Hannibal
06-17-2007, 08:43 AM
I have a two night field report here. Still not good at opening sets, but getting better. On friday night, I was at a target poor location, so I just concentrated on developing rapport with strangers, the bouncer, etc. When things picked up a little, I walked to the bathroom, and on the way, this guy was playfully giving a 6.5 (still cute) the finger. I turned towards him, and paying no attention to her whatsoever, said "that's right, don't take any shit from her," and high-fived him. Later that evening, there was a band, and I was getting a huge proximity vibe from her (she followed, stood right by me, sideways glances, etc.) unfortunately, it was too damn loud to open on her.
Sat. was very, very target rich (different locale), and a venue with tons of hot young babes (8-10's here). Got opened on once (her boyfriend was WITH her, but I must have been doing something right because I was getting IOI's. I concentrated on cocky-funny. After she left, there were a few more instances but I have something I really need advice on from someone experienced.
It is this . . . at bars, one thing I like to do is sprawl and notice my body language. Bars can get crowded, and people often can't help touching. I noticed that I tended to feel GIRLS more than guys (maybe 80% more often) though (I'm learning to notice the FEEL, so that I don't have to give a girl a sign of interest too soon by looking), and I was surprised how much SKIN I was feeling (good reason to wear short-sleeved shirts). Some of it lasted 10-20 seconds. Then they would get their drinks and return to wherever they were seated. I was busy watching the fights on bigscreen, so it looked like I was actually doing something (I felt this was important) that gave me a reason to ignore them.
Towards the end of the evening, though, there was one very perisistent incident. I sat with my back turned, and felt the press of someone's arm and back as she squeezed next to me (while standing) at the bar, and didn't leave. It was persistent incidental touching, but even still it seemed a-typical. I ignored it. (From my peripheral vision, I could tell it was a HB 8.5-9 ir so). In fact, without even looking at her, I got up and scooted my chair a few inches away from her. From there it became less frequent, but still never went away. When the fights were over and the bar wass closing, I got up and tried an opener to her and her friend - - "why do the bars have to close so damn early." They responded positively, but I just didn't know where to take it from there, and so I gave her my seat (she asked for it) and walked away (just a beginner, one step at a time, eh, plus it was late).
My question is this. Is persistent or even just prolonged (5-20 seconds) incidental touching at a bar an IOI or an invitation to open? Do girls use crowdedness as an excuse to do it to someone they don't know but are attracted to?
Sat. was very, very target rich (different locale), and a venue with tons of hot young babes (8-10's here). Got opened on once (her boyfriend was WITH her, but I must have been doing something right because I was getting IOI's. I concentrated on cocky-funny. After she left, there were a few more instances but I have something I really need advice on from someone experienced.
It is this . . . at bars, one thing I like to do is sprawl and notice my body language. Bars can get crowded, and people often can't help touching. I noticed that I tended to feel GIRLS more than guys (maybe 80% more often) though (I'm learning to notice the FEEL, so that I don't have to give a girl a sign of interest too soon by looking), and I was surprised how much SKIN I was feeling (good reason to wear short-sleeved shirts). Some of it lasted 10-20 seconds. Then they would get their drinks and return to wherever they were seated. I was busy watching the fights on bigscreen, so it looked like I was actually doing something (I felt this was important) that gave me a reason to ignore them.
Towards the end of the evening, though, there was one very perisistent incident. I sat with my back turned, and felt the press of someone's arm and back as she squeezed next to me (while standing) at the bar, and didn't leave. It was persistent incidental touching, but even still it seemed a-typical. I ignored it. (From my peripheral vision, I could tell it was a HB 8.5-9 ir so). In fact, without even looking at her, I got up and scooted my chair a few inches away from her. From there it became less frequent, but still never went away. When the fights were over and the bar wass closing, I got up and tried an opener to her and her friend - - "why do the bars have to close so damn early." They responded positively, but I just didn't know where to take it from there, and so I gave her my seat (she asked for it) and walked away (just a beginner, one step at a time, eh, plus it was late).
My question is this. Is persistent or even just prolonged (5-20 seconds) incidental touching at a bar an IOI or an invitation to open? Do girls use crowdedness as an excuse to do it to someone they don't know but are attracted to?