Sticking Point - "creepy"

[Vtyle]

I tend to not give up on hooking a girl even if she has a boyfriend. I keep coming across this damn adjective "creepy" and am trying to get past it. I'm fed up as a MFer and need some help from the community. How do you not come across as "creepy"? I do whatever it takes to get my damn way but these girls don't seem to understand. I've heard this from a previous girlfriend too which is what stokes the fire of madness in me. Why the f*ck am I creepy?!

[azazels_wolf]

From the information you're giving here, it sounds like you are pushing TOO hard and expecting TOO much from girls who are already in committed relationships and not comfortable with cheating. You may be demonstrating too much interest when a girl already has made it clear she's not interested. You say the girls don't seem to understand, but you are probably not understanding what the girls are trying to tell YOU. If you are too pushy and disrespecting their boundaries, then you can certainly come across as creepy. If you contact them too much when they are not interested in being contacted, then that comes across as creepy as well. There may also be additional things that you are doing which DLV you or reveal incongruencies, which can add to the "creepy" factor.

If you can give some specific examples regarding when the girls tell you you're creepy, that might help to analyze further why this is happening.

[rAFC]

what has got me better reactions (i do day game only) is false disqualifiers and take aways (=disinterest). a few days ago when i went to the store i saw a cute HG but she seemed already quite interested so maybe it would be different for girls you are describing as taken / not responsive... however while the initial curiosity was there just doing a false disqualifier / take away really helps to cement their comfort levels and also dhv's you all at the same time. she saw me, ran away, then came back asking if i was ok. just looking the other way and turning your BL away from them really helps too, the disinterest doesn't always have to be verbal or as clear cut as a take away. still looking at all the candys i told the HG "have you ever had it when you don't know what candy to choose..." she says "yes sometimes you just want to take the whole shelf". i looked at her with a cocky smile and told her "you can go, it's ok you don't have to help me choose i'm a big boy". she ran off and i thought the set was crash+burn but when i went to the register it looked like she wanted to jump on me. i can ignore a lot of HG behavior as it is token, but this stuff WORKS. in day game particularly i pretty much always put a disqualifier in there in the form of a DHV of willingness to walk (or willingness to let her walk away) because comfort levels are SO important.

[Vtyle]

Ugh I'm so pissed I just accidentally clicked the back button on the last line of my post >.<

Anyways, my current game is still being built from the ground up. I started with a few canned openers, but now I've started dropping hook leads and they work like a charm. My other goal for any set or group is to become the obvious AMOG right off the bat. Put on a fat smile, throw a few hooks, and it's all gravy.

So this is the best I have for direct example because this chick supposedly called me creepy to my best friend and his girl last night. We're talkin a HB7 that was insanely hot in all aspects but has this damn gap between her front 2 teeth that pulls her down the scale significantly. She was the only girl at this party that I had not kinoed all the way to making out. Naturally, she was the target, haha.

So I start working all of the girls at this party. The slutty HB6 makes out with me from time to time (Double Deez). This other HB7, hot blonde stoner chick (HBSC) is still on my hitlist because she has a boyfriend as well but has already submitted to me and made out multiple times. This chick seriously knows how to shotgun some hookah. Anyways her natural boyfriend disqualifier and her pretty/sneaky eyes made her a hell of a catch for me and pumped up my ego big time.

Unfortunately this alternate route for me was closed when another local PUA managed to take the only seat next to her and had a small circle going. We were dealing with each other all night and it was both annoying and fun to learn a few new tactics. But like I said, he stole my alternative target which just left the original HB7 (Gapped Tooth Blonde Bimbo).

Early in the night during a lull in the conversation I dropped the 93% of girls masturbate in the shower opener and got a good hearty laugh out of everyone when the girls didn't know what the 7% sang. GTBB was in the group.

She was aloof all night, I had a few instances where I would sit near or next to her. And she'd be so damn aloof that I did come up with a neg or 2 but it wasn't enough. She kept repeating to everyone that she had a boyfriend in the army blah blah blah. And this other guy was hating on me and saying "It's disrespectful to hit on a girl whose boyfriend is enlisted". Personally, I say bullsh*t. If the girl's boyfriend worked at Mickeedeez it would be just as "disrespectful" but then this idiot wouldn't be crying about it.

So sometimes I'd throw some kino on this girl like high fives and throwing my arm around her shoulders during beer pong or watching a movie but she would pull away so much and call me out on it that I gotta admit on the inside I was even feeling awkward but I couldn't let it show and lose my status.

Long story short I failed n went home. It sucked. And my bro happened to send me a text about her calling me creepy. I got that same crap from my ex girl but that was more of me being needy. I'm starting to think girls just sum up any guy that they don't like hitting on them as creepy because both instances were very dissimilar. The only thing that is similar between the 2 instances is my pushing and not giving up. I believe in the community it would be said that I "pull" too much and don't give enough "push"es.

I come up as a giant green blip on the radar and it usually doesn't matter, but it is messing me up with the girls who feel they are disqualified. I think my next step is to get some quality negs and false disqualifiers to fake them out. The list at this particular website doesn't really thrill me. So, the hunt is on.

I have so much to learn, but it's sweet that I'm reaping the rewards right off the bat.

Thanks for the interest and help guys. And sorry for my brash post; I was still wasted, haha.

Peace.

[LexNutz]

This could do something with your appearance? Do you dress well? Do you have good breath, smell good? A mustache? Do you dress like Mystery, when doing day game?

[RoCKoNoVA]

I would maybe relax a bit more. lean back. .and then do some more :)

creepiness usually just translates to "there's something he is doing thats making me feel uncomfortable"

which is good, cause its something you can change.

I understand what your going through because back in the day I would telegraph my intentions far far too early. No good. Once you've built enough attraction, built some comfort and then bam.

Try some cocky funny lines.

Her: Buy me a drink?
Me: How about you buy me a drink and I'll see if your worth having around

but don't over c/f.

If girls are finding a creepy factor, I would simply just lean back so my interest isn't telegraphed.

[Alacrity]

It's miscalibrated. She declared many times she had a man and people were telling you to knock it off. If she "succumbed" to you after that she'll feel the total slut. Plus other people will see or know. Not good at all. ASD of the highest order here.

We say shit like always escalate and plow and stuff but you gotta take all this stuff in consideration. It's no good to plow if her ASD will shut you down anyway. Best to use your skills on the real problem.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it. I thought it might be appearance at first too, but it seems like it is just one of those nights where you learn a lot about calibration. Hopefully this isn't your core social circle because there might be some neg repercussions there.

[Vtyle]

Not my core circle, thank god.

Appearance wise, I match & am fashionable. I peacock with hats and gold bracelet/watch, hemp jewelry, shiny sunglasses, and whatever seems like it will work. I shower once or twice daily and am clean shaven or 1 day's growth. Also always keep gum on hand. (Hopefully this settles this issue)

What I'm gathering is that the learning experience is to know when I've hit Game Over and move on. I have a hard time accepting it because I believe that if there is something going wrong, then I can fix it. But I have to accept that this is not always the case.

Once again, thanks for the support guys.

[azazels_wolf]

She kept repeating to everyone that she had a boyfriend in the army blah blah blah. And this other guy was hating on me and saying "It's disrespectful to hit on a girl whose boyfriend is enlisted". Personally, I say bullsh*t.


That was your biggest problem. You massively DLVed yourself to her social circle by trying to hook up with a girl whose bf is in the military, while she was making a grand effort (at least apparently) to not cheat on him while he's serving overseas. To try to escalate further with so little value is a worthless endeavor.

[Vtyle]

quick fyi, negative on the overseas part. So I didn't lose quite as many points lol The guy is just still a newb and training and whatnot.

[Rocky101]

I actually had the same problem last night. I was thought off to be kind of creepy and too seductive. I realize everything I did wrong. I had know this girl for about a week and we were texting each other every day nonstop. I thought I had such a good connection with her and she had displayed several IOI's to me. However, during the party what I did wrong was calibrate IOI's with IOD's and all I did was display too much interest. I came off as just wanting to hook up with her instead of wanting her personality and qualities. Basically, if you are too creepy, some reasons why is because you just display too much interest into her even if she doesn't display interest into you. You must always show disinterest. Also, you may want to make her show her values so that you don't appear to just want to hook up with her because of her looks.

[Arctic]

quick fyi, negative on the overseas part. So I didn't lose quite as many points lol The guy is just still a newb and training and whatnot.

Here's a handy rule I use regarding that-taken girls aren't worth it.Even in 'The Game' Style cautions the girls that cheat usually go back to their orginal guys-after they've cheated with you.If a chick's dating someone in the service,and they're still with them I'd say its serious enough not to bust up.I'm Baptist Christian,so maybe you won't understand that from my direct perspective,but its a universal goal of pickup to leave the girl in better shape than you picked her up as-and I can't see that happening gaming taken girls.

[Angel07]

The definition of creepy is wanting something more than she wants it. You were kino escilating this girl and trying to phase shift when all she's doing is giving you IOD's (aloof behavior). So if you were really stuck on getting this girl than you have to run more A2, when she IOD's you havakee to punish her with a takeaway. The main problem I see here is having too many expectations. You have set this up as a failure. Your game is transparent and she can see that you are hitting on her, it's lowering your value, and you feel like you failed because you WANTED this interaction to work. If you had solid inner game you could have easily just put out a good vibe, DHV'd, and had this girl introduce you to her sister who is even better looking, and single. Or just running A2 in her prescense with no kino escalation, and waiting for an IOI to reward her for. She's already made the decision, bro. The failure isn't the blowout or the rejections, the failure is wasting an evening on a set that isn't going to go anywhere because she has already made up her mind.

[Telemachus]

I don't mean to get off subject, but, if her man's in the military, hitting on her is VERY disrespectful. It's not the same as working at McD's because at McD's, you don't carry a rifle. Being prior military, if her man found out, he wouldn't be wrong at all to come back and kick your ass.

Getting back on subject, maybe you should be going for single women and work more on being the flame instead of the moth?

[Rocky101]

Ya I would agree, until you get off the sticking point of being creepy, try to game single women. Then when you practice and become a great pua, try gaming other women who may be in a relationship.

[Sincerelee]

Sarcasm is not your best color.

[Kevin Feng]

I'd have to see or meet you, but I'm guessing it's because maybe you're quiet or don't have that dynamic of facial expressions. My friends niece actually made a really astute observation. She finds the easter bunny to be scary/creepy as opposed to santa clause. Which doesn't really make any sense because santa clause is some fat dude that sneaks down your chimney whereas the easter bunny is a fluffy innocent rabbit. But the Rabbit never talks, never changes facial expressions. And she had me convinced, the easter bunny is a creepy ass motherf*%$er.

Perhaps that could be it?

[dr_webber]

who hits on a woman that is taken?
doing that is disrespectful

plus if you run into a jealous boyfriend he might stab you or someshit