PUAs don't have Tattoos.

[JohnnyWolf]

Looking around a nightclub, I am able to spot the PUAs instantly.
Back in Hollywood, the PUAs and the Naturals would be dressed the same, with the same accessories, and piercings even…but I could always tell who was a wannabe, and who was actually a rocker dude, or a musician. Pick Up Artists will put on the costume to look like a sexy stereotype, but will never fully dedicate themselves into it.

I understand that because of your job, you can’t get a mohawk and and dye your hair red. I realize that getting a piercing such as a lip ring or an eyebrow ring will cause your parents and friends to freak out. So instead, the easy alternative is to get a Faux-Hawk so you can comb it down into a professional style at work, and get a clip on piercing or just put on cool bracelets, rings, and clothes when you go out. That sounds logical right? You get the best of both worlds, you can be smart, and conservative when most of the time, and cool, fashionable, and edgy when you’re out sarging.

But the sad truth is, PUAs that dress cool are just fakes and wannabes, and girls can tell. If you do enough flash game (fun, high energy, buying tempature spiking) or if a girl is drunk, she might not catch on right away and you’ll get a phone number, maybe even a makeout…and if you’re really good, a one night stand. But if you actually want to be attractive, sexual, and be able to get women without tricks or gimmicks, you need to actually become a cool, attractive man.

The choice really is yours, the guys that are truly badass, cool, and get laid like rockstars…or actually are rockstars, don’t live conservative logical lives. They have wild, crazy lifestyles, random jobs that don’t require them to look a certain way, and they actually are THAT GUY. This is why pick up artists don’t get tattoos, because they are logical, care about their careers, and know that tattoos are something permanent that they may not want to dedicate themselves for life with. But that’s just the thing, being THAT GUY requires you to throw caution to the wind, ignore all logic, and say fuck it, I’m deciding myself 110% and not giving a shit about what others think, that’s the guy that gets laid because he actually is a rockstar.

[azazels_wolf]

But the sad truth is, PUAs that dress cool are just fakes and wannabes


I don't see why dressing cool and being "THAT [Cool/Badass] GUY" are mutually exclusive... they're not, but that's how seemingly you present it here.



They have wild, crazy lifestyles, random jobs that don’t require them to look a certain way, and they actually are THAT GUY. This is why pick up artists don’t get tattoos, because they are logical, care about their careers, and know that tattoos are something permanent that they may not want to dedicate themselves for life with. But that’s just the thing, being THAT GUY requires you to throw caution to the wind, ignore all logic, and say fuck it, I’m deciding myself 110% and not giving a shit about what others think, that’s the guy that gets laid because he actually is a rockstar.


Not if you're a professional doing something you enjoy. There's no reason to dump a good and fulfilling career and its financial gain just to be a "badass" or a "rockstar". Not everyone wants random jobs - what if they have their own company for example? Should they just dump it or mismanage it in order to pursue a "crazy lifestyle" if what they were doing was a positive influence in their life? I don't think that would be wise in many circumstances.

[DaveyFresh"]

I have a tattoo... I choose to break my boundaries... and I have no regrets... doesn't really concern me to have it... its my choice :) -- Truth

[CrazyWilly]

I see your point...while plenty of women want to fuck a rockstar, I'm not one and I realize it. I'll never be a rockstar. Instead I run my game as being smart, sarcastic and funny. Its a frame that works for me. I don't peacock to look like a rockstar either, thus I'm congruent.

My frame isn't for everyone and a tattoo wouldn't improve my frame. But if a guy is going for a rockstar vibe, then he'll be incongruent without the tattoos.

[Sincerelee]

I don't get piercings nor tattoos because I am comfortable with who am. Plus, my body is formed by influences from God and me. I am not letting the imperfect hands of a flawed human being alter what God and I have created.

Now, I agree with the faux-hawk. If you are gonna rock it, don't mock it.

last year, I wore a Number 2, 3 inch wide butch mohawk, working as a databse programmer for the federal government.

When I went for my new job, I shaved it off. Now, for three weeks, I let it grow out, then shave it into a mohawk on Friday before going out, and shave it off on Sunday for work, to grow back for three weeks.

The times I rock the hawk, I get women excited by telling them it's good luck to rub it. One woman said, "I don't feel lucky after rubbing it."

I replied, "You didn't rub it in the right place."(sly smile)

Instead of going bald, I am trying different ways I can keep the mohawk, by doing a high and tight, and other things.

But, like he said, if you want to present the rockstar attitude, you need to develop the rockstar attitude. Otherwise you just present a tryhard attitude.

[RoyaltyInExile]

I see your point...while plenty of women want to fuck a rockstar, I'm not one and I realize it. I'll never be a rockstar. Instead I run my game as being smart, sarcastic and funny. Its a frame that works for me. I don't peacock to look like a rockstar either, thus I'm congruent.

My frame isn't for everyone and a tattoo wouldn't improve my frame. But if a guy is going for a rockstar vibe, then he'll be incongruent without the tattoos.

No, a guy who is going for a rockstar vibe is incongruent if he can't sing or play a musical instrument.

Tattoos are a fad. I don't remember the guys in Led Zeppelin having tattoos. I'm almost positive their vocalist, Robert Plant, didn't have any. Some of the best guitarists in the D.C. music scene don't have tattoos. The guys in Metallica aren't covered in tattoos are they? I know they didn't used to be. I've never seen the point in paying to get stabbed with ink. Think of the really legendary metal bands and you'll find plenty of the guys in those bands didn't have tattoos.

It does take a lot of time and work to have long hair. If you've never had long hair before just ask a girl you know who has long hair if it takes more time to wash it, dry it, and style it than short hair. So having long hair as a rock musician does show a certain commitment to the aesthetics of being a rock star than having short hair does. Being a musician though, I can say that we don't think of growing our hair long or wearing rock 'n roll looking clothes to be peacocking; it's something we do because we like to look that way - not because we're making a decision to stand out for one night when we go out to a nightclub. Besides, you can get a tattoo in one day but you can't grow your hair half way down your back in a day. A tattoo doesn't require any maintenance one you've got it either.

When you get right down to it, the things that separate the posers from the real thing is the ability to play your instrument or sing and the ability to write good songs. All the rest is just image - it doesn't necessarily mean anything. In fact a lot of times, it's the bands who really go over the top with image that are the ones who can't play their instruments well or write good songs. They're trying to compensate for a lack of talent with an especially outrageous image in that case.

BTW, Jimmy Page from Zeppelin painted his fingernails black back in the 70's. He's the first guy I ever heard of doing that.

[acharmingkiddo]

you can get a tattoo anywhere you want other than a place where it would show in business attire and get any job you want

have seen some pretty amazing PUAs with lots of tattoos who don't do shit other than pick up women

[DaveyFresh"]

Okay... a tattoo is allowed anywhere if you cover it up... me I choose to have artwork of my picking done on my body.

I wasn't paying for some random guy to stab me with ink... I was paying for a artist to paint a portrait of my choice on my body so I would never forget I was no longer afraid to live life.

When girls ask me why I got it... I have a story... I have a tale to tell about my tattoo and if I had enough money I would have more.

God loves me because I am living and accepting that he was great in giving me the gift of life... are bodys are just a vessel for the soul.. we can make them stronger.. we can work on them... but in the end they will age and decay the same..

God is always with us even if we make mistakes... but if we try to improve the world.. even with tattoos what difference does it make if we have one or not... its a personal choice... I believe they are art.. many tribes got them for a sign of religion... many for war... theres allot of reasons. -- Truth

[iammanh]

The truth is this is a seduction forum and even though i'm fairly spiritual, lay off on the god's comment. Even I feel more than a little annoy, imagine people who arent christian and athiest.

[acharmingkiddo]

The truth is this is a seduction forum and even though i'm fairly spiritual, lay off on the god's comment. Even I feel more than a little annoy, imagine people who arent christian and athiest.

what he said

[Sincerelee]

Whoa! I make one comment and you have a cow! Wait, cows are holy yo Hindus so i can't mention them either.

Chill out.

If you need me to rewrite it. Fine.

I am my own artist on my canvas of myself. I am not letting any person with a tat gun touch what I have meticulously worked on building. I'm not done building it. Should I ever decide to get a tattoo, it will be a life-sized tattoo of myself all over my body.

[DaveyFresh"]

The truth is this is a seduction forum and even though i'm fairly spiritual, lay off on the god's comment. Even I feel more than a little annoy, imagine people who arent christian and athiest.

If you are Christian, Athiest, Pegan, Or Morman it makes little difference to me... This is a Forum for building lifestyles and seduction is a fraction of what is here.

If I wish to make God comments I am free to do so...God is different to everyone... he is many things.. I respect anyones beliefs.. you will need to respect mine... and even if your annoyed.. learn to become open. -- Truth

[DaveyFresh"]

Whoa! I make one comment and you have a cow! Wait, cows are holy yo Hindus so i can't mention them either.

Chill out.

If you need me to rewrite it. Fine.

I am my own artist on my canvas of myself. I am not letting any person with a tat gun touch what I have meticulously worked on building. I'm not done building it. Should I ever decide to get a tattoo, it will be a life-sized tattoo of myself all over my body.

It is your choice... don't feel sorry about living and not having a tattoo... its just different for people.. I am appalled there are so many intolerant people here. -- Truth

[acharmingkiddo]

It is your choice... don't feel sorry about living and not having a tattoo... its just different for people.. I am appalled there are so many intolerant people here. -- Truth

yes there are - and I thought this posters idea of "real PUAs not having tattoos" was stupid. Especially coming from some guy that claims to have a fucked a girl right next to her mom which was obviously BS. That being said as an athiest it's always annoying when people bring up Jesus for no apparent reason. because regardless of what it meant to you, it still comes off as preaching

If I went on a rant about my strong belief that religion is a crutch for people who are too weak to stand on their own merit that would probably offend you wouldn't it?

[Sincerelee]

don't feel sorry about living and not having a tattoo...

I don't. I learned a while back. Life is too short to do things you regret. Do things you want, say things you want, and only apologize for your own failures. Never apologize that someone was offended by your actions.

If you do anything or do nothing, someone is offended. You can only be yourself and let them suffer.

[DaveyFresh"]

yes there are - and I thought this posters idea of "real PUAs not having tattoos" was stupid. Especially coming from some guy that claims to have a fucked a girl right next to her mom. That being said as an athiest it's always annoying when people bring up Jesus for no apparent reason. because regardless of what it meant to you, it still comes off as preaching

Johnny is a good PUA I don't think he meant to offend anyone with this thread... just everyone has different views... and its up to us to learn to be free and happy.

Jesus eh not much to say... I believe in God as reffering to my Emotional strength.. -- Truth

[DaveyFresh"]

I don't. I learned a while back. Life is too short to do things you regret. Do things you want, say things you want, and only apologize for your own failures. Never apologize that someone was offended by your actions.

If you do anything or do nothing, someone is offended. You can only be yourself and let them suffer.

Good... I am happy to hear this... I feel so happy today for no reason lol.
I will never regret my tattoo... I wanted to get one... everyday I smile when I see it... sign of change ^^ -- Truth

[Sincerelee]

If I went on a rant about my strong belief that religion is a crutch for people who are too weak to stand on their own merit that would probably offend you wouldn't it?

Not at all. I am confident in my Christianity that you could not shake it, nor offend me in any way. You could try, but you would get frustrated, because you would debate me about your preconceived notion of Christianity, not my understanding of it.

But, if you want to do that, post a thread, and see the firestorm it kicks up. Better would be, if so inclined, would be to PM me.

As to my mention of God, Jesus, or any other spiritual reference, it is as much of my life as breathing, so indulge me for sharing my life...or, ignore me. Let's just not turn a thread about tats into a thread about religion, pro or non.

[Randel Flagg]

I dont agree with JW at all. I experiment with everything. I am a biker and I dress like a biker. Howver there are times when I dress nice. there are other times when i wear a real cowboy hat out. Its whats inside of you that counts. If your core is soild, one can wear what ever they want. It has to do with confidence. I think that we sometimes depend to much on how we look. Goback to the methodology of the game. Unlike other mamaels that war their colors on the outside of their body, we, as humans wear ours though our intelligence.

Basic principals. I think sometimes these flashy gurus stray to far from the principlas that make this stuff work.

Try everything until you get it right. Not everyone is the same. Just because alot of these guys are heavy hitters in the community doesnt mean their material is one size fits all.

[DaveyFresh"]

I dont agree with JW at all. I experiment with everything. I am a biker and I dress like a biker. Howver there are times when I dress nice. there are other times when i wear a real cowboy hat out. Its whats inside of you that counts. If your core is soild, one can wear what ever they want. It has to do with confidence. I think that we sometimes depend to much on how we look. Goback to the methodology of the game. Unlike other mamaels that war their colors on the outside of their body, we, as humans wear ours though our intelligence.

Basic principals. I think sometimes these flashy gurus stray to far from the principlas that make this stuff work.

Its always about the attitude and core belief ^^ -- Truth

[The Wild One]

Looking around a nightclub, I am able to spot the PUAs instantly.
Back in Hollywood, the PUAs and the Naturals would be dressed the same, with the same accessories, and piercings even…but I could always tell who was a wannabe, and who was actually a rocker dude, or a musician. Pick Up Artists will put on the costume to look like a sexy stereotype, but will never fully dedicate themselves into it.

I understand that because of your job, you can’t get a mohawk and and dye your hair red. I realize that getting a piercing such as a lip ring or an eyebrow ring will cause your parents and friends to freak out. So instead, the easy alternative is to get a Faux-Hawk so you can comb it down into a professional style at work, and get a clip on piercing or just put on cool bracelets, rings, and clothes when you go out. That sounds logical right? You get the best of both worlds, you can be smart, and conservative when most of the time, and cool, fashionable, and edgy when you’re out sarging.

But the sad truth is, PUAs that dress cool are just fakes and wannabes, and girls can tell. If you do enough flash game (fun, high energy, buying tempature spiking) or if a girl is drunk, she might not catch on right away and you’ll get a phone number, maybe even a makeout…and if you’re really good, a one night stand. But if you actually want to be attractive, sexual, and be able to get women without tricks or gimmicks, you need to actually become a cool, attractive man.

The choice really is yours, the guys that are truly badass, cool, and get laid like rockstars…or actually are rockstars, don’t live conservative logical lives. They have wild, crazy lifestyles, random jobs that don’t require them to look a certain way, and they actually are THAT GUY. This is why pick up artists don’t get tattoos, because they are logical, care about their careers, and know that tattoos are something permanent that they may not want to dedicate themselves for life with. But that’s just the thing, being THAT GUY requires you to throw caution to the wind, ignore all logic, and say fuck it, I’m deciding myself 110% and not giving a shit about what others think, that’s the guy that gets laid because he actually is a rockstar.

You don't need a tattoo to be a bad ass.

[acharmingkiddo]

You don't need a tattoo to be a bad ass.

No you don't, but just because you have a tattoo doesn't mean you can't be a PUA

[Sincerelee]

You don't need a tattoo to be a bad ass.

You just need to be Sincere...lee:p

[DaveyFresh"]

You don't need a tattoo to be a bad ass.

exactly correct... its just a choice. :) -- Truth

[acharmingkiddo]

As to my mention of God, Jesus, or any other spiritual reference, it is as much of my life as breathing, so indulge me for sharing my life...or, ignore me. Let's just not turn a thread about tats into a thread about religion, pro or non.

sounds like a good idea - and that was my point. Not to bring up God for no reason in an unrelated forum.

[DaveyFresh"]

sounds like a good idea - and that was my point. Not to bring up God for no reason in an unrelated forum.

But why is he not allowed to refer to God?. If this thread relates to the body then he is perfectly within reason to refer to God... old saying "The body is a Temple"

-- Truth

[Sincerelee]

But, I brought up God because I am letting him be the artist of my body, not a tattooist. God was part of the equation in my response.

I could understand your issue if someone brought up the verse:
Leviticus 19:28 (New International Version)

28 " 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.


But no one did.

[acharmingkiddo]

But, I brought up God because I am letting him be the artist of my body, not a tattooist. God was part of the equation in my response.

I could understand your issue if someone brought up the verse:


But no one did.

now we are having a conversation about god in an unrelated post

weeeee!

[DaveyFresh"]

But, I brought up God because I am letting him be the artist of my body, not a tattooist. God was part of the equation in my response.

I could understand your issue if someone brought up the verse:


But no one did.

Still that book was written from a Man... the truth of it all could be generations of altered storys and views.

This thread was about tattoos and he brought it as he wouldn't get one for his beliefs... this is reasonable lets not complicate this. -- truth

[Sincerelee]

Exactly, Truth. My reason was not based on the verse. it was solely based on my view. And, even if that verse was not in the Bible, i still would not get a tat. I like my body as is. A tat would just keep women from admiring it to the fullest.

[RoyaltyInExile]

I don't mind anyone bringing up religion wherever they want to. If somebody wants to mention God how is that going to hurt anyone?

I'm not sure, but I believe that The Venusian Arts are based on a belief that there is no God and we were not created by Him but instead evolved from apes. I heard Mystery talking about women scratching their wrists as an IOI and he said it is a behavior that is still with us from the time when we were apes. He said that the female apes would scratch themselves to attract males by indicating they needed grooming. Then again, there's a lot of things Mystery says I don't believe.

[Sincerelee]

I am an avid reader of physics text books and other sciences. Just because sicentists make assumptions that are wrong, it does not mean their observations are wrong.

Men thought the world was flat because it looked flat to them. They were wrong about it being flat, but the observation was right.

Mystery may think it is because of evolution. I just accept that women scratch their wrists when they are attracted, whatever underlying the cause.

[L.A. Tripp]

kiddo, chill out dude. You want to berate something for mentioning God . . . but I've seen more than one person on here mention they DON'T believe in God. Did you lash out at them about that? No, so you have no room to squash the mentioning OF God either. It's a personal belief, just as atheism is. Period. Just as Truth and Sincerelee have pointed out, it's a belief. They will respect yours, you respect theirs.

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think JW literally meant you have to have tattoos in order to commit yourself to your image you are projecting. I could be wrong, but I think he's using that as symbolism.

In other words, you be TRUE to who you are, not a poser.

[iammanh]

Man, what's next, that we start discussing about how god doesnt want us to use condom or birth control? How casual sex is evil? Sorry, but most of us on this SEDUCTION forum do not sympathise with that kind of behavior. We're here to become good seducers and fuck lots of hot chicks.

[DaveyFresh"]

Man, what's next, that we start discussing about how god doesnt want us to use condom or birth control? How casual sex is evil? Sorry, but most of us on this SEDUCTION forum do not sympathise with that kind of behavior. We're here to become good seducers and fuck lots of hot chicks.

You truly have a warped vision... just because me and sinceer believe in a different view of God doesn't mean we believe sex is some great evil.

Your speaking for many with this statement and I think they would agree that you have no right to speak for them... and that you truly have not become a open minded person yet. -- Truth

[L.A. Tripp]

Truth, kinda funny, isn't it how they can talk about their views, but you better not talk about yours?

iam . . . did we say anything about that kind of viewpoint in this thread? No. You guys wouldn't want us with different views to take your words out of context. You should give us the same respect.

OBVIOUSLY we are on the same forum you are, for the same reason . . . SEDUCTION.

Let's chill at that point. That's what we have in common. That's what this forum is about. Roll with it.

I guess because someone believes in God, or in a god, that we are not supposed to want to seduce girls? Come on . . .

[DaveyFresh"]

Truth, kinda funny, isn't it how they can talk about their views, but you better not talk about yours?

iam . . . did we say anything about that kind of viewpoint in this thread? No. You guys wouldn't want us with different views to take your words out of context. You should give us the same respect.

OBVIOUSLY we are on the same forum you are, for the same reason . . . SEDUCTION.

Let's chill at that point. That's what we have in common. That's what this forum is about. Roll with it.

I guess because someone believes in God, or in a god, that we are not supposed to want to seduce girls? Come on . . .

I wouldn't be here if i wasn't learning seduction... people should learn how to respect others... because if they don't how will the world ever get along. -- Truth

[iammanh]

It's fine you have your own viewpoint, but you should keep it to yourself and keep the topic in the right context. Hell, I"m a vegetarian myself and how would you guys like it if i post up bullshits like "you all evil meat eater, filthy carnovoles and you all should be eating vegetable"?

Hell, I read the entire bible myself and i prob know more christianity than most christian themselves but i'm sick and tired of hearing "god wants this and god wants that". I dont care to hear about that. All I care to hear is, "how should we improve ourselves to the best of our ability to get the best social skill and seduce hot girls". Anything other than that is outside of the context of this forum.

No religion, politics, video games, dungeon and dragon etc ;)

[DaveyFresh"]

It's fine you have your own viewpoint, but you should keep it to yourself and keep the topic in the right context. Hell, I"m a vegetarian myself and how would you guys like it if i post up bullshits like "you all evil meat eater, filthy carnovoles and you all should be eating vegetable"?

Hell, I read the entire bible myself and i prob know more christianity than most christian themselves but i'm sick and tired of hearing "god wants this and god wants that". I dont care to hear about that. All I care to hear is, "how should we improve ourselves to the best of our ability to get the best social skill and seduce hot girls". Anything other than that is outside of the context of this forum.

No religion, politics, video games, dungeon and dragon etc ;)

Dude leave if you don't like it. --Truth

[iammanh]

Dude leave if you don't like it. --Truth

You're a joke. Why should i leave the forum simply because of a minor single hardcore christian members who cant keep their faith to themselves?

Sorry to break it to you but i am here for members who practice MM and mystery...not you.

[acesulfamek]

A tat would just keep women from admiring it to the fullest.

LOL. I love that line. I'm going to steal it, because I do get the tatoo question sometimes. I actually HATE tatoos with a passion, one of the few things in life I actually hate, but since so many people like them it makes no sense to have that attitude and ruin their day. That line is perfect. It sums up why I hate tats, while being positive at the same time.

[L.A. Tripp]

LOL, good way to set the frame on that aces.

iam . . . CHILL DUDE. Seriously. Man, if guys are allowed to talk about atheism on this forum (and they are allowed and freely do so), then you seriiously have no right to bitch about someone talking about their god. Geez boy.

You know, none of us that have mentioned some type of god have been disrespectful, but YOU are being disrespectful.

We are not bashing you over the head with any of our beliefs are we? No, thought so, so QUIT acting like we are. Damn.

[iammanh]

Actually, no one really talks about athiesm on this forum either. Stop making excuses for the extremish preaching of christianity. Like i said earlier, since this is a seduction forum, we should keep it on topic. The last thing any of us want is to bring god into this because frankly, there are so many anti seduction social conditioning bs that comes from the cathlotism religion.

[DaveyFresh"]

Actually, no one really talks about athiesm on this forum either. Stop making excuses for the extremish preaching of christianity. Like i said earlier, since this is a seduction forum, we should keep it on topic. The last thing any of us want is to bring god into this because frankly, there are so many anti seduction social conditioning bs that comes from the cathlotism religion.

Learn before you speak... I am not Catholic or Christian in any way shape or form... but I believe in God on a different level... you are extremely disrespectful and you are throwing this forum off more then anyone right now. -- Truth

[DaveyFresh"]

You're a joke. Why should i leave the forum simply because of a minor single hardcore christian members who cant keep their faith to themselves?

Sorry to break it to you but i am here for members who practice MM and mystery...not you.

I am not even Christian... wow -- Truth

[Sincerelee]

iam, dn't put words in my mouth. JW said you gotta get tats and I said why I won't. I never said, "And you shouldn't either."

[DaveyFresh"]

iam, dn't put words in my mouth. JW said you gotta get tats and I said why I won't. I never said, "And you shouldn't either."

Sincere he has no idea what hes spouting about and his intolerance is his weakness. -- Truth

[L.A. Tripp]

Actually, no one really talks about athiesm on this forum either. Stop making excuses for the extremish preaching of christianity. Like i said earlier, since this is a seduction forum, we should keep it on topic. The last thing any of us want is to bring god into this because frankly, there are so many anti seduction social conditioning bs that comes from the cathlotism religion.

Actually, yes guys DO talk on this forum about atheism. In fact, there was a thread that Prophet spoke up on because Wild One and another member were talking about atheism and were very disrespectful of non-atheists, as you are being at this moment.

And again, we are not making excuses about extremism preaching of Christianity . . . because no one here is preaching it! We are NOT shoving it down your throat brother, you keep saying we are.

Now . . . hopefully for the last time . . . TAKE A CHILL PILL DUDE.

[DaveyFresh"]

Actually, yes guys DO talk on this forum about atheism. In fact, there was a thread that Prophet spoke up on because Wild One and another member were talking about atheism and were very disrespectful of non-atheists, as you are being at this moment.

And again, we are not making excuses about extremism preaching of Christianity . . . because no one here is preaching it! We are NOT shoving it down your throat brother, you keep saying we are.

Now . . . hopefully for the last time . . . TAKE A CHILL PILL DUDE.

L.A he is lost... he labels us all Christian or catholic... which is ridiculous because I am neither... I believe my own way.

But he is starting fights all over the place for no apparant reason... either hes just causing problems or he does not like Christmas. -- Truth

[JohnnyWolf]

I'm not going to get into the religion debate, as I'm a believer that we should never try to change or force out views on others. But here is my response to everything else:

I just re-read my last entry, and I realized that I was being a bit too harsh. Don't go out and quit your job. It's okay.

The sad, unfortunate truth is that normal guys that have good futures and careers cannot simply dress like a rockstar on weekends and get laid like rockstars. It's a balance and a trade off. I think "The Game" by Neil Strauss is really to blame. The good thing about the book is that it inspired us to become great, and it showed that we can become amazing with women no matter how much of a loser we were to start with.

But maybe it inspired us a little too much...maybe it was a bit exaggerated, and maybe, we're not all meant to be gods with women.

To become a master pick up artist, you need to make a lot of sacrifices. Personally I got fired from a cushy white collar corporate job with an amazing company, got into $8,000 worth of debt, got rid of all of my friends, did things that made my family upset and worried, ruined any chance of ever living an anonymous life or becoming a politician, risked my safety, and basically sacrificed my total sense of self to develop a new improved persona.

Was it worth it? I'm not sure....

Yes, I got laid a lot and had some really amazing experiences that I otherwise may not have. Without game I never would have pulled off the threesome, slept with porn stars, had as many same night lays, or even had sex with as many white girls and girls outside of my ethnicity. But was it actually worth it?

Now that I understand women, and can analyze what someone is doing right and wrong, I get it. But often its really not worth it. In the beginning getting laid was worth whatever it took. But after you've done it so many times, you start asking yourself, is a one night stand really worth my time and energy? Do I really want to spend the next 5 hours gaming her just so we can have 30 minutes of sex. It's hard to explain, but it's kind of like climbing mount everest, the first time you'll do anything to do it, no matter how hard it is or how long it takes. But after you've done it three times, climbing it is just hard work and energy.

So if you actually enjoy the climbing part of the journey then yes, it is worth it. But if you're like me and you actually hate going to night clubs, you don't like to dance or even drink, and you would rather be at your friends house cooking dinner or playing board games, then maybe its not worth it. If you enjoy going to nightclubs and bars, then maybe getting good at pick up is right for you, since it's somewhere you want to be anyways.

But for me personally, if I could do it all over again, I would have just gotten good enough to get girls once in a while. I would have read one book instead of 50, and I would have taken one bootcamp instead of 4. But then again, its easy to say now, looking back, hindsight is always as clear as 20/20 vision. But fuck it, I made it this far, and I'm quite happy with my life and my achievements, so maybe it was good to aim high. So my advice to everyone reading this is, the only thing we know, is that we don't know...aim for happiness, whatever that may be, just don't assume happiness is the same as greatness, it's not.

[azazels_wolf]

The sad, unfortunate truth is that normal guys that have good futures and careers cannot simply dress like a rockstar on weekends and get laid like rockstars. It's a balance and a trade off.


But there are people on this very forum who do this. Why consider it impossible?



Now that I understand women, and can analyze what someone is doing right and wrong, I get it. But often its really not worth it. In the beginning getting laid was worth whatever it took. But after you've done it so many times, you start asking yourself, is a one night stand really worth my time and energy? Do I really want to spend the next 5 hours gaming her just so we can have 30 minutes of sex.


But game doesn't have to be about 30 minutes of sex in a same-night lay. That's a choice.



But if you're like me and you actually hate going to night clubs, you don't like to dance or even drink, and you would rather be at your friends house cooking dinner or playing board games, then maybe its not worth it. If you enjoy going to nightclubs and bars, then maybe getting good at pick up is right for you, since it's somewhere you want to be anyways.


But game isn't just relegated to nightclubs and bars. That's a choice too.



So my advice to everyone reading this is, the only thing we know, is that we don't know...aim for happiness, whatever that may be, just don't assume happiness is the same as greatness, it's not.

That is well said, and indeed something to remember.

[acesulfamek]

That's a really great post Johnny. I'm leaning towards your perspective more than the original poster. Social adaptability is an important quality, and most girls I know appreciate a guy that can be many things at once: who can wow their friends, their co-workers at the office and their respectable church going parents.

If girls can dress formally for the office, hospital, school, university, or wherever they work, then dress like a saucy little minx on the weekends, then I don't see why men can't do the same and still achieve a high level of success in all areas of their lives include pickup.

[Dale]

I have a tattoo on the side of my throat and it ABSOLUTELY helps with pickup, in fact women frequently come over to touch it and look closer at it.

[Sincerelee]

The red lips on the side of Mystery's neck. Is that a tattoo?

[Dale]

The red lips on the side of Mystery's neck. Is that a tattoo?

The were decals. He ran out of them.

[JohnnyWolf]

When I originally wrote this post I didn't have any tattoos.

I've always wanted a tattoo, but never got one because I was afraid of not being able to get a job, have a good career, be judged by others, grow old and regret it, and that my parents would disown me.

With pick up...I've always been worried that I shouldn't offend the girl. I shouldn't go for the kiss, and that I should be a nice guy with women.

Reading "The Game", being in the Game for five years now, and changing my life style...I've finally said fuck it and started doing what I want, and I'll never look back.

Johnny Wolf now has tattoos =)

[Cool Fish]

That's awesome dude. I really want to get a few. Honestly my biggest worry is the artist messing up or not making it look as good as I envision it.

One tattoo I want to get is a necklace with a pendant on it that represents "valiant protector and defender" and I have a couple ideas for DHV stories to go with it.

I also want to get a few for my favorite sports teams. But again, I want to think of something original and not just the logo.

[freddie_of_swe]

the tattoos doesnt make the badboy a badboy, the badboy make the tattoo seem badboy

[RAMM]

I haven't read the whole thread.
I totally believe tha tattoos are very sexually attractive to women, some nice tattoos will add an inch to your cock. That's why I'm getting a few for myself.

And hey, if you don't do them on the neck and hands/wrists you can still do whatever job you like cuz then you can just wear a shirt to cover them up when need be so..

[The Silencer]

The biggest thing to know about tattoos is that they should be well thought out and meaningful. After all, you are gonna have em forever. As far as girls and tattoos go, they are a match made in heaven. Girls love em and not only do they give the badass image, they make for great conversation starters. I can not tell you how many girls have engaged me with the "What does that mean?" or "How many tattoos do you have?" The important thing to remember is that they will not get you laid--you have to do that on your own--but they will definitely improve your image and give the ladies a good reason to talk to you. Get a tattoo for yourself, not for picking up a lady. It adds to the overall demeanor you want to have anyway. You are cool because you are you--not pretending to be someone that's cool. The same goes for your tattoo.

[jadler]

JohnnyWolf you said it RIGHT!!!

If you want something, you have to go balls into it or get out of there. This applies whichever way you approach pick up.

I understand the comments about going halfway to keep up appearances for work and school. Social obligations are a huge part of building and keeping a PUA lifestyle running. Still though, if you are going into this at the level JW is suggesting, you need to really commit to it. I plan on being one of those people. I build A.I. computer programs and plan on getting a bio mechanical tattoo. The reason I would go for that is the symbolism. A.I. is a field that combines humanity's philosophy with humanity's machines. Not to mention that H.R. Giger also creates very metal art. (H.R. Giger is the artist I admire, plus I play metal guitar. The combo fits me very well.)

Anyway, about the whole body art or desecration thing. I say that if you are comfortable with it, then you should do it. Otherwise, it would be against your moral standing and you would be hypocritical to go ahead with it. After all, you create your own set of philosophical morals and boundaries. Nobody can create those for you or govern them against your will.

- peace out and good thread.

PS I am not going to argue any religion. I just read into the rest of the thread and I suppose I should have done that earlier. Sorry. Anyway I just never usually post here so I didn't realize how a thread can escalate here.

[JohnnyWolf]

I actually forgot this thread moved to fight club. But oh well, just read the first, and last page and skip all the nonsense fighting about religion in between.

Cool Fish - I recommend either drawing it out yourself or paying the tattoo artist to draw it out for you so you can see what it looks like. Most will draw or transfer it onto an ink transfer that they can press onto your body so you can see what it looks like on you. Some shops will even do it for free if you're serious.

Dale and The Silence are correct, tattoos definitely help with pick up. Girls will open you and ask what it means, or ask you how many other ones you have. I only have one visible on my right forearm, but I also have one on my upper left arm, one on my chest and a big piece on my back that no one can see unless I take my shirt off. It gives me a great excuse to work out and get in shape, and also to sexually escalate with girls by having them undress me in the middle of the club. Plus it's huge peacocking, every girl in the club notices and wants to talk.

However, if you're insecure, have poor body language and confidence, tattoos won't do anything for you. You need to work on all of that before hand. Read my blog from the start and you'll see that it's been a 10 year journey in pick up for me, and I've been thinking about getting a tattoo for the last 7.

[11.9%AFC]

remember that there are exceptions to every rule... personally i dont have a tattoo because i think its stupid to get something permanently written on my skin, however, i've seen amazing pickups from ppl with tats

[Sincerelee]

I will not get tatoos. So, as an alternative, I made leather arm bands and put tribal tatoos on them in gold. I will take a picture and post them for you to judge if they are uber cool or uber WoW.

[L.A. Tripp]

Johnny can correct me if I'm wrong . . . but I think the underlying point he was making is . . . don't be someone you're not.

Sincerelee, I'd like to see those.

[Sincerelee]

SUre, Tripp. Maybe we can market them on the web. We'll share a profit deal that is mutually benficial.

[djjj33]

if you can do it, you can do it in just a black t-shirt and jeans. peacocking helps, but it isn't necessary.

[Doc Mayer]

Johnny wolf. I love your honesty. I don't consider myself a master pick up artist but i think i'm pretty good. I have a tattoo on my forearm of an acoustic guitar, because that's what i do. I agree with you that you shouldn't dress a certain way, act a certain way, and DEFINITELY get a certain tattoo if it's not you. It's artificial; and the way that you represent it is artificial as well. Mystery's method is awesome and can definitely help your social life...but i hate to say that there are some things that CANNOT be taught. I think that becoming a successful PUA doesn't have as much to do with learning to be someone else, as much as it does with enhancing the person you already are. Sarge on.

[L.A. Tripp]

Who said anything about learning to be someone else?

How's PUAF been lately?