain you truly understand yourself. (Self-directed NLP can be very helpful in this, if you haven't tried it)

Thoughts and "programs" not based on principle, and selflessness always lead to some kind of breakdown. When that inevitably happens, I have found it is key to have the right information or frame available to me, to insert.

This is the greatest thing the SR series and has done for me. Having the right information, based on eternally-sustainable principles.

Thanks Johnny!

Why thank me? You're doing all the work! ;)

Seriously, I'm delighted for you, and for everyone else who's been so positively affected by the Seductive Reasoning models, and this Inner-Game post!

If you'll recall, in the very first segment of my video seminar, I explain that I do good things for worthwhile strangers JUST because it makes me feel good about myself!

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

[Banzai]

great post

[Doctor D]

If you'll recall, in the very first segment of my video seminar, I explain that I do good things for worthwhile strangers JUST because it makes me feel good about myself!

Johnny Soporno
Lifestyle Guru

Law of economics - Everyone does everything they do in their own self interest.

Great post!

[neils17]

very very inspirational....

[RAMM]

Johnny you just picked me up, can I be your primary? :D

seriously, great stuff, there is something about mature PUAs inner game that has nothing to do with what young PUAs to, and is quite amazing and intriguing to me. What I admire most about it is the STRENGHT. Rock-like strenght. Like nothing can move you from your path :)

[bizzyb1]

Everyone should read this.

[-TruTh-]

I have internalized this into my own life. Johnny is one of the good guys... I can honestly say he is somebody "Worthy" of receiving my "Time"

[milk]

I have internalized this into my own life. Johnny is one of the good guys... I can honestly say he is somebody "Worthy" of receiving my "Time"

omg that sounds arrogant :p

anyway great article!

[Mechanical]

Why don’t you shut your pieholes for change Smurk and the other underground punk.. equal or something! If you were this acknowledged and successful in the 1st place then why u r seeking dating advise? Why u are here?

Yes I am having strong reaction but its not nearly as strong as the bitterness of how sad is your silliness and ignorance to judge a person u dont know! not that i idealise anyone but how the hell would you tell if the guy sarges or not from his post that u assume its crafty by u assuming again that he's just a guy who types well?? this sounds, if u show me how u brush ur teeth i will tell u how good u r in bed! get a life dude!

Talk business? Kool,game speaking, i would say yes to every word came out of the man’s mouth and is god damn true dude, I m personally fucking bothered by those lines memorizers who come bust people balls with their boldness and then fail to carry on a small conversation about anything else! And its just so damn pathetic that all what u can do is just walk away from it, more and more, even the public prospective o the game as been damged at some point because of people that are faking value rather than adding value to themselves! and again, not that i do care about the public acceptance but rather it pisses me off when something is beautiful but gets damaged by peoples missuse!


Everyday, I see those guys chatting up girls and then one the 1st day two they get they just don’t know what to do!

Moreover, what the fuck bugs you about it? I mean the forum is god damn full of posts that are just complete waste of effort and hosting space at least this one is meaningful! why? And where is this dude talking underground! Stop it man! Underground! llike what u will go pick up worms under the ground? or This sounds funny rather than anything else! Lol, would u have secret code to identify each others guys? Or maybe a uniform!? Lol, stop this silly creepy stuff u do! tell me what is the craziest thing u've done so far mr. underground? did u go spend two months as a Volunteer doctor in Africa in a remote area? Sky diving? Free running? Wrote a book? What is ur accomplishment in life so far? i would say to you: what is going on for you besides your lines? lines are very common! I bit that a guy describing his experience doing sky diving will be far more attractive than all of the smart come backs that u can memories!
so dont be a hater dude!


i'm listening Johnny, carry on!

[RAMM]

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[azazels_wolf]

Guys, let's drop the hostility here. If you disagree with a post, explain why, and what would be a better mindset or more appropriate approach, rather than insulting each other. The latter accomplishes nothing. Give value, don't take it away.

[RAMM]

Guys, let's drop the hostility here. If you disagree with a post, explain why, and what would be a better mindset or more appropriate approach, rather than insulting each other. The latter accomplishes nothing. Give value, don't take it away.

He actually called Johnny Soporno a keyboard jokey. There ain't much to construct above that..

He probably has only seen him here on the Forum and assumed we were "idealizing him" as he said, based on his posts alone. Johnny is a rather famous character, not in the internet environment, but in real life. Mechanical should check his information before stating such nonsense.

[Sincerelee]

Not to mention he brought up a thread long dead months ago.

[azazels_wolf]

He actually called Johnny Soporno a keyboard jokey. There ain't much to construct above that..

He probably has only seen him here on the Forum and assumed we were "idealizing him" as he said, based on his posts alone. Johnny is a rather famous character, not in the internet environment, but in real life. Mechanical should check his information before stating such nonsense.

Mechanical was responding to the old KJ-related post from Smurk, which happens to have been from 2007. So that whole issue is really just done and over with, and I don't think Mechanical realized.


Not to mention he brought up a thread long dead months ago.

It's a Best of the Forum thread, anyone is welcome to revive the old ones as long as they have something constructive to say. Which is my point here - a bunch of angry posts which criticize or ridicule each other do not add anything of value to this thread. So how about discussing the original ideas presented instead? :p

[Mechanical]

My Apology Guys!

[Sincerelee]

AW, as usual, you are right. I contributed nothing to the thread. So, here goes:
"Inner Game" is a convenient euphemism for having a "Satisfied Sense-of-Self". The more richly developed you are AS A PERSON, the less crafty and manipulative you need to be as a Player, and the less you need to justify that you DESERVE the playboy lifestyle you have chosen.
Johnny, I am not arguing with you, but answering you with my own viewpoint.

Inner game to me is a sense of self-worth that makes many aspects become reality. A valued self-worth is what makes a satified sense of self. It also allows one to have a frae that is unshakable.

But, unlike many here, as a devout Christian, I do not get my self-worth through self-realization. Instead, I know I am valuable because God lives in me. Nothing is greater than God, so by occupation, I am invaluable. The fact He chose to live in me means He saw a value of the potential that He can do with me.

Add to that, the fact is, He adopted me as His child. So, by relation, I am heir to the fullness of God.

Finally, God valued me so much that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to suffer and die on a cross so that He could redeem me. So, God valued me more than His only begotten Son. That boggles my mind to think of the immensity of it.

But, all this means, I should not see myself as anything but invaluable. The paradox is, that though I am unfathomnably valuable to God, I am also unworthy of all this. It wasn't because I merited it. He made me valuable. And, because He made me valuable, nothing I can do will alter that value, and He is unchanging, so my value will never alter from His aspect. My self-worth is solid gold.

Once you wrap your mind around this, everything falls into place: Inner Game isn't something you get taught, it isn't something you study - it's something you must EARN!

The irony is, ONLY YOU can award it to yourself.
For the Christian, it is already there, he only needs to realize it.

This Self-Confidence is like Freedom: You must EARN it - it can't be bought, borrowed, or stolen, nor can it be given away.
(When Freedom is GIVEN to you, that's ACTUALLY abandonment. Think about it!)
More than earning it, because our forefathers fought for it, not just for themselves, but for the future generations, freedom must constantly be protected and continually fought for. We must constantly fight of Liberty against Tyranny. We need to be aware of the subtle craft of tyranny. Most often, it doesn't fight headstrong, but instead fights subversively.

I need to stop or someoen will accuse me of being Mark Levin.:)

By earning your OWN respect, and satisfying yourself that you are becoming more fully-realized with each new experience you have, you begin TRULY to like yourself.

We're all looking to live as playboys, but there is nothing innately positive about the 'worthless playboy' stereotype. Oh, it LOOKS like fun, but it's empty and shallow...

The paradigm I recommend alternatively is "Worthy Playboy" and I elaborate on it further now:

To become a 'Worthy Playboy' you must develop yourself as a Renaissance Man (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Renaissance%20man); you should endeavour to gain a broad-base of knowledge in areas you believe people who'd interest you will be versed. This will help you to remain interesting to them also; as being interesting is INFINITELY more attractive than being 'impressive'.

As a Worthy Playboy, you should be comfortable and confident enough to carry on conversations with women on subjects you have historically known nothing about, by candidly and sincerely encouraging them to share THEIR insights with you.
I do not ask whether I am worthy of something. Instead, I pursue the desires of my heart without a thought as to being worthy or not. It seems more fatalist, in that an outsider might think I accept things as inevitable, no matter what I do.

The reality is, I pursue the desires of my heart, and those things that I achieve, so much the better. Thos things I do not achieve, I accept that it wasn't the achieving that was meant to benefit me, but rather the poursuit and the experience of the pursuit.
NEVER FORGET: Everyone's favourite subject is themselves, and NOTHING makes you more attractive to another person than being INTERESTED in what they have to say. This works for men and women alike - but women are far more impressed when they receive this attention from men (since most men are usually too arrogant to concede they might not know everything... Schmucks.)
Dale Carnegie is proud. This is seriously good advice. To build on this, since I am completely at peace with who I am, it is easy to talk with people about who they are.

I have learned so much from asking people about themselves. I know about dam engineering, guitar making, the political engine of DC, and numerous other subjects, because I met those int hose industries and spent my time getting them to talk about themselves.

A Worthy Playboy is never ashamed of NOT KNOWING, because A) no one can know everything, and B) women will be DELIGHTED that their knowing something you don't isn't intimidating to you - and they will be flattered that you're man-enough to let them teach something to you.
"Know Thyself" said The Oracle, and that was profound advice - FOR SELF-DECEPTION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.

Introspectively interrogate yourself to discover WHO YOU ARE as you develop - to ensure you haven't lost sight of yourself.

color=red]Once you KNOW who you are, you'll know what you'll do. [/color]

IF YOU ONLY DO THE THINGS WHICH MAKE SENSE TO YOU, in which you find yourself BOTH cerebrally and emotionally settled, and where your conscience is unperturbed, YOU'LL BE ACTING WITH 'REASONED CONFIDENCE'.

This is the rational way of leading your life - by following these internal guidlelines, you'll NEVER have reason for regret, and no justification for embarrassment, EVEN if things don't work out immediately! (In such cases, dispassionately step back from the experience, return to the plan to see whether the problem was situational or persistant, and modify as-necessary before trying again.)
Although we approach some things differently, our points here are congruent.

By proceeding ONLY with Reasoned Confidence, the only guilt you need EVER feel is the guilt of letting yourself down; the ONLY embarrassment, the embarrassment of making the same mistakes over again; the ONLY regret, the regret of not having come to this epiphany earlier.

As a Christian, I allowed myself to be controlled by others' restrictions. Not until I realized that much of Christianity's moral code is man-induced and not God mandated, I dealt with teh guilt of doing what others felt was prohibited. I was embarassed by desires that I could not control that were contrary to those man-made rules. And, the regret I now have is that I did not learn earlier how God places a limit, godly men place a further restriction because of their own weaknesses, and those that follow have a desire to be accepted by those men, so they get in line until tradition is unquestioned, and reason is forgotten.

My regret is that it took me 25 years to realize this. A fourth of my life...much of it my young adulthood, where I had the combination of adult status and youthful energy...was wasted in worry over other people's restrictions.

Promise yourself regularily, "I will never do anything I wouldn't do" - and keep that promise faithfully - your internal consistency and congruency depends on it. Your ethical system should NOT have a 'margin release key' - that is the road to conscious hypocrisy (See "Self-Deception" above) and is nothing less than personal treason.

Explore your world - expand your horizons, develop new friendships with people of high integrity and ethics, and remain true to yourself and your word. Your relationships and your reputation are your strongest weapons in the battle against psychological misery and emotional defeat - make certain they are solid, just, and dependable as best you can.
I tell people, identify your moral code. Identify the reason you have that particular rule, and explore the logic and validity of that source. Solidify your code to those things you will never do. So long as you don't violate what you personally identify as a moral restriction, you should not feel guilty about what you do.

If anyone else charges you about violating their moral code, they can go jump in a lake.

As you progess, you will become comfortable that ANY PERSON (man or woman) with whom you interact will feel and be better-off for knowing you [even if it's simply because you proved to them that GOOD MEN still exist, and find THEM interesting] and that they will feel better about themselves because they've spent time with you.

What could be a more-attractive attribute to have?

Most of all, YOU MUST BECOME SELF-ACTUALIZED - in other words, you need to find your comfort with yourself based on your confidently and successfully following your own path, and NOT narcissistically through the approval of others.

Permitting yourself to be held-back from progressing because you fear the disapproval of people you don't admire is MADNESS!

Lead your own life, and conscientiously ensure you make all your descisions with Reasoned Confidence, and when you are met with disapproving or taunting jibes from 'the peanut gallery' just take note of it - then
Tell them to go jump in a lake, and leave you alone.

DO AS YOU WILL, and watch as your detractors become your admirers. There's no arguing with success.

Good luck to you all,

I hope you find value in this.

Johnny Soporno

This is why I admire Johnny.

[RAMM]

"Inner Game" is a convenient euphemism for having a "Satisfied Sense-of-Self".
I feet that this kind of Inner Game is ego centered, thus it is reinforced by one's success, but that's also the downside, it is weakened by one's failures.
When ego is totally disabled there is no need for seelf esteem, for you no longer think about yourself.
In fact, you are not one but two coexisting entities:
1. the real you
2. the ego
so your self esteem is when your ego thinks about your own value and counts your successes and failures.
When you no longer have an ego, you are not 2 anymore, but one, and one cannot even think about itself, unless it is divided into many.
So then, inner game is about dealing with the other forces that come into play inside you that are not really originally you. Once they're taken care of the inner game is perfect in itself, you reconnect with the original you, the one Sincerelee mentions, the one which was created by God, which in itself has the strenght and value and needs not gain that. Until one is identified with his own ego, he's also trapped into the vicious circle of depending on material victories for one's self image. And you never truly are that self image.. so no matter how cool that image is, it is still a limitation you identify with, for the real you has no boundaries and no predetermined form, it changes and adapts to every situation without inner conflict(the's conflict only when there is two or more "people" or entities, one entity can't conflict with itself). Without ego one is neither valuable nor invaluable, one does not hold any opinion of the self, nor does he need too.


But, unlike many here, as a devout Christian, I do not get my self-worth through self-realization. Instead, I know I am valuable because God lives in me. Nothing is greater than God, so by occupation, I am invaluable. The fact He chose to live in me means He saw a value of the potential that He can do with me.
We are not exactly Christians in a way, not because we're atheists, but because we chose a different interpretation of the bible and other ancient books. We believe that some of the knowledge in the bible was lost in translation by people who did not understand the ways of God very well. We also believe that some of the true meanings in the bible were hidden from public at large by symbols, codes and metaphors, and that one has to work for understanding, it isn't given as a gift, it's something one must gain through effort.
I think we value the bible, Jesus, God and The Holy spirit at least as much as you do, we just interpret their lessons in a different way.

Finally, God valued me so much that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to suffer and die on a cross so that He could redeem me. So, God valued me more than His only begotten Son. That boggles my mind to think of the immensity of it.
I think that is a great gift indeed, but at the same time it is a gift one must deserve.. it is given to us but we also have to do a lot to make it of use to our souls.
Lol... gone off topic again.. both of us :P

For the Christian, it is already there, he only needs to realize it.
It is already there, for HUMANS.. we only need to realize that..

More than earning it, because our forefathers fought for it, not just for themselves, but for the future generations, freedom must constantly be protected and continually fought for. We must constantly fight of Liberty against Tyranny. We need to be aware of the subtle craft of tyranny. Most often, it doesn't fight headstrong, but instead fights subversively.
I'll have to disagree with this for a couple of reasons:
1. there ain't much freedom out there, especially in those places where people are so proud of their freedom that they build statues of it...
2. freedom is not something to be found out there, but in ourselves. Once you find it in yourself, nothing out there can take it away from you. An enlightened slave is more free than any tyrant..

The reality is, I pursue the desires of my heart, and those things that I achieve, so much the better. Thos things I do not achieve, I accept that it wasn't the achieving that was meant to benefit me, but rather the poursuit and the experience of the pursuit.
I believe in that too :) Acceptance is the best lesson one can learn.. acceptance instead of denial of what already is.. what cannot be changed, it is only madness to fight the present and past. One becomes lighter, more present, just better.. We had a divergence of language, we speak about the same things except you insist that they belong to the perfect christian, while we think that all great religions are somewhat misinterpretations of one single great anchient wisdom which has partially leaked to this present.
I'm not muslim but I know the bible and the coran have a lot in comon, a lot of characters are in both, Archangels(sometimes the names change), even Jesus is in the Coran if I'm not mistaken. We shouldn't hold such blind opinions less creating unconstructive conflict, shouldn't believe so much in syntax and realize that we're all looking for the same truth just in different forms.
I don't think God would have revealed to the christians alone, letting every of the other 6 billion people rot in hell. He certainly has spoken in different languages to different peoples of the earth in different ages, and they all have at least part of God's truth. This extremism/dogmatic thinking is responsible for thousands of years of war among people who all prayse the same God.


As a Christian, I allowed myself to be controlled by others' restrictions. Not until I realized that much of Christianity's moral code is man-induced and not God mandated, I dealt with teh guilt of doing what others felt was prohibited. I was embarassed by desires that I could not control that were contrary to those man-made rules. And, the regret I now have is that I did not learn earlier how God places a limit, godly men place a further restriction because of their own weaknesses, and those that follow have a desire to be accepted by those men, so they get in line until tradition is unquestioned, and reason is forgotten.
That's what we're all talking about, awesome remark :)


I'd only add that, nomatter what the bible SEEMS to say about this, each and any of us can still get in touch with God. The real God, not the one in a book. God is too big to fit in any piece of paper. With so many different views, the only good way to get to the real knowledge, the true meaning of his teachings, is by direct contact with Him.. and don't worry, he has time for all of us ^_^