LMR is always the same?

[RedpoleQ]

Recently I've been concentrating more on completing my sarges.

Most seduction material is heavily concentrated in Attraction material, specifically A2, so I've been trying to work on A3, Comfort game(C2 & C3) and Seduction.

At this point my biggest problem is handling logistics, ASD, and contingencies(for example the 2-set I was gaming where I had venue changed the set, fully qualified the target, while dis-qualifying the obstacle(with the obstacle's help) but was not able to get the full-isolation on the target for the f-close)

But what I've noticed recently is that LMR is pretty much the same for 6s as for 8s(haven't closed anything above an 8).

It seems that only attraction game needs to be calibrated for the targets value.

Am I missing something or is this everyone's experience?

[Odyssey]

interesting...

well in the end if you look at evolution, it doens't matter how gorgeous a women is.

sex = long term commitment in educating kids

No beauty involved in this equation.

So it's kinda logical most girls react the same when it comes to LMR

On the other hand I would still calibrate comfort game since a 10 would probably interpret "why don't you come along to watch some of my cool home movies" totally different from a 6. Since she is USED to all such ways to get her at your home...

OD

[Affection]

I think it's probably fair to say that the amount of LMR you get is less dependent on the girl's attractiveness and more dependent on your pickup style. For some reason, girls don't usually give me LMR... almost never. Even when I was first starting, if I got the girl home with me, she's fucked me without any significant token resistance. Some guys get it all the time, but it doesn't really matter if you get it or not, so long as you can deal with it.

The two best ways of dealing with it that I've taught and seen success with are:

Agree with the objection but proceed forward.
HB8I'mNotASlut: "We shouldn't be doing this."
Affection: "You're right, we should totally stop. *continues licking/sucking/biting*"


Classic Mystery LMR technique (freeze out)
I don't think it's fair to say that calibration only applies to attraction, but more importantly, calibration isn't done only in relation to a girl's value. There are hot girls out there that will be nice to you, and not so hot ones that will be bitchy. Calibration is only based on value before you talk to the girl. Once you've opened, calibration is done based on her level of compliance.

Later,

~~Affection

[Yoda]

In evolution though, wouldn't beautiful women have an increased chance at replicating, since there would always be men "chasing" her?

[AJNY]

Your missing something. You don't need to fully isolate the target
for the f-close.

You can bring a two set home with you and bring the target
to your bedroom and put the obstacle into the living room
with the TV / DVD player.

I know, it's awkward, but try it. It has been known to work
once in awhile.
AJ

Recently I've been concentrating more on completing my sarges.

At this point my biggest problem is handling logistics, ASD, and contingencies(for example the 2-set I was gaming where I had venue changed the set, fully qualified the target, while dis-qualifying the obstacle(with the obstacle's help) but was not able to get the full-isolation on the target for the f-close)

Am I missing something or is this everyone's experience?

[BonJovi]

I don't think it's fair to say that calibration only applies to attraction, but more importantly, calibration isn't done only in relation to a girl's value. There are hot girls out there that will be nice to you, and not so hot ones that will be bitchy. Calibration is only based on value before you talk to the girl. Once you've opened, calibration is done based on her level of compliance.

Later,

~~Affection

Well put. Just run solid game and calibrate for the individual. If when you get a shit test you find yourself saying "she's only a 6" and ejecting, thats bad game. If you think "she's a 10, I could never get a SNL" you wont. I'd imagine stripper game on a HB6 and a HB10 is pretty much the same. If you game a HB10 and she's a computer programmer, well then you need to calibrate for that too.

You've noticed that the ingredients you need to overcome LMR is the same regardless of the womens rating. I think the same goes for most of the sarge. The only difference is your level of commitment to the sarge. But it should not be. You should commit equally to HB6's and HB10's otherwise they will be able to pick up that you value them differently.

[Superfreak]

Ok just something I tend to do as a rule in most cases is any time I venue change or isolate I take a step back in my game relitive to the time difference. I think Mystery calls this a time bridge. Basically I will layout my progression as I do not use the xyabcz thing that mystery does but I am sure you guys that do can relate it to his VA model.

Pre game - Stuff you do prior to gaming showering, geting dressed, inner game related stuff etc....
Find/open - explains itself
Attract - build attration through C&F, DHV, Active disinterest, kino,ect....
Comfort- build surface repport establish a emotion connection, increasing kino
Amplify - Amplify and build on comfort to deepen the emotional connection, futher esculate kino
seduction - or could be called sexuality - Esculate kino to a sensual level, tease, kiss, message, basically anything that builds sexual tention ect...
Close Fclose,Kiss close, #close, etc...

Now you do not always have to go through every level unless you are F closing.

Now what I mean by stepping back when you time bridge is that you step your game back a level in order to restablish the connection and then build from that point.

For example I get her to isolate, I would briefly revisit the last compleated phase in order to re establish the emotional connection since all we did is take a quick walk away from her friends this is a very small briefy step back to the last phase.

Now say I get her to leave and go to my place. I would then take a larger step back into the last completed phase or possibly the phase before that depending on the time that has lapsed. So that I can reconnect and build the connect.

If I # close then usually I would have to step back futher to the attraction or comfort phase to re establish the connection and continue to build.

So the longer the time bridge the larger the step back becomes.

Not sure if that is making sence fully but anytime that progression is delayed or haulted you have to step back the phase and shift into a lower gear to re establish your connection and them build it back up. If you think of it in those terms I think you will find you encounter LMR less or that when you do encounter LMR it will be less difficult to over come.

[Odyssey]

Your missing something. You don't need to fully isolate the target
for the f-close.

You can bring a two set home with you and bring the target
to your bedroom and put the obstacle into the living room
with the TV / DVD player.

I know, it's awkward, but try it. It has been known to work
once in awhile.
AJ
LOL, why would you leave her pussy unoccupied ? :D

try the dual induction massage to get a threesome :p

[sting]

I think it's probably fair to say that the amount of LMR you get is less dependent on the girl's attractiveness and more dependent on your pickup style.

Absolutely. completely agree with this.
Comfort escalation, both kino and conversation, are key. don't hesitate to challenge and re-qualify or disqualify here - as long as its done in that "we're comfortable escalating together" frame, its fine. and oftentimes helpful.


LMR coping tactics can overcome most resistance, but its a good idea to work on the earlier parts of the sarge so that you don't get it in IN THE FIRST PLACE.


hope thats useful,
Sting

[Affection]

What if I want to game the tooth fairy? ;)


If you game a HB10 and she's a computer programmer, well then you need to calibrate for that too.


~~Affection

[BonJovi]

What if I want to game the tooth fairy? ;)





~~Affection

Try opening with:

A1: "So do you always pay guys to spend time with them? Or are you going to tell me I'm special? ;-)"
A2: "I probably send you a lot of business, my little sister is snow white and I'm always having to knock the teeth out of those little dwarfs trying to get frisky with her. That's just me though, I take care of those I love."
A3: "You can fly? Wow, that's so amazing. You know, I love to travel and its so hard to find women who really enjoy just taking to the skies, you must really be the adventurous type? And that's what I like about you."

Just calibrate. She isn't that good in bed anyway. A little too short for my taste.