The Venusian Arts Q&A Sessions Vol4: Neo from The Venusian Arts (Finished)

[Matador]

Hello Gentlemen,

Let me introduce to you Neo. Neo is one of our instructors living in the Las Vegas area. I just finished doing toronto with him and he kicks ass. Neo is a prime example of someone who overcame his physical obstacles (he's actually a handsome guy, but on the short side) and has built a enticing social life for himself in vegas filled with quality women and friends. Even if he wasn't a PUA, I would still hang out with him...he's a just an all around cool guy period. Neo has been in the community for a couple of years and has worked bootcamps with myself, LD, Mystery.

[relics]

watch out for a bloke with the initials bg:)

[Neo]

Thanks for the introduction Matador. Vegas has been an extraordinary training grounds to experience the Game, and I'm happy to share my experience.

[ware_ru]

If you or one of the other VA instructors was faced with a girl who particularly interested you (like a supermodel or something), would you try to get her by trusting your unconscious competence, your natural skills developed through years of conscious training to get her, or would you use your conscious, highly tactical game because it is more consistent, and would leave less room for error?

More simply, is your unconscious game as consistent as your conscious/tactical game?

[JimSmith]

How do you tell a preselection DHV early on in set when you only have a small time window to convey it. How do you go into it right away?

[khenak]

how do you respond to amog when you yourself is a timid guy and do not like to hurt other people's feelings. It also seems like whenever I sarge, I get threathen constantly while my wing doesn't. Is it because of my body language that is causing this?

[Cedar]

...built a enticing social life for himself in vegas filled with quality women and friends...

I remember you from Navy Pier last July. Nothing like a round of shots followed by a fun house!! Good to see you're still with the crew.

I'd like to hear more about the life you chose after joining the community. Including your day job (if you have one) and the identity you convey when you're out being social.

Thanks!

[Slick]

What are the best ways to deal with AMOG's,
and if you can elaborate on your answers.

Slick

[blade]

Wassup Neo I'm on the short side too (5"6) but its not an issue

When a girl is not attracted to you on your nonverbals alone what ways do PERSONALLY try and get attraction???

What kind of stories do you tell in comfort and how did you come up with them????

Do you write out your stories???? and how do you memorize the stories in field.?????

[Bear]

Hi Neo,

1) Mystery often tells his DHV stories to the 'sets' he opens with stories such as the black nails and ex-stripper gf story where he smashes the windows in.

I have always wondered why would a 'set/group' listen to stories that contain personal information like those examples above? I find it a bit counter-intuitive to talk about an "ex-gf" the group has no idea who you are talking about, never seen, or never met. Keep in mind that I'm not exclusively nit-picking on these specific stories but just that they are the classic and first to come in mind when Mystery talks about DHV stories.

I understand that there are a multitude of reasons that outweigh these factors such as sucking them into your reality, controlling the conversational ratio, including DHV spikes, conveying your identity, creating comfort early on, etc.

But, I never understood why stories containing personal information such as your childhood stories (how tall are you? Mystery story) or the fact that you touched the Hollywood Sign helps spark attraction.

From a completely 'attraction' perspective (not comfort), why wouldn't general stories such as talking about what you saw on the news or something about a man having his car breaking down in Australia and walking 100 miles to survive (which has nothing to do with you at all except what you want to talk about in your reality) wouldn't work as well with personal stories above?

I would think it would have to do with something about setting comfort up, but never understood why it would create attraction as a DHV besides the reasons mentioned above?

Thanks.

[Enigma]

Hi Neo,

a simple question:
in your experience in bootcamps what are the biggest mistakes that beginners make and how do you fix them?

Thanks, Enigma

[Enigma]

Hi Neo,

a simple question:
in your experience in bootcamps what are the biggest mistakes that beginners make and how do you fix them?

Thanks, Enigma

Second question: what are the most frequent mistakes? :)

[Greystoke]

What can you do to maintain attraction in a long distance relationship with your LTR? Any advice you have successfully used? Anything to avoid?

G.

[Neo]

If you or one of the other VA instructors was faced with a girl who particularly interested you (like a supermodel or something), would you try to get her by trusting your unconscious competence, your natural skills developed through years of conscious training to get her, or would you use your conscious, highly tactical game because it is more consistent, and would leave less room for error?

More simply, is your unconscious game as consistent as your conscious/tactical game?
The answer to your first question is, both.

Depending on where you are in your game will determine how much you will trust to your uncouncious and how much you will have to be conciously focusing on and aware of to get your outcome.

For example, when I first started, I had really think about the basic rules and concepts, like not conveying interest off the bat. I had to focus on not leaning it, acting too interested and giving compliments. I would think about what phase I was in, and what should logically happen next, and maybe even the topics I was going to talk about. Now I can trust that my natural behaviors and stories that I tell will follow these principles automatically so I don't have to remain concious of these ideas. Because I'm not thinking about it, occassionaly I may accidently do something that would show interest or convey lower value, but you don't have to be perfect to win.

If I was gaming a woman I was particularily interested in, I would probably think conciously that I should play solid game. This means acting consistently with my knowledge and field experience of what works. I would leave the basics to my unconcious but I would incorporate any ideas or strategies that I think of on the spot. Since I am conciously strategizing (ie. escalate slowly, stop first, solid TB, etc), I can increase the odds of my outcome, and make better more consistent decisions than if I was just going completely by habit and feeling in the moment.

So to answer your second question, I'm not sure my unconcious game is as good as my concious game to the extent that some of the things I have learned have not become habitual behavior patterns that will ultimately improve my ability to achieve my outcome, but my unconcious game is definitely good enough to consistently get me great results.

[Neo]

How do you tell a preselection DHV early on in set when you only have a small time window to convey it. How do you go into it right away?
Well, there are unlimited ways if you are creative. You could reference any article on yourself as something a quality woman in your life gave you, you could reference something she is wearing with something a woman in your life has, enjoys, does, etc. You could show pictures of you with women, or tell an interesting story that includes you and another or many other women in it. You could refer to a story that a female friend of yours told you. As you can see, we can find any number of reasons to bring light to the fact that women are a natural and ordinary part of your world. The real art comes in saying it in a way where you are not bragging for the sake of bragging.

[Neo]

how do you respond to amog when you yourself is a timid guy and do not like to hurt other people's feelings. It also seems like whenever I sarge, I get threathen constantly while my wing doesn't. Is it because of my body language that is causing this?
Mystery and the Venusian Arts team has always advocated befriending other males in any set. Have a drink with the guys, offer them compliments, act interested in them, etc. If an AMOG has come for your girl and is persistent, you can always adjust the body language of yourself and others to IOD the AMOG subtley. Generally it's best if you maintain the attention of the girl or set and allow as little time as possible for the AMOG to run game. If you are getting threatened in public by other males, then perhaps you are not using this strategy, or something in your body language or stories or initial approach is coming across offensively. The best way to determine this for you would be to attend a Venusian Arts workshop where a professional instructor can guage your body language and approach.

[Neo]

Wassup Neo I'm on the short side too (5"6) but its not an issue

When a girl is not attracted to you on your nonverbals alone what ways do PERSONALLY try and get attraction???

What kind of stories do you tell in comfort and how did you come up with them????

Do you write out your stories???? and how do you memorize the stories in field.?????
Well Blade, it's been my experience that being short does not set off any major attraction switches in the mind of many gorgeous females. I find that going in indirect, and demonstrating my value and systematically hitting the major attraction switches is a great combination with good nonverbals. It helps to have a strong identity where other attraction switches that accentuate your survival value are implied. My comfort stories are stories about my life or directly related to my identity. Have I taken the time to write down some key words to remind of stories? Sure I have. When I tell a great story to my friends or others, I make a note using keywords. I don't write the story in it's entirety, since it's my story, I already know all the details. I do keep my stories brief however, and focus on not including DLV's and accentuating the DHV's and this is something that becomes habitual with practice.

[Neo]

Hi Neo,

a simple question:
in your experience in bootcamps what are the biggest mistakes that beginners make and how do you fix them?

Thanks, Enigma
The biggest and most frequent mistakes are generally those of body language and keeping a conversation going. Many are naturally inclined to walk up to sets in a way that causes them to be viewed as tentative, low value, permission seeking, or timid. This makes it difficult to grab and maintain the attention of a group, much less practice or run any material that you might want to use. Once in set, many students forget what they where going to say, give up and end the set instead of plowing forward to see if they can get into solid rapport with their Target.

[Surreal Satyr]

Hi Neo,


I´ve been opening and entering A2 and sometimes A3 sucessfully.
My stack is organized in such way

a) Small Opener, no DHVs ...gets them talking - 15 seconds
b) Opener Story, has DHVs ...gets them talking and intrigued - 45 seconds
c) Story 1 part1, has DHVs ...monologue - 60 seconds
d) Story 2, has DHVs ...gets them talking - 60 seconds
e) Story 1 part2, has DHVs and BT ...gets them laughing by the end - 30 seconds
f) Start A3.....

I know that other aspects (as group theory, non-verbals and negs) play hard core when you want to create Attention from the group and Tension from the target... but thats not the question here.

I would like you to answer me:
1)- Just by looking at my stack summary : Is there a better way I should organize my verbal stack in order to generate more Attraction and Attention ?

2)- Do you think I should aim for shorter stories... but in bigger number?
Like....3 or 4 stories 30 second-long, and 1 story 60 second-long, instead of my actual 45 secs + 90 secs + 60 secs.

3)- Do you think active multiple threading is ok ? (active = not waiting them to start new thread, by subtly or unexpectedly changing the thread. That means that DHV are delivered but the story itself never ends. This may be an open loop, but can look awkward too...what do you think ?)

4)- Do you think 60 seconds monologue is usually too long ? (this is actually my Story 1 part1.... I activelly multiple thread it cuz:
> by 60 seconds I gave this Story´s main DHVs
> its an action-story ... if I told it from beginning to end it would mean 1:30 of silent girls, no feedback --> I feel like its a DLV and/or IOI, talking that much without feedback from people I just met.
> the whole 1:30 story does not buy temperature or get them talking about untill the very last second (in part2), so their attention used to fade.

5)- Do you think some Interactivity (buying temperature and getting them engaged talking) is essential for A2 OR do the most advanced guys just need to tell DHV stories and yet it works ?
Im asking this cuz sometimes, even if I give them a bunch of DHVs, they will leave me just as if Im a commom guy... and with this Interactivity stuff they leave less often.


6)- DELIVERY QUESTION:
With time I saw that I have two natural kinds of delivery which I can force.
> "Windsor one" : impecable, calm and thoughtful expressions, relaxed, few moves and gestures, with posture, slow pace, regular rhythm, small pitch and volume variations... looks a bit serious and "older", smiles comes polite yet warm. Feels like someone really secure, someone with decision.
Reminds me of Mystery on the beginning of the 1st of his 5 DVDs.
> "Dave Lee Roth one" : enthusiastic, theatrical and playful expressions, energetic, more moves and gestures, louder voice, faster pace, off-beat rhythm, pitch and volume vary greatly.... looks more adventurous and "younger", laughs come out loud and osmetimes uncontrolable. Feels like someone having a good time. It buys temperature since I look like Im buying temperature.
Reminds me of Mystery in the 4th DVD telling the story about his 14-year old niece.

Problem is:
Windsor one buy less temperature... is less stimulant. And may look out of context in a social gathering, nightclubs, bars.
Dave Lee Roth one demands me energy and state... generates more vibing but may look quiet unnatural if done out of state or dancing monkey if not done correctly. If I dont throw them in this stimulant state the DLR delivery can be affected.
It seens impossible to maintain DLR one going out 4 nights a week, as I do.

Questions are:
- Is there one of the two that you can point as better for A1 and A2 ???
- Do I need to choose them accordingly to the set energy levels ???
- If I see a energized set, but Im not in a energized state to deliver DLR one, should I force it nonetheless or give them my calmer Windsor version ???


7)- Last question:
Most advanced guys say delivery must be slow pace and gestures should be avoided.... YET , in the free VA video, Mystery when telling the "fight outside" story to a 3-set does it in a really FAST pace and with LOTS of gestures. The story takes only 30 seconds.
Please, explain me why. These contradictory informations make me confuse on what to follow.



Thanx for reading this enormous post!!!!!
Surreal, Rio, Brazil.

[FruitMaster]

Hi Mr. Neo

I have some game questions that I would like to ask.

Firstly, when it comes to total social retard newbs who havent ever dated a girl in their lives, ie. the "nerds" who can't hold an interesting conversation with a hot babe even if their lives depended on it...

what do you recommend for these types?

secondly, approach anxiety. in all the bootcamps u've done, who were the shyest bunch of people that were totally petrified of women did u come across? how did you get them to approach?, or are they lost cases?

[Neo]

I remember you from Navy Pier last July. Nothing like a round of shots followed by a fun house!! Good to see you're still with the crew.

I'd like to hear more about the life you chose after joining the community. Including your day job (if you have one) and the identity you convey when you're out being social.

Thanks!
Most of us have different facets of our identity, and which aspects I am going to focus on in different social situations will depend on what type of identity I believe would be most rooted in my targets reality, and let that guide me as to which aspects of my identity I would focus on.

I consider everything that composes my identity - the types of businesses I'm in, past careers, ethnic background, where I was raised, siblings, education, hobbies (ie. social dynamics, clubbing,etc), travel experience, interests (morphology, fitness, nutrition,etc) and do my best to present things in a way that conveys value and interest quickly while staying congruent with the identity I've chosen. Since you don't know which facets of your identity will be most appealing, present many aspects quickly. Calibrate with practice to find and convey what your target perceives as the highest value aspects of your identity, while keeping in mind and conveying the basic attraction switches.

[Jay Money]

Hey NEO here's a situation I had and I have posted it in several forums already but I sort of realized I should have asked this in a Q&A Forum but here it is...

hey I just recently got into the game and have I seen some wonders! Ive been running some game on some friends I have known for a long time and let me tell you its one of the greatest ways to practice, but nothing compares to learning when you crash and burn, it actually humbles you and when you finally close you look and say damn that was hella worth it. But besides all that boring stuff I wanted to know how to attack those "hired guns" as Mystery states. It's quite interesting I attempted to run the game on a 32 year old 9.5 HB at a party I was at.. keep in mind I am 19, I opened up with David D's Female opinion guy pay on first date.. worked like a charm.. i discover later on in A2 she was actually hired by FOX for the sake of promotion running bars enticing guys and girls to buy drinks or purchase several items, she's traveled the world, drives porsches for fun, and is basically hooked up in the world because of her connections.. I ran the cube test and she gets all smart saying things like "there's a cube in the middle of a field WTF i wouldn't really stare at it" someone else decided to play along and i gave them their analysis. I then proceed to try Style's Bar bet 5 wrong answer game, but then again she just bullshits me when I ask the question what state are we in, she'd say dumbass comments "like ure mom". I take her reaction to my questions as an IOI, I DLV her and she then proceeds to kiss me on the cheek. but soon after she starts bashing my gear i was wearing to peacock.. now is this whole situation an older hotter woman protecting herself or do i just need more experience in this area?

what is the best way to approach a hired gun?

[Greystoke]

How do you tell someone you dont' want to be her boyfriend?

How do you break up with a HB you've already f-closed but you are not interested in her anymore?

[FruitMaster]

.....


Prophet says:
That was beyond uncalled for.

We pride ourselves in being one of the few unmoderated seduction forums out there, but the Q&A sessions are a special case. You can mention TMM and spending your money there all you want, but flaming the guest speakers, who are devoting their time and energy to help the members of this community, will NOT be tolerated.

I remind everyone to read Matador's original post regarding the Q&A sessions:
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=827

I don't want to see this again.

[Trader]

..............

[Impulse]

....who the fuck are you again?


Anyways, Neo. My Q to U iz: Is it better to have a wing,
or to just go it alone? I've been at this for a
while.... by myself... and I'm curious.

Impulse

[Enigma]

Neo,

I always wonder: since the personality you convey is more important than the words you are saying, what does the content of the story matter? In theory the story should convey DHVs, BUT, a cool guy can make any story sound interesting(think a comedian). So, is the content really that important?

If I convey the right personality can't I just tell a story about how I went to the grocery store and bought some food and have the same effect as telling a story about how I went into a physical fight to save a close friend?

Thanks, Enigma

[Neo]

....who the fuck are you again?


Anyways, Neo. My Q to U iz: Is it better to have a wing,
or to just go it alone? I've been at this for a
while.... by myself... and I'm curious.

Impulse
That would depend on who your wing is and their motivation. I prefer to have a good wing with me when I go out for all the obvious benefits - like encouraging you, friendly competition, learning from each other, increasing your value in set, just fun to be around in general, etc. It can be a big benefit especially if you're new and your wing has more experience and can convey and demonstrate things to help you get past your personal sticking points.

However, some people have a weak attitude, are not open minded, are not willing to open sets, help you get blown out of set instead of increasing your value, are boring, or are so far behind that they may end up occupping too much of your time and diverting you from practicing and getting results. I'm not saying just ditch your wing if he sux, but you want to find other wings that you can learn from or puts you in the mood where socializing is fun. Find a wing that you have fun hanging with and who has the same intent as you when you go out. Don't let not having a wing stop you from going out and getting the opportunity for practice that you need. You're working on a skillset that allows you to befriend people wherever you go.

[Neo]

Hi Neo,

I´ve been opening and entering A2 and sometimes A3 sucessfully.
My stack is organized in such way

.......


I think most of you will have to learn the answers to these questions by getting enough field experience where you can socially calibrate to the responses of others. You'll know which of your material and delivery gets consistent attraction and know to just switch to another thread when you're losing interest or comfort. Multiple threading is a natural conversational element when people are in rapport. Through practice and calibration, this should become a natural part of your game.


5)- Do you think some Interactivity (buying temperature and getting them engaged talking) is essential for A2 OR do the most advanced guys just need to tell DHV stories and yet it works ?
Im asking this cuz sometimes, even if I give them a bunch of DHVs, they will leave me just as if Im a commom guy... and with this Interactivity stuff they leave less often.


Again, something you would want to calibrate to in each set. If the woman is not participating you want to continue conveying DHVs and keep the interaction going. I wouldn't talk so fast and continuisly that you don't give the other person a chance to get a word in edgewise. Ideally you would want the other person to be engaged and participating so it's more fun for both of you.


6)- DELIVERY QUESTION:
With time I saw that I have two natural kinds of delivery which I can force.
> "Windsor one" : impecable, calm and thoughtful expressions, relaxed, few moves and gestures, with posture, slow pace, regular rhythm, small pitch and volume variations... looks a bit serious and "older", smiles comes polite yet warm. Feels like someone really secure, someone with decision.
Reminds me of Mystery on the beginning of the 1st of his 5 DVDs.
> "Dave Lee Roth one" : enthusiastic, theatrical and playful expressions, energetic, more moves and gestures, louder voice, faster pace, off-beat rhythm, pitch and volume vary greatly.... looks more adventurous and "younger", laughs come out loud and osmetimes uncontrolable. Feels like

......

Problem is:
Windsor one buy less temperature... is less stimulant. And may look out of context in a social gathering, nightclubs, bars.
Dave Lee Roth one demands me energy and state... generates more vibing but may look quiet unnatural if done out of state or dancing monkey if not done correctly. If I dont throw them in this stimulant state the DLR delivery can be affected.
It seens impossible to maintain DLR one going out 4 nights a week, as I do.

Questions are:
- Is there one of the two that you can point as better for A1 and A2 ???
- Do I need to choose them accordingly to the set energy levels ???
- If I see a energized set, but Im not in a energized state to deliver DLR one, should I force it nonetheless or give them my calmer Windsor version ???


Calibration is key. Calibrate your energy to the set on approach. Generally speaking, your "David Lee Roth" persona is going to be more fun and outgoing, and will command attention in bar or club environments, wheras the "Windsor" persona maybe too calm, less appropriate for the environment and not able to generate attraction. This would be the opposite if your location was a library as opposed to a club.

Most often A1 and A2 will be more high energy, and you will reduce and calibrate your energy and excitement levels to your group or target as you move into comfort.

[Neo]

I always wonder: since the personality you convey is more important than the words you are saying, what does the content of the story matter? In theory the story should convey DHVs, BUT, a cool guy can make any story sound interesting(think a comedian). So, is the content really that important?

If I convey the right personality can't I just tell a story about how I went to the grocery store and bought some food and have the same effect as telling a story about how I went into a physical fight to save a close friend?


Content of the conversation can be pretty important. Think about telling a story about grocery shopping in general vs you grocery shopping. Both stories may be fun and intersting, however the personal story can also subtly convey aspects of your identity (thrifty or spendy shopper? healthy or sloppy? things you like, etc) which can really help someone feel they know you and builds deeper rapport.

[X-Press]

Hi, Neo! I have a couple of questions and would appreciate it if you would give me your feedback.

1) I've come across alot of information about the differences between the 3 stages or 9 phases. But what would you say that are key things to believe in and actions that must be present in all these phases or in life in general that bring the concepts of each phases together into a coherent piece?

2) In situations like workplaces, where you can attract someone in a more controlled way and spend much time together building comfort but without having successfully extracted for seduction, would you say that it's too late to seduce and we're in LJBF? She does have a BF and there is lack of compliance although attraction seems to be there.

Thanks in advance.

[JimSmith]

You said, "My comfort stories are stories about my life or directly related to my identity." I think ideally to get the girl and not have her flake is if you ground ur identity, and build a strong emotional connection with her passions, your flake rate decreases by far. It's because she feels like she understands you and knows who you are.

Big question, I wanted to make sure there wasn't more to it than what's already out there as common knowledge or what was in the VAH. How do you effectively convey/deliver your identity in the interaction?? Perhaps a personal example of yours would be helpful as a model.

[Enigma]

Neo,

which public person would you consider to be a good rolemodel for how to deliver the material? Any famous comedian, actor?

[Matador]

If you or one of the other VA instructors was faced with a girl who particularly interested you (like a supermodel or something), would you try to get her by trusting your unconscious competence, your natural skills developed through years of conscious training to get her, or would you use your conscious, highly tactical game because it is more consistent, and would leave less room for error?

More simply, is your unconscious game as consistent as your conscious/tactical game?

Hi Neo,

Allow me to chime in and give my two cents. Great question...i use the technical game as a balancing act...after so much practice and automation...i don't really think about my actions...i "feel" what the right thing to do is. Some people may not like this answer...I'm sorry...I don't make the rules in the universe...when you have practiced something so many times...it becomes part of who you are...you feel when to do the roll-offs...you feel when you need more A3...you feel when you're value is dropping...once you get to this level, where you are managing emotional undercurrents and can trust you're instincts...it is so stress free and so much more fun...I break the rules, Mystery breaks the rules...Lovedrop breaks the rules...but we have the rules to re-calibrate when necessary...today I played text message game girl who was pissed at me and said some pretty nasty things...rulebook wise, I should've IOD back, however, I knew she needed evidence of my bair bond with her...those were IOI's in disguise and I put myself self on the line, stood in her fire...took it...and A3'd the hell out of her blatently, brazenly, innocently...and it was exactly what she needed...I feel that by applying the model...going over each mistake...practice, practice, practice...you will get to this level and realize that we are not so special, complex, or unique that hollywood would have us believe...these days...I have no idea what I am going to do when I go into set...I just go...I hope this makes sense...it will to the more experienced practioners...to the newbies...continue with the model, but always trust you're instincts...if you're instincts are failing you, then rely on the model...but by appying it consistently...you're insticts will change and you will operate on an emotional level....I saw Mystery do some crazy shit that completely contradicted the model...but after explaining it to me...it made perfect sense...I took the PRINCIPLE...internalized it and it became one of my guides I use.

[ware_ru]

Hi Neo,

Allow me to chime in and give my two cents. Great question...i use the technical game as a balancing act...after so much practice and automation...i don't really think about my actions...i "feel" what the right thing to do is. Some people may not like this answer...I'm sorry...I don't make the rules in the universe...when you have practiced something so many times...it becomes part of who you are...you feel when to do the roll-offs...you feel when you need more A3...you feel when you're value is dropping...once you get to this level, where you are managing emotional undercurrents and can trust you're instincts...it is so stress free and so much more fun...I break the rules, Mystery breaks the rules...Lovedrop breaks the rules...but we have the rules to re-calibrate when necessary...today I played text message game girl who was pissed at me and said some pretty nasty things...rulebook wise, I should've IOD back, however, I knew she needed evidence of my bair bond with her...those were IOI's in disguise and I put myself self on the line, stood in her fire...took it...and A3'd the hell out of her blatently, brazenly, innocently...and it was exactly what she needed...I feel that by applying the model...going over each mistake...practice, practice, practice...you will get to this level and realize that we are not so special, complex, or unique that hollywood would have us believe...these days...I have no idea what I am going to do when I go into set...I just go...I hope this makes sense...it will to the more experienced practioners...to the newbies...continue with the model, but always trust you're instincts...if you're instincts are failing you, then rely on the model...but by appying it consistently...you're insticts will change and you will operate on an emotional level....I saw Mystery do some crazy shit that completely contradicted the model...but after explaining it to me...it made perfect sense...I took the PRINCIPLE...internalized it and it became one of my guides I use.

That's an awesome answer and I want to make sure I'm understand you right. When you "trust your instincts" - it's not a conscious process? When you were getting those text messages, were you consciously thinking to yourself along the lines of "these are IOI's in disguise" and respond accordingly, or did you just "feel" that you should respond a certain way and did so, and only in HINDSIGHT did you even bother to think about it and consciously realize that they were IOI's in disguise and thus should be rewarded, etc...

[Surreal Satyr]

Neo and Matador, thanx for the answers


I would like to know which were your biggest "Invisible sticking points", if there were any. Like: things you were not able to notice when you were less skilled - things which could have been changed much earlier, then making your skills develop faster.
Imagine that an insight or accident happens while you game, then you notice that for the last 4 months you were doing something wrong.... thats what Im talking about.

[Zippo]

Hee Neo,

Here a few questions about the new book of the venusian arts
(The Venusian Arts - The New Model, by Lovedrop)

1. When can I buy the book?
2. Will it be an E-book (VAH) or a paper version (MM)?
3. What are the major changes / new ideas we can find in the book?

I hope you can help me with this questions because I am very curious about the book.

[Matador]

Neo and Matador, thanx for the answers


I would like to know which were your biggest "Invisible sticking points", if there were any. Like: things you were not able to notice when you were less skilled - things which could have been changed much earlier, then making your skills develop faster.
Imagine that an insight or accident happens while you game, then you notice that for the last 4 months you were doing something wrong.... thats what Im talking about.

this will make a quantum leap in you're game.

1. Microcalibration Vs. Stacking
2. Slow down the rate at which you speak
3. Rolloffs on attraction spikes
4. contagious enthusiasm
5. feeling of entitlement (inner game)

[Matador]

That's an awesome answer and I want to make sure I'm understand you right. When you "trust your instincts" - it's not a conscious process? When you were getting those text messages, were you consciously thinking to yourself along the lines of "these are IOI's in disguise" and respond accordingly, or did you just "feel" that you should respond a certain way and did so, and only in HINDSIGHT did you even bother to think about it and consciously realize that they were IOI's in disguise and thus should be rewarded, etc...

no...i felt what to do which was consistent which the overarching principles of the model, but not the detailed play-by-play microcalibration response...the feeling was dictate by first being consciouly aware of the model, then after much practice, having it permeate in you're unconscious.

for exampling...when I am rifting...(ask nitro when we were on southbeach) and I am going off on various threads in a passionate, compelling manner...I feel like continuing, however, I logically know this can be exhausting for the audience...i also feel that a roll-off is necessary at distinct attraction spikes...this second feeling would never come into existence from my natural personality if I hadn't studied the model...make sense...they are both feelings, but one has manifested itself from a learned model reference point.

[ware_ru]

no...i felt what to do which was consistent which the overarching principles of the model, but not the detailed play-by-play microcalibration response...the feeling was dictate by first being consciouly aware of the model, then after much practice, having it permeate in you're unconscious.

for exampling...when I am rifting...(ask nitro when we were on southbeach) and I am going off on various threads in a passionate, compelling manner...I feel like continuing, however, I logically know this can be exhausting for the audience...i also feel that a roll-off is necessary at distinct attraction spikes...this second feeling would never come into existence from my natural personality if I hadn't studied the model...make sense...they are both feelings, but one has manifested itself from a learned model reference point.

Fucking nice. Thanks a lot man

[sting]

Hi Neo -

thanks for taking questions.

Multi-Threading. what exactly is it? where is it best used? whats a good way of developing my skills at it? and can you throw in an example of two of it being used?

cheers,
S.

[hyper]

Hey NEO, Hyper here:

I just got home from a FREGGIN LOUD VENUE. I tried all my openers and they were interesting but too long, and only one girl in the set could hear me (after having to peck). The girls in loud venues are def hotter but how do you go on about sarging them!??

thanks bro

[Surreal Satyr]

Hi,

Again, thanks for the answers, they are really useful


I would to like to know about your learning curve.

How much time did you spend sailing from AFC-Land to PUAville?
How many sets would you open in a daily or weekend basis?



Surreal.

[Enigma]

The dancing monkey:

You are talking in an enthusiastic way, trying to be expressive with your tonality and face, making big movements with your hands, etc... BUT... you can still fall into the dancing monkey trap. So, how do you be expressive and all without being the dancing monkey? Is there a simple rule? One thing I noticed, that guys who seem more dominant try to play the "cool" attitude which means:

-Move your hands, but don't move your body(keep it in an upright position)
-Don't move your head that much
-don't smile too much, be more dominant and serious
-be unreactive

Am I on the right way with this? Or what advice would you give?

Thx, Enigma

[Enigma]

While I was thinking about the dancing monkey thing, I remembered something.

A PUA once said, that when telling a joke you should be very expressive when presenting it but avoid laughing about it.

Maybe this is the key pattern: Be expressive but not reactive.

What do you think?

[Neo]

Hey NEO, Hyper here:

I just got home from a FREGGIN LOUD VENUE. I tried all my openers and they were interesting but too long, and only one girl in the set could hear me (after having to peck). The girls in loud venues are def hotter but how do you go on about sarging them!??

thanks bro

Good question Hyper. It can be frustrating to have issues opening and capturing the attention of sets in a loud environment. Some keys to focus on in a loud venue will be to come in as high value as possible with strong body language, projecting your voice (as opposed to screaming - if you don't know the difference google it), using more kino to communicate your IODs and IOIs, and keeping your material shorter so your target can understand what you're saying. When you first enter the venue, look for the quietest areas of the venue (most venues have at least 1 area that is quieter than the rest), and once you have interest you can move your target to this location and talk.

[Neo]

While I was thinking about the dancing monkey thing, I remembered something.

A PUA once said, that when telling a joke you should be very expressive when presenting it but avoid laughing about it.

Maybe this is the key pattern: Be expressive but not reactive.

What do you think?

It's good to avoid being the entertaining dancing monkey if you want to maintain high value. Laughing at your own jokes often causes your jokes to be percieved as less funny and you as lower value. Otherwise you'd see all professional comedians laughing at their own jokes.

Things that can make you seem like the dancing monkey include talking too fast, overly reacting to things the other person is doing or not doing, not being comfortable with any silences in the conversation or even delivering continous attraction material once you're in comfort and have established solid interest. So, slow down, be animated but not approval seeking, and avoid telling too many jokes or playing too many games in a row. Instead focus on finding commonalities, and conveying your identity once you have attraction.

[Neo]

Hi,

Again, thanks for the answers, they are really useful


I would to like to know about your learning curve.

How much time did you spend sailing from AFC-Land to PUAville?
How many sets would you open in a daily or weekend basis?



Surreal.

Of course after taking a bootcamp, my results went up dramatically right away, just based on the fact of opening more sets and understanding theory, and having a strategy helped me create a lot of opportunities to learn and succeed in a relatively short amount of time. Over the next 3 months, I went out at least 2-4 days a week and opened 8-12 sets per night, which accounted for more sets and new people than I had talked to in the previous 3 years. The fact that I was using a cheat sheet helped me to learn quickly and reminded me to practice and test a lot of material in a short amount of time to see what worked, what didn't and what felt the most congruent with my personality, style, and identity.

After about month 6 I noticed I had started to plateau. Many of the ideas, behaviors, and routines had become second nature and I've seen steady and incremental improvement since. There are definitely many exciting way points and rewards along the way to really understanding and incorporating social dynamics and the Venusian Arts into your lifestyle.

[Neo]

Hee Neo,

Here a few questions about the new book of the venusian arts
(The Venusian Arts - The New Model, by Lovedrop)

1. When can I buy the book?
2. Will it be an E-book (VAH) or a paper version (MM)?
3. What are the major changes / new ideas we can find in the book?

I hope you can help me with this questions because I am very curious about the book.

The Venusian Arts team is working hard on a new book and other great products. Although I can't confirm any release dates, I'm sure the team is going to make a big announcement regarding any new product releases.